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47/M two-year transformation story (self.marriedredpill)

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[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read that yesterday. That man gets it

[–]2gunsgetsomeMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Instead of everyone immediately getting hung up on the details of the path he chose, can we not focus on the fact that the man saw a problem with himself, made a choice, took action, and stuck with it. According to his own standards, his life is better.

Well done /u/NotMeAtAll2091

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Crabs in a bucket.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

amen brother, my thought exactly.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great pics. I question the use of so much juice to get there, i.e. PED, HGC, TRT, and HGH. Not for me, but you do you.

The results are really great though. Hope the squeeze is worth the risks of all that juice.

[–]Trtntrenbrah3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don’t get all the moaning about his TRT protocol with GH, very standard.

Dude put in the work and it shows.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just be yourself ...

No, not like that

Apply that meme to his MAP

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bloody inspiring!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Id be curious where he was to begin. 47 year olds are in mid 500s naturally. I guess if you inject you may as well go to high end of range for the benefits.

Looking at his photos, I dont think I could get that big without help and more food and rest.

As far as whether it's worth it, its a personal decision and I dont begrudge a man for any gear but I'm not likley to use of not necessary

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

OP here.

I was around 250 as I recall, but I don't remember for sure. It was "low" and I had plenty of symptoms of Low T.

I had dropped 50 pounds by then and was living a healthier lifestyle, but was still addicted to Paxil and Skoal.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So just curious as 250 is about 50% of normal...why do you maintain 800+? Not that I would know the right level

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Time to relook the diet. fuck

[–]Horton2131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well done!

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

OP here... I made every effort to be honest in my post so it would speak for itself. I knew it would be polarizing because of PEDs.

I'll admit I'm looking forward to hearing from you guys and I welcome your honest thoughts and opinions, even if you don't agree with my methods.

I've been a fairly quiet lurker here for over a year now..

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Mod here.

I made every effort to be honest in my post so it would speak for itself. I knew it would be polarizing because of PEDs.

Who cares what the masses think?

If the crabs think you're full of it - so what?

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Nah it's all good man. I think I have something in common with most of the people here, even if they don't agree with me on everything. I could post this exact same story over on the steroids subreddit, and guess what? Some of them would shit all over me for being a red piller LOL.

And I wouldn't be butthurt about that either.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think or worry about people who don't matter.

You did right by yourself. All that matters.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck all the guys ITT who 1 don’t have your body and 2 are using your use of minimal PEDs to crab bucket you.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's single minded focus. When everyone jerks each other off about hardship on one hand, then berate someone for doing just that, you can tell they don't want to be a man, they want to feel like one.

Your story isn't special... well it is, but only if you're part of the lower 80% that guys are so scared of being.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I've got mixed feelings all over this.

TBH I wonder where's the difference between this and a fat fuck getting a gastric bypass operation.

Good for him that he went the "raise the T levels" route, he's wiser, more decisive, looks better, etc, etc.

On the other hand, injecting oneself is... IDK if it's worth it. Of course, of course, dude had legit medical condashun, I'm not even touching that. Just my .25.

8 months of TRP, good.

Still wanting that external validation?

On the other hand, how else would many of you looser depressed your-own-meat-beating fat fucks know that you can improve?

IDK about this dude. I hope he does fine, of course. But will he do fine in the long term? IDK.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I am not suffering in the T department.... I have the T levels of a raging bull. Last month's test had me in the 900s. And I am 44.

Besides I know too much to use supplements. To get as ripped as he is it's all diet.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yeeesh. I just got mine tested and was around 396.

I find test stuff super confusing. I’ve read stuff from apostles of aTRT, who tout testosterone as a miracle that has no possible downsides and everyone who says there is a downside just doesn’t know their stuff.

And I’ve read things by people who claim the health risks (like death) are significant, the benefits questionable, etc.

Like so much health related stuff on the internet, it comes down to: “which set of cited studies, which I don’t understand, do I accept, and from which group?”

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I am only a paramedic so if you have a pulse and are breathing there's not much I can do for you /u/ex_addict_bro appears to be a real doc.

all I can say is injections up the level and YOUR body can't handle it. IMO biology is kind of a messy science. Like Chemistry. I can jack someone with morphine no pain. Same dosage same weight and another patient won't have any effect.

Bro will correct me but I think there is a level of YOUR biology being able to handle the sudden increase in T. Of course like I said i am just a medic.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This is the basic principle that makes me very skeptical about many folks proclaiming TRT (not referring to anyone in this thread, but rather folks selling books and so on)

Anything that provides benefit can also cause harm. Fuck, people die from ASPRIN overdoses all the god damn time. Not to mention the secondary, downstream effects....but who knows, I may just be paranoid.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

....meanwhile, every doctor in the country will throw a cocktail of hormones at any girl who has had her first period.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

True. But I would assume (but don’t actually know) that there are long term studies on the effects of BC. Drop in libido, for example, is well known, if not actually marketed.

TRT reminds me a lot of keto - very promising, seems cool, but what do we really know about the long term effects?

Where are the centenarians who’ve been on TRT (or keto for that matter)? The epidemiological studies?

Counter argument: you can hamster yourself out of pretty much anything this way.

[–]2ndal2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is a lot of people go on TRT when they don't really need it. You're borderline low, but in my opinion not low enough to commit to a lifetime of shots. You're in the range where I would focus on natural ways of increasing it.

I was diagnosed with hypogodanism. My T levels were barely 100. Replacement therapy, for me, was not "very promising" or "seems cool" but was quite literally life-altering.

There are negative side effects to nearly everything—especially when abused. For me it was a choice of the negative side effects of having extremely low levels of testosterone versus the side effects of supplementing to bring my levels to the normal range. I had (still have) no doubt in my mind the right course of action.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that makes total sense. Part of the confusion is how people throw out what your numbers "should" be.

I'm already pursuing natural methods (some supplements - for low vitamins, not for T specifically - as well as working on improving my sleep) so we'll see what happens in a few months.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are borderline I don't love the idea of taking partially working testosterone production and killing it completely. Shots forever sounds shitty.

[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shots forever sounds shitty.

Yeah, no kidding. I had trouble just getting through a week of finger pricks as I was testing my blood glucose levels...

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My understanding is that only happens for the guys boosting to 2-3k levels of T.

In fact, TRT usually maxes out at 1k, or a natural 20 year old.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

My and my ol lady went in the same day to get blood work done (with the assumption of treatment to fix any gaps)

She got hers rubber stamped. I got a 10 minute lecture on how I was gonna kill myself.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Kill yourself how?

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ever watch 'reefer madness'?

Like that, but with testosterone.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

reefer madness

Never heard of it, just checked out the Wiki.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gentlemen, this man is not lying about his profession. This is exactly the type of bro science id expect from a paramedic. I’ve had my fun time in EMS, so I can confirm.

I’m not an endocrinologist and I’m pretty far from doing anything with hormones, unless you have phaeochromocytoma or hyperthyroidism. Won’t help.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boos and band aids.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

OP here. Your T levels are higher than mine post-TRT lol

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

heh.

I can lift heavy 7 days a week and not get fatigued other than diet. The issue is always injury. After a number of repeated cycles of injury. I got a coach to rein me in and keep on a good path.

It's the daily grind.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm sure if I had a coach I could be doing alot better. At first I had shoulder problems, probably due mostly to bad form. I learned to retract my scapula, and eventually dropped barbell presses for dumbbells, plus a ton of stretching and lat raise volume and other stuff. Now my shoulders are my strong suit.

Been battling elbow tendenitis for a while now, and playing basketball has my groin hurting near constantly. Still trying to figure those two out.

Always working around something it seems....

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I am with you on this. I got my T tested and was also in high ranges. I decided not to take the path of injecting, using TRT, HGH etc. my doctor (who I trust) said take your pick, heart attack from steroids or cancer from HGH. I don’t rely on muscles to attract women, for me that is a younger guys game (yes I lift before anyone asks). Taking shit that far is not for me, I don’t need the validation. I have been swimming in pussy for the past 5 years and I am more interested in pursuing goals other than validation.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Youre not boosting to 3k/dl like a bodybuilder. 1k is supposed to be a healthy level for men. Your doctor is talking "reefer madness". I'm not knowledgeable about pet and high though, your doctor has me there.

Honestly, it's safer than taking a pill and pretending you're pregnant every month.

Op was extreme, I'd take those risks over diabetes personally...

Plus, considering I'm in the 800s naturally, I don't think his trt was a big deal

[–]88Will88 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I am in the 700s and I am well over 40. He said I would be mad to take it. I trust the guy, he is a good doctor.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck. Wish I had tested at 20, would have been good to know

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your Dr is a faggot ass bitch.

LVH is such an over blown thing in the community. I am sick of ignorant people saying this shit. Rich Piana was not the fucking poster boy norm of juicers.

Get a new Dr. if you don’t want to take TRT fine.

OP fuck all the guys ITT for bashing you for taking TRT and GH.

You still put in the work to get where you are now.

[–]NotMeAtAll2091 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

OP here. Fair assessment...

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t get me wrong. I think you did good both for yourself and this subreddit. It is way better and faster road to recovery from betadom than mine. I remember I paid about 3K to a snake oil female “coach” for 6 months program of spiritual recovery once. Guess why, gym worked way way better. But I digress.

Time will show if and how fast will you slip into the old ways. Time will show if you will ingest the theory given here. Also I’d be more interested in your field report when you decide to go off hrt- how much muscle mass will be lost and how fast will you be back to normal... if ever.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fucking incredible. I kept looking at the before and after pics trying to see if it’s really the same guy.

[–]ChadsLeftNut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was deleted, is there another way to access it?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I find the usage of so many PED questionable to say the least. Just keep in mind these drugs carry long term risks OP, especially in time when you have to add in AI. If you ever do get in trouble for whatsoever reason, the chance of your natural production starting up again is low, there are studies out there shown that men never fully bounce back, and they walk around low T and libido issues...

Having natural levels pre TRT in the 800 is way above the average guy, OP is pretty much messing up up his normal above average endocrine system

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Man - how do you go through life being such a cliche? One glance at your post history and it's everything I'd expected from a guy who would write your post. It's really sad.

I hope you don't buy into the bullshit that being a pussy is the new normal.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Im not denying I need allot of work, and yes, you can straw man all you want. It does not take away from my arguments.

Having higher then average T values, and then using artificial testosterone to screw up your healthy/normal endocrine system is a recipe for disaster when things go south.

Im not saying this to take away from OP, I applaud his hard work. Just want him to be aware of the risks involved, thats why I said its questionable:

Former AAS abusers exhibited the highest frequencies of participants with depressive symptoms (24.2% (11.1; 42.2)), erectile dysfunction (27.3% (13.3; 45.6)) and decreased libido (40.1% (23.2; 57.0)) compared with the other two groups (trend analyses: P < 0.05 for all three parameters) (Fig 6, S2 Table). Former AAS abusers had a lower score on the SF-36 questionnaire with respect to ‘energy/fatigue’ (58.9 (4.3)) than the control group (73.5 (2.6)) and current AAS abusers (69.2 (4.5)) indicating former AAS abusers exhibited significantly more pronounced fatigue symptoms than their counterparts (P < 0.05).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4988681/

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It does not take away from my arguments.

But it does wreck your credibility to the point no one pays attention to what you're saying - nullifying your argument without addressing any of it.

Also - do you really think cherry picking statistics from studies that already agree with you is convincing? I did that for 3 years during my Ph.D.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it does nullify, thats why the strawman fallacy is used so often, it works good, as you have demonstrated so clearly.

Your second paraghrap is an assumption, an incorrect one by the way. I always had a neutral/positive stance towards PED, still kinda have. But if you have some study showing otherwise I would love to see it. Yes as with any study there are methodological issues. The effect sizes however are pretty big, they are on to something I fear. I was hoping the damage from AAS wasnt permanent.

Anyway, atleast this way OP knows about the potential risk involved, people are suffering with side effects and need to take this seriously before they start ravaging their (normal/healthy) and very fragile endocrine system. Not sure what you are gaining by trying to shit on that message.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure what you are gaining by trying to shit on that message.

You think the message "PEDs are bad mkay" is novel? Really?

Keep living in fear, but be a pussy elsewhere.

Sidenote:

But if you have some study showing otherwise I would love to see it. Yes as with any study there are methodological issues.

Feel free to do your own research. I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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