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Late 40s. Married over 20 years. 2 kids at home youngest is 17

TR;DL: If you're thinking of implementing MRP, go all in.

If you want some ideas on how to avoid completely swallowing the red pill, I'm your man. I've rubbed it, snorted it, gargled it, and tried to use it as a suppository. I think one of the reasons I rode the fence so long was I was getting sex 1-2 times a week. Also, since 2015, I've added anal, bondage, etc to the sex menu. I'd cycle between nice guy, then asshole if I was 'wronged'. I could see the path I was on; all the while using my wife as a scapegoat.  Basically I'm a passive aggressive bitch, beta to the core, who gets angry and sulks when I don't get my way. I was heading towards some grumpy dad sitcom character. I cringe when I think about how I dealt with my wife and my kids. In order to avoid conflict, I'd waffle on most things. Had some WTF moments before MRP in 2010. 

  1. I had a couple small health issues and took a bunch of sh!t. I was thinking "in sickness and in health, ya right". 
  2. Around the same time as my minor health issues, I had a drop in revenue in my small business. I reeled in spending, hardcore. My wife was absolutely wild that I was "taking things away" from her, "making her life harder", etc, etc. She was like this for months until she adjusted to the new reality. This one particularly hit me hard. I remembered saying to her, "All I am to you is a walking wallet." By 2014, I had revenue back to pre-recession levels I didn't tell her and I didn't spend like I did before. I kept things tight money wise. 
  3. My wife has a sense of duty and pre-established male/female roles. Thank goodness for me, a wife's duty is sex with her husband. During a weekly starfish-obligatory-every-position-hurts-when-will-you-be-done-sex I had finally had enough. She was doggie style and kept pushing her ass back giving me no room to stroke. I got mad and just pounded her forward so hard she couldn't push back. She responded amazingly. I was caught up in the passion and for some reason I pulled her hair, hard. She stifled a yell "finally!". (Kids in the house.) When I asked her afterwards what she meant she clammed up.   

These instances made me think, what the f&ck am I doing? I'm naturally a happy guy but resolved to handle my wife with disdain. It seemed like whenever I treated her poorly, she'd treat me well. WTF? So against my normal SOP, I became an asshole. As soon as I'd let asshole go away, complaining would come back. 

Years later, I found MRP through a search on complaining wife. It wasn't the first result because all the top results were "bring her flowers", "learn her love language", "jump through even more hoops", blah, blah, blah.  When I first started reading MRP, I thought, "These guys are a bunch of cult assholes." However, quite a few stories really resonated with me. So I cherry picked the advise in askMRP, MRP, and the books on the sidebar. In other words, I did not internalize the books in the sidebar. I'd read the material but not while fully engaged. I read to finish reading. I'd work one aspect. Then, I'd have some success because I 'fixed it', then back off. I was on the slooow drip progression plan.

Then, I decided to go all in and took the full prescription. Lifting, re-reading sidebar, STFU in September 2017. 

Transformation

Lifting is one of the things I thought I could skip. I was in fairly good shape doing Crossfit type workouts 4-5 days a week. I joined a gym and I'm on a muscle building program. My lifting stats for 5 reps: DL 255, BP 205, OHP 120. Little things like opening jars, putting luggage in overhead compartment, and moving furniture around are so much easier. Lifting is something I really enjoy now. I can't stress enough the benefits of lifting. 

Since Sept 2017, its been a very slow journey. AA, AM, and frame is still weak. I always think of things to say 15 minutes after. The biggest tool and BY FAR the most effective is STFU. A recent example: we were working on a rental house and I asked her to vacuum. "I can't." "You should've told me before." "I asked you about this before you did X." Blah, blah, blah. All the while I just continued what I was doing. I went to go do it the next day and guess what? It was already done. 

Dread is very effective in my relationship. We went to an event and only by coincidence a super pretty 25-30 year old sat right next to me. She started asking me questions while wife was sitting on the other side of me; unable to hear the conversation. Let me be clear, there was no pickup artistry or effort on my part at all. It was s total fluke. Later, my wife said nothing but did I ever get laid that night, wow. 

I track cycles using Clue app. I didn't have the wherewithal to connect period to grumpiness early on but its not an issue anymore. It seems like the relationship has shifted (like a massive cruiseliner turning 180 degrees) from me in a hamster wheel trying to make her happy to her working on making me happy. I struggle with lots but I'm a slow burn kind of guy. Over the last year I've really worked at cutting my covert contracts and validation seeking. I reset daily, although its a struggle. I have a long way to go and my journey will not end. I'm simply going to continue plodding away. The reality is: there are so many nuances and subtleties to MRP, its taken me time to wrap my head around it. MRP is one of those things you have to simply start. Put one foot in front of the other. I made and continue to make tons of mistakes. After a year, I can say, my home life is much, MUCH better. 

After reading MRP posts for a year, I have to give a HUGE thanks to mods. As stated, I thought they were a bunch of pricks. I've come to know they are super caring, tough love guys who are trying to save us dumb asses. Hats off to you guys. 

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[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll28 points29 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

“Let me be clear..It was a total fluke.”

Don’t sell yourself short. Sounds to me like You Are the Prize.

Perhaps you are giving off the vibe and really did internalize all the material and mindsets and didn’t even realize it. It comes out in your body language and overall vibe and demeanor. She probably could smell it on you and wanted a piece of it.

“Sickness and health”

You learned the hard way that vows don’t mean jack shit to women.

My red pill awakening was just as you described too. The “nicer” I acted, the more of a bitch she became. The more I worked on “us”, the worse my deadbedroom got.

Asshole Game is a thing of beauty.

No turning back. Pedal to the metal.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm probably doing it wrong or going too hard, but my wife keeps asking me to (essentially) be more beta these days. She literally said she wants me to act more like I adore her. Well I don't any more. Tough luck. Work on being adorable, woman.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Watch what they do, not what they say.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's one of those lessons that I've had trouble assimilating. Beta tendencies persist to some degree.

That being said, I haven't really changed my behavior over her protestations. I am conscious to keep my own shit to myself, but I generally treat her the way I think she deserves to be treated, and deal with (or ignore) the consequences.

I do provide comfort, but only when I feel like doing it. If she wants more comfort, she has to make me more comfortable.

[–]helaughsinhidden3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, ACTA NON VERBA!

[–]weakandsensitive4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

She literally said she wants me to act more like I adore her.

"I'd love to. Give me a reason."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ooooo, seriously though, give me a reason. She knows what I like and what I want, but she tries to please me using methods that please her.

Try harder.

[–]DJiamuzak[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This took time. My wife is self absorbed. It wouldn't register to her that I wanted/needed something out of our relationship. It truly started to shift when I consistently got over "wanting praise from her". Now I praise her when she does things I like. I also introduce (slowly) what I want/like. Because, like I said, my needs weren't even on her radar.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My wife is very self absorbed as well. So am I. Actually, I should say "I am self absorbed once again", after pulling myself out of her frame.

And I'm impatient. I need to learn to let things go and take the time they need. 1000' rope and all that.

I'm a lot better at the stick than the carrot. Something else I need to work on.

[–]lololasaurus13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You learned the hard way that vows don’t mean jack shit to women.

Take my upvote for this unfortunate truth.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You be all nice now?

Faggot.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I think MCT is running gear and his E2 gets out of check. Thus the feelz we see in this post.

Still giving the faggot a +1

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am sure he knows it is in jest

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

pro-tip - keep some mystery. "maybe it was a jest.... maybe it wasn't.... hmmmmm...... maybe mct sucks dick on the street corner for a $50. we just don't know."

[–]IRunYourRiver8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Very new here and totally fucking at the bottom of the barrel. Not very often, but once in a while, I think - "Holy shit, I could do this too". This post gives me one of those moments.

[–]weakandsensitive6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Negative self talk makes you a bitch

[–]Revolv00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s a powerful statement.

[–]hystericalbonding7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice field report

I reset daily, although its a struggle

Why is it a struggle? And what are you doing to modify that?

[–]DJiamuzak[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Getting over the habit of being a pout or responding poorly. I'm getting better at separating what's said/done and how I respond...instead of knee jerk reaction.

[–]hystericalbonding6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

frame is still weak. I always think of things to say 15 minutes after

Frame isn't about winning at an interaction. That mindset is faking it before you make it. It's been a year. The next step may be something like the philosophy of stoicism, or taking some improv classes.

Regarding turning the asshole behavior off and on, there's an underlying problem with congruence. Authenticity is important. A re-read of Pook might be a good start. The Family Alpha's stuff resonates with some people.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think "all in" is an excellent mindset.

It's much like "I'll burn it all down (if I have to)"

[–]DJiamuzak[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me it was "all in" because I can sometimes get addicted to, as Tyler Durdan put it, self improvement masturbation. Reading the material but not making notes, not reflecting on it, and not implementing it.

[–]ParaXiloin limbo of fuckarounditis5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good FR. Posts like these help me reset and review what I'm doing wrong and continue to fix my dumbass.

Wasted 9 years with the blue pill weakness in my relationship and all my years in my teens. Just turned 29 so I'm gonna plow forward into 30.

Good luck.

[–]weakandsensitive6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with being an asshole.

[–]YelxO2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your wife just needed a good hard fuck. It’s a shame she didn’t just ask for it sooner. Relationships are better with good sex.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've come to know they are super caring

Bwhahahahaaa. wipes tears from eyes

But seriously, good for you. Good to see folks making mistakes and picking themselves right back up.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They’re called “front holes” now, not vaginas. We have to be sensitive to the tranny’s ...

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

triggered

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You and me both

[–]coachdad85 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd cycle between nice guy, then asshole if I was 'wronged'. I could see the path I was on; all the while using my wife as a scapegoat.  Basically I'm a passive aggressive bitch, beta to the core, who gets angry and sulks when I don't get my way.

Hard to avoid this route in the beginning. Especially tough if you're used to controlling your life and realize you cant control your wife.

I had a drop in revenue in my small business. I reeled in spending, hardcore.

Glad you didn't give her the "money doesn't matter" speech. That never goes well.

I have to give a HUGE thanks to mods. As stated, I thought they were a bunch of pricks. I've come to know they are super caring, tough love guys who are trying to save us dumb asses.

They do it in an obnoxious way kinda like my uncle who yelled at us when we were kids.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're doing great, man. Happy to hear of the progress. It betrays all logic why this stuff works, but it does. I've always been affectionate towards my wife. I've turned love-making into a long, drawn out event. As I increased my red pill ways and adapted to some ideas that were counter-intuitive to me, I one night decided to just fuck her like we were in the midst of a war and then throw her away. While slapping her ass, she told me to stop. I did it harder. When she tried to stop me, I pinned her down. When I came, I rolled over and ignored her pleas for me to help finish her off. All I did was lay there and STFU and, like magic, she got all chatty with me and wanted to know about my day and what I thought about this and that. In my mind, I quietly asked, 'Did it really just happen?' You can read about frame for a long time before really knowing what any of it means until the day you actually pull your wife back into YOUR frame.

[–]StimulusPackageOne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahaha love it! And yes... it just happened ; )

[–]StimulusPackageOne1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...cutting my covert contracts and validation seeking. I reset daily...

Said like a true champion. This is exactly a key in my current LTR and the benefits are tremendous. As said later in your post, go one step at a time... dread kicks ass! And don't forget to keep following her cycle, makes the world of a change when you "know" what's coming up. For example, I know my girl feels like shit for few days right after her menstruation. I then just take a step back for and boom. Keep working, great post to read.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Da fuq’ did you me faggot?

Caring?

Better get out of here with that bullshit and lift some luggage into an overhead bin to impress your wildabeast of a wife.

Get back to work. Move a little faster. You can afford some Rambo in your life.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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