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Lot's of things to learn around this place. Most of it posted around 2015 and the rest is just reiterations of the same advice. There were men who built this bridge for the rest of us. There was a particular individual who coined a phrase for every x years married you require y months of recovery.

Where am I?

Last month it has been three years since I unplugged. That's roughly 36 months and I was married for 15 years when I started. By anyone's calculation it should have taken me what, 45 months? Three months for every year of marriage.

You got guys like /u/[deleted], /u/sorcererking, /u/bluepillprofessor, /u/over60_stupid_loner, /u/strategos_autokrator, /u/sexyshoulderdevil, /u/spexer, and many others like /u/spexer. There are so many people like /u/firetempered, /u/steeltoeshitkicker, and /u/stonepimpletilists that were instrumental to me in my path that I can't even remember all of them. Too many beers and too many slept since then's.

Where did I begin?

Pretty much served divorce papers with no excuse when I returned home from a business trip. Let it roll, signed them, and went to move on with my life. Hit MRP pretty hard to save the marriage and never looked back. She lived in the same house and we were making plans with our lawyers to split up the estate. Pretty simple stuff.

Moving on to her needing a drink to have sex to pretending to have a drink to have sex. Again, this might be murky, its just been so long. I absolutely refused to deal with her unless sex was on the table. All while we were on our break and sorting things outs. A couple of months later she serves me papers cancelling the divorce. She wasn't asked, and to this day she has never been asked why. I know why.

My gym routine isn't near what it used to be. Take notes gentlemen. Don't slack off, the gym for life is the key. Not the gym till you become alpha.

How did I start?

First, I read the side bar unlike many retards who think they can google search their life problems. Then I started SL5x5 for a solid two years. I still to this day don't know which helped more. I lean to the lifting, but the reading was a nice supplement. Came here practically every day to read and post, just trying to pass on the knowledge and gain some edges I didnt knew exist. Spent the money on the SGM and put it to great effect.

Fast Forward, Where I am.

Today was maybe the first day I had the realization of turning the corner. Things had been adding up, the whirlwind, the rp concepts, and just putting myself first in everything. Realizing that if I was doing ok, that was the most important for those around me. Especially the Outcome Independence that I truly achieved. Learning from other women that I was the prize, something to be valued. Chasing women and buses only makes you tired and you will always be left behind. No longer did worry about what the wife thought, the girlfriend thought, the chick at the bar last weekend thought. It simply didn't matter, there would be plenty of others.

Yesterday I had an epiphany when the wife told me she likes when I ask to her help me. For years I looked at disdain on her not willing to just pitch in like I did. The sex has been amazing for a solid year now, on demand, whatever I want no questions asked. Shit tests, hell even comfort tests are practically non-existent. Don't get me wrong, they come and go without more than a passing thought. The fight over me controlling all of the finances is now just routine for me to handle all of the expenditures. She wanted sex this morning, she initiated, and she swallowed like she has done for over a year now. Can't tell you the last time I was inside her.

She actively comes to me for advice, leadership, and just expects that I am making all the decisions and choices. Even for dinner she just asks me where we are going. It's no longer the rigmarole of where we are going. It just doesnt happen. The huge knock down blow out fight over buying 2% instead of 1% milk isn't even on the table. Accidentally bought the 85% instead of the 90% hamburger is now just a we make do type of thing. Yeah, I literally even grocery shop and cook when I am home.

Turning the Corner

After years of controlling everything and even counseling my VP's against the very same concept. I have realized I can trust her now to delegate work to her. She wants to step up, she has earned her right to step, and through all of the denials and dismissals she is still stepping up. Quite a different woman than I married. The very one who gladly openly rebelled against me. Spoiled brat to devoted wife and family matriarch. Maybe the three months for every year is just a rule of thumb.

Much like my MRP journey, my journey of turning her into my first officer will be the same pace as before. Perhaps with a little more carrot than stick this time.

Hang in there, the light at the end of the tunnel isn't the train so just keep your foot on the gas and nevermind them brakes.


[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the bridge, young friend.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, with you and /u/weakandsensitive holding down the fort, we couldn't ask for better.

[–]weakandsensitive4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Good to see you executed on what we talked about in IRC 2+ years ago. Good on you for putting in the time and seeing the rewards.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks, it took awhile to sink in and you know how these things are.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

<3

I am so happy for you.

Life doesn't change. It is always personal choice.

[–]SteelToeShitKicker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, are there actually people on the mrp IRC? I think I checked in once or twice (long time ago) and there was nobody there.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two years ago, for a bit. Bogey tried, but it was mostly dead because most men tried to do work.

Ppd and rpw were always jammering away

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It only took three years, owning your shit through a hurricane, and the blowjob crisis of 2017, to have a woman's deference.

We do warn this is Hard Mode.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the blowjob crisis of 2017

Dark times, indeed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I forgot all about that post. Good times....

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

blowjob crisis of 2017

Lol, link?

Edit: Found it

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, you and /u/RuleZeroDAD just arent going to let that post go are you? Had I been a smarter man, I would edit my post history ;)

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I like it. For some reason guys come on to askmrp and look for a sales pitch to convince them why they should "take the pill", as if we give a fuck what they do. That post is probably as close to a sales pitch that they are going to get. In-fact, that is now my response to questions like that.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m going to read this post regularly as I deal with my own “haven’t been blown in 5 years and wife says she hates it” crisis

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Make something a goal, add a date. Resources and time magically appear to help you reach it. As usual, careful what you wish for.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make something a goal, add a date. Resources and time magically appear to help you reach it. As usual, careful what you wish for.

I feel like BJs, for us, are placed right a long some kind of relational fault line.

It's a trigger for her in a lot of ways - and obviously for me as well. Hits both of our insecurities about our sex life, and represents (in our minds, anyway) some kind of major reorganization of power. That's the sense I get.

All that to say - definitely making it a goal. But expecting a long-term struggle over it.

[–]gettingmymojobackMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No different than the gym, weights that were once heavy become light.

You were one of the first posters that guided me and along with the other men here have built and added to the bridge the rest of us have crossed.

I had a similar epiphany recently that almost two years in I still feel like every month I’m “just turning the corner” as my life continues to move in the direction I wish it to.

I came here to save my marriage as well and was slapped upside the head into realizing that it was ME that needed fixing. I’ve put my foot down and never looked back. The marriage somehow fixed itself. My relationship with my wife is constantly improving, month after month....and all I’ve done is focus on me.

I’m still just turning the corner.....don’t expect to ever find what’s around the other side other than the next bend in the road.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People gravitate towards a leader. A true leader. The fakers are the followers who the wife chose but now are mad when they aren't leaders.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nice pull on the poem.

Can't tell you the last time I was inside her

Are you saying it is no longer a momentous occasion? Agreed if so, just clarifying.

The huge knock down blow out fight over buying 2% instead of 1% milk isn't even on the table.

Isn't it amazing how much things can change? I didn't come from as bad a place as 90% here, but still literally cringe when I think of some of the stupid shit that went on. So fucking embarrassing...

Hang in there, the light at the end of the tunnel isn't the train so just keep your foot on the gas and nevermind them brakes.

One major piece of advice I have for others is that it is always darkest before the dawn, and to keep pushing through. There was definitely a crescendo of sorts in terms of speed and severity of shit-tests and comfort tests. Also, I believe the "main event" doesn't have to be a fuck you or fuck me moment, it is more like an inflection point where things start to click and the momentum shifts. It may or may not involve a fight. Mine did not. It was more like a surfer paddling quickly to get onto a wave, the hardest point is right near the end, where once I got to the top things changed rapidly, the daily grind stopped and it was time to enjoy the ride.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We build a cadence, and as we go forward to breaking the yoke placed on us. We simply cannot let the desires of others dictate our momentum. Yep, and that includes MRP. It's easy to go to the OYS thread and break down what you want and let others help you. It's acceptable to a point. Then you see a user like /u/leftandred come along and expect to be spoon fed never realizing that it doesn't work. Live your life for you.

You are right on the main event and you have to realize many of us, including me, live through that event. Others like to go right for the throat, and many like us decide to circle our prey waiting for them to attack. Mine was a simple righting of the ship as it were.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I appreciate the sentiment. However I have toppled quite a few who thought they could be the only source of guidance they needed. I, like Trump, will always ask the advice of those around me before I take measure and make my decision.

I ask for thoughts, not to be spoon fed.

If you never ask others for guidance or their opinions, then you are making a mistake. “I see further only because I stand on the shoulders of giants.” Isaac Newton.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you a retard?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Quite a different woman than I married. The very one who gladly openly rebelled against me. Spoiled brat to devoted wife and family matriarch. Maybe the three months for every year is just a rule of thumb.

as you mentioned; getting the sex you want is really the less hard part as compared to getting the woman you want. glad to see it can be done.

so by your math, i have 30 months to go still. that works out to my son's senior year. huh.....

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I always thought one month per year of marriage seemed too optimistic

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The farther you fall, the longer it takes to dig out of the hole. My whole life, I made lemonade out of everything. I had almost 20 great years with current SO. I fell far and hard. I took me a long time to just to assess and believe the situation for what it was. Without the brothers here, I would be just another angry fat old fart, instead of a happy thin old fart. Yes, 3 months per year, then add a cushion.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Angry and not even sure why.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Math is math. Let's hope there isn't another three years to go. You been around here almost as long as me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Math is math

..and $20 is $20. ;)

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

OMG! Post history sanitizing must begin.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No way! Hanging our early stage retardation out for public view gives the noobs hope.

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is important. MRP is not very old, and we are all part of a social experiment here whether we like it or not. We have no idea what doing what we're doing will yield long term. We think we know, but even cobbling together our first-hand experiences with the models of our fathers and grandfathers is simulation and extrapolation. Just our turn, or secret formula of the ancients to forge order from chaos and civilization from savagery?

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Interesting to see how our paths all differ, and glad to see that you are enjoying your life. Women are fascinating creatures and for me they are almost entirely reactive. Women lack any original thoughts, indeed I suspect they do not think at all. A woman only “thinks” in the same way that a parrot talks. My girl asked me this morning, “what are you thinking?”. I then asked her what she was thinking, she said “I am wondering what you are thinking”. This made me realise that women have no thoughts any more than a parrot has language, they are faking it. Hence your wife learning to behave like a proper mother and wife. She is simply a liquid in need of a container or a light bulb in need of electricity. You project your desires into her and she becomes them. It is the essence of frame.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I embarked on a new investment earlier this year. It is a bit unconventional. She tried to shit test, I passed, then no mention of it for a while. A bit later she wasn't interested in how it is doing, and I never bring it up, but has a couple of times mentioned how she is concerned it might fail, I tell her it is fine and I've got it under control. She is generally risk averse (like most women), so she is uncomfortable with it, but I hold up fine to any shit testing.

Cut to not long ago when at her work some people were aware of it, started talking in a group about how cool it is, asked her if it was her idea, etc. Of course she told them it was all me. The next day she was telling me about how I was really smart to do this thing and how much she trusts me...

Lesson 1: With women, it is "what have you done for me lately"
Lesson 2: The opinion of you to her peers is everything. One minute I'm mister risky investor, the next minute she is skipping home from work because her peers are impressed by something I did.
Lesson 3: You are the captain, follow your own path, answer only to yourself. Lesson 1 then 2 can turn into lesson 3 if it ends up failing. Which is why you should put no stock in what she says, she is a reflection of you. If you get all down and out because an investment fails then she will follow suit.
Lesson 4: She cares more about showing you off then showing off herself. Be someone she can show off. She could have told people it was her idea, but she got more satisfaction by sending a shot across the bow to other women that her husband is tops.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You may have made a mistake here. She is the master of overt communication.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She is the master of overt communication.

Are you referring to Mrs. Bogeyd6?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what you're saying is...women are zombies?

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Zombies eat brains.

[–]redbeaux 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm a musician. Every year or so I look back. Things I used to struggle with that I can now do with ease. Feels good to look back and see how far I've come. I'm also excited/challenged to grow even more in the coming years. Cheers to you and all you added to this community. You've helped more than you'll know.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We aim to please.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hit MRP pretty hard to save the marriage and never looked back

Highly contentious yet i am sure what 90% of folk here are trying to do. Any commentary isolating the 'you' from the 'you two' in the turn around across time? 1000ft rope etc?

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As you can read from my post history I made all the mistake there were to make. Hell, I even made new mistakes people didn't even realize exist. I like to say in my private life that there are levels of retardation most people dont even realize.

Pivotal moment for me was reading NMMNG and adopting the Trumpster's advice of me first. I was the nice guy. Take the 1000ft rope and put it in the closet. No need to give her anything. My advice, work on being attractive as you can be and go out there and game women. You can never ever be the best copy cat, you will never be the best /u/weakandsensitive but you can be the best /u/simbarlion you can be. As far as outside validation seeking can be, when you get to the right place its the best you can get for that part. Say what you will, but a strange woman willing to give you a go can do wonders for your progress.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take the 1000ft rope and put it in the closet. No need to give her anything. My advice, work on being attractive as you can be and go out there and game women.

I think you are right. The 1000ft rope splits your attention. Makes saving the marriage the goal...wrong goal.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is how it’s done. Good work highlighting the importance realizations and turning points. You’ve been an influential man here for me.

Edit: another analogy I like to use is that not only is it like turning a corner, but a long gradual corner.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you very much.

[–]wildnight98Well on his way0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for posting this. I'm currently in the throes of the power struggle over full control of the finances. Your post is encouraging.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Realize its not a struggle for you.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Likewise, you are one of the key figures in the list of men who influenced me when I stumbled upon this locker room. I think we are always turning a corner. It's part of moving forward, because life keeps throwing obstacles at us. My plan requires 30 months at BPP's minimum and 90 your rate. Reality is that we're never finished.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats the truth right there. The job is over when we are dead. My 3:1 might be a little conservative, but I didn't write my progress to sell books either. I take a no bull shit assessment based on my experience and the perceived experience of those around me.

[–]ShangoRaijin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Impressive field report. Glad to see that your marriage is thriving.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I say this without lying... reading your post brought a few tears to my eyes and hope to my heart. Thank you for sharing.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are welcome. Hang in there, it gets better or you get divorced. At least no one lied to you.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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