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I am a little over two years into my Red Pill journey and I feel like it's time to take stock. I think the Red Pill main sub quarantine has made my old account unusable for mobile, so I created a new one. But I guess creating a new identity for yourself every now and then is just a good thing.

I'm 47, married, wife 43, three kids 14, 13 and 6. (BTW, even though my English is pretty good, it is not my first language. There may be some weird phrases here and there, so bear with me.) Over the past two years, I have made a lot of progress in many areas in my life. I have read the sidebar, some books several times. I have also read plenty of other books on PUA, Stoicism, personal finance etc. For me, finding Audible was a game-changer. I highly recommend it. In general, I understand most of the central RP concepts and I can apply them relatively well to my own life.

I am lifting three times a week. In the summer, I went to the gym even more than that, up to six times a week, but during the busy working months three per week is the most I can do. (I also notice that 5 or 6 times a week is too much for me in terms of recovery). I'm not the most jacked guy but I'm doing good. I found a good PT, and now I work with him once a month, currently on my squat and deadlift technique (lots of back problems and small injuries in the past).

During the Christmas time last year, I understood I was building muscle but I still didn't look the way I wanted. Since the new year, I have become increasingly conscious about my diet. I dropped all sugar and decreased my overall carb intake. Since the summer, I have dropped most alcohol, now drinking only on occasional social events. Since the new year, I have lost 10 kg (that's 22 lb. for you Americans) and I was never that fat to start with. The veins are starting to pop as I am now approaching the low two-digit body fat. People are noticing.

An important part of my RP progress has been Buddhist meditation. I used to do it in my youth but then had a long, long break. Right after encountering Red Pill, I decided I needed to start doing it again. I am now meditating pretty much daily. In the summer, I attended a ten-day meditation retreat, something that I am going to make an annual tradition of. I think the most important thing meditation has brought me is a kind of a confidence in myself or a relaxation into being myself. This is something I have very much struggled in the past.

A rewarding single event for me was this year's summer holiday. I took my family to a slightly unusual foreign country for a total of 16 days. I initiated the whole thing and took care of most of the details, but I also sought input from my wife on some things. As an example, I let my wife and the eldest kid choose one of the accommodations from a few options on Airbnb pre-selected by me. Overall, the holiday was a perfect combination of luxury and adventure and the kids still talk about it pretty much every week. I have now started to plan the next summer's holiday, this time to a more urban environment, just to change things up a bit.

The things mentioned above are the good things. Things I have made considerable progress on. What are the not-so-good things or the things I still need to change?

I still constantly compare myself to other men. In a way, it is not always necessarily a bad thing to be inspired by others or to learn from others' example. But I feel I often do this comparing in an unhealthy way.

Even on this board, I feel that other men come here after me and in less than a year they are already banging their now suddenly hot and willing wife in the ass or, alternatively, their hot new girlfriend or, alternatively, both, while also attending powerlifting competitions over the weekends. I do realize this is not the whole truth, just a perception. And even if it were true, it is not my life nor is other men's success in any way my loss. I know I should rejoice in others' successes and sometimes I even manage to do so. But somehow it often also exposes this nagging feeling inside me of inferiority and not being enough.

Another challenge is that I am not a particularly fun guy at home. I often take things oh so seriously. It is kind of weird, since I can be fun with my friends and my colleagues and also goof around with my six-year old daughter. But something in my own approach to my home life and my marriage often drags me down. I really should lighten up and do more fun things by myself and with others.

Financially, I'm nowhere near where I would like to be. I feel somewhat stuck in my main profession. There are little opportunities for promotion or progress and I feel my heart is not in it anymore. I have managed to increase my yearly income a lot, but this is because of a couple of side hustles I am able to do. This, in turn, means that I often work long hours and on weekends. I'm kind of OK doing this, but at the moment I feel I don't have clear goals or a sense of going forward. And even more so, I don't have that much to show for all my efforts. What comes in, goes out, pretty much immediately.

I come from a childhood of financial struggles and somehow, I have not been able to rise above it. Even though I make a decent income, I still live pretty much hand-to-mouth. I have managed to transform my money into meaningful experiences, such as the summer holiday and the retreat mentioned above or the cool car I just bought. What I haven't done is transform money into security and a long-term vision. Also here, I feel that a lack of direction is a key factor. I kind of know what I'm supposed to do but I'm not doing it fully.

And then there's the sex. Things are much, much better than what they were a couple of years ago. I'm more relaxed in bed. If I want to fuck, I'll do it. Porn and masturbation are non-issues. But somehow, also here, I feel a bit stuck.

Currently, it is actually my wife, who does most of the initiating. She does like sex and sees its importance in our relationship and I have also managed to create some dread. However, she is also very vanilla and sensitive. And I'm a bit bored. I do fully know that it is my responsibility to change the situation and go for what I want. But, for the time being, it is not happening.

From what I have written above, I can see a pattern. All the things that mainly involve myself alone, are going well: the reading, the gym, the diet, other healthy habits, the meditation, the extra gigs I do to make extra money and so on. The ones that involve other people, like my main job, finances, sex, interacting with the family, I am somewhat struggling with or unable to reach for what I want. Or maybe even more so, that I have trouble even recognizing what it is that I want.

One of the most significant reads for me lately here on the forums has been this post by /u/skidsm where he writes how his life used to completely revolve around his wife and her swinging moods. My marriage is clearly not at all as extreme as what he describes, but, as a child of a narcissistic mother and an alcoholic father, my childhood sure was. I think I have built my whole existence and especially my personal relationships with others on being very clever in recognizing other people's needs and wants and then finding ways to fulfil them, sometimes even before they are aware of them themselves.

I am not referring to my childhood in order to blame others. Nor do I particularly want to keep dwelling in the past. But I do need to understand what has made me what I am in order to become what I want to be, whatever that is.

Another post in a way discussing the same theme was the recent post by Rollo, although he takes a more societal perspective on this. Here's a quote from his post:

"Red Pill thought emphasizes men disconnecting their sense of identity from a female-correct paradigm. In my own work I’ve stressed that the most important aspect of Red Pill awareness is men making themselves their Mental Point of Origin and this necessitates a realigning of oneself as his first priority. It’s easy to make declarations about how your self-worth begins and ends with you and that no woman can influence that image, and in a way that seems liberating. Like you’re taking at least that much authority back for yourself. But it’s another thing entirely to wrestle with a social order that’s now founded on a consolidated female-primary authority."

Over the past two years, I have become considerably more conscious of my own wants. I am taking time for myself to go to the gym and to do other things I like. In everyday situations, I can quite well pass shit tests and say either "no" or simply shrug away silly demands made upon me. I can do these things. But I also feel that I am still miles away from really, really recognizing and embracing my true wants, when they involve other people, when there are really things at stake.

If someone were to ask me now "what do you want?", with some consideration I would probably be able to come up with a pretty good answer, including various short-term and long-term goals. However, I feel that this answer would ultimately be a kind of a hoax: a well-formed conceptualization of things I feel are expected of me, are practical and sensible, are socially accepted.

One reason for my, in my own view, somewhat slow RP progress has also been the fact that things were actually pretty decent when I started. My bedroom was never dead, just a bit docile. My wife is not perfect but she was never a fat harpy cunt, either. I was certainly not alpha but I was never a total beta pushover either. I was not super fit but I have always been relatively slim and good-looking. I was no Chad but I have always been somewhat attractive to women. In a way, over the past two years I have now kind of maxed out most these characteristics in me.

And life is OK. It's not perfect nor awesome but I am content in many ways. I was talking to a good friend of mine recently and he said that most men he knows are a mess while I'm the most balanced and healthy person he knows. So, I am kind of balancing between accepting things as they are, with their small imperfections, and going for what is truly possible for me.

Perhaps you could say that I have now perfected the process of alpha-sprinkling. But have I really swallowed the pill? Probably not. If I want more, I need to do more. And "more" here certainly doesn't mean "more of the same." It means something that will help or even force me embrace my full power and capacity. What would it be? Getting a divorce? Getting a plate? Changing professions? Aiming for the powerlifting competition? Don't know yet. But I will find out at some point.


[–]headbangerJd13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This was a good read. In some way, it makes me understand that even after every improvement that I've made over the years, that I need to sit back and realize that there is still so much more to do. Consistent progress is my life goal. Right now that involves finishing college and a few key areas of my life. But consistent progress is something that will always be at the forefront. The goals will be attained and altered as needed, but I'm content when I'm progressing.

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not over until it's over. You're either moving forward or getting left behind...

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’ve said before that the MRP mountain is the toughest and tallest mountain to climb in all of Reddit nation.

Your post is all about reading the books, accumulating the gear, learning how to use it, and starting your ascent. You’ve reached the last plateau and there’s a lovely meadow there, overlooking some of the best vistas you’ve ever seen.

Still, the peak looms above you. You feel pretty good where you are at, but that peak, it really would be the pinnacle of your success. Pun intended. The views from there would be spectacular.

The problem is, the last part of the climb, the last 20%, would be as hard as it was to get to this last plateau, and take as long or longer. Would it be worth it? Many have said so, and you know no one who has said otherwise. But it’s so much work..

You’ve reached the top of mediocrity. You are on the plateau of good, facing the last 20% between you and greatness.

After 2 years, you know what to do. You’ve already seen success with what you have learned. So now you have to decide what you want. Do you want more top tier mediocrity? Or excellence...

Your only problem is drive and commitment. You have reasons to be tired. You have reasons to settle. You have reasons to not climb all the way to the top.

BUT YOU HAVE NO FUCKING EXCUSE NOT TO GO ALL THE WAY.

I’m 56 years old. In the last 5 years I have lost both my parents to old age, one of my sons to a car accident, my wife to hypergamy, and 5 days ago received a medical diagnosis that reduced me to tears in the doctor’s office.

Life has knocked my ass down the mountain some. In 2 months I’ll join you on that plateau. Or hope I see the grass growing through the fire ring you left and see your ass climbing to the top.

If you’re still there, I’ll talk to you and encourage you while I take stock of my gear and get ready for MY final ascent.

Either way, it’s time for you to...

GET TO FUCKING WORK.

Because you can bet your complacent ass,

I AM.

[–]gvntrGrinding, 60+1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fuckin' beautiful post.

[–]Poopsmacksem0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes sir.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was beautiful. Thank you. I might meet you on the plateau but I suspect, by then, I have already left to continue upwards. But maybe our paths will cross at some point.

[–]hystericalbonding7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've nicely summarized how people become unhappy when using social media, focusing on the distilled highlight reels of people's lives. None of that shit matters.

I really should lighten up and do more fun things by myself and with others.

This is a related problem. As /u/weakandsensitive said, it's not an issue of needing to do more, but an issue of finding joy in life as you live it. You are undoubtedly familiar with these concepts from your meditation retreats. These ideas are as old as time, repackaged in philosophy (eg. stoicism,) reinforced by psychology (eg. Thinking Fast and Slow).

The SJW Outrage Olympics are full of people saying that you have no right to complain because other people have it worse. It's absurd. It's like saying that you have no right to be happy because other people have it better.... But that is exactly what you're doing! Even worse, it's not people's real lives that you're comparing against, but only the highlight reels. You can't use other people as your metric for success.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, I like this post. A lot of times you see guys make some quick wins, go Rambo, turn it around, and start getting the outcomes that they want.

Sometimes people need a lot of unfucking to get to where they need to be, or even make progress. R316 comes to mind. But here progress is being made, even if its slow.

And I bet life being "OK" is far preferable to where you started.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue is you never had that event that made you really step back and have that oh fuck moment - dead bedroom, wife cheating, etc.

You lack the pain and self motivation to drastically change your mindset and who you are. I’m 7 months in and all I get is comments from the wife, family and friends that I’ve changed - silly wife tells me she’s adjusting to the new me that’s how drastic the change has been. The woman I’ve been with for 16 years sometimes says she doesn’t know who I am or what happened. I honestly think if your wife has never called you an asshole you are not really doing MRP - has she?

My guess is you never hit the anger phase. Sometimes that anger is the fuel you need to make real change. It’s not easy for a person to change who they are and unwind a lifetime of programming - especially when things seem “okay”.

Your wife isn’t stepping up because you haven’t become a man that warrants that. You are doing all of the comfortable and easy things - ask me how I know. If you want something go for it, take it, push those boundaries - whether it’s sex, work or anything.

If you keep doing what you have always done, you will get what you always got.

[–]Peter_B_Long3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What would it be? Getting a divorce? Getting a plate? Changing professions? Aiming for the powerlifting competition? Don't know yet. But I will find out at some point.

That's entirely up to you. None of us can tell you what dream you should pursue. But, based on what I've read, I have to stress that by taking responsibility for everything in your life, you'll significantly start seeing (more) changes in your life.

Vanilla sex? That's your fault for choosing your wife or for not setting the impression and boundary that boring sex is unacceptable.You mention that everything that is under your control is going well, but everything that involves others is mediocre. This is still your fault. YOU choose who you want to be around. YOU choose the job you have. If you don't like something, YOU have the power to change it.I'm not saying to take blame for others mistakes, but just ask yourself what you can do now to change the things you don't like or what else you can do to improve.

I recommend you start listening to Gary Vaynerchuk. Check him out no youtube. He'll give you the slap on the face you need to continue improving your life.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gary Vaynerchuk

I follow him on LinkedIn. Dude is my spirit animal.

[–]Peter_B_Long0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I follow him on IG and I listen to his youtube videos every day. Inspirational and a huge slap to the face. He makes me ask myself if I could spend more time working and less time wasting.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree with you. But, for the most part, you are kind of stating the obvious. Of course, it is my responsibility to change my lackluster sex life or my unsatisfactory career. And those questions were not exactly addressed to you. But I think I would actually benefit from spending more time discussing with others, rather than reading my books and meditating my navel.

I'm actually a big fan of Gary Vaynerchuck. I used to watch one specific talk by him over and over again, because it was so energizing. Haven't checked him out in a while, though. I'll definitely do it.

[–]markpf733 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t ever discount what stirs envy or jealousy in you by others. It is a good identifier of areas in your life or personality that need work.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a very good point. I need to remember this. Even the uncomfortable feelings have a function and can be utilized, if one wants to work on oneself.

[–]470_2_700_nm3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

“Currently, it is actually my wife, who does most of the initiating.” Others here might call you a faggot on this one. They wouldn’t be wrong.

I see this as your biggest problem. Don’t fucking walk through life waiting for things to happen, but you know... you already know this.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what? I think you hit the nail on the head here. This is my main problem. I am very good at ceasing opportunities but I struggle to be the center of my own universe. This I need to change, in all areas of my life. Thank you.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The answer to your post was the recent “Status Quo” post by Red. You’ve gotten similar responses in large on this post. So what you going to do about it champ?

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have indeed gotten some very good responses. It will take some time to digest it all.

The description by /u/matrixtospartanatLV felt quite accurate: I have put in a lot of work and achieved a certain level. Nobody will push me to go further, except for myself. But I do know this will happen. I won't be happy if there is no sense of progression, similar to what /u/headbangerJd was saying.

I actually already took one big step forward yesterday: I applied for a job outside my own field I have been on for nearly twenty years now. This is one of the main moves I need to make now.

/u/Aechzen was asking about my MAP. I have done one in the past, but in a way, I have somewhat gotten off of it. The challenging areas for me are career, finances, sex and then the general fun attitude. The thing is, I have done a lot of work on these areas, as well, but I haven't done enough or gone far enough, yet.

I need to revisit my MAP and commit to it again. I need to define my goals and wants more clearly. I realize this sounds a bit abstract, but this is all I got at the moment.

I read the "Status Quo" post again. It is very good. In a way, I can trust the fact that, even if I don't always fully know what I want, I can just keep doing things that make me uncomfortable, things that make my wife uncomfortable and simply things I haven't done before.

[–]weakandsensitive9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you lack self worth and congruence.

It's the result of followings steps a-z and not focusing on making the mindset changes along the way. The ultimate dancing monkey.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. But I do dance pretty, don't I?

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you ever make a MAP for yourself?

It's kind of manosphere 101, and I'm worried you missed that step.

I had some very short term, short term, medium term, 10 years out, and 25 years out goals. I'm not willing to share all of it publicly, but PM me and I'll tell you some of what I'm going for. 2 years in, how are you doing toward those goals?

You didn't give much context about budget, but you did mention buying a car. If you're living hand-to-mouth and you just bought a fancy car, that's just dumb unless you have the kind of job where you can call the car a business expense and write it off (realtor, professional driver, etc.) Cars depreciate quickly, and it's worth a few thousand less as soon as you drive it off the lot. If you financed that car, you'll have even payments on a depreciating asset. Not a very good idea. My manhood is not tied up in what I drive. I buy used cars in cash, and drive them until something breaks bad enough that it's not worth fixing. Then I start over again with the next reasonably-priced used car I buy in cash.

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, I need to get back on my MAP. I'd appreciate you sharing yours. I will PM you.

Don't worry: My "new" car is actually a used car. However, it is fancier than the previous one, which I also bought used and drove until it was nearly falling apart. However, I have a big family and, where I live, cars are pretty expensive. I think I can make reasonable decisions concerning big purchases such as this, but since my overall budget is not in control, this does nevertheless put financial pressure on me. This is an area I have shitloads of more work to do.

[–]40mullet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One more thing to consider: I dont know your diet plan, are you cutting and then bulking, but if you lost 10kg in a 10 months, this is steady 300 kcal under TDEE a day and this is very hard for your body, mind and hormonal system. I know guys who had their testosterone checked after 10 month diet and it was zero. No sex drive, no drive at all. If this is the case and you are not on drugs, consider 3 months bulking fallowed by 3 months cutting.

[–]BarracudaRPMRP APPROVED / Dreadful '191 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good write up, I admire your honesty and detail.

Why aren't you posting in OYS? Two years is a long time. Are you putting off the next steps?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He’s posted in OYS a lot the first year under a very similar username

[–]HerukaArisen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not entirely sure if "a lot" is quite true, but I did post some. I have limited time for online discussions, so I stopped doing it. But I do remember your tough encouragement, Persaeus. Anyway, I think I should start doing OYS again, even if it were concise and once a month.

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