Was given advice by an older guy, wanted to see what trp thought of it

DebonairD · 2018-10-14T15:36:26+00:00

Sounds like he’s full of good game. Remain friends with him

goblinboglin · 2018-10-14T17:49:41+00:00

The last one in edit - I think that's not entirely true. Women are known for having beta orbiters.

mrHappyPotatoe · 2018-10-14T19:12:46+00:00

He is not wrong. I believe everyone who interacts with women long and often enough develops red pill sense. Eventually.

But wverything in life is situational. It depends. The context is important.

And the thing about looks and money. Well you can translate these two as power or confidence.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-10-15T00:48:04+00:00

Old guy here:

True. Women will enter into an implicit, transactional sex-for-cash relationship with a beta bux, but he will pay through the nose.
Also true. Faint heart never fucked fair lady. Guys who wait around because they're too scared to make a move wind up in the FriendZone.
True. We say that hear all the time. Why? Because Women want LEADERS, not LOSERS. They want their man to be better than they are.
Not so much. Women want what other women want. If one woman finds you "sponge-worthy" (for you Seinfeld fans) that only increases your value. One of the best lays I ever had came about because the girl knew that I had fucked this other girl who was a stone fox. What you shouldn't do is get a reputation as a talker. Let them hear about your conquests from other girls. Protect their trust.
True. Do not over-invest. That leads to the FriendZone yet again. I allow one flake/change of plans and I don't make a big deal about it. Have Abundance Mentality
True. We are the hunters.
Not so much. There's a window of opportunity. Remember the Hamster cannot handle rejection.
Always assume attraction. Yes. Never find a reason for a girl not to fuck you; that's her job.

mrpoopistan · 2018-10-14T21:22:55+00:00

Let's address #7, which seems to be the big bone of contention here. The sub seems to dislike this one, but I'll take a bit of a slightly contrarian position. In my experience, a woman who's really in the bag for a guy will go through any bullshit to make it happen.

Where I think the OP's single-serving friend is missing a detail, though, is that the woman has to feel like she knows you before she'll actually behave like that.

Of the women I can remember sticking around for years without getting any love from me, they were mostly the ones who knew me just well enough to like me but not enough to know what my situation is. As much as TRP advocates juggling plates, I've never been able to do more than two at once and still maintain an actual life. This means there have been a fair number of women who got stuck playing a #3, #4 . . . etc role, putting them on the outside looking in.

The odd girl out always held a candle 4-evah.

No woman will hang around in that #3 slot unless she's convinced she knows you well enough that orbiting and being friends might get her somewhere eventually. And that requires that she knows you at least well enough to believe there's a connection there and the timing is just off. (Side note: it's not always game. Sometimes life does just happen to work out in dumb ways, which lends the situation some credibility.)

Of the ones who didn't know me that well but kept pining, they still were ones who saw me around occasionally. Drinking acquaintances, particularly.

I'll also note that the women from #2 on down always had a sadness to them. Even if they were unaware of who the #1 chick was or that it was even happening, they always were sad sacks about it. In fact, knowing the situation often made it easier for them to linger and hope for things to change.

You do need to at least make yourself familiar to a woman before she'll hang around. You don't really have to be all that familiar, but she at least needs to know you a little and have something to latch onto.

residentlifter · 2018-10-14T15:30:29+00:00

These are all things that TRP advocates.

opper-hombre1 · 2018-10-14T18:23:01+00:00

Thanks for dropping a summary of the sidebar

JW_2 · 2018-10-14T18:59:11+00:00

What do you guys think of #7?

failingtheturingtest · 2018-10-14T20:17:27+00:00

Two things.

Looks

He didn't mention looks because he's good looking. He doesn't think looks matter, because he hasn't been held back by looks. Women don't openly say "the only reason I gave you a chance to show your confidence and humour is because you are good looking".

Trump thinks that having millions of dollars gifted to him isn't what helped him become a multi millionaire. Everyone who HASN'T had millions of dollars gifted to them knows that is a game changer.

strike while the iron is hot.

It's true that sometimes women are are still into you if it takes you a while to figure it out. But we know they are ruled by emotions, and emotions change. Don't expect their desire today is the same tomorrow. If they are attracted and you don't make a move, they can just as easy assign you to a beta to save their own self-image. Then when you do realise and approach, you're pushed to orbiter because you're a beta in her eyes and beta validation is almost as good.

muffdivers · 2018-10-14T19:54:46+00:00

4 make a lot of sense. Women always talk, if your are known as the guy that will sleep with anyone, it shows you don’t have standards and lowers your SMV.

I like to go for quality not quantity. First off I am afraid of STIs, and second women will will more likely satisfy my kinks if they know I’m not a whore.

Nov51605 · 2018-10-14T19:23:30+00:00

excellent stuff - i guess the only thing ill take exception to is the assumption of attraction part insofar as the scenarios of such you described.

There are dinner whores who just like to live the life and have guys pay for stuff

chomponthebit · 2018-10-14T19:59:48+00:00

I don’t agree with 7. Timing is everything.

MisterRoid · 2018-10-14T20:09:29+00:00

To always assume attraction is a good rule. Even if she's only interested in keeping you as a beta friend, assuming she's into you and acting accordingly will save you valuable time.

chazthundergut · 2018-10-14T21:39:23+00:00

Women are attracted to all of those things. If he doesnt think women are attracted to looks and money as well he is a fool.
True.
True. You are the prize. If you aren't the prize, become the prize
Disagree. I am an incredibly easy lay. Most women in my social circles know I'm a slut and it has never cost me pussy yet. What you should not be is an easy committer. Fuck freely, but guard your time and your commitment carefully.
Agree.
Agree. You've got to make the move. Just grab your nuts and go for it.
Sometimes yes sometimes no. Usually if you dont take a shot she will label you as a beta who was too pussy to make a move.
Yes always assume attraction.

Incognito_famous · 2018-10-14T17:02:09+00:00

1 is really #1. Good call.

Chadster113 · 2018-10-14T17:14:35+00:00

Lol I don't get number 4

joner888 · 2018-10-14T19:32:37+00:00

Screenshooting and saving this in my notes

Insendi · 2018-10-14T20:56:46+00:00

Was his name Rollo?

[deleted] · 2018-10-15T04:07:45+00:00

is good looking guy

says looks don’t matter

Yeah totally makes sense 😂

achtung_b4by · 2018-10-14T21:54:56+00:00

What do you mean little crumbs?

Psychological_Radish · 2018-10-15T00:20:11+00:00

Women are attracted to three things: power, confidence and humor. Nowhere did he say looks or money.

Obviously those three are all vital factors, but women are visual creatures, too. They become sexually aroused by features that they find aesthetically pleasing, especially when they themselves are young and in their sexual prime. That's the whole point of lifting.

Don’t be an easy lay - basically he said he never wanted to be known in circles as the guy who the women talk about as an easy lay

This one I'm not sure about. Certainly don't devalue yourself by sleeping with whales when you can do better...that's the male version of sluttiness. But barring that, I've literally never heard a conversation like that take place.

If a woman is into you, and you don’t strike while the iron is hot or you are oblivious to her interest, if she’s truly into you she will still be interested when you figure out she was into you.

I think this depends on the SMV differential. A girl close to or maybe slightly above your own SMV is going to lose interest quickly. Attraction has an expiration date, and the female hamster will start rationalizing why you aren't fucking if she's put herself out there.

HurricaneHugues · 2018-10-15T00:20:32+00:00

" I’m not sure I agree with this one 100% because many women are too oblivious to see men interpret this as a signal and many women think single men and single women can be just friends."

Women are never oblivious. They know very well when the gut wants them.b They pretend not know, while benefiting from all the validation and desire.

ProFriendZoner · 2018-10-15T03:30:29+00:00

I know TRP frowns on this, but looks matter. The better looking you are the more validation she gets from friends and society, so don't ever downplay looks.

Morphs_ · 2018-10-15T06:36:46+00:00

#4 I'm interested in his reasoning.

In the past I used the Mystery style of not having sex on the first night (just sleeping, literally). The prime reason for me was that I was too anxious for sex anyway. Women were surprised by that and often hamstered it into appreciation even if they were horny.

But the problem is that this style also tends to lead into stronger feelings for the woman. So an FwB situation often turns into her catching feelings. Especially if it's an exclusive FwB situation (which was the case back then).

I guess that may be the reason why the guy has a gf. He's not into plating/having multiple women in his life.

Based on this I'd say he has the gaming part figured out, but may still a bit BP in the sense of having relationships.

Casanova-Quinn · 2018-10-15T17:42:44+00:00

Women are attracted to three things: power, confidence and humor. Nowhere did he say looks or money.

Women are attracted looks. Ok Cupid has data that shows that women rate 80% of men as below average looking. Money is attractive to a degree. Being broke is bad, being rich is a bonus. Humor alone isn't attractive. It's only attractive if the man is attractive. The fat clown doesn't get laid.

atticusfinch1973 · 2018-10-14T18:53:20+00:00

I'd say basically all those points are bang on as a fellow older dude.

Datanami · 2018-10-14T17:11:00+00:00

Humor is overrated though