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Learned about red pill over a year ago. Then I read a big chunk of the literature that is out there. I got a little frustrated when I didn't see any results, and I gave up for a while thinking it was something that worked for others and not me. I fell back into that harmful thinking of there is just something wrong with how I am wired and no books or strategies can change that.

What I've discovered is actually I am a slow learner, as I am in all things in my life. When I read things, my mind wants to hurry up and embody the images that get painted in my head. When I do not suddenly become amazing overnight, I get disappointed and maybe a bit jealous that it works for others and not me. Even though it didn't feel like things were working, I kept studying about fashion, watches, fishing, etc. Or the things my own father never taught me about. Then I went out and spent some capital on outfits that seemed a little strange to me until I started wearing them. It felt stupid, but then I started getting genuine compliments and great feedback from the women I work with. Of course I cheated a little. I'd go to a store and snoop around until I found something strange like a pair of red pants. Then I'd google 'men's outfits with red pants,' and I'd basically replicate what I saw pop up on pinterest.

I posed a lot and it never felt genuine. I felt like a dork pretending to be a better man. But over time, my attention shifted. I began noticing how other men are dressed. I started looking at men the way women look at men. And while I am not too ugly, but definitely not a looker- I realized that being 'handsome' simply means dressing deliberately. It really doesn't matter if you have a plain or ugly face so long as your hair says something and so do your clothes. To be handsome, you just have to dare to try new styles and learn the simple rules of matching belt to shoes. How to wear certain watches with certain outfits.

Another thing that helped me is I geared my mind to take attention away from women and focus more on myself and other men. Now that I've taught myself about watches and clothing and other things, I find I can talk to other men easier. If you find other purposely-dressed men like yourself, you can comment with some knowledge and experience on their watches or different fashion they might have tried. I was surprised to learn that men actually respond and love talking about this stuff. And each time I talk to a stranger or coworker about it, I gain more knowledge myself.

In the beginning of my transformation, I kept falling down because I didn't see any results from my wife. Actually, things started getting worse. She accused me of spending too much money on clothes. She was surprised when I not only disappeared to the gym, but had a scheduled time to be there that I wouldn't surrender for her no matter what.

Recently, we went on a vacation. We took a few pictures together. though I am just average looking, I have always thought I was ugly (especially in pictures). In these vacation pictures though, the clothes made me look a lot better. It also looked like my wife and I fit together, as she puts some effort into her outfits.

I still get starfish sex mostly, but I am making little bits of progress. She gets jealous when I go out looking nice and smelling nice. The woman who has been bored with me ever since she popped out a kid and I bought her a nice house and car is suddenly having hamster moments again. Getting jealous, to which I respond with a shrug and amused mastery. I also do things like iron my own shirts and clean our bedroom to improve my own domain, not as a longshot bet it will translate to pussy passes later.

For over a year, I thought a lot of this was something that could work for certain types of men. But really, these changes are so big that your brain really needs time for everything to seep in. This is not the matrix; you cannot just plug in and absorb everything in an instant. It was daunting to try to learn about being better physically, conversationally and stylistically. I pushed myself at these subjects until it tired me and I gave up. Then I restarted. One day, things started to click into place.

I am in my 40's. I have never been good enough for my family. I am not good enough for my wife. But it is changing. The key ingredient is that I've begun having more purpose to the things I do and say. And I am slowly beginning to be good enough for myself- which is where it all starts. And I see I can reach in and improve my relationship with my mother- which was always impossible for me.

I have gotten some life-altering advice from complete strangers on Reddit. I am grateful. It really is a long road up from the pits we've accidentally dug ourselves into. If it took me over a year to awaken, I expect it will take two years or more for my wife to awaken to what I have now become.

The biggest criticism I used to have against my wife was that she had gotten too 'comfortable.' But actually, it was me. I thought it was enough to go to work, come home, put on gym shorts and a t-shirt, just relax and get mediocre sex served to me about once a week. I thought it was enough to pile up possessions and pretend I had achieved anything with my life and my mind.

I am better now. Not all my problems are solved, but I have understood the capabilities within myself after a long time of much self-doubt. I never thought I could lift and get in shape with my weak, frail-ass body. I put out the dough to go three months with a personal trainer. $1500. On the second week, I was doing more push ups than I think I'd done in my whole life up to that point.

It can be done. We need other men more than anything.

I am in a happy place, my friends. Don't give up on your own paths. And getting in shape truly is the starting point. Every gripe I had about my father not being there or what he never taught me doesn't matter. Resistance is your father. You doing push ups, you lifting barbells. It's the resistance, and your overcoming of that resistance, that will father you. I haven't gotten buff by any means, but I feel good in my shirts. A woman sitting across from you knows when you feel good in your own shirt and with the clothes you chose.


[–]psychosis202023 points24 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You've made some great progress.

The thing that worries me with your frame still however is that you state that you "get mediocre sex served to me about once a week" and "I still get starfish sex mostly". This is all wrong for me (please bear in mind I am basing this on what you have posted in this one post).

Firstly and again this is something of a myth IMO that people get from TRP/MRP. You can get all your shit sorted and raise your SMV, build the correct frame but it is still your job to initiate and lead in the bedroom, as a man you are responsible for the type of sex that you get. TRP isn't always a recipe that I do all this stuff and I can remain sexually passive and my wife will turn into a wanted slut, porn star or sex slave (some might), especially if she is sexually submissive.

In fact if you don't behave sexually dominant your frame will come off as massively beta as you are demonstrating you don't know how to escalate and capitalize on the attraction built.

What have you done in the bedroom whilst fucking her? Have you grabbed her hair, tried to bite her neck (not to draw blood), hand at back of neck squeeze, tied her arms and blind folded her. Dirty talk about fucking her in public or with curtains open or any fantasy you have etc... Men are more visual, to fuck a women properly use fantasy and engage her mind.

Calibrate and start small but if she is offering her body to you, tell her how you are just going to use her, going to start coming home from work to fuck her etc.. and even if she doesn't respond but doesn't say stop just take what you need.

With my SO I talk about how she is going to watch and play with herself whilst I fuck someone else. I also anchor that with her playing with her clit to orgasm, whilst I fuck her, again calibration is vital try different fantasies. Start small and see what she responds to and then increase. NAWALT with regards to fantasies but she will have them.

It is also important with all of this never to apologise and also never to force but if she says why you grabbing my hair or being rough its not "Sorry..." and stop its carry on and say "It's because you turn me on so much..." if she continues to resist verbally and she isn't into it just stop and try something else. It's far better for her to think your an asshole for your sexual desires than someone who apologises for them.

Apologies if you have tried things like the above but if not the other purpose it will serve is it will play into her jealousy (which is attraction if handled correctly) as why you are now fucking her like this etc...

[–]FatherSonRule4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great pickup from the OP’s post and something I still struggle with myself in terms of leading post SMV increase.

Need to go back and read SGM again, thanks.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100% on this - women still need to be led in the bedroom.

My princess told me last night - "I am not doing it that way. You owe me a good orgasm and I can't that way." I told her I'll fuck her how I want to fuck her and she will cum when I tell her to cum - flipped her over and fucked her hard and she was gushing. Sure as shit first time she ever came that way (with me). She's also the one that says she doesn't like it rough but then goes nuts when I pull her hair - AWALT bro.

You take what you want, push the line a little bit each time and hold frame. Game, set, match...

[–]08Winchester0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a sweet reply to that post. Well done.

[–]servintimeok 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate your well-thought-out reply. You are correct that in my frame, I am still not getting the sex I deserve. While I have been studying and learning much for over a year, I've really only lately started believing in myself enough to start executing things. I judge the last year or so as prep work, and the last two months as the real beginning of me turning my life around and becoming a better man. I would love to pull her hair and lead her, but when I've tried that in the past- I've gotten pushback from her. She tells me she doesn't like it. I feel like I have to keep working on myself and keeping to myself, letting her grow used to the new me for a while. Do you really feel like someone who is just starting to get in shape and fix their mind and style should really start pinning his wife down and pulling her hair? I am hesitant to take it to that level too soon, although... of course I want to!

[–]psychosis20202 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The main thing of swallowing TRP and having frame control is to genuinely not give a fuck. I am by no means an expert but I will give you a illustration recently from my LTR if it helps (also some background so you can calibrate).

Early days (14 years ago when we met) lots of sex usually with alcohol involved but blow jobs were never that plentiful did happen occasionally but prob less than 20 and none for years. TBH I ain't that bothered as I find it hard to come from them anyway and she's got some hangups from ex's in the past forcing them.

She's come off the pill early this year and I sometimes struggle to cum from wearing them so taking to blowing a load on tits or ass. I'd tried going higher and always got pushed back and told not on the face etc....

Over the past 4 weeks or so I've been employing some dread new haircut (she's attracted to skin heads so I've got one but mainly as I suit it and easier for gym / running as train 3 times a day), hitting gym more with weights and going with friends rather than training alone, re-starting martial arts, spending more money on clothes and not buying anything for her (I like shopping and have spoiled her in past), talking about girls at work (one night two of them rang me asking for advice when she was there which was great social proofing for her hamster). I have also been compliance testing her in an alpha way (see my other post).

During this time I have increased sex to twice a week - One important thing for me that I think people to realise with a small amount of dread it's not going to make her waiting for you the door in lingerie or coming home and finding her in the bed spread-eagled.

My SO still pulls her face or rolls her eyes sometimes when I say it's sexy time but you know what I don't give a fuck, I'll just fuck her how I want to. Some women have hangups and you just have to take what you want.

(Apologies for graphic description)

So fast forward to last weekend I was fucking her and got to the point where I knew I wasn't going to be able to orgasm with condom on so I just moved up to her face and carried on no resistance.

Told her to open her mouth she did a little, shoved it inside and was going to face fuck but not that responsive so took it out and told her to "fucking open her mouth wider".

Took a few more commands but then mouth wide open and shot a load in. She gagged and was all apologetic saying sorry about her reaction. I was fine she had complied.

This shows how women's compliance levels are fluid and tied to anxiety / attraction and depending on this you can do things that you have been told no to in past as long as you are confident with it, not having the right frame will work against you.

If she's said no in the past but you've changed frame and behaviours she may be more receptive to hair pulling.

Another trap I think you can fall into

I also think people need to be aware of another trap that seems like the right thing to do, but TBH IMO most of the time isn't. Over the past few months I bought a lot of toys; vibrators, dildos, penis sheaths (to give her big cock experience as I'm average 6 inch).

You read online that you need to give vaginal orgasms to fuck her proper and spend ages doing this, I've even got to the point were she gets that wet it makes it harder for me to orgasm or hold myself back from orgasm and then have to work harder for it (especially with a condom on). I'm also being rough and mind fucking her with dirty talk at same time.

I've come to realise my SO will only actually come from clitoral stimulation, it may be a blended orgasm with me inside her but without clit involvement it won't happen (she can come very quickly this way).

In a LTR or marriage all the ceremony and trying to make her orgasm this way can work against you as whilst they enjoy it you don't want them thinking that every-time you want sex it's going to take 1-2 hours etc... This works against you when initiating as gives them stuff to push back against.

The takeaway from this is a lot of the above is actually fairly beta behaviour you fall into the trap of trying to make the sex better for her so you get more sex.

True Alphas don't give a shit about whether the women enjoys sex and orgasm they pump and dump because they don't give a fuck about the women, as they can move onto the next one. From an evolutionary purpose the less energy invested in spreading his seed the more women he can spread it with as he has the pick.

It's obviously different in LTR or marriage but is something to bear in mind and to be selfish in bed at times and just pump and dump.

(Sorry if a bit rambling but at work hope someone gets something from it - I'm by no means an expert).

[–]psychosis20200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also just to add if you do something sexually that pisses her off and you keep frame and don't fail the shit tests and apologising for your desire it can be a very good thing. If an alpha grabbed her hair and she got pissy would he give a shit? If she starts giving you shit just laugh, cocky and funny or withdraw (not passive aggressively - I would just keep fucking her, have my orgasm and then roll over and go to sleep).

[–]servintimeok 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Those are good insights. I am guilty of making sex too special. Hour of foreplay leading up to long fucking session. Maybe it has put her too much on a pedestal. In a marriage, it's hard to know just how far you can dominate your wife. Like to pull her hair and fun on her face. Might it not build resentment of you are too early in your development of being a better man? I wouldn't want a short term accomplishment now to hinder future progress.

[–]gearsmurf0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can be a bit over cautious at times, part of it is from my career. As I’ve gotten older (35) I’ve learned to be careful and not rush into things as much.

I think you need to stop worrying so much about “building resentment” and probably err more on the side of risk taking as opposed to being cautious.

[–]servintimeok 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm open to this advice, but I feel like I need to reach a better frame with myself before I start making moves like that. I've made a lot of changes in my mind and my outward ways, but it is still too new to her. She doesn't quite realize I have changed. I am not making excuses, but I am wondering how soon into becoming a better man that you started being more risk-taking in the bedroom.

[–]gearsmurf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did it straight away it’s part of the MRP process. I read the sex god method but ignored all the stuff about fantasies and role playing which was not for us. I slowly stopped being a pussy and started being completely honest about what I liked most (pretty much the filthy stuff I’ve seen in porn). She’s said no to a lot and the start, fair enough. But with the self improvement stuff and the dread she started agreeing to more and enjoying it. I stopped hiding my dark side and being more dominant and spontaneous. For me this involves hair pulling, spanking and lots of eye contact.

[–]BarracudaRPMRP APPROVED / Dreadful '197 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am in my 40's. I have never been good enough for my family. I am not good enough for my wife. But it is changing.

I wish I could stand and applaud. "It is changing." This right here is what matters, OP. I also notice that you're not saying "I've changed it" (ego and Rambo) or "I'm going to change it" (bragging about what hasn't been done).

The common expectation is that your transformation will take at least one month for every year that you were married/in the relationship. If you're 12 months in, that puts you either half-way or all the way there. I bring this up because you mention your implementation has been slow, and I suspect that you're holding back a bit. I did. Because I was afraid of my wife's reaction, and nervous about how others would perceive me. Fuck that, and put the stuff from NMMNG into practice.

I felt like a dork pretending to be a better man. But over time, my attention shifted

This has got to be one of my favorite things about RP - the massive fakery involved in growing a pair of balls. It's like going through puberty - I had to pretend to be a man I wasn't, while my body was changing and so were my interactions with women. And at some point, you become those things - and then it's on to the next goal, to fake it till you make it there, too.

It sounds like you're making progress in your attire, which is great. But don't neglect the other aspects of masculinity: the types of things that require you to compete, get dirty, take risks or use the strength you've been building at the gym.

[–]Stellarhit4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good speed to you man, i am rooting for ya!

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a nice gentle fellow, making some progress there. Good one.

Tell me, when was the last time you did something dangerous or stupid? Resistance might be your father but adrenaline is your God.

You need to go Rob a bank or something.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Captain of the HMS Fucktard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we would get along just fine, a spot of tea and good look through some fashion magazines together. My new bff

[–]Cyprian_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A Heist

[–]capn_barnaclesGrinding1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good stuff, nice progress, I like to hear posts like these. It takes time, the key is to keep improving a little every day. I'm 17 months in and not yet at a point where I could honestly write my "1 Year Later" transformation post like many others have. I've come a long way, but have even further to go. Maybe that post will come at the year 2 mark, or maybe year 3.

[–]RedPillCoachMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So umm, what is your workout routine these days?

I kept falling down because I didn't see improvements from my wife.

I think you may have missed the entire point.

I remember when I wrote my Red Belt paper in karate I explained a form that I had memorized and thought I understood. I could do the damn thing in my sleep. But when explained Naihanchi I completely misinterpreted and misunderstood it. The form is all about power and I described it as a smooth and flowing. It is brute force.

Anyway, the point is that you can know something in your sleep and still get it wrong until one day it just comes to you. You finally take the Red Pill.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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