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When people look for leadership. One of the things they look for is the ability to maintain composure in the face of adversity. The ability to control emotions plays a big role in this. You are looking for someone who is in control at all times. Whether that emotion be anger, fear, or pain you expect them to be able to process their surroundings and make the right call every time. You are looking for someone that is a master of themselves and their emotions.

In football, the quarterback is referred to often as a field general. Someone that leads the the offense and many times the entire team. Even in a locker room that is swimming with alpha males, there is a hierarchy that exists where the quarterback is in a position that typically commands respect. Well, until it is lost.

Derek Carr of the Oakland Raiders has reportedly "lost the confidence of his teammates" after crying in a recent game. He adamantly denies that he cried, but the melting face look is clearly present. Click here to read the article and see for yourself

Under some pressure and heat, his brother tweeted the following:

Hit 16 times in that game

Broken Pinky Finger (Throwing Hand)

Sprained Thumb (Throwing Hand)

Knee Sprain MCL Grade 2

High Ankle Sprain Grade 3

Concussion Grade 1

Chest / Ribs Bruised

3 Broken Bones in his Back

Broken Fibula Bone in Leg

2 Missed Games (because they made him)

Was Derek Carr likely in a lot of pain? Absolutely, sounds like he was rightly fucked up. Did he sob and cry on the sidelines like a little girl with snot bubbles and tears? No. Then what is the problem? He cracked. For a few seconds, he let all of the adversity his brother listed above get to him. He showed his emotion and he lost the locker room as a result.

Society will tell you that they want a man that can show his emotions. One who is not afraid to cry. So, then why is Derek Carr taking so much heat? This is because this is misinterpreted far too often. Women don't want weak men. Crying is weak.

The other night, my wife saw a man crying on TV as he was about to win $50,000 on a game show. She has no idea what this man has been through in life. Nor, does it really matter. My wife said to me "I know I cry a lot, but when I see a man do it I'm like, ugh, suck it up!" Truth confirmed. There is no wiggle room here. Weak men cry.

The Oakland Raiders players don't want a weak person to lead them. Your woman doesn't want a weak leader either. Crying at the wrong time, despite the laundry list of adversity you may have, will forever and always change what she thinks of you. Some impressions stick forever and are difficult to shake. Make sure you don't leave these lasting ones as there is often no recovery since you will likely only have a few similar moments in which to redeem yourself or none at all.

Is it okay to show emotion? Yes, however, it must be kept under control. Women don't want robots, but they also don't want a mangina. Is it okay to shed a tear? There are moments where this is acceptable. I believe there is a time and place for everything. Just know that this should be rare. Crying due to pain, fear, stress, disappointment, are sure to lead to a lack of confidence in your leadership. If you lose a loved one, shed a few tears if you must (no snot bubbles or hysterics), wipe them away and move on. There are other times where this is acceptable and I am not going to list them all. It is okay to show that you care about the people you love. Tears should be rare.

Maintain control of your emotions despite the adversity you face. This is mountain we must climb. These are the challenges we as men face. This is what true leaders do. This is the burden of being king.


[–]RPWolf 66 points67 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

This pains me to write and is one of the most cringe worthy moments of my blue pill self that I will share. I know the exact moment, the Exact. Fucking. Moment. my marriage went south and my wife lost all respect for me. It was years and years ago but as I have reflected on my marriage during my RP transformation this one moment I feel was the catalyst for everything after.

My wife and kids were at the beach with my parents and I didn't have the days off so I had to stay home and work. About 4 days in I got called into my managers office and they told me the company had been bought out, I was low man on the totem pole and have a nice life. I freaked the fuck out, called my wife and cried on the phone. Not a tear but audible crying. I could hear the audible disgust on the other end of the line. No compassion just disgust. It disgusts me to even fucking type this out. I recall back to that moment and to this day know that was the beginning of the 10 year decline that I am climbing out of now.

[–]justpickanyusername[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this example illustrates my point better than anything I wrote above.

[–]classylassy286 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Probably a good thing she isn't your wife. When in private your spouse should be your shoulder. As long as you don't cry all the time, it's totally fine when massive thing happens. It's what made me fall in love with my hudband. We were dating and talking about past demon and happenings. But each to their own I guess. You can still be a leader and have a moment of weakness you are human.

[–]RPWolf 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She is my wife.

[–]BluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, we know this is what women SAY. This is probably what they THINK.

However, this is very often not how they behave. The vast majority of women are much more likely to tolerate multiple affairs than they are to tolerate any weakness from their man that requires actual emotional support.

I am not saying your experience is unusual or rare. I am saying it is uncommon and that MOST women do not react with sympathy to a man who is in distress. MOST women pull away and become Shit Testing demented demons at the exact moment when the man needs her most.

The only solution is to build yourself up as a man so that you don't need her. When you don't need her, she will "love" you. When you need her, in most cases she will do everything in her power to destroy you by Shit Testing you. As I have said before, most wives will keep up the Shit Testing even while the husband puts the gun in his mouth and prepares to eat a bullet.

Women are like terminators: They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with. They have no remorse and no pity and they absolutely will not stop until you are dead.

The question is can they be defeated? Sometimes I don't know. In this time period and using these weapons? Sometimes I just don't know.

[–]Rian_Stone 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]classylassy288 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes it does, find a red pill, sane woman. Any woman without empathy I would not want to be my kids mother.

[–]Rian_Stone 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]classylassy289 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol you're nuts. Very narrow minded. And I love fucking thanks;-) 5 x a week after 10 years and still amazing so not worried.

[–]Rian_Stone 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think we're at the tits or gtfo part.

[–]Rian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's funny is the hedging language she uses - which emphasizes the point of this post.

it's totally fine when massive thing happens

What is massive?

have a moment of weakness

How long is a moment?

Subjective to the person ascribing the judgment. When it's perceived to be trivial, or when the weakness is longer than acceptable, .... etc.

[–]Rian_Stone 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If she had been a good wife, she would have backed your play and cussed the stupidity of your employer for letting you go. Loyalty means being strong for someone when they fail. If you hold her blameless for her lack of support, then you are selling yourself short.

[–]RPWolf 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t hold her blameless at all. However, how I handled it was all on me. She completely cussed out the employer and was absolutely backing me saying they don’t know what they are thinking etc. Hell I had a new job within two months making more money.

The point is that in a complete moment of crisis I essentially proved and executed in one swoop that not only couldn’t I lead, but I also couldn’t handle a crisis. I also handed the captains hat over to her without saying as much and forced her into that role. No woman wants to be in that role.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. It's important to OYS, but I don't think any of us are machines. Everybody cracks under pressure sometimes. There have been years where my wife was not her best self, and I picked up her slack. She has also done the same for me.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar situation, minus the kids, but opposite reaction from the wife. I think it comes down to knowing that no woman wants to hear her beta provider call and cry about losing his job (aka her income and provision stream).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar situation, minus the kids, but opposite reaction from the wife. I think it comes down to knowing that no woman wants to hear her beta provider call and cry about losing his job (aka her income and provision stream).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar situation, minus the kids, but opposite reaction from the wife. I think it comes down to knowing that no woman wants to hear her beta provider call and cry about losing his job (aka her income and provision stream).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar situation, minus the kids, but opposite reaction from the wife. I think it comes down to knowing that no woman wants to hear her beta provider call and cry about losing his job (aka her income and provision stream).

[–]BluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could hear the audible disgust on the other end of the line. No compassion just disgust

This is the Red Pill guys. Right there in your face. Not long ago wives would actually help men climb out of their holes. Now they throw molten lead and boiling water while kicking and stomping your fingers as you try to struggle out.

[–]Downtowndex72 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry you went through that. You are stronger now and it would not happen again. Different time and place. Thank you for sharing as we can all grow from it.

[–]awyden 42 points43 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Crying, acceptable at funerals and the Grand Canyon.

[–]SteelSharpensSteel 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That Grand Canyon gets me every time.

[–]thunderbeyond 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or when a dog dies while heroically saving his master.

[–]Metastatix 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Come on. The Space Shuttle.

[–]LogicalBrah 17 points18 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Crying is a weird thing to me. I can’t remember the last time I cried because I was emotionally sad or mad. I didn’t cry when my father passed away for example.

However, I get tears rolling down my eyes over some stupid commercial or over faggot love scenes. Baffles the hell out of me.

Anyone have an opinion or have the same experience?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m a baseball guy. My team had been bad for 30 years but recently won the World Series. I tear up every time I watch replays of big hits or clinching games. It’s the only thing that cracks me. Nothing else has come this close to making me lose it. Ur not alone.

[–]ParaXilo 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You say recently so I'm assuming fellow Astros fan.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the Astros, but the Astros hate my team. Royals fan here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the Astros, but the Astros hate my team. Royals fan here.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to be like this. Beta as fuck and tear up at every damn hallmark commercial or stupid kids movie with an emotional ending.

Now if I get that feeling, I pivot my attention to the blue-pill Hollywood faggots trying to manipulate me into their feminine primary frame. I get pissed off and don’t loose myself.

[–]IRunYourRiver 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean actual faggot love scenes? I'm not one to judge, but why are you watching those anyhow?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I got teary eyed at the end of Rudy. Does that make me gay?

[–]FoxShitNasty83 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Come here poppet, sounds like you need a bro hug 😉

[–]IRunYourRiver 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not gay. But that movie sucks. And I firmly believe it put a 25 year curse on the Irish.

[–]Reach180 30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is sports narrative bullshit. Carr is average, the Raiders suck, and the narrative provided a scapegoat. The end.

In related news, Luke Kuechley, who legitimately sobbed on the field after getting hit in the face remains one of the 3 best defensive players in the NFL and has the respect of the entire league.

[–]Feliponius 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m having a hard time with this one. My wife sees me cry. I’ve always been a crier. That doesn’t mean emotional dump but I’m not one to suppress tears. So far that’s not been something that’s ever elicited disgust from her.

Now complaining, sure. That’s my biggest blue pill weakness. Whining and complaining. And that’s a huge turnoff for her. One which I’m working to eliminate. But crying in the appropriate context doesn’t appear to do what he’s describing in my personal relationship.

My pastor also cries and he has my utmost respect and devotion. His tears are not tears from pressure or stress but tears of love. Our church has no issues respecting or following the man as we know he has our best interest in heart.

I guess what I’m saying is I’m not so sure your determination that tears are the issue are right. I think it’s more to do with whether or not you’re crying as a victim for sympathy or crying as a release of emotional tension.

[–]johneyapocalypse 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Homo.

[–]Feliponius 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Queer

[–]SuperCrazy07 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The last couple times I cried were when family members died.

That said, this is more of an issue because Carr is average and the team sucks. If Brady won the Super Bowl and had tears, no one would say he lost the respect of the team.

[–]Frosteecat 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never saw my old man cry once. Even when he got the news that his own father was dead. That was the closest I had ever seen him come to it. A brief, momentary loss of facial control--then he immediately went back to his usual bad ass self. Amazing.

I cried like a fucking baby when that MAN died. And he went out like a champ, too.

God I'm a pussy lol.

[–]red-sfpplus 12 points13 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Oh give me a break...I cant believe you are basing this OP on this one faggottry example of a supposed weak man.

Derek Carr....He adamantly denies that he cried...

That is his fucking mistake.

Nothing wrong with shedding a tear, it is the fact he is lying about it is why people are "loosing respect"

A real man with frame would say:

"Yeah, I cried - so what? Shit hurt like a motherfucker...."

Beyond that, clearly you have never let your E2 get a little to high on cycle.

Crying is a side effect of getting big. lol

Maintain control of your emotions despite the adversity you face.

You should have lead your OP with this and built off this statement.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotus 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I cry when the tren runs out.

[–]red-sfpplus 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Damn fucking right.

[–]Taipanshimshon 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You’re on tren for life right ?

[–]red-sfpplus 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Die big, require a big hole in the ground.

[–]Taipanshimshon 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the trap that bothers me tbh

[–]justpickanyusername[S] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with shedding a tear, it is the fact he is lying about it is why people are "loosing respect"

You sure about that? If General Patton is crying on the beaches of Normandy you don't think he loses respect? So, he can do it, just not lie about doing it.

Beyond that, clearly you have never let your E2 get a little to high on cycle.

Crying is a side effect of getting big. lol

I will have to take your word on that one.

[–]red-sfpplus 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If you believe that Derek Carr lost the respect of his team mates while he was laying on the field, busted up and shedding a tear....

Then you are ignorant.

He lost respect when he responded to the allegations like a bitch, and how his brother came to his defense like a bitch.

Do not try to compare apples and oranges here.

You are comparing a healthy person to an injured person. I am not military, but many of our brothers here are.

I do not think any would fault a commander for loosing frame during any battle where they are wounded (shot, etc). The proper response is for the next in command to take over.

NFL players are faggots, and kneel for our great American Flag.

So STFU.

[–]justpickanyusername[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

You must be a Raiders fan.

[–]mindfulbutgutless 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

c'mon dude no one would admit that, especially now

[–]red-sfpplus 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I do not watch football.

Your theory is correct, the example for which your thesis is based on is terrible.

Therefore my comments.

Carry on...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's actually a great argument about ownership and frame here.

[–]red-sfpplus 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that is the point I am trying to make...

Should a man walk around crying at every little thing?

Absolutely not.

However if you feel the need to cry, show emotion or otherwise have a moment of weakness. Own it.

I had to stand in front of a judge and explain how I relapsed on prescription Xanax, spent 10 days in a physch ward and how I got clean.

Wanna talk about frame and ownership? There you go.

Opposing counsel and my wife thought I would run and hide from it, that I would be ashamed.

Nope, I hid behind nothing, and you know what - I got my kids primary custody due to it.

Ownership.

[–]johneyapocalypse 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I had to stand in front of a judge and explain how I relapsed on prescription Xanax, spent 10 days in a physch ward and how I got clean.

I hope you didn't cry over that silly drama.

[–]red-sfpplus 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah man. Not even close. I stood there with my head high, shoulders back and back straight. No fear and no shame.

[–]SorcererKing 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The word you're both looking for is CONTEXT. Get your ass trampled in a rough play in the NFL which busts you up? A tear might involuntary. Cry watching Titanic in the comfort of your home? You might be a bitch.

[–]SteelSharpensSteel 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Might"?

[–]SorcererKing 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Might... fall

Might... come

Might... be

Edit: Oh! I thought you were finding my omitted word. You're talking about your favorite movie, the one that always makes you cry? Got it!

[–]SteelSharpensSteel 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't mess with Leo. :)

[–]red-sfpplus 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No sir.

I understand the context. What I do not care for is how OP uses this as an example of "crying" as loosing respect in his OP.

He lost respect because he acted like a bitch in ongoing discussions and via his brothers comments.

Lack of ownership and frame cost him respect.

Not crying.

[–]SorcererKing 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know you understand the context. What you and that other guy were failing to do is say this: "Context is what matters."

[–]Non-PC-Guy 15 points16 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

All of this only proves to me that women lack compassion. That being said I don’t believe a man should cry like a baby over anything, but we all crack at times, and sometimes can not hold in whatever our reason for crying is. The red pill prevents me from every crying in front of my wife ever again, but if I were to cry she would be the one I hope I could open up to, but just can’t. The lesson here is a man cannot even emotionally open up to his women. The red pill is brutal. This is why MGTOW makes more sense today. Also men have more justifiable reasons to cry than women and yet we are judged for it. Women have less reasons to cry and yet they are pampered like babies when they do. It’s a gynocentric world.

[–]FoxShitNasty83 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agreed, I would cry in private rather than in front of the wife... She is dried up enough already.

[–]Non-PC-Guy 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is what I mean. If a man cannot open up to his own wife then this means he can not trust her or confide in her. This is a bummer. Maybe women are not supposed to be like this, but are just worse than they’ve ever been in the modern age. Maybe they’ve been brainwashed to despise us more and have been brainwashed to have unrealistic expectations of how we ought to act. Radical feminism being one factor. They are just less human today in my opinion. The problem is not men being unmanly; the problem is manhood has been defined by women’s unrealistic expectations of how a man should be and act. Even men have been brainwashed. If we don’t meet their expectations we are shamed and told to “Man up!” Women do not get to define what a man is. Do we tell them to “women up”? Not usually, but they need to women up. Radical feminists and many women brainwashed by it want to behave like men and make men like women, then they tell us to “man up”.

[–]justpickanyusername[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is just sour grapes. You are screaming at reality because it doesn't fit into your fantasy of what it should be.

Women are women. You don't bring home a dog as a pet and then get mad when it doesn't act like a cat do you? Find another outlet. Your wife was not designed to meet this need for you.

[–]SorcererKing 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just sour grapes.

User is MGTOW, now banned.

[–]Chump_No_More 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of this only proves to me that women lack compassion.

First, you say this like it's a bad thing. It's not. It's just one piece of the puzzle to what made human beings the pinnacle species on the planet. It's an amoral survival trait (cue war brides). Women can not become dependent on any one man, so becoming attached is a liability. Learn to deal.

Second, women have plenty of compassion, just not for you. Women love, just not the way men want them to.

[–]justpickanyusername[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you may have taken this too far or maybe I wrote it a little too harsh. Sure, we are going to crack. It doesn't matter what pill you have swallowed. We are human. Just know the potential costs and how it is perceived by those you lead and women. Best if they never see it.

Your woman will respect vulnerability to a small degree. It shows you are human and not a robot.

[–]man_in_the_world 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of this only proves to me that women lack compassion.

Wrong. Like most men, most women have compassion. They just don't admire or find attractive men who need or seek compassion, such as by crying. And they worry when men they depend on are so weak as to seek compassion from others.

I neither admire nor find attractive such men, either. Do you?

[–]BigGayGainz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does suck but reality is that weakness isn't attractive to women. Sucks for them that if they get fat we will love them less too. Its not their fault, once upon a time being bonded with a cry baby would get you killed. My wife and I cried when we drove through the smokies together, on our honey moon. Felt as though god was a certainty, that nothing so beautiful could be an accident. She still let me fuck. Strong emotions are good for the relationship but never show your weakness.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

All of this only proves to me that women lack compassion

How did you take that post and make it about women?

Oh, you're a MGTOW faggot.


Everyone knows there are 2 acceptable times for a man to cry. Birth and death. Birth of the eldest, usually. And death is debatable.

[–]johneyapocalypse 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And also when you witness your entire family get eaten alive by ravenous wolves.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted. I guess marriedredpill its just bluepilled. Some mods here are women, and you are married. Need not to say anything else.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted. I guess marriedredpill its just bluepilled. Some mods here are women, and you are married. Need not to say anything else.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted. I guess marriedredpill its just bluepilled. Some mods here are women, and you are married. Need not to say anything else.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted. I guess marriedredpill its just bluepilled. Some mods here are women, and you are married. Need not to say anything else.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are being downvoted. I guess marriedredpill its just bluepilled. Some mods here are women, and you are married. Need not to say anything else.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unjustified banning. You are very sensitive here.

[–]screechhater 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ya

I cried @ my first son's birth and when my father in law died

just own it "What, you don't like tears ?" suck it

Edit- sorry, I cried after being raped each time by a priest I would love to blow torch the mother fucker now

[–]MrChad_Thundercock 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“will forever and always change what she thinks of you.”

Yep.

Only be vulnerable over a bro-chat. Never to her.

[–]SirYe_ofLittleFaith 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I recently separated my shoulder rather badly. After the turmoil and pain of ER was done, and I was laying next to my wife in our bed, the magnitude of my potntial loss hit me and I let out some whimpering. I imediently regretted it and pulled myself together. She responded supportivly in that moment. Since then, I have noticed a lack of interest in my pain. I think it just makes her uncomforatable. Some evenenings my arm feels like it is ripping itself apart. But the more I complain or cry out in pain, the more she reacts by avoiding and ignoring me. Luckily I have spent enough time here to understand her reaction somewhat, and to not resent her for it. Before finding TRP I was angry at her a lot for acting like a woman. I am maintaining her attraction so far, after two months with no use of an arm, but its not easy when it hurts to have sex gently, and because she could over power me physically atm. Any ideas about how to be as attractive as possible, while physically wounded?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Some evenenings my arm feels like it is ripping itself apart. But the more I complain or cry out in pain, the more she reacts by avoiding and ignoring me.

How are you going to solve this problem?

Because unless you have a clear path forward, all you're doing is communicating uncertainty and chaos. Have a clear path forward.

[–]SirYe_ofLittleFaith 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you saying that I need to have and follow a clear path forward, or that a clear path forward is what I should be communicating to my wife, in lew of complaints and crys of pain? Either way, I agree. My clear path forward on the pain front is lots of physical therapy, in spite of the pain. And if I must vocalize my pain in front of my wife, ill try for manly grunting noises, and down play the pain as much as possible. Trying to limit my opiod intake means the pain itself is unavoidable, at least in the short term.

[–]SirYe_ofLittleFaith 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To answer my own question about maintaining attraction while wounded, I am talking dirty more aggressively, and using the injury as an excuse to change things up. I have found that doing what I want is generally what she wants me to do. But Instead of having my way with her however I want, because I physically can't. Lately I fuck her gently, and come quickly to avoid further injury, then help her finish in some creative low effort way, like asking her to strap her vibrator to a pillow so she can fuck it for me. The combination of unusually dirty words and creative vibrator suggestions seems to be keeping her interest. Strapping the virator to her leg, while she is tied up has also worked. I also got her some kegal balls, the dynamic of me asking her about her pussy workouts, and sticking things in her pussy to check her progress, and making a big genuine show of interest about how tight it is getting every time I penetrate her, has been a very good dynamic for us.

[–]ParaXilo 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree on the crying and also think it is only acceptable in certain situations.

When my son was born those were tears of joy and I'm not ashamed of that.

My wife tried to shame me once and told me of a father that fell asleep with his newborn son, early on it was a struggle a couple of times but I got better with lack of sleep, and the father fell asleep for several hours which resulted in the child dying. I looked up the story. Read it. I broke down. I broke down because the thought of losing my son because of my own irresponsibility tore me apart. Just imagining him gone hurts and hope to never have to go through that. I've been there having to tell parents there's nothing we could do for their child but that was before I became a father.

I'm still building frame but my son would be my main kryptonite that would cause me to breakdown. No one can tell me otherwise or change my mind.

[–]triclops41 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

100 times more important than thinking about whether those feelings are okay, is making sure those feelings are channeled into being a good father. Let them make you more motivated to be a good father and don't let them make you over protective.

[–]ParaXilo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. He has to grow and experience things.

[–]BigGayGainz 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude ignore most of that bullshit. Avoid this bubble boy shit or you will have problems. Your son is durable as fuck and hard to kill. That shit happens rarely, babies aren't dropping dead left and right. I cried like a fool when my son was born too. He had to come into the world fighting as we all do.

[–]ParaXilo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He won't be in a bubble. No over protection here.

But sleeping with an infant isn't a good thing. Had several EMS calls because parents fell asleep with the child and the child died. When they're older no problem. It can happen. Especially with exhausted parents. It's a rare thing but it does happen. Not worth the risk.

[–]IRunYourRiver 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is thinking about controlling emotion as it relates to elation or uncontrollable laughter? Same?

[–]dizaster213 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think crying is weak, but not the crier. That said, a man should only cry at very special occasions like birth, death, and... that's it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cried once (last feb) in the last I don't know how many years. And it was over a dog. In front of the current wife, no less, but I didn't care. She had cancer (dog, not the wife) and it got bad fast. I scheduled her to be put down on a Saturday. I drove her to her death, and held her while she was injected. The most loyal creature I've ever known died right fucking there and I lost it. Yep.

Oh look, it's gym time. Looks like a leg day.

[–]section8sentmehere 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This seems stupid.

If you have spent your whole life working as hard as any athlete does at the professional level, then there’s a good chance you already have an alpha personality. If you are having a good season, you wanna be out there with your brothers, you get your leg snapped, you are gonna cry. It’s painful and the emotion and adrenaline is gonna make you cry if you are prone to it.

When you deny that you’re crying, then yeah that’s a bitch move. Own it, and keep moving forward. I cry when I watch someone accomplish something harrowing, when I see a touching moment when a soldier comes home to his family and moments like that. Does that make me a bitch? It’s not like I’m sobbing, I can’t help that it’s touching.

It’s ok to have feelings, it’s just important to control your emotion. You guys are fuckin bonkers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last week, I got ambushed and fucked hard by my nemesis in a high profile $40M design workshop with my grandbosses and an outside consultant, maybe 25 total guys. I had just finished a 20 minute hard-sell presentation on a very expensive and unpopular design compromise that after a year and $2M of design I thought was the only viable path forward. After I finished, said nemesis rolled out an alternative design that seemed to be twice as good and twice as cheap. I stayed 100 percent calm, asked a couple clarifying questions, and said, "Clearly we should do what's best for the project and best for the agency. If we can obtain funding from management, we should vet this concept for feasibility, then proceed with the design."

I'm 55. There's no way I would have kept my cool in this situation when I was 40. And to clarify, my nemesis was not being deliberately malicious, he's a bit omega and it didn't occur to him to inform me of this alternate concept in the weeks prior to the workshop. I received several complements in the days afterward for not freaking out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So wrong.

If you knew anything about psychology you would embrace all of your emotions including sadness.

For the longest time we would teach men only know happiness and anger. A man who is profoundly sad or scared might only express anger because that is what he was thought but this type of man isn't emotionally mature.

Being emotionally rounded makes for a emotionally healthy human, male or female.

Seems to me @op you aren't emotionally mature enough to comprehend an adult subject like psychology.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So wrong.

If you knew anything about psychology you would embrace all of your emotions including sadness.

For the longest time we would teach men only know happiness and anger. A man who is profoundly sad or scared might only express anger because that is what he was thought but this type of man isn't emotionally mature.

Being emotionally rounded makes for a emotionally healthy human, male or female.

Seems to me @op you aren't emotionally mature enough to comprehend an adult subject like psychology.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So wrong.

If you knew anything about psychology you would embrace all of your emotions including sadness.

For the longest time we would teach men only know happiness and anger. A man who is profoundly sad or scared might only express anger because that is what he was thought but this type of man isn't emotionally mature.

Being emotionally rounded makes for a emotionally healthy human, male or female.

Seems to me @op you aren't emotionally mature enough to comprehend an adult subject like psychology.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So wrong.

If you knew anything about psychology you would embrace all of your emotions including sadness.

For the longest time we would teach men only know happiness and anger. A man who is profoundly sad or scared might only express anger because that is what he was thought but this type of man isn't emotionally mature.

Being emotionally rounded makes for a emotionally healthy human, male or female.

Seems to me @op you aren't emotionally mature enough to comprehend an adult subject like psychology.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So wrong.

If you knew anything about psychology you would embrace all of your emotions including sadness.

For the longest time we would teach men only know happiness and anger. A man who is profoundly sad or scared might only express anger because that is what he was thought but this type of man isn't emotionally mature.

Being emotionally rounded makes for a emotionally healthy human, male or female.

Seems to me @op you aren't emotionally mature enough to comprehend an adult subject like psychology.

[–]Giant-__-Otter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"You heavens,[...] let not women's weapons, water drops / Stain my man's cheeks!" - King Lear

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As much as men don’t want to believe what you’re saying, you’re exactly right.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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