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TLDR had a very good outcome after passing epic shit tests, and a thank you to this forum.

I live close to work, so I can come home for lunch and enjoy a wife-made sammich, check on homeschool, and just generally enjoy myself for 20 minutes.

Yesterday my stay-at-home wife was having a bad day. She was coming off being sick the day before, and our little girl was throwing fits because mommy wanted to stay in bed. I helped the situation via text from work and wife was grateful.

But she still had a headache. (Anyone else have the migraine demon in their home?) When I came home for lunch, things felt grim. She proceeded to trouble me with household concerns that were apparently on her mind. I tried to engage but there was no time to address anything. In the end it was just stress I didn't need on precious break time.

Then she took it to a whole new level. She started going into this whole thing about how I opened up a bag of chips that she was saving because they're SEASONAL (they were stale) and blah blah and how I'm not considering her feelings. At first I engaged a little, and when I saw she was escalating, I looked at the time, my break was ending soon, I realized I was more stressed after my lunch break than if I would have just gone to McDonalds. I got angry and loudly spoke "It's just fucking chips!" or something. And then announced I was going back to work (I made it back early.) I hear her saying as I went out: "You're just going to leave the chips on the table..??"

She texted while I was driving and here is what I texted back: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xamng9_IG-dzUsrax1DLubi8YrNT0Mug/view?usp=sharing Not proud of all this so far, but it's the truth. I shut my phone off so I could concentrate at work. I also made time to read about anger here because I thought I may have really screwed up. There seems to be some debate about what role, if any, male anger can play in RP life.

I worked the rest of my day with my phone off and it was nice not having to engage with her over text and just concentrating on my job. I knew there was going to be a shitstorm waiting when I got home, but I resolved to maintain a frame of amused mastery NO MATTER WHAT when I got back in there. I'll admit, I still have to fake it.

I turned on the phone to see a flood of enraged ranting on her end. Didn't engage with any of that. It was the same attacks I've seen so many times when we fight. Insults that seem so real, if a man said them to me,we'd have to have damn duel. Yet I know it's all bullshit. A desperate attempt to try and move me, to control me.

I get home and get a beer and sit down to relax and look at the news on my phone. She comes around and resumed something in the kitchen, and as she worked I see her from the corner of my eye mustering an attack for me. She starts:

-Did you get my texts? -Yup. -The way you walked out and slammed the door, is there something else going on you wanna tell me? Are you angry? -Nope I'm fine. (I smile at her) Actually I would like to mention something. My lunch break is a time of relaxation for me. I don't to be troubled. If that's a problem.. -Troubled? What was troubling? You couldn't even be troubled to talk to me with your face in your phone.. -Did you say anything interesting? I remember you brought up X, Y, and Z annoying thing. I started a convo about Elizabeth Warren which was cool for a minute, and then you started in with the chips thing.

That's when she started going sour. Launching a ton of fallacies meant to get me mad and defending myself. I held frame. I engaged none of it. I said "Ok then." Took my beer and went upstairs to change.

Now I noticed something. A large amount of housework had been done. Our room was looking better than it has for a while. She picked all her shit up. In fact, she'd been hard at work for hours all around. Hmm!

She followed! She started changing too (we take the kid to ballet on Tuesdays) She's naked in front of me. And she's still launching extremely titillating salvos of strawmen and attacks, desperately trying to get under my skin so I will engage. I tell you, inside I was nervous the whole time, but I faked it and held frame.

I go "OK, guys have fun at ballet!" As I'm going downstairs she goes "Are you going somewhere??" I say "I'll be in the basement working on my project" (musical hobby.)

They went. I didn't have to tend to them. I got a great chunk of time in on my project. I was feeling good.

They got home a couple hours later, and I felt satisfied enough that I could check on the lady and stop working for the evening if need be and it would be no great loss. The thing is, the amount of cans of worms she opened with her attacks, two rational people would have to spend hours working through all the seemingly unresolved drama. But I had a theory that wasn't going to be the case.

Sure enough. I get up there. She's already in the kitchen working on a stellar dinner. I give her a kiss on the head. ITS LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED. She's chipper. She starts telling me stories. I sit down and we have a good time. She NEVER brings up the shit. We have a great dinner, and kid bed time, and fun chillouts. And she initiates a passionate session.

So, yea, that was a landmark for me. For the years since we've been married, I've tried to live by RP principles. I do OK. I've been training her. I am lucky to have a lady that is much better than the average. But she's a fighter, and I've done a bad job at not falling for her tactics when she's in a mood and wants a fight. She hooks me in with outrageous accusations that I KNOW I could beat if i engaged. wrong.

There was a post on here about how marriage is like unexpectedly getting punched in the gut once a month. That's accurate. But I'm optimistic that consistently passing shit-tests will more than mitigate this condition.

I posted a couple years back here, probably under another name, my story about how I left my wife in another city because we had a fight in the car on the way to a show. I got righteously lit up of course. That night was emblematic of just how many problems I had not dealt with in my journey. And I was too butthurt to see it. I heard what yall were saying and yet I couldn't internalize it. I had also been listening to Stefan Molyneux and trying to wrangle his ideas with RP philosophy.

So thanks for being here. I have some posts in my mind that hopefully yall will enjoy or debate. I don't see a ton of new posts on here, so I'll hold back until I get the lay of the land.

Cheers.


[–]FoxShitNasty83Captain of the HMS Fucktard34 points35 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Man gets into argument with wife, wife plays the reset card. The end.

Don't go McDonald's at Lunch, i stopped going home at lunch (i live close to where I work, I don't need the hassle or her shit to pull me out of work mode) do meal prep and read the sidebar in lunch hour instead

[–]NevrEndr7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even better - go lift

[–]grumpieroldman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not underestimate setting an expectation for your wife to see you and interact at an additional or unusual time of day and fulfilling that expectation.
They cannot go 10 ~ 12 hours with out it and feel like they are connected to you.
If she feels like you are "around" it will put her in nesting mode but you can't be immediately present all day long. The preparation and planning and fulfillment of a rendezvous is emotional ecstasy to them. All the better if you arouse them a little bit during it (non-verbal subtle flirty stuff, a touch, a brush, a mistaken approach for a kiss, et. al.) because they will stay aroused and this will drive them to more action, not sleeping and lounging, and then you need your next planned rendezvous when you're going to get home.

Fights will work to, as OP goes over, but you don't want that to be the normal. You just need it now and then ... and handle it a lot better than he did.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me, I always disliked being pulled out of work-engagement mode by being visited by family even briefly. Going home? might as well have a nap too.

It didn't matter as much when the job stakes weren't as high, however.

[–]beholdthemaverick14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A good heuristic for figuring out if you’re still in the anger phase or in your wife’s frame is whenever you feel a need to “prove a point to this bitch”. Any time you feel like you’re doing or saying something to prove a point to her, you’re trying to elicit a reaction somehow or teach her a lesson which means you’re still in her frame.

This is VERY different from doing something or reacting a certain way simply because it’s what makes you happy in the moment. If your wife is being bitchy and giving you drama, and your first instinct is to troll her rather than entertain defending yourself. Her shit is so irrelevant that it doesn’t even register on your radar, so you go find something more interesting to do, or AA the fuck out of the situation for shits and giggles.

In your situation I would read through NMMNG more thoroughly, but also read Book of Pook again if you haven’t. Sometimes you have to keep reminding yourself that this shit is supposed to be light and fun.

Do what YOU want in each moment but never because you’re planning on having her react a certain way. If you want to defend a boundary, do it covertly with actions (not by getting angry at her bullshit). That always helps me recalibrate my mental point of origin to myself, and defending my boundaries with actions keeps me from getting angry at anything she says or does.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly why we preach lifting.

Lifting develops frame like no other and set the course for the mission directive. You do You

[–]SteelToeShitKicker11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Congratz, you just doxxed yourself. Remove the link to your google drive before the SJWs make an example out of you.

If that's a burner google account, don't underestimate how easy it is for google to figure out who you are. And don't think that google isn't full of SJWs who would burn you in an instant.

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Pure curiousity here, what's a SJW?

[–]i_stuckmydickincrazy2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have more questions than answers now lol

[–]grumpieroldman9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Once upon a time a SJW was someone that would help a black man falsely convicted of rape get out of jail.
Today they make the false accusations.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You do realize that the problem here is not the chips, it's you being a bitch about it, right?

I can't really tell, because you insist on framing yourself as the victim.

[–]csawyer86-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

how is he being a bitch about it ?

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It starts here....

I got angry and loudly spoke "It's just fucking chips!"

...and continues through his blaming her for always wanting to fight.

[–]Tiway225 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow weak af.

DEER, mcdonalds, chips, bullshit.

What are you doing man? She’s completely insubordinate.

What are your lifting stats and hobbies? Sounds like you are a weak fat man living under her control.

[–]clearwatermo 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm skeptical of anyone's ability to help a situation through text message, at least in a way worth mentioning. You don't need to explain anything, but for anyone reading here... RP isn't about saying the right thing, but about handling business in the physical world.

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Step back and take a look at the bigger picture here.

Do you see how you could've avoided the shitstorm "about the chips" in the first place?

Do you think you could listen to your wife unload her stresses of the morning and relax on your lunch break, all at the same time? If the answer is no (which it is, so save the bullshit) why do you think that is?

When you noticed the house was cleaner than it had been in awhile, was "ah-ha!! I'm winning" the only thought in your head? Did you say anything to her about it?

Do you see how all of this could be interconnected?

And lastly, what exactly do you think the success was here?

There is a lot to unpack. If ya give enough of a shit to answer these questions, honestly, I'll give it a go.

[–]markpf7312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This whole thing was cringeworthy. I guess a pat on the back for progress but oh man so much to cringe at here. You are still in her frame, lots of DEERing.

Search for some of the older brilliant posts on AM and shit tests. You can do so much better than this but you need to internalize more, practice and do more.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusMRP APPROVED15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You gave us a real good play by play of the words you spoke but what was missed was your body language and tone.

The outburst about the chips from you was weak, you already know this.

That text was cringy.

I'm willing to bet when you think you are being cool, the message you are screaming to the room is butthurt.

And imnotslash is right, why didn't you try and bang her when she was naked. It obviously had some weight with you, it was included in the story.

Here, check out this if you haven't already. Lots of talking going on here.

Stfu and you

[–]thunderbeyond7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have more posts in mind they should go to r/askmrp... not here.

I don't think you really understand the concepts. I don't even think you understand what shit tests are. This sounds a little more like "dishwasher not being packed right" and I will bet there's a lot more to this story.

But to be honest you still sound like you are stuck in the anger phase.

[–]RedHoodhandles13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow.

She makes drama over a bag of chips (which is telling on it's own), you stomp your feet like the cuck king of the hill, lose frame, soft next her (a few hours lol..), even announce the soft next, come home and act bitchy passive agressive like only a female would, work on your beer gut and call it a win..

Stories like these make me wanna spin plates forever and never procreate. You're so far gone and operating in her frame, you're not even realizing it.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue here isn't that your wife was pissed that you were eating the chips, your response to her or the fact that the captain let the chips get stale because he couldn't use a fucking container - its that you are a fat fuck faggot who is still eating chips and at mcdonalds.

You need to duck tape your mouth, lift, STFU and stop pussy footing around the red pill - stop licking that shit and shove it down your throat. You essentially know nothing after years of being here hence why the harpy still runs your household.

You will know you are making progress when you find it funny as shit that she told you that you couldn't eat something in your own house but at that point she won't do this to you. If it were me I would have just smirked at her, continued on my way, proceeded to later hide all of the other food she likes and when she confronted me I'd pick up my phone pretend to call the police and report a robbery and say that thankfully it seems all they took was my wifes snacks.

[–]andrewnorman0073 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well done for handling it the best way you can.

[–]justpickanyusernameMRP APPROVED8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds more like Nice Guy rage than true alpha behavior. You have been at this for 2+ years and this is the best you can do?

[–]2ndalMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

D'aw she made the lil' boy upset for opening a bag of chips—so upset he had to reprimand her and tell his friends how he is wearing his big boy pants now.

[–]ImNotSlashGrinding7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she was naked in front of you, why not try to caveman fuck her right there? Flip that shit, I'd think

[–]Flpgneves1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This looks bad for you, and the first red flag is she complaining about a freakin bag of chips. And then you made it worse by bombing the shit test. Something is missing in your frame, 99% chance it's Dominance.

How's your lifting? Have you put on muscle recently? Testosterone levels? Check it. From your chips outburst, it seems you're stressed. Maybe from work. Not good.

The musical hobby is a good thing, work more on it.

It looks like you have become too comfortable and familiar to her, one of the worst things you can do in a marriage. Is your wife hot? Like a 7-8 at least? She's gonna have orbiters. Maybe there's a dad that picks up his daugther at the ballet that hits on her when she's there. Be careful and WORK ON YOURSELF.

[–]Fritz_Frauenraub1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Got a long way to go, but at least you're in the game now.

Most of the real work is changing the weak parts of your character that cause you to react to her standard issue female bullshit.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a lot of shit thrown at this post, not undeservedly, but I will say this. Good on you for putting on your big girl panties and posting in MRP, not AskMRP.

There didn't always used to be a AskMRP. People would have to take their lumps here in the main sub just like everyone else.

[–]SKRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have an extremely pronounced pain body (yeah, since I read Tolle, TRP, psychology, ego and what not to get back into focus since my divorce, I see it in myself and others, but in women it's particularly pronounced). When her mind shifts to that gear, all it wants is to have a field day making pain and enjoying that upsetness. Women's ego manifests almost entirely through their emotions. Think of it as the mind on a period. Even John Gray wrote about the phenomenon in Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. He calls it, "Women are like waves".

In fact here I need to make a distinction between feeling and emotion. Emotion is what happens when feeling gets thrown into a storm and the lake goes turbulent. And when there's pain, that lake gets toxic real quick, because emotion has less discrimination than the logical intellect (which will tell you there's no meaning to losing your head over something so small, but emotion can't really discriminate because it's very solipsistic - in fact since it's "all about me", everything is basically given the same importance as oneself).

This is actually a symptom of mild bipolar disorder, that doesn't last long, but AFAIK you can't have a female mind without a little bit of it at least. At that point, a woman's ego (i.e. feelings) really wants some validation for her hurt, but every time you do give it, it just inflates her ego further. So you don't do it, or else you're rewarding bad behaviour and fostering a cycle of self righteousness, projection and contempt. The bigger a woman's ego, the more she'll look down on you and her contempt will grow.

Staying totally present and aware of that and not getting into that is the key. You will end up holding some serious frame and stoicism against it if you realize that's what's going on, and after a long time of practicing this, it won't be so much more different than a baby's tantrums - we don't really take that seriously and we are in fact in a position to pour some water over the flames. Babies are easier to divert in the moment though, they can stop thinking of the past real quick (cause they really don't have much or any past to begin with). Women, they're loaded with past pains, it'll all come up and she'll have to really flip her emotional state out of it.

All the same, if it gets too much, a boundary needs to be enforced, a sense of objectivity and discrimination needs to be brought in - otherwise the distinction between minor and major stuff gets lost. If that goes away totally, then it's Borderline Personality Disorder. I've been there and seen that. It's what happens when sollipsism goes so far that it loses all objectivity. Well before this happens is where the masculine must step in. One advantage that the masculine has, despite it's overt big ego and potential for sociopathy when taken too far, is that it can put itself aside and make the point or the mission more important than the person - that keeps the ego down. Use it.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

“ she still had a headache. (Anyone else have the migraine demon in their home?)”

Yes, but only after fucking.

[–]boblee770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Headboard is HARD!

[–]Kingofdeadbedroom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever gotten close to 'experimenting' or hooking up with either of the girls?

[–]SaltyBarracuda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Baby steps.

Don't sweat the small stuff - Just ignore silly little complaints and don't validate them by engaging.

Brush them off and change the subject.

I'd stop going home for your breaks too - For a multitude of reasons,

[–]Venicedreaming-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Get your wife to the doctor if the migraine and erratic mood swings or emotions persist. It could be a sign of brain tumor. I’m not being sarcastic this is a real symptom as I have seen. She could be a crazy bitch but it sounds a lot like brain tumor with migraine and erratic emotion swings

[–]grumpieroldman3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

... have you ever met a woman?

[–]Venicedreaming0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tons, but I don’t know where you RP find your women. The ones I know and married aren’t as crazy as the ones you guys have found

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try the ones who are divorced mommies instead of trying to poach happy hotwives.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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