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Long before I learned about TRP and MRP I used this metaphor to help me manage my relationships and to help friends of mine who were struggling to gain control of theirs.

Some of you may be at least somewhat familiar with it by now, as I've repeated some core parts of it many times in my replies, but if you haven't it goes like this:

By nature, men are lions, and women are lion tamers. Women LOVE wild, unpredictable, independent, self sufficient, powerful, unruly, dangerous lions. They're obsessed with catching them and taming them.

So they offer them juicy red meat (pussy) to lure them into a cage (LTR/marriage), and then feed them a steady diet of it until they become loyal and dependent. It's so easy to get red meat inside that cage--why would the lion ever leave?

Over time a lion's loyalty begins to overcome his rationality. He loves the lion tamer. Even if sometimes she forgets to feed him. I mean, she always feeds him eventually. Even though it's only one kind of meat, and frankly, he's getting kind of bored with it. He really misses the variety that the wild provides, but the lion tamer told him that if he leaves the cage and eats anything else, she'll get mad and his gravy train will stop. So he fights his natural urges and repeats to himself over and over that this meat is all he needs. It's safe, it's fairly reliable. No reason to risk that.

Sometimes he has to perform tasks for the lion tamer in order to get fed. But they're not very big tasks. Not like leaving the cage and trying to hunt again. And it's been so long since he last hunted, does he even remember how? In fact, he's gotten pretty out of shape since being in there, even if he knew how would he even be fast enough to catch any food? But he knows he can do those tasks though. So no problem. He'll just keep doing that.

But as time goes on, he notices that doing them doesn't always result in being fed. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. And frankly, the quality of the meals has really dropped. Not only are they infrequent and unreliable but they're bland and dry. It doesn't even taste that good. Sure some of that is because he's used to it but he can tell when a meal takes effort and when it doesn't. She's not even tenderizing it anymore.

So the lion starts to get angry and starts to roar at the tamer. But that only seems to make things worse. So in desperation the lion starts searching for ways to please her--tries to crack the code. He does everything she asks, and even things she doesn't. But his meals remain so sporadic and unpredictable he can never get his bearings and develop a rational plan for securing his food. So he just tries everything every day all the time and hopes for the best. She's become like a volcano goddess and all he can do is grovel and pray.

Until one day the lion wakes up and he sees that while he slept, another cage has been constructed during the night right next to his and his tamer is with another lion inside, giving him all the juicy, tender, deep-red meat he wants (she even lets the lion fuck her in the ass).

He roars at the other lion, he roars at the lion tamer, but she merely glances at him in contempt and tells him to get lost. So he leaves. Stunned, hurt, humiliated, angry, and hungry, he's forced to hunt again but his muscles are weak, his senses are dull, and his memory of how to survive in the wild is faint.

And so off he goes to rebuild himself again, if he can.

So what did the lion do wrong?

Should he not have taken her juicy red meat in the first place?

We all know what the MGTOW incels would say.

Should he have taken the meat but refused to ever enter her cage?

We all know what the 19 year old sages and jaded divorcees on the main sub would say.

But you and I know that hunting gets exhausting. We all remember what it was like. Sure it felt great to make a kill, and sometimes you make a big kill and it feeds you for several days in a row, or you get on a roll and make several kills in a week and so you're flyin high for a while.

But waking up day after day, week after week, month after month, goin out, drinking, partyin, textin, tinderin, over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

It's fucking exhausting.

Plus you wanted to live forever and thus you wanted to have kids.

And you knew that being married was the best way to raise those kids.

And you may even have been prescient enough to know that there are quite a few other social and economic benefits to being married that you wanted to obtain.

And yet, because of the red pill we know the risks that LTRs and marriages present.

So are we just fucked?

I have learned for myself that the answer to that is no.

Women invest a lot of time and effort to get a wild lion into a cage with them. And the more we invest in something, the more we value it and the more forgiving of it we will be.

We love things that are difficult to obtain. Women love men because they are unruly and disobedient and confident and horny and independent and it takes a lot of work to capture their attention and to keep it.

Likewise they despise that which comes easy to them. If a man is attentive and available and helpful and obedient and well-mannered and faithful, where the fuck is the fun in that? What happened to their wild lion?

You know, when you swing from one branch to another, you first have to feel you've got a good enough grip with one hand to let go with the other in order to make the leap. Pretty hard to do that if you can barely hang on with two, right?

And yet you're surprised when she branch swings, Mr. yes ma'am-goodie-two-shoes-faithful-husband-good-christian-daddy-man?

You never go out with the boys. Never work out. Never cheat. Never flirt. Never even look. And apologize or DEER when you do. Eat whatever she puts in front of you, however much she puts in front of you. No interests. No hobbies. No talents. No muscles. No friends. No confidence. No backbone. Come straight home after work. Never take more than 3 seconds to text back. Ask her permission to do things. Never lead. Ask her where she wants to eat. Where she wants to sit. What movie she wants to see. If she feels like hanging out with friends that weekend or not. Ask her what YOUR calendar looks like that week, and every week.

I can practically hear your wife fucking your neighbor right now.

She wants a wild lion. No matter what she SAYS after you get married, that's what she wants. AWALT.

And believe it or not, you probably used to be one. Get back to that, and you'll be just fine.


[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a hankering for steak...

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Awesome. Saved.

You forgot the scenario where the lion breaks out of the cage in frustration over lack of meat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

trying to decide if i should buy your username..

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't tell u/weakandsensitive , but i also have simbarlion2 for when i inevitably get banned.

[–]DatingCoach1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m going to be a contrarian here but something about this post rubs me the wrong way. It’s well written and I understand the point that is being conveyed… I just disagree with the premise. Maybe it's the notion of a cage, maybe that it is because the lion is completely in the tamer's frame the entire time, or maybe because it's just so damned pessimistic.

First, marriage shouldn’t be a cage. If you think your marriage or LTR is a cage, then get out. It’s that simple. Don’t trade your freedom for a cage, ever. Marriage, to use this analogy, should be more like a lion finding a lioness that is an excellent hunter and assists the lion in achieving his vision for them. They can do more together than either one can do on their own. She doesn’t take away from his life and isn’t a one trick pony but rather adds value in key, substantial ways. Fresh meat in a cage? Screw that… they can take down a water buffalo together and then screw like crazy afterwards.

Men who see marriage or LTRs as a cage would do themselves and any potential partners a big favor if they would just grow a pair and be honest with themselves. They don’t want to be in a relationship and that is ok. Don’t conform to society’s demands or impressions. Make it clear with the women you date that you are looking for casual relationships only. Have enough integrity with yourself to avoid sacrificing something important to you for momentary pleasure. That’s what manhood is about.

Second, the story is all about the lion tamer. The lion is dependent on her, looks for her attention and affection, and relies on her to meet his needs. That’s about as beta as it gets. So what… the lion should lift weights and remain wild and aggressive while staying in the cage so she will keep feeding him steak? Talk about a covert contract. Screw that. The lion needs to find his own mission, focus on that, and then engage with the lionesses that he encounters on that mission. Screw the tamer and her needs. Screw being focused on her. That’s weak.

Third, practice some outcome independence and this story goes from being pessimistic to optimistic. The lion should keep being a damned lion. Figure out what you want, figure out how to get it, and then execute. The lionesses that come along for the ride are the ones you are looking for. The tamers that ask to put you in a cage are usually damaged goods or just messed up mentally. That doesn’t mean that the lionesses won’t fitness test you. Of course they will because they want to make sure that you are (still) strong enough to lead them. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s part of the game.

At the end of the day, find a woman that makes your life and your mission better. And then screw her brains out at every chance you get.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

enjoyed this story a lot robert. for the lion and lioness it's a nearly complete explanation of the dynamic; and one that i have seen played out in my life from every conceivable angle good, bad, and ugly. i really only take exception to one line for these cats:

Over time a lion's loyaltycomplacency/sloth begins to overcome his rationalityown best interest.

i'm sure for some your explanation is accurate. for the majority of lions though; it's just good old fashioned "i've made it" complacency and laziness.

other than that it's the best allegory for betaization i have read. it also explains why i never got close to a dead bedroom. to some extent, i never stopped being wild . . . largely due to being very selfish and having an anti-authoritarian streak a mile wide.

i only think you miss the mark with this statement:

She wants a wild lion. No matter what she SAYS after you get married, that's what she wants. AWALT.

any woman worth having is a lioness and demands a lion. however, i'm convinced their are a LOT of women out there (the older the more common) that don't want a lion. too much work and a lion might hurt a girl. plenty of basic bitches out there that just want a paycheck and to finger fuck their phone.

(https://www.reddit.com/user/Sl0wRideTakeItEasy) also nails it in that lot of dudes where never lions to begin with.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t agree to go into any tamer’s cages unless there’s no door. Maybe you never have to leave the cage, but the tamer knows you can whenever, if you desire. She’ll give you the good cuts then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah i adjusted the story for that exact thing. in my mind the cage had a wide open door but i left that detail out when i wrote it down.

and really, it can't NOT have a door. what kind of human relationship doesn't have an open door? LTRs and marriages both do, they're both at-will arrangements. but somehow it's a cage nonetheless. if for nothing else to signal to others that there IS an arrangement of some sort, whether legal or otherwise.

[–]Neoduder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post pretty much sums up MRP in it's entirety, and has provided clarity to me in a big way. Double saved!

[–]crimson_chris1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice story.

I have had a bit if a slump lately. My libido is shit. Passion and variety of sex have dropped off a bit ( my fault). I was about to start fucking the wife last night. I try to roll her over and she says "I' tired of missionary. Don't you have some positions from the porn you watch?".

It was funny. I have not watched porn in almost a year. In the past she has joked about how I liked "kinky sex" and our "marathon" sex session were too much for weekdays (but okay for weekends). Now this same woman is complaining about variety (which is fair).

My scenario and this story 100% confirms that fuck what she says - women want the lion. Many times they are just to embarrassed to admit it. And I an getting my T checked.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This "lion" has always been a house cat, pretending to be something greater than himself. He considered himself lucky when the neighborhood alleycat got tired of putting in the work to attract the real lions and decided to settle for the overstuffed house cat that provides 3 squares and a cot.

 

Tiger Striped house lion raises some black and white kittens and thinks "hmm, that's odd. I should next this pussy. But fuck it lioning is hard. I'll just make the best of my fucked up situation and still call myself a lion to stroke my ego."

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I like me some red meat and a nice chianti.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you still hear the screaming Clairese?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The movie, while good, pales in comparison to the book. As usual.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

hey faggot i saw what you wrote the first time. don't change it cause SSS made a joke about steak and you wanna fit in

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Weak frame bro.

Go write so more faggot poetry.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think SSS is single. you want me to pass him a note for you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can practically hear your wife fucking your neighbor right now

Best line ever.

[–]DeplorableRay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg. I love a good story. Kudos.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Serial monogamy

[–]wtg2989-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

"Never cheat, never flirt." Are you suggesting a married man should cheat? I get the rest but that part gives me pause

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

i always suggest that

[–]wtg29890 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

New to this sub. Came from around the corner. So is cheating the MO around here?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

it's not. i'd like it to be. i think it ought to be. but no

[–]wtg29890 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a great way to lose half your stuff

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

it would be for a lot of guys

[–]wtg29890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So the idea is that you cheat secretly or openly?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

either. the key is to hold frame when she flips out on you for it. WISNIFG can really help with that. i hadn't read it at that time but it would have been nice to have

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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