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So I’m sure there’s some work that needs to be done here. Let me know.

I never was a full blown beta. my issue has been more of becoming a better captain and bettering my shitty life to a point where, of course I respect myself, but also my wife can do the same instead of treating me like a mother and constantly falling into her frame. I wanted those tables to turn. Me, to be a leader of her. And our family. She is a control freak and that often comes into conflict with things. She wants things done her way. I want them done mine. We would butt heads and argue about it. I wanted to more shift into her trusting me enough to know I know what’s best. And allow me to lead us to where we need to go. I know she wants this deep down also.

I realize this all starts with me and ends with me. And that comes as a side effect. Started by shifting my focus off her and onto me. I know we stress having a mission here but you Reallllly can’t fucking get this shit without one. Once that falls into place I feel it makes things so much easier. It’s like walking around in the dark and suddenly you have a flash light.

I started lifting 6 days a week. I found my mission. My purpose. Everything is starting to fall into place. I quit a heroin addiction. Got clean. Got into a good career. Got 3 raises in less than a year of being there. I love my fucking job. Now I found someone to not only pay for my schooling to further my career but hire me right out making great money. To my ultimate end goal which will be to run my own business within this career. All of this happened with in the last year +.

last weekend there was a couple boundaries I wanted to put in place and I sat her down and told her about them. I told her if things did not improve we would not be together. That there was something’s I needed to take care of to better myself and if she wasn’t going to help or make the process harder that we are best to go out separate ways. She cried. I didn’t bite and left it at that.

The next couple days came and went and things have been awesome. Coming home to meals everyday (not part of the deal she has just been doing this). Great sex when I want. Putting up her end of the deal Etc. I realize this is bound to change after a while and this is because of the boundary talk. But for now I am cool with how things are going.

I come home from work yesterday after a 12 hour shift and a gym session. And she tells me she wants to talk. I say about what. She says what was said the other day. I tell her I said what I needed to say. There’s nothing else to talk about. She says yes there is.

I continue getting undressed and go make a plate of food. When I sit down she is staring at me.

“I love you so much and you can’t just say you’ll leave. You’re playing with my heart”

I say okay.

I can tell where this is going and I want no part of it. I have been here plenty of times before.

I forget what else she was saying but then She starts going.

“I’m not comfortable. With this” with an angry. Serious look.

And this is where I done something I never have before and I watched the magic unroll. Normally this is about the point where I give into her frame. This time

I immediately say.

“Well no wonder you’re uncomfortable look how you’re sitting. (She was slouched down in the couch laying back a little bit) here let me help you with that”

I go over pick her up and place her upright in the couch. She starts cracking up.

After her laugh she starts trying to talk again. I tell her I don’t want to talk about it. She says “it’s not fair. It’s like everything is always on your terms”

I stfu.

She eventually gets over it.

This might not seem like shit to most of you guys but this was huge for me. I would normally jump right into her frame and start defending myself. Hating myself for it after and he being pissed off all night.

I am by no means where I want to be but I am a hell of a lot better than I was a couple months ago.

I think my biggest realization in all of this is the true importance of having a mission/vision in place that has nothing to do with your wife.


[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll82 points83 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

“quit a heroin addiction. Got clean. Got into a good career”

Great job man.

[–]InconspicuousWand[S] 28 points29 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. That has been the hardest part of this journey

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I bet. You buried it in there.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love this specific comment thread.

Everyone take an upvote.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed, I didn't even notice the heroin addiction until MCT mentioned it. Take another.

[–]Shanye61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone take another

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. That was my first thought. They should teach this in journalism school. Textbook burying the lead.

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a man who has been in hell, climbed out of the abyss, now sees life as the gift that it is, and is wasting no time.

Would be interesting to know which came first... TRP or getting clean?

[–]InconspicuousWand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP for sure

[–]rocknrollchuckMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So how did you quit? Details?

[–]InconspicuousWand[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tried NA. Failed.

Tried. Rehab. failed

Tried therapy. Failed.

Tried. Suboxone. Not for me.

Only thing left was to kill my drug dealer...

No in all reality. I got on a shot called vivtrol it literally doesn’t allow you to get high for a whole month. No matter how much you use. Took the mental fuck out and gave me space For 3 months. In that time period I changed my surroundings. Told my one dealer to never sell to me again. And block me. He respected it. Then when I got off the shot I was able to think and make better choices when it came to my life.

Got in the gym. A new job. TRP. And have been going strong ever since.

[–]rocknrollchuckMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, that's awesome dude! Glad to hear it!!

[–]2ndalMRP APPROVED23 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You'll have really made it when you not only stop seeking your validation from her, but from us as well.

[–]InconspicuousWand[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I see what you mean. I guess I just got a glimpse of how things should work and got excited and I wanted to share

[–]Acerp3219 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You may be seeking validation here, but you are progressing. Shit doesn’t happen overnight or necessarily in a linear fashion. Keep frame.

Congrats on quitting the addiction. Sustaining that should convince you 100% you have the discipline to accomplish what you want.

[–]innominating6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad you shared.

Your wife shittested you and you used Amused Mastery to pass her test.

You may need to slow your roll on boundaries conversations. Start establishing boundaries with nonverbal communication and by withdrawing attention.

All in all you are on the right track.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's human to enjoy sharing your success with other people. There's nothing wrong with that. We shouldn't take this frame idea so far that we pretend that real alphas are so independent they don't enjoy social interaction.

The shit you need to watch out for is when you're doing stuff you don't want to do to impress others, or if you come across as trying to impress. That's validation seeking, and I don't see that's what you're doing here.

It's like the difference between enjoying something, and being addicted.

[–]gettingmymojobackMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad you shared. As a group we need to share our successes along with the challenges we face.

So many autistic fucks that come here, either don’t do the work or just don’t get it, coming here with the same questions hoping for some magic tricks to fix everything.

After seeing that day in, day out it’s genuinely good to see other guys who just get it and go after it.

Good for you man. Nothing but respect.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s like everything is always on your terms

To whom else's terms should your only finite life be bound?

People are here on Earth to better the individual existences of each other. Spending your time with people who don't understand this puts a man in a situation where he is constantly giving of himself. Regardless of what anyone believes, there is no honor in this.

Is your SO a "value add?" Are You? If the answer to both of these questions is an enthusiastic, immediate, and uncomplicated "Yes" chances are you have a healthy relationship. If you need to search for the value amongst the shit to justify the effort, you're wasting time.

[–]InconspicuousWand[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I sit down and weight the pros and cons out on her. The pros significantly out weight the cons. Even though there are def some there.

Last year if you weighted the pros and cons out on me. I’d have to say it was the opposite. (With in myself at least). Clearly there has always been value there for her when it came to me. But I’m trying to get to a point where it’s undeniable instead of just mental. (Frame, game, manipulation. etc)

[–]innominating2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There may not have always been value there. She may have took you on as a fixer upper. She may have low self worth and think she deserves an addict. She may be living her what she learned from her parents (was her mother or father an addict)?

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Well no wonder you’re uncomfortable look how you’re sitting. (She was slouched down in the couch laying back a little bit) here let me help you with that”

Behold, the power of kino.

We usually talk about it in terms of getting a woman home, or getting the wife to transition from the kitchen into the bedroom. It's also useful to completely change the mood of a woman in a situation like the one you found yourself in.

Good post.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I love you so much and you can’t just say you’ll leave. You’re playing with my heart”

This is a bid for attention, affection and reassurance. The key is to not take her protests seriously. Not that you minimize her feelings but that you show her by your actions that her feelings are not congruent and false.

When we say STFU we DO NOT mean stonewall like and autistic sperg. We mean STFU and SHOW her the reassurance she needs.

Like this!!!!!!!

“Well no wonder you’re uncomfortable look how you’re sitting. (She was slouched down in the couch laying back a little bit) here let me help you with that”

I go over pick her up and place her upright in the couch. She starts cracking up.

Take note fellows. THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY STFU. DON'T ARGUE. DON'T WHINE. DON'T GET UPSET. SHOW HER THAT HER CONCERNS ARE NO BIG DEAL. SHOW HER THAT YOU HAVE GOT THIS AND SHE DOES NOT NEED TO WORRY- unless she does. The idea is to provide reasonable and firm boundaries because it is how you make her feel "safe" and "emotionally connected."

[–]BobbyPeruMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, when she laughs at your A&A for the first few times, it’s a sign of big progress. I remember the first times my wife laughed at my AA...

Now, you have some small comfort tests to deal with. A hug and a kiss on the forehead maybe... just so her hamster doesn’t go nuts. You did kind of drop a bomb on her, so just let her know it’s ok as long as she doesn’t cross the boundary. It’s just hamster management.

Great year for you bro!

[–]SrsWHATISWRONGWITHU0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember the first times my wife laughed at my AA...

Does she not laugh anymore?

[–]RedPillAtNight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She is a control freak and that often comes into conflict with things. She wants things done her way. I want them done mine. We would butt heads and argue about it.

One thing you might try is assign what you want to have happen and let her figure out how to do it. It might not get done how you want it, but pick your battles.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

“it’s not fair. It’s like everything is always on your terms”

That's how life goes.

I try to be a person who's constantly adding value. I try to make the lives of people I choose to interact with better. I only choose to interact with people who make my life better too.

What that means in practice, especially in my relationship, is that I do things for my wife not because they make her happy, but because it makes me happy that she is happy. It's a value add loop.

And if it weren't a value add loop, I wouldn't do it. If blowing up everything is what it takes for me to be happy, let's do it. I'll always be selfish and make sure I'm happy first.

My life priorities:

  1. Happy as individuals.
  2. Happy as a couple.
  3. Happy daughter.

I make exactly zero apologies for being selfish.

“I love you so much and you can’t just say you’ll leave. You’re playing with my heart”

Kind of touched on this theme in this post, but we can replace a couple of words and make it applicable.

I love you enough and respect you enough that if I'm going to have an affair I plan to leave you, I will be sure that you're the first one to know. I guarantee I'll do you that courtesy. I expect you to do the same. Hopefully though, we don't give each other reasons to have affairs do that.

If my wife and I decide our relationship isn't working, and we are happy to split amicably, I am more than happy to pay her out for all the value she's added to our relationship. If it's not amicable, I apparently failed in vetting and I will scorched earth everything.

I love how you dealt with the situation.

[–]EveryGodDamnDayGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If my wife and I decide our relationship isn't working, and we are happy to split amicably, I am more than happy to pay her out for all the value she's added to our relationship

I really dig the frank sense of ownership in this statement.

[–]silversum1Grinding / Dreadful0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What that means in practice, especially in my relationship, is that I do things for my wife not because they make her happy, but because it makes me happy that she is happy. It's a value add loop.

This frame of mind was and is very important to me, I’ve gotten better at internalizing it. Being frankly selfish, owning it, is important for self actualization and the relationship.

[–]ChokingDownRPMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Question for the old pros - Is his "setting boundaries" about sexual frequency not just negotiated desire? I had that discussion ONCE, the frequency picked up big time for about a month, then died back down because she was fucking me out of fear of losing me (and/or my provisioning)... not out of desire.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Weekandsensitive has a good thread about when to stfu. At the end, and I paraphrase, he mentions having a frank conversation with your wife about expectations. But only after you have put in the work and have the frame. At that point, opening your mouth might push your agenda forward.

I think you spoke to soon in your case.

Put in some work and dig up the threads im talking about. They were linked like 5 times last week.

She should always fear losing you. The frequency dropped back down because YOU went back to normal. The extra sex she put out manipulated you back to a point where she was comfortable. You failed.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She should always fear losing you.

Don't know if I'd go that far. Don't think it's about fear of loss. I think that's a negative way to view the situation.

It's about recognizing the continual value add from all parties involved. The constant injection of positive value, where the natural consequence is removal of things that aren't value adds because there are so many things that are!

To me, there's a subtle but very important difference between removal as a matter of course versus removal as a negotiation tactic (i.e. stick). The difference being, I'm not wasting energy looking for reasons to get rid of people and people should never feel that way around me. But if it isn't working or worth the upkeep, then it's not working and there's no reason to invest in the upkeep.

It's like an old car in that sense - where does repair cost outweigh sentiment?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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