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There are two types of affairs: Emotional and Physical.

I have had an ongoing physical affair with Shelly (Mormon mom) for the better part of four years. Since my divorce process has started, that physical affair has turned emotional over the past 3 months or so. She is clearly testing me as a branch. Just to give you an idea, for the past 6 months I have sex with Shelly at least once a week, sometimes multiple times a week.

I will go on record of saying that while both types of affairs are "game enders" in my book, the emotional affair is far more nefarious than the physical when you talk female -> male types of affairs. I would also argue that for any faggot noob who says his wife or LTR just had an emotional affair and it was never physical, you are sadly fucking mistaken.

Yesterday I had lunch with Shelly. We spent about two hours together eating seafood, have a few cocktails. She bought by they way, or should I say her husband did…Saw her later at school pickup…anyway I digress…

During our time together she revealed to me that over the past 6 months as we have spent more time together, fucking, etc. that she refuses to have oral sex with her husband anymore. They used to practice Shibari, and that has stopped as it disgusts her to submit to him like that now. She threw away all his ropes after she blamed their two dogs for chewing them up, which caused an argument in their home.

Shelly's husband works an 8-5 job. My job is remote, so we have all day to see each other if I want. She goes out of her way to let me know anytime he is going to be out of town overnight. We are very active sexual texters and we rarely go more than 24 hours w/o some form of communication.

Women want something to think about. If you are not giving your woman feelz and tingles, you can 100% be assured she is getting them somewhere else. Facebook, Buzzfeed, some guy like me…..SOMEWHERE.

The physical affair can be chalked up to so many things. A little hormones here some tequila there, but the emotional one, well that takes time, effort and commitment to keep that going. Which is why, if you want to be a cuck to a physical affair, whatever I suppose an argument can be made, but the emotional one you can never succumb to being a cuck to that kind.

Could a woman have a genuine physical only affair? Absolutely. I would say it is a snow balls chance in hell that she could have an emotional only one.

Yesterday Shelly told me things like:

I want to sleep with my head on your chest like the other day.

I want to curl up next to you where I feel safe and secure.

I treasure my time with you, all of it.

Shelly and I didn’t have sex yesterday, nor did we do anything very physical at all. But I decided to spend some time with her, which she and I greatly appreciated and I got some nice seafood and companionship.

Shelly is testing the branch, I can feel it. I can see it playing out in slow motion and it validates every single thing we talk about here.

So what is my point?

All I want to do with this post is show what it is like from the adulterer side of an affair, as so many of the people coming here for help are on the opposite (receiving) side.

All the men who come here, looking for answers on how to save their marriage, get their woman to love them, suck their dick and want to drain their balls…..

If you suspect or have proof of an affair, you have lost. Period, end of story. I can see it in her eyes. She hates being around her husband. She wants to vomit at the thought of making love to him, or even touching him. I have alpha widowed her and there is no going back. She is forever ruined and I forever ruined him.

Shelly asked me yesterday what I thought about her asking one of her friends to cover for her on a Saturday night so we could actually go out and do something like a "couple". I shot that idea down, and reminded her that as soon as other people know her risk exposure goes up, I am not officially and finally divorced, etc. What I didn’t tell her, was that I am not ready for that, I am not that stable of a branch. That’s the amoral part I suppose. I also don’t think I would want to LTR a cheater, but that is kind of hypocritical as I am a cheater as well I suppose…there is that hamster…..

When you call your wife/LTR - do you have your own ringtone? Shelly's husband does. That way she knows it is him, and she can either answer and lie as to what she is doing, or send him to VM. Shelly has incredible OPSEC on her phone. I should know, I set it up for her.

Shelly's BB husband doesn’t know her password, has no TouchID on her phone. Doesn’t know her FB password, nothing. Is it blind trust or stupidity? Trust but verify we say…

Is Shelly your wife? Is this story your wives? Do you think it is? How many of Shelly's behaviors does your wife have in common?

Her husband has his head so far deep in the sand. After our last sex encounter I sent Shelly home with a bruise on her ass from me slapping her ass so hard. A literal bruise in the shape of my index and middle finger. She wore it proudly and even told me when it was gone.

How in the fuck does her man not notice another mans handprint on his wives ass over the course of 3-4 days? What in the actual fuck?

Get your fucking head out of the sand. Everything you do, it has to be FOR YOU. NEVER FOR HER.

The game is over, and she has won when you start to live your life on her terms, and work to appease her.

I am an amoral fuck when it comes to this stuff. Red Pill is amoral. But I know what I want, and will not stop and never quit.

I hope this post pisses off some of you faggot noobs. For you vets, I hope it gives you a stark reminder as to why you have to always, 100% w/o question BE THE PRIZE.

I hope it feels like I hit you with a 2x4 in your face.

And let me tell you why.

I would rather get hit by a 2x4 in my face by a semi-anon internet stranger who gives half a single fuck about me, vs. be taken advantage of by an adulterer.


[–]gettingmymojobackMRP APPROVED53 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your post is doing a huge service to any of the noobs who bother to pay attention. Sometimes a 2x4 smack upside the head is what it takes to set a man back on the path towards self redemption.

Some will read it and think it doesn’t apply to them or their snowflake and bury their heads in the sand. Others will be filled with rage and anger at what they have allowed themselves to become and use it as fuel to ignite a fire within themselves.

When they want to skip a leg day they need to be reminded of stories like this. When they don’t want to do conditioning, or count macros, or meal prep, they need to remember your tale and hear “I fucked your bitch you fat mother fucker” faintly echoing in their ears.

Bitch slaps such as this are needed to wake them up from their beta slumber.

[–]AtlasCuckd3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take money

[–]redismyfuture34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to worry about being shelly's husband. Like freak the fuck out internally with the anxiety of her cheating. Then i learned that she's not mine, its just my turn. But really, I'm not hers, it's just her turn while she is still providing value.

6 months ago i would have been agast by this post, now...

Nice!Leave a hickey on her under boob next time and send her home.

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I think one of the more telling tidbits is the fact that she's a Mormon Mom. How telling is that women can be from strong conservative backgrounds where shame is still a strong tool and she can still rationalize being a slut for another mans cock. It's literally the definition of the hamster on the rationalization wheel.

Early out of college I moved to the North East, and started fucking around with a girl I later found out was a conservative jew. I could fuck her face and her ass, but she was saving her vagina because "she was still a good Jewish girl and wanted that for her future husband"

I'm catholic, and dated quite a few strong faith catholic girls who felt that confession could absolve just about any whorish and slutty thing they did with me.

Women have an uncanny ability to rationalize their own contradictory behavior in the face even their own supposed values.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Shelly has made an effort to denounce the mormon religion. She hates it.

She says she lost her virginity at 20. At 18 got caught playing around with a guy and was severely punished by her parents and the church.

Not that I care but her story has been 100% consistent since I first slept with her 4 years ago.

Six partners is all she claims and she even can tell me their names and years. Had to document it for the church IDK.

Again I dont give a fuck if 6 or 60 but I tend to believe her based off her skillset in bed.

I release her she says. Whatever that means.

And I know for sure I took her anal virginity. Took me 2 months to train her.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what's the story with Shelly's husband? Is he fat and out of shape, and a boring crawfish-brewing guy? Or is it more uber-beta, put my Mormon wife up on a pedestal that did it? I'm thinking both, but curious to get your take.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shellys husband is 12 years her senior. Mid 50’s.

After his first divorce he Red Pilled up a 28yo and just ran the same script of getting fat, bald and complacent. Almost immediately.

I think he had a plan at one time but we all know its about execution. I think the mid 30’s Shellys husband was an OK guy.

Shelly needed a “Dad” and he has done that for her. He views her more of a child and her a father than a wife and husband at this point.

Now he has no sex drive is 60# over weight and in a prime position to be divorce raped. So his head is in the sand.

I can see the look of defeat in his eyes. Has not lifted a weight in probably 20 years. Other than a few of his Harley buddies (who just come over to drink) he has no masculine hobbies at all.

He has his man cave, fantasy football league, etc.

I do not think the Mormon religion plays any bearing to this.

[–]becoming_alphaGrinding6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I first started reading your posts a year ago and heard about Shelly and her friend at the crawfish party, my hamster started spinning. I started wondering if I was Shelly's husband getting cucked and didn't know it. My wife's opsec is pretty low, I know all her passwords and can look at her location and search history. I've watched her searches go from every possible mental disorder she thought I might have to explain why I'm not a compliant beta anymore, to last week searching for sexual avoidant disorder and hypoactive sexual disorder. She's searching for answers at this point without any suggestion from me.

I've worked hard the last year and I'm the strongest I've ever been both physically and mentally. I'm leading my wife and my family better than I ever have, I'm owning my shit better than ever, and I'm more successful at work than I've ever been. I get IOIs I never noticed before and talk to everyone when I'm out of the house.

So, am I Shelly's husband? It's possible, but I don't think so. More importantly, it doesn't matter if I am. I would find out eventually, end it quickly, and move on to someone younger, hotter, and without the history of knowing me as a beta for a decade. Whatever happens, I'm going to be good.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have the same question as Steel. You can at least mentally thank him for the seafood.

[–]nester7923 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great post. I am personally in your same boat.

I met a woman at work 5 years ago and within a few months we started fucking. She told me she loved me just days before the sex. Women with emotional ties will fuck - it's almost a given.

What's funny is her husband looks alpha - he's big, built, worked construction, and has a doesn't give a fuck attitude. He quit his job because he "just didn't feel like working anymore".

Guess what? She feels like he treats her like shit and was hoping for a provider and someone she could find security in. She refuses to fuck him now. She recently got an IUD so I could have unprotected sex and finish inside her. She tells me she can't stand being around him and if it wasn't for the kids she'd leave.

Do I take care of her? I do to an extent. I give her a good time and I provide answers and support for her. She applies for a new job? I give her a good reference and make phone calls for her. She needs time to relax? I take her out for drinks (she pays for me more than 50% of the time).

Yes we all have to lift, be fit, don't give a fuck - but we have to provide stability and security too. No one wants to follow someone who can't lead and weather the storm. To her, her once exemplary husband is now an embarrassment where she won't even take him to parties now because he's an unemployed low expectation, no goals loser and she feels inferior to women who have men that have accomplishments.

It's just shocking and amazing how so many men get married and let themselves go. Married women are some of the easiest to get into a bed for this reason.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“It's just shocking and amazing how so many men get married and let themselves go.”

Yep. Somewhat due to the fact that we were brainwashed by Mr Disney to think that our commitment was enough and love is blind.. but mostly due to the fact that most men are pathetic losers... consumers of life as opposed to producers. It’s easy to be in the top 2% of the elite.

“Married women are some of the easiest to get into a bed for this reason.”

True Dat. So easy that even a little Beta Game can get you laid. Someone who just “gets them” and listens, a compliment or two, tell her she’s sexy, not a slob or social retard, a real fucking man, someone other than her fat fuck dad bob husband who she cleans his skid marked underwear at home, you’ll be balls deep quickly.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

great post, with one exception i'll get to.

highlight for me:

If you are not giving your woman feelz and tingles, you can 100% be assured she is getting them somewhere else. Facebook, Buzzfeed, some guy like me…..SOMEWHERE.

100% true. i would add romance novels and lifetime TV to the heavy hitters list.

the one argument i have with this post:

Could a woman have a genuine physical only affair? Absolutely. I would say it is a snow balls chance in hell that she could have an emotional only one.

male solipsism here. both women and men will hit the ONS itch. it's been my experience that every woman having a physical affair is also having an emotional affair; and is at minimum testing the branch. on the other hand, women can have emotional affairs without it being physical although this is usually because the man is too scared to jump (she's ripe for the taking). i've never had an emotional affair that wasn't precluded on sex - my dick to brain system seems to block this level of immersion without the dick down part.

[–]hystericalbonding13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women do indeed have emotional affairs with no prospect of physical. Online is a good example. The outcome is the same whether there's a prospect of sex or not - she builds a narrative based on being a victim of her husband in some way.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

she builds a narrative based on being a victim of her husband in some way

so i've read a few romance novels (opo research) and seen a few Lifetime moves (the horror). the villain is consistently a beta of some form. he's often mildly physically attractive but he has no game and no frame; worst of all he is BORING. she is a victim because she is betrothed or married to him; and she is repulsed by his beta seed.

the hero is a badass, or more accurately a "rake". of course, her hamster tells her it's best to go for the psychopath because she is special and will tame this alphafux into the female holy grail of aphabux.

contrast that to "male literature" where the villain is a badass psychopath that cannot be tamed or rationed with; but must be destroyed.

lesson - better to be bad than boring. best to be good with a hint of bad and not boring.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tim McGraws song “Real Good Man” is highly applicable IMHO.

[–]Frosteecat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One could also argue that the online or "digital only" affair is merely toe-dipping and acclimation/rationalization for the inevitable physical affair to follow. Some may stop at non-physical, but I wager many are using EA's as a practice run.

[–]codeofsilence16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I hate this post. Because you are right.

I lost long ago and I've been punched all the way to beta. I've been busy trying to lick her ass now for years.

Nothing works. Not even upping my game.

I am her husband. For all I know you are fucking my wife. Lord knows I'm not.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what you going to do about it champ, besides whine!

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Losers whine. Winners fuck the prom queen.

[–]TheBunk_TB0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The Rock?

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you cultivate actual options other than your wife and are therefore no longer needing her for validation suddenly she will become sexual for you.

[–]thesuccessfuldiva0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Go home and tear her clothes off and do her on the kitchen counter. Throw all the dishes on the floor. Make her feel irresistible.

[–]hidemyface1234Dreadful '1912 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he's as low value as he implies he might get a rape charge for trying to pretend alpha. Start with lifting.

[–]aherrns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh, keep on reading and follow the instructions here published. You can do it.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll15 points16 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

“If you are not giving your woman feelz and tingles, you can 100% be assured she is getting them somewhere else. ”

Damn right. Good reminder.

This entire post shows that married men have to always and continuously Game their wives ,more so than just some player PUA does..

The married man has so much more on the line- like that 3 way contract between him, her, and the state. He can’t afford not to learn Game to keep her attracted for the duration.

[–]gettingmymojobackMRP APPROVED18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I’ll add to the feelz comment:

A key takeaway is how much easier it is to generate those feelz once you are attractive vs when you are not. It’s practically easy mode. There’s a reason LIFT is always the number one rule.

If she’s physically repulsed by you, all the gaming in the world is not going to generate a single feel.

Put in the work and effort and you can see the switch flipped. Suddenly you can do no (or very little) wrong. I cringe thinking back to all my lame attempts when I was carrying a spare tire around.

Put in the work in the temple and the feelz generate themselves half the time. Any attempts at kino or flirting go from an “ugh, you’re a pervert” to “OH, you pervert!” which leads to walking away to the bedroom together.

Nothing ground breaking or new. Be attractive, don’t be unattractive and the game is so much easier.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Everything that attracts her to you is basically signs that you are fucking other women. That’s what gets them turned on. They would never admit that. But it’s true. Why dread works.

I just want a man who is confident. How does a man act like that- by fucking other women.

I just want a man who is good in bed. How does a man get like that- by fucking other women.

High SMV - he must must be fucking other women.

Dread - he must be fucking other women.

Cocky asshole and passes all my shit tests and doesn’t care what I think- must be fucking other women.

Doesn’t put my pussy on a pedestal- must be fucking other women.

Note to self: become attractive enough to be able to fuck other women.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Turned me on reading “fucking other women” so many times in one post.

No homo.

[–]weakandsensitive4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd add the word potential in there.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything that attracts her to you is basically signs that you are fucking other women. That’s what gets them turned on. They would never admit that. But it’s true. Why dread works.

We have a winner! Once I explained my newly written book on Dread Game to a couple I knew from High School. The girl was looking more and more horrified as I went through the levels. By level 5 she interrupted- "wait, so this is all to make the girl think you are cheating on her." I smiled at her: "If there was something- anything- else that a man could do to reactivate the passion in a long term relationship we would have found it by now. This is it. This is what works. This is the only thing that works."

She is a physician and very, very smart. She knew right away I was correct and could not argue the merits of Dread Game with me so, being a woman, she changed tactics.

"But is manipulative" she said.

"Yes, good of you to notice" I said, smiling broadly.

[–]Perfectinmyeyes1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wierd thing is I think your right, it's not even the - must be fucking other woman thing - it's he could be fucking other women. Meaning other women notice him and he has options even if he is with one person.

When I first met my wife she always mentioned how some other chick had come up to me to get to know me better and I just blew this other chick off.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Preselection.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably the most powerful single word in all of RP.

[–]ParaXiloin limbo of fuckarounditis8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I may have finally had that "ah ha" moment reading your comment.

Thanks for helping then fat piece of shit become self aware of where he's royally fucking up.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A bell rings in Heaven and an angel gets his wings when another man takes the red pill.

[–]bowhunter614 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best post I’ve read here in quite a while. Raw, unvarnished reality. You can either be Chad or be cucked in the context of marriage/LTR.

Be Chad. The tools to do so are all available to you here and in the gym. You just gotta be man enough to use them.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This. All of this.

If you ever doubt that RP is spot on regarding female nature, just fuck a married woman. The mask comes off almost entirely and you get the unfiltered truth. A few from my own experience:

  • Had a ONS with a married woman who called her husband within minutes of us having sex. She hadn't even cleaned the cum off of her yet and she's telling her husband how much she loves him (while making a face at me saying otherwise).

  • Back in college, had an engaged woman call her bf from my living room with "second thoughts" and said she needed time. Proceeded to fuck me and my roommate before calling him back and saying that she was dumb for ever doubting their future together. She hamstered it as something that happened while they were broken up and genuinely convinced herself that she didn't do anything wrong.

  • Current plate is a military wife, and while they have an open marriage, she makes no secret of the fact that she feels absolutely no attraction to her husband. He's "supportive" and "loving" and "such a great dad" but she just "doesn't feel that excitement" for him any more. I meet with her a couple times a month and she's openly admitted to doing things with me she'd never even think about with her husband.

[–]TopOccasion292 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

regarding female nature, just fuck a married woman

Truth. I'm still in shock to this day after fucking so many women in LTRs and Marriages. I took the pill and started gaming women who had boyfriends and after fucking these women i felt some type of way. RP takes the lens off and reality makes more sense than when you're blue pill. What irritates me is how they profess their love for their man before and after i fuck them good and rough.

The truth cannot be unlearned.

[–]TheBunk_TB1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jody!

[–]aherrns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She hamstered it as something that happened while they were broken up and genuinely convinced herself that she didn't do anything wrong.

This is amazing. The most rational woman will do this and think everything is fine.

[–]weakandsensitive21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you suspect or have proof of an affair, you have lost. Period, end of story. I can see it in her eyes. She hates being around her husband. She wants to vomit at the thought of making love to him, or even touching him. I have alpha widowed her and there is no going back. She is forever ruined and I forever ruined him.

Speaks to my favorite post I've ever written.

Good post. Every time you post, I ban more people.

[–]RedditsLibertarian2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why? They try to start arguments?

[–]j_arbuckle201211 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they're DEERing, ego-invested retards.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They jump in with Blue Pill nonsense and shaming without having read or understood the sidebar so W&S blows them back to the Stone Age.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

he emotional affair is far more nefarious than the physical when you talk female -> male types of affairs.

In your opinion, what's the minimum amount of interaction to qualify something as an emotional affair?

Physical affair is pretty easy to define. Where's the line where conversation, flirting, and banter becomes an emotional affair?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

When you start thinking / fantasizing about a future life with this person and/or you’re emotionally dependent on this person.

I have some really great male friends, true bros I have trusted with my life, never once felt like above about them.

That’s the difference between friendship and emotional affair.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's as good of a definition as there probably is.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

school of hard knocks

[–]Westernhagen0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

When you start thinking / fantasizing about a future life with this person and/or you’re emotionally dependent on this person.

This is true - and women can do this about men with whom they have no real-life interaction whatsoever.

Therefore, the minimum amount of interaction to qualify something as an emotional affair can actually be ZERO.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

women can do this about men with whom they have no real-life interaction whatsoever

as a tangent to this thought, i have learned in the last several years that women have a lot of fantasies that they say (or would not actually) do for reasons. rape or at a minimum a rough ravishing to cite one example thrown around the manosphere a lot . . . to which i think a lot of men falsely make the leap that women actually want to be raped.

i find this very intriguing because i have no fantasy that i would not willfully and gleefully execute. the only thing that limits my execution is either logistics or the potential consequences of being caught. i don't know if most men are this way; or i'm just a degenerate sociopath (to quote my BP fandom)

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. The rape thing is 100% real. Real fucking real.

The rougher the better. The harder the better. Never once have I ever had a woman tell me its to hard or to stop unless we were approaching pre-defined limits on something like choke play.

They love the rape fantasy because it absolves them of all responsibility of their choices.

Bad fuck? I was raped.

Great fuck? I was raped, used and abused.

Of the women I have bed in 2018 since my D started I would say 25% have overtly told me to rape them.

This is also an age specific thing. Less than 32yo. Older gals have not seen the rape memes apparently. But it is a universal fantasy of the 20’s thot.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

50 Shades of Gray normalized this for women today but "Bodice Rippers" and rape scenes in regular female novels where the "rapist" and the victim "fall in love" have been a staple for centuries. The fantasy is not being abused! The fantasy is being ravished against her will and then- because she is so special and amazing- she reforms this rough and bad man with her almighty magic hoo-hoo. This former rapist is now her slave.

Make no mistake. THAT is the fantasy.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not to get to rapey, but let's discuss rape.

first, let me state i have never raped a woman. from holding a gun to her head to Brett Kavanaugh, nope. closest i have ever come is having sex with my wife when she clearly wasn't interested (aka "every unhappy wife is a rape victim"). this is not to say i have not done a whole fuck ton of "rape play" with various women.

let's start with the definition. basically you're stealing her pussy based on actual or implied violence or she is otherwise in no position to consent and give you her pussy.

it's a slippery slope with knives at the bottom we men operate under. in all the literature the manosphere cites as rape, i would say it's not really rape but instead ravishment. the heroine knows her rapist and secretly or overtly pines for him. he finally initiates with force and even sometimes threatens harm, pushes through her LMR, and then she rapidly succumbs to her rapture and submits to him willfully. the key here is he is attractive; and in my opinion and the expressed opinion of many women this is not rape. of course, as the professor says the real point of these stories is the power of women to bring this alpha rogue/rake to heel as her alpha bux. tingles uber alles indeed.

so onto my own experience. beyond the normal pushing through LMR, physically forcing a woman (i'm already fucking) into a room/car ripping her clothes off all the time while she protest/laughs/smiles simultaneously , smacking, bondage, hair pulling, choking . . . i have two similar experience with two different women that really stand out.

one was long time ago and the other was last year with a ex-college GF plate. will call her R (married of course . . . ). we've known each other for over 30 years now, and were FWB all through college. super hot 5', 100 pounds little spinner. she trust me completely. so last year after we hooked back up and fucked a few times, she tells me "I want you to rape me". we already played rough, so i told her "i'd love to but if i'm going to force you to have sex with me you're really going to have to fight back, otherwise it's not rape". she says "i want you to rape me". i say "are there any rules, do you want a safeword". she says "no punching the face" and "blue". i say that goes both ways and don't kick me in the balls (pro-tip - she broke the rules).

so the day comes. i tell her to fully dress and be wearing jeans. i tell her as soon as the hotel room door closes it's on. i close the door (on a two room suite - that was a mistake). she immediately starts running around the room (laughing) so i have to catch her. i finally manage to get hold her and rip the front of her shirt open while she's writhing, kicking and punching me in the body. i'm trying to get her jeans unbuttoned when she punches me in the jaw as hard as she could. well fuck. i pick her up by her belt and neck and throw her into a wall being careful to make sure her body takes the impact and not her head. that seem to take the spunk out of her a little. picked her back up and drove her head into the corner of the room. sat on her chest and pulled her pants down to her ankle. flip her over and shoved her into the corner to elevate her ass. figured out i still got pants on. whipped of my belt and wrapped it around her arms and torso to tie her up. all the time she now screaming at me to stop and you motherfucker (i didn't hear "blue"). as soon as i got my dick in that all changed to "fuck me" "fuck me harder you motherfucking asshole".

my point in all this is that absent the real threat of real violence it ain't that easy to rape a bitch.

so when these women ask you rape them, are you just playing around, or are you really bringing the wood.

as an aside, she divorced her husband a few months later. she's now into the swinging lifestyle

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh IDK brother. Hard to say.

Its more of a feeling. When you start spending non sexual time and having non sexual conversations together then you are right there.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

minimum amount of interaction to qualify something as an emotional affair

1 day a week for a few minutes is enough. The affair is totally a creation of her mind. Once she starts imagining the other guy then she starts substituting that guy whenever you have sex- if you even do any more.

Later stages include constant phone guarding, combined with her face lighting up when she get's certain messages. When this happens it is time to see a lawyer and key-log her social media accounts.

[–]TheThirdT10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post but despite your public service most people only learn by experience or not at all.

[–]BirdManBrrrr7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women want something to think about. If you are not giving your woman feelz and tingles, you can 100% be assured she is getting them somewhere else. Facebook, Buzzfeed, some guy like me…..SOMEWHERE.

Pure truth, she'll go find it somewhere and not even realize she's doing it nor for what reasons.

For everyone who complains about their wife fingerfucking her phone constantly, guess what:

Her phone is more fun and interesting than you, up to and including girlfriends she's texting about how shitty you are and the dudes she's snapping her tits to when you're not paying attention.

Be attractive, don't be unattractive. And don't be boring.

[–]Bedtimeshine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don’t have complete access to your wife or gfs shit and youre ok with it under the guise “respecting her privacy,” you’re a schmuck. A woman in Love doesn’t want privacy.

[–]thunderbeyond1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe it was u/HumanSockPuppet who had one of the killer lines that had him both adored and hated. Can't remember how it went exactly but it was along the lines of:

"make sure you fuck your girl good, because if you don't, I will."

Love the post.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TLDR: Men who screw around and "cheat" physically are less likely to "fall out of love" than women who "cheat" emotionally. A woman's "Emotional Affair" is a bigger deal to a woman by far than a man's sexual tryst is to a man.

I also don’t think I would want to LTR a cheater

I won't judge but it made me laugh you calling the kettle black. Relationships that started by sneaking around and "cheating" rarely go long term cuz, you know. Both partners involved are lying cheaters.

How in the fuck does her man not notice another mans handprint on his wives ass over the course of 3-4 days? What in the actual fuck?

Because he doesn't see her ass over the course of 3-4 days. Probably 3-4 weeks.

Guys, if you have a wife like this follow the path of Dread Game and if she doesn't come around, leave and save yourself like this guy.

Is Shelly your wife? Is this story your wives? Do you think it is? How many of Shelly's behaviors does your wife have in common?

Actually quite a few! I am checking out her ass very closely when she gets home from now on.

[–]Redpillbrigade171 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A few years ago I was banging a married woman and she was at my house for an early morning session. Suddenly her iPhone rings and it’s her hubby. She had told him she went to the gym for an early workout. He’s like “why are you in [insert name of my small town]”, which was ~90 miles from their house, having used the track-my-iPhone feature on her. She yelled at him for interrupting her workout, concocted some quick lie and later when he pressured her more, she “admitted” she had been working on a secret bo-tox at this clinic in my town.

That aside - after that moment I soon decided never to mess around with married women again. Too much at stake for a lay, and don’t want some mad dude showing up with a 12 gauge on my lawn.

You’re playing with fire in my book and am curious how you’ve decided the risk is worth taking.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh. Not much risk in my book. Been doing it for almost 4 years with her.

Plus Texas. I carry, blah, blah, blah.

[–]Sklavenmoral3 points4 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

With all due respect, I think it sounds like you're now in Shelly's frame. She's branch swinging... what are you going to do about that? Wife her up? Make her your new ONE?

[–]mindfulbutgutlessMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

have you read his posts recently? Mandy is his new one, Shelly is just grandfathered in./

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit that is fucked up to read in the third person.

But yeah, grandfathered in Shelly is.

🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]WontonSoup770 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Imagine spending time memorizing another mans love life (from the internet no less). How is that red pill? Fuck Mandy, fuck him and fuck you

[–]3legsbetterGrinding5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That escalated quickly.

[–]mindfulbutgutlessMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Why so mad bro? Post hit a little too close to home? It's ok, if you lift and sidebar you too can be like u/red-sfpplus

[–]WontonSoup774 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Well I haven’t missed a workout in 7 years (September 2011) - that’s 5 days + training for boxing 2x a week (1 rest day every Sunday). I’ll put my lifts up against anyone. I sound annoyed because I find it disgusting behavior fawning over another man. When I said fuck xyz, I literally meant stop worrying about other people and who they fuck and worry about yourself

[–]BarracudaRPMRP APPROVED / Dreadful '191 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

my lifts

I sound annoyed

I find it disgusting

I meant... stop worrying about other people

BRUH who's in who's frame now?

[–]WontonSoup772 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno “bruh” why don’t you tell me

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Unless you plan to post videos then STFU.

I posted a vid of 315x10 DL a while back. Why dont you start with a similar video and we can go from there.

7 years of consistent training. Should be easy for you.

I hide my name, not my mug shot or lifts behind a keyboard.

You can see exactly what I look like.

Been told I have a mean smirk to. 😎

[–]WontonSoup770 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I'm not posting a video - here is me 4 years ago deadlifting 405

https://imgur.com/a/Zyldgkh

My DL max is twice yours now ;)

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My current dead lift Max is almost 550 pounds. You’re telling me you’re pulling more than Eddie Hall? I also give zero fucks about what you pulled four years ago show me a recent video or shut the fuck up faggot.

[–]WontonSoup770 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not posting a video. You just tried bragging about a 310 deadlift and now you are acting mad. Regardless of what is being said here, I still lift more than you. Nice try attempting to call my bluff.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it is 315 by 10 consecutive reps man. Get it right.

Look, you have been lifting 3 years longer than me so hopefully you can lift more. I am happy you can! Plenty of room up here for us all.

You dont wanna post a video, thats cool Ill trust ya.

Lots of guy can lift more than me and have dry dicks.

Peace.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

....Deadlifting in gloves.

LOOOOOOOOOL.

[–]WontonSoup771 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your mother doesn’t like it when my hands are all calloused

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No but yours does.

Lighten up man. You are among people who DGAF here.

[–]mindfulbutgutlessMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

right?, at first i thought they were straps

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

at the risk of being gay, what's wrong with gloves?

[–]BryanW652 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're OK as long as you get a matching purse.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because they are gay is really the best reason I can give.

#1 poser tell is superfluous gear. Like a golfer with iron covers. You ski, right? Surely there's a skiing equivalent.

But mostly it's just nit picking this guy being a jackoff.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gloves help prevent bar slippage on DL which hinders grip strength gains.

I chalk non stop. Even on bench, curls, etc.

My hands get destroyed in the gym wo chalk.

Gloves are never allowed in comp. if you ever want to comp then you have to train how you comp.

Wrist straps are also gay on everything except heavy ass shrugs and BOR.

Man up, grab the bar. Sacrifice some of your skin to the knurling gods and let that shit rip.

Plus they are gay. Lol.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it sounds like you're now in Shelly's frame

??? What do you think frame is?

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I also don’t think I would want to LTR a cheater, but that is kind of hypocritical as I am a cheater as well I suppose…there is that hamster….

We'll see how this part plays out. That there is any thought of LTR is a problem unless he's prepared for her to fuck other men in the future.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But what does that have to do with frame?

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's that bit of doubt and uncertainty. It's not her frame, I agree, but it's a weakness in his own. He's rationalizing his emerging feelings because they don't fit his frame.

He'll probably come out on the right side of it. He probably won't end up in an LTR with her, but he's telling us that he hasn't closed that door completely.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lots of choices in life. Does it matter if you don't really care to decide?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is the score if I am looking for LTR, which I am not currently.

Mandy. 100k+ year job. HB7. Has a life doesn’t need me to take care of her. Fuck her how I want. Has three annoying fucking boys I hate and do not want to raise. Has a douchebag EXH that makes her life hell on purpose. More so since I started dating her.

Shelly. No job. No skill set. Trophy Wife HB9. Needs someone to take care of and guide her. Fuck her how I want. One little girl who has the same values I do and my kids do. A fat BB that she would likely divorce rape in the process. 100% owns her shit as a SAHM for years. Always at school working. Puts my EX to shame.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How does this contribute to rule zero for me or any others?

IDGAF about Shelly anymore. Liked the pool party closet story, but ok I get it you fuck bitches who are married.

What’s new? Maybe I’m missing the obvious here.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The post helps enlighten men about the true nature of women. That is the essence of Rule 0.

If it makes you angry you should figure out why.

I have read this 100 times or more so it is not a surprise. Wives LOVE to bait their husbands and titillate them so they can deny sex. It gives them a feeling of power and control. Wives who are fucking other men ALWAYS behave the same way. They have no shame about cleaning up or wiping the crusty cum off their face before talking to their husbands and expressing their "love" with a grimacing face because they are so angry they married a Beta male who cares more for them than he should and far, far more than she is worth.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like humblebrag more than anything else professor. If he don’t have nothin better than the 2 bitches at the pool party, why we just jerkin each other off.

I wanna see the bar raised no pun intended.

[–]thesuccessfuldiva0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Emotional affairs are more dangerous than physical. I have done both types unfortunately

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was exactly my experience with one of my girls.

I let my mind go romantic with her for a month

Learned that lesson too

[–]CaliEd2560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s two months old, but this is one of the best things I’ve ever read.

[–]dirtedev-5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Question:

Assuming you have no intention of making a LTR with this woman. Do you anonymously tip off her husband when you’re done with her?

Maybe once he’s confronted with the fact he’s a cuck, he will see the dark side and take the red pill?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

can't figure out why he would ever do this. who fucking cares if her husband takes the red pill?

also, husband may snap and give red a lead pill or three

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope, there is nothing in it for Red to expose her like that. Women aren't the enemy.

[–]dirtedev4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. Haven’t completely figured RP out yet.

[–]mindfulbutgutlessMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why bother?

[–]CasaDeFranco2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He will more than likely vector his anger toward the man and not his wife.

[–]j_arbuckle2012-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What moralistic bullshit are you snorting?

[–]biglybiglytremendous 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I am a newb fggt, but a woman. This is all very new to me, and I want to understand. Please don’t downvote me and then ignore because I am genuinely curious why you get married just so you can continue RPing? Is it for the social/economic power that marriage affords in particular circles? I earnestly don’t understand why you tie the knot just to spin outside of it. Can someone please explain?

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s telling me here (this sub is for men btw) why they shouldn’t be like Shelly’s husband. He’s not telling them to have an affair.

[–]wildnight98Well on his way0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

See the r/redpillwomen sub.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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