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I recently read Jordan's 12 Laws. Frankly it’s the first thing I have read or even seen of Peterson's work. I decided that I better get up to speed with what all the "kids were talking about". I was not expecting much. I am not usually impressed when someone claims they have condensed everything I need to know into simplistic rules or laws, or whatever. There’s way too much synergy in life for it to be condensed into a simple set of guidelines. Yet when everyone on the internet started on the 12 laws/rules bandwagon I had to find out what this was.

At the bottom I listed JPs laws. I am not going to talk law by law as he does it. Each Law is a chapter with cute stories and anecdotes. Sometimes you wonder if he is going to make his point. What I am going to attempt here is give a general impression of the book.

The book has a lengthy intro. A lot of back patting and explaining how this came to be. I skipped it after a few pages. It could be titled humble brag. The first chapter was quite good. In fact it's the only thing worth reading. The chapter discusses dominance in nature and how our posture and physical presence sets the stage for many things. Including beginning stages of frame. his metaphor of choice is Lobsters. Being a simple creature he discusses the chemical changes in the brain and the resultant attitude adjustments when a lobster is defeated or is victorious. The same with men. Except that men can change that attitude and the first is your presence.

The first rule is about changing your demeanor and how that along can begin a path of confidence and assertiveness. Remember as a kid you parents telling you to stand up straight? That’s the idea. In fact it really aligns well. While I wouldn’t tell a newbie here to stand up straight vs lifting, the net effect of lifting is better posture. We are telling you to lift in order to build confidence, a look. To learn what hard work really is.

After that the rules are simply a homogenized breakdown of some very basic elements. It all becomes some sort of very soft purple pill at best description of what a man should do. I say men because that is whom his message has been targeted at, BUT this book is a wide audience target. These elements are then further simplified in how a man interacts with his world. Not much about mindset changing and how to be your point of origin and certainly nothing the basic tenant of Red Pill which is Rule Zero. Jordan doesn't even mention this basic drive only that a dominant male gets the mate he wants. Technically true but as we know even a dominant male can be made beta if he doesn't understand the feminine nature.

As the rules go on they tend to get fluffier until the last one, which even Peterson slightly admits was there for fun. Petting kitties? really? Some rules are even semi redundant.

He also makes a mention in dealing with Chaos men seek and create order. He makes soft statement using Traditional Chinese philosophy that Chaos is Female and Order is Male (Yin Yang), but that's where it stops. He does say that to hold back Chaos a man requires routine. Discipline. But again he stops there. This alone would make a fantastic book or post. BUT it would be largely masculine in nature. We are the ones that create routine and order within our homes. It is this alone that does it. This is the overall theme of the book. In fact it’s the core of Peterson’s philosophy. Men seek and creat order from Chaos. Trouble is Peterson doesn’t see it that way Red Pill does. While I am sure Peterson would avoid the topic my gut feeling is that his undeclared premise is that men must seek Order through harmony with his environment. This is the natural order of the philosophy he touches on. Balance. Yin Yang. Unlike Red Pill which essentially seeks each man finding his own path and masculinity. At a surface level these things seem similar but they a re vastly different.

If you really want to understand what Peterson is driving at learn more about Traditional Chinese theory on Yin Yang. It makes sense given what RP know, but it’s not in line. At all. You can derive something from it, but like so much we know. Take what’s useful throw away the rest.

If you need a simple set of anything it can be boiled to this:

  1. Establish your frame
  2. Be a Man of Value and seek Value
  3. Be Attractive Don't be Unattractive
  4. Have Abundance in All things (from women, to friends, to resources)

That's it. Do those things and you can then enter the next stage of understanding women and achieving your goals. IN fact this is a life long pursuit. You will alter and change. YOu may have setbacks. It’s all part of the process, yet these steps don't change. We chop them up into Dread levels so it's easier for a married man to implement but those 3 things are essential to a man to grow the right mindset.

here are Jordan's Rules against Chaos in case your are curious. I could go into a complete Red Pill refutation of each of these rules. Yet I don’t have the energy. Needless to say this book is a watered down version of a lot of what JP talks about. Of course, marketing to just men is half the potential of profit so as I said there’s a lot of fluff in here.

I would not read this with an eye towards red pill. I would pick it up as another book that may have a couple nuggets in it. Again, Chapter one is pretty good just from the biology discussion alone. So I am headed back to the store to return this.

JPs rules

Rule 1: Stand Up Straight With Your Shoulders Back

Rule 2: Treat Yourself Like Someone You Are Responsible for Helping

Rule 3: Make Friends with People Who Want the Best For You

Rule 4: Compare Yourself to Who You Were Yesterday, Not Who Someone Else is Today

Rule 5: Do Not Let Your Children Do Anything that Makes You Dislike Them

Rule 6: Set Your House in Perfect Order Before You Criticize the World

Rule 7: Pursue What is Meaningful (Not What is Expedient)

Rule 8: Tell the Truth, or at least Don’t Lie

Rule 9: Assume that the Person You Are Listening to Might Know Something You Don’t

Rule 10: Be Precise in Your Speech

Rule 11: Do Not Bother Children when they are Skateboarding

Rule 12: Pet a Cat When You Encounter One on the Street


[–]thunderbeyond14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like JBP. He breaks fairly complex problems into more easily solved chunks. Its like the pop philosophy of Alain De Botton etc of a few years back.

Why not? I don't think his ideas are stupid- he makes good arguments for getting your shit in order.

The interested people will delve further into self-analysis. Thats great. The less interested may or not but... they weren't going to think about it deeply anyway.

[–]HelloImRIGHT6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love JP. I read the book the first week it came out. It was good, however, I have to keep myself away from liking it just because it was written by JP.

Jordan is a jungian. As much as I love Carl Jung it's hard not to notice how much of it is fishing for reason or explanation where there may not be any reason or explanation. He specifically states some of his ideas regarding his biblical interpretations took him decades to come up with. While I think they are important, and fascinating, its his interpretation. Too many youngsters are latching onto JP and throwing out everything else. I'd rather them latch onto JP than most others but still. There are other people who share "enlightenment" just as well. Read ALL of them!

In any event, many of his interpretations and lectures jive so well with MRPers it's hard to overlook. There's a reason he's become so popular today aside from the controversies: people are tired of victim puke, tired of living unsatisfactory lives, and specifically men are tired of being the bad guys.

With that said:

Stand up straight with your shoulders back. Bear your burden. Restrain Malevolence.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Psalm 68:5

If the disenfranchised find solace in someone, they owe it to him not to pillory him in a moment of weakness. I fear for this man's life, and partially blame his incomplete message.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

his incomplete message

That is the only way he has become so popular. The womminz lose their shit with TRP and MRP so the incomplete part of his message is exactly the truth about women we expose and that "they" don't want you to know.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jordan Peterson is the answer to the question for many men:

"Who's your daddy?"

TRP teaches that certain men are the answer to the same question, in a different context, posed to women.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The book has a lengthy intro. A lot of back patting and explaining how this came to be. I skipped it after a few pages. It could be titled humble brag.

Sounds like the start of Rationale Male I & II.

[–]jacksarmy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like every intro to any book

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re talking about the forward, right? The audiobook didn’t have it. I heard it was long.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I must've gotten the extended version of the audiobooks. The forewords on both are pretty long - particularly RM II which is essentially an elongated summary of RM I. It goes on for friggin' ages.

[–]maxofreddit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the best things I like about JP is that asks deep questions, and is okay not having an answer, or even leading to another question. A lot of his talks are hedged with phrases like “as far as I can tell,” or other phrases indicating his ideas are evolving.

For me, he helped to re-focus my Christian upbringing into something less dogmatic & at the same time, deeper and more thoughtful. He acknowledges that a lot of life is painful, but that doesn’t mean you stop.

I also like his basic tenant of “pick up the heaviest thing you can, and carry it” it works well as both a metaphor for being a better man & father, as well as taken literally to lift.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Here's a thought...J.P primes men for the MRP.

And women for receptivity to MRP males with disposition for monogamy.

I am not saying this is conscious but that does not mean it's not what's happening in fact.

What are the possible consequences of this:

1). Education starts to be open to employing more men's men. Reduction in soy content.

2). Municipal Employment starts to shift to productivity over policy

3). Increased courage among Betas. They start on the path.

4). Positive Aggression starts to return to public life.

5). The Marxist edifices start to crumble as it becomes synonymous with stupidity.

What I am saying is that if he represents a wave, MRP is the focused water jet.

It's like what you said:

the net effect of lifting is better posture.

that has an enormous impact. We've seen it in our own lives.

We lift and STFU and the world changes.

If we see JP's work through this lens we can see he is doing in general something that can only done in the specific by something like MRP.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

primes men for the MRP

JP is a gateway drug to the hard stuff.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's clear that he does a good job in his lectures in helping to figure out the psyche and can debate logical issues well in the face of female manipulation and shaming...but thats it. And even in all his debates all the fan boys declare (OMG Peterson nuked her!!!11!) when he simply logic'ed her to death and she had to listen because they were on the public radio or television stage. And to be honest it looks fucking exhausting...like hearing cats or something. He's never shown a hint of support for red pill ideas except when they happen to cross paths with his own, and this book reads like he finally sorted out his childhood confusion with the role of the Bible in his life so he felt compelled to write a book about it. Much like those writing red pill books for the purpose of compiling their own quest for understanding of rule 0 into a concrete form.

[–]WhoaItsAFactorial 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

11!

11! = 39,916,800

[–]Alpha_Engineer99-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

clever

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, great points on the context, the language and the exhaustion that ensues.

He recently said men can’t stand up to crazy women because of the physicality. He made the point that saner women should do this.

It begs the question from an RP perspective: how do you next a section of society?

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am thinking that somebody needs to start a new subreddit:

Red Pill Movie and Book Reviews

We could compile all of the exceptional reviews on TRP and MRP into one place that is easily searchable.

[–]whitesocks20000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Include music too

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

JP is bluepill. Doesnt mean he didnt write an interesting and clever book. I took what suited me and ran with it.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

All the RP criticism of JP boils dow to the fact that Jordan Peterson's apex value is not Rule Zero.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not entirely but yes that’s a major point. Remember Red PIll isnt about changing the world or society. It’s about men improving their lives despite the world and society.

Peterson’s mindset is like the PeaceKeepers of old. Men have to stand up in order for the world to be fixed. Which is the church’s main theme.

Women are lauded for their contributions and efforts. The world rides on their shoulders.

Men better not fuck up and they better man up to fix the worlds’ issues.

The premises is correct but the conclusion is all wrong.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s about men improving their lives despite the world and society.

And I think that Peterson's overarching point is that men improving their lives is more likely to fix society (to the extent that it can be fixed) than men aiming to fix society.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said that. But red pill isn’t concerned about the collective.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like JP and he is a skilled orator but fuck does the dude talk a lot. I read the 12 Laws a few months ago at the height of JP mania. While I liked what he was getting at, he could have condensed the book down into 5 phrases:

  • Be attractive, don't be unattractive. You will be happier if you are attractive.
  • If you aren't doing things to be more attractive, do things to make yourself more attractive. Put yourself first.
  • Stand up for yourself, be a man, don't be a fucking pussy. Have some personal integrity.
  • Do something with your life. Eating cookies and watching TV on your couch is not doing something with your life. Eating cookies and watching TV on your couch gives you bad posture.
  • If you do the above things your life will be better.

The people that I know who rant and rave about JP seem to flock to him because of his relative physical similarities to them and the fact he is a "smart guy" so his intelligence is perceived as a marker of his authority. I read it as a classic teacher / student or father / child situation. Daddy is so smart so we should listen to him. Daddy has an intimidating voice but doesn't look mean so we can trust him to not hurt us.

I believe that if you were to replace JP with any jacked RP dude pulling 500lb deadlifts at 15% BF who was saying the literal same thing condensed down, they wouldn't listen. They would be so caught up in what they see that the message would be lost completely. They can't relate so they shut down. You can fake being smart but you can't fake being strong.

All in all, JP is trying to get men moving in the right direction and while I think he is transmitting that message in a very purple and wordy way, people are listening. Proof is in the pudding but its hard to measure how fast fatties eat it.

[–]redbeaux 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Rule 4: Compare Yourself to Who You Were Yesterday, Not Who Someone Else is Today

I can get down with that.

Rule 12: Pet a Cat When You Encounter One on the Street

WTF?

JP is the epitome of "Chew up the meat and spit out the bones"

[–]thunderbeyond5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you understand metaphors?

[–]maxofreddit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In that chapter about petting a cat, he is essentially saying to grasp moments of beauty when they present themselves. With all the shit we have to deal with in life, he posits that there is, indeed, value in stopping to smell the roses.

Also, the first 2 or so pages of that chapter are an exercise in satire about how you can pet a dog too, and he didn’t want t offend anyone by putting just cats in the title...it’s a pretty funny diatribe

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

At least he isn't choking on the bone. Why is JP so popular and TRP/MRP remains "fringe?" Because he spit out the bone- ignoring the entire structure supporting feminism, female privilege, and objectionable female behavior and only chews on the red meat of male improvement.

I think the problem is JP is just advocating becoming better men so we can serve the feminine imperative better. He has no intentions of disrupting his Coaching practice and offending the womminz.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

know how you say that women are so used to special treatment, that equal treatmens reads like harassment?

Same thing. Effemenite men have moved the overton window so far, that a good solid beta male is now seen as the saviour of man.

[–]redbeaux 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I appreciate that you said effeminate men moved the window, and not feminism.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Why is everyone so happy that I don't blame cunty women for being cunty women?

[–]redbeaux 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't know about everyone else, I just appreciate that you put the blame where it belongs. There is plenty to blame feminism for, just not everything.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I just don't care about blame. Why should I? Doesn't solve anything but emotions.

I dont care where it belongs either. If you want something, go get it. Blame is there is you want to cope with failure... So cathartic!

[–]redbeaux 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Interesting. I think it blame has a place, just like i think the question "Why" has a place. They provide (for me) important navigational information.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you say so... I'll have to add my stance to the 'be like me, worked for me' pile

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The pile gets bigger all the time, that's why its a praxeology, because if it were not, there would be no room for value judgments or alternate paths to obtain optimum results. No room for anyone to say "this worked for me." In ideology, dissent is entirely discouraged.

Coming from a place of sport and competition, learning how not to do things never made sense to ME. The "why" was unimportant to the utility of what needed to be accomplished. It retards action.

However, if someone gains perspective from asking why, and has the ability, patience, and follow through to reference the personal "meaning" of what he reads or experiences, then it can better fit his narrative through personal context. Learning styles are often not addressed here, but again, praxeologies are not easy to assay when there is not something analogous with which to compare.

The truth about learning the tendencies of people becomes personal when what one believes is proven to be false. Some people (usually objectively intelligent people) need to know the source of the blind spot intellectually before acting contrary to what they always have. They must convince themselves that acting will produce a positive result. This is where ideology comes into play. They need to have FAITH that it works before acting.

TRP is swapping notes about different results from men acting.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He gets me when he starts saying shit like, "how will you ever be a suitable partner..." and crap like that in his lectures. "Always tell the truth" etc. I intend to finish the book at some point but I had to put it down for now. Good summary. Like anything, take what's useful and discard the rest. These kids latching onto him are sad, sad, sad.

[–]Mattcwu0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can we fix the title of this post?

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wish. I did a copy paste from the word document I worked in. It must have caught cut off in the digital translation.

Never had it happen before so I just hit submit.

Irritating.

[–]Mattcwu0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In some subs, the mods can edit a title. They have to notice it first.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They must have better programmers.

[–]Mattcwu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe, I've seen it in ChangeMyView

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

The thing to understand about Peterson is that he is not Red Pill Aware. He is from the days of the Old Books, and he is a Jungian as well. This means he approaches everything through archetypal analysis and a belief in the "Collective Unconscious". As a clinical psychologist, he is focused on helping people be functional again when they have been dysfunctional. So no, he's not RP, but he approaches some of the same truths from a different direction. So take him with a grain of salt, and know that if you're hanging out in this sub, he probably doesn't have much to offer you, but might have a tremendous amount to offer teenagers and guys in their early 20s who have never heard basic life advice before.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So here's where I disagree with you:

We're periodically reminded here about "Rule Zero".... this place is about maximizing our power in the SMP, and that's it.

So unless a person's sole orientation in life is maximizing SMV, there are parts of life that RP awareness does not solve. This is where JBP lives.

So where you say this...

and know that if you're hanging out in this sub, he probably doesn't have much to offer you

...I disagree. JP is a generalist, RP is a specialist. The fact that the speicialist knows more about its specialty than the generalist does not make it a better generalist.

JP can't offer you more about the male/female dynamic than RP can. His work mostly operates outside of this realm anyway.

RP is A Truth, but it is not THE Truth.. When people take A Truth and orient themselves as if it is THE TRUTH, it's no longer a set of tools for the user - it's an ideology.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

this place is about maximizing our power in the SMP, and that's it.

To be fair that covers a lot of ground but to illustrate your point I recently had it out with GLO on TRP about whether TRP is an ideology or a praexology. He tried to show I was wrong because I have a clear ideology. He is right I have a clear ideology but TRP is NOT an ideology. It is about sexual strategy and we can draw a lot from that because it precludes a lot. You can't be a feminista and a Terp (or Merp) at the same time. You can't be a cuck or a cuck enabler and be a Terp (or Merp) at the same time. Further, since optimizing "male sexual strategy" depends on being strong, independant and masculine, it is difficult to NOT be a Conservative or Libertarian and to be repulsed by the welfare supporting baby mama types. However, one could be a Liberal, or even a Communist and still be "Red Pill." You could be a bleeding heart pinko red or you can be "Stoic" and be Red Pill. Theoretically you could be almost any school of philosophy and still be Red Pill.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So Red Pill isn't ideology? Fine. Not really interested in that debate.

I think a lot of guys here - self included, for a while - teeter on the edge of cobbling together the general principles of TRP into an ideology.

So while RP might not be ideology, there are absolutely guys here who subscribe to an ideological RedPillism.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ideological RedPillism.

And almost every single veteran at MRP would say they're doing it wrong.

/u/stacysmomlovesme's comment is echoed over and over again

I took what suited me and ran with it.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is absolutely true. Ideological Redpillism. It could catch on.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope, not a ideology. Just tools in a toolbox.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But a belief that these tools are all that is necessary to understand your place in the world is.

Like I say above - RP is truth. When a person takes a truth and orients themselves as if it is The truth, it becomes ideology for that person.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Everyones had it out with him over that.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

LOL, I didn't know that he got even more flac than I gave him. I like GLO. The name alone commands deep respect.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Neoreactionsafe 2.0 ?

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. GLO can't tie EVERYTHING to "Zee Jews."

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason I said he wouldn't have much to offer people on this sub is that most here will probably have either encountered advice like he gives or just already knew these things about life. Pure age bias in our membership, not a shot at JP. I like the guy, and think he is a good champion for free speech and free thought, which is what we really need en masse right now.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would agree with this. This sub skews older. A lot of this stuff I've already heard years ago, and lived out my problems and surmounted them.

Personally, I more enjoy his thoughts on Jung and psychology vs other topics. Learn about what you don't know.

But yeah, for kids, as in "I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids", there's more value there.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been going through this, and taking this to the beach. So far, the first few chapters have been good stuff.

[–]thatboyjeff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just bought this. Cant wait to read.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh rules are 11 and 12 are simultaneously flippant and virtue signaling. Odd combination

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking the same thing - all the cattle seem to be flocking to this guy- I want to see what all the hoopla is about. I wasn’t expecting much. But, I watched a couple of his YouTube interviews yesterday , and I was as pleasantly surprised.

So, I bought the 12 rules book- haven’t started it yet.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To me the only value is that he poked the bear in the right direction.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I watched a half hour interview he did on the wage gap, and the woman tried to twist and put words in his mouth the whole thing. He didn’t budge. Funny thing is I still think the point flew over her head after a half hour. Unquestionably? He can debate and stick to the point.

[–]Dr90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This book, although written well after, is a gentle introduction to 'Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of belief'. Which is much more dense/less accessible but well thought out.

https://www.amazon.com/Maps-Meaning-Architecture-Jordan-Peterson/dp/0415922224

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