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I copied and pasted this from my post in the OYS thread this week, hence the mention of it toward the end.

The main event came this week. Looking back I can see all the precursors, and where I could've done things better to maybe avoid it. But ultimately it was needed, and I was expecting it sooner than later.

It came after a situation exposed a difference in personal views. To avoid doxxing, I'll leave it at that. We both told the other where we stood on it, she stayed mad while I spent 2 days just moving on from it, after telling her I was going to just agree to disagree and had to explicitly tell her I wasn't telling her I thought she was "wrong", I just viewed it differently. I offered plenty of invites to join in on some fun, all were shot down and the show went on without her.

Day 3, it came to a head for her. She starts by telling me how pissed she is at me, how it shouldn't have to be this hard, and ultimately "I think we need a break, I'm going to stay with [family member] for awhile."

"Do what you need to do. I'll take care of the boys."

This led to "Now you can fuck whoever you want" and so on. When that didn't get a reaction out of me she flips it and says she'll do the same. "Do what you want. I won't stay in a marriage with a woman that fucks other men." There was some more noise, but as I refused to engage her tone switched from angry to fearful. "I'm a mess, I don't know what's going on in my head half the time. I know I'm hard to deal with and it seems like you can just walk away at any moment."

It was the perfect opportunity for me to share my life vision with her, and I told her I wanted her to be there for it all. But I wasn't going to tolerate being the punching bag. I did more talking than what I "should have", but it felt like the right thing to do/say...so I laid it out. "I'm not here for you to take your anger out on me. I understand I've fucked up royally in the past, but I'm learning how to improve that. Every decision I make is based on whether or not it will get me closer to that improvement. I'm not going to get it perfect everytime, but I'm not going to stop moving forward on it either. I want to be your rock, but I will not be your punching bag." That was the gist of it, obviously less robotic and more personal to the situation.

She melted and opened up even more than she has been here lately. She shared some dark shit. Still talking with an aggitated tone as she spoke. But the more she shared, and the more unphased I was by it, she spewed out more and more. Anger to sadness. Aside from a few "I know exactly what you mean, I've been there myself" kinds of statements, I really didn't say much at all. She ended it all by telling me she's never talked about it because she thought nobody would understand. She thought having those thoughts and being "that way" wasn't normal.

After it was all said and done, I had realized what just happend. The calmness I felt during the whole thing was so alien to me. In all honesty, there was some fear (self doubt) that I would eventually slip back into my old ways. I acknowledged that fear, smirked, and took the last drag of my cigarette.

A levy has broke in my mind with all sorts of realizations on my progress, things I need to work on to make sure they are fully internalized, and things I still need to get started on. But when I stay out of my head about it, it goes so much smoother than trying to hamster it all out. This will probably be my last OYS post for awhile, I'm going to take the u/rian_stone approach and just take shit apart then put it back together. I'm sure I'll cross threads, break bolts, and have extra pieces laying around from time to time. But I won't let any of that stop me from getting where I want to go.


[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A great narrative for her to anchor her decisions, moving forward.

I loved the read. Man, glad to see its working out for ya

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's great man, well done. Excellent FR. Having been in your shoes, anticipate this to be one of many of these instances, but don't worry about it. My wife has thrown like 3-5 "Main Events" at me, progressively more intense, and by the end of it I'm basically like... meh. Last one was after she found out I was messing around with other women. Now she's a peaceful little kitten dancing on thin ice and it's kind of annoying and transparent at this point. Anyway, don't rule out the possibility that this is just the beginning of her trying to re-betafy you. And don't rule out her dysfunction killing your desire, either. Bitter pillz. Keep it up you're doing great.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

3-5. Wholly fuck. Is this me that posted this ?

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's great to see me again!

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is why I’m starting to dislike the whole main event thing. It gives guys a “goal” they shouldn’t have and suggests it will only happen once

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I had a Main Event post too at one point. Starting to think a Main Event is when you, the man, file for divorce. Everything else is just foreplay.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good analogy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree, and if you've had multiple, I'd speculate that something larger is going on. Either she is not worth keeping or you are backpedaling between events.

Edit: and yeah, a main event may be a necessary evil in some cases but never a goal.

[–]bcvickers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was thinking the same thing myself. It leads me to believe there is no such thing as A main event but rather more serious shit tests than the day to day stuff.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of the real drunk dumb asses will fight for the reigns, I fought for the cunty bitchy shit to subside.

If you are sinewhat together with your shit, it will be small tests but still emotional.

But, I think what some are missing is that as they develop frame, it’s also a hyrestics of working through her manipulation of him and slowly getting it to stop, recognize it for what it is

[–]sh0ckley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I also experienced more than one “main event” during the first year.

I don’t remember how many, but the frequency gradually decreased (I started a log) until now, almost 2 years after I showed up, there are just occasional blips on the radar that I hardly notice and shrug off because I found the tools I needed to learn how to handle women here at MRP.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In our main event, I avoided talking too much by logically playing back some of the field reports in my head and avoided DEERing altogether by realizing - this is my fucking life and repeating it to myself under my breath

I would say a bang up job, but do realize the words depression, self loathing and such are words. Excuses for NOT getting to the bottom of this - or confronting the real issues at hand

If you take all your experiences, drunk behavior, failures and such- put them in a blender, guess what ? You still get you.

It’s the idea of pouring the blended shit out on the counter and sifting out the “what to keep” vs “what’s got to go”.

A lot of people cannot comprehend this or the very simple method of not only keeping something worthwhile, but embellishing on it and build off it.

In the grand scheme of things, life is short and the clock is ticking. As you come to realize this, you have to get your needs in your sight and leave the rest behind. Plain and simple.

Unless she has truly handed over the reigns, there is more to come and you need to be ready to not only take the verbal jousting, but identify what is truly going on.

The Way of the Superior Make details very well the context of testing your resolve by not reacting to your merits, but to actually ignore.

So I ask you, do you think the 2 days of silence is an accolade to your achievements, testing you ? Or, an admission to your fitness and handing over the reigns ? El Capitan ?

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really like the blender metaphor.

As far as your questions at the end go, I'm not real sure what the 2 days of silence meant. All I know for sure is I'm moving forward with the value loop mindset Jack10 talked about, phase 3 if memory serves correct. Maintain leadership where it's been established and look for new fun ways to lead in other areas.

Still plenty of work to do, but my mind is in a good place at this point. Solid bones to build on.

[–]nightmancommeth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is a tip for when you’re wife is sorting her feelings it out. While she is bitching stfu but when she opens up use mirroring. It’s basically you just repeat the last few words she says and she will work it out. If you want an awesome book read never split the difference by Chris voss or check this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=pWu6ie-QXjI&feature=youtu.be

Literal game changer in all facets of my life.

[–]thatboyjeff1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Good for you for not falling for her shit. She was trying to bait you and you maintained your frame (form what we can see here, at least).

Now, maybe I missed it, but do you think that there is a chance shes already fucking someone? What "dark shit" was she spewing? Just her feelz?

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depression and self esteem issues, which I have picked up on, I didn't know about the self loathing that went along with it. There's zero chance she's gettin banged out somewhere else.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

zero

Careful their tiger. Nature abhors a vacuum.

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol I knew I'd get called on that. I know there's always the chance of it happening, no matter how good shes got it at home. It's just not in the cards right now.

[–]crimson_chris3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I am not here for you to take your anger out on me

This is the only place where I took pause. Your wife will take her anger out on you. That is part of being her rock. It's your job to see past her shit and not give a fuck. Women are a sea of emotion and it won't all be good. Your frame should be strong enough to stand up to her anger. Of course, you must have boundaries.

Other than that - nice report. Oh, what the fuck. Smoking is really bad for you. Stop that shit. Or not. It's your body.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your wife will take her anger out on you.

Nyet. Absolutely fucking not. Way too much self respect to tolerate that bullshit.

See the distinction OP makes between being a rock vs. being a punching bag.

[–]straius 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Sometimes women need explicit communication. Covert communication and all that doesn't make them mind readers and if they're not getting it, dogmatically sticking to non-verbal communication can cause just as many setbacks.

It's not a 0 sum thing. You maintain boundaries and every once in a while you may have to set the stage when they don't see it.

Guarantee you OP saying that is gonna bring more clarity to her issues within the context of his story here. Especially with what she revealed about self loathing/depression.

[–]crimson_chris7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What I am referring to is contained in "Way of the Superior Male". The basic concept is that women are wrought by emotion. If you seek to "actively" calm and contain this sea you will fail. Hence being a rock. Which is why I took pause in OP not accepting her "anger".

There is a difference between being angry and being disrespectful.

My wife also suffers from depression. She also had an extremely painful medical condition this summer. One time while trying to make her comfortable she sobbed and screamed out in anger "just leave me the hell alone". Which I did. She was hurt and angry - but not at me. She just needed to lash out. She was not being disrespectful. Women are fucking crazy - so it comes with the territory. She has said worse when depressed (like being okay with not waking up after surgery). If you want the high emotions and the porn star sex that goes with it, you also have to lose the ego and be her rock when she needs to let off a little crazy/stream. Stop judging. If you judge her for being angry, what else will you judge her for?

You don't get to choose your woman's emotions. It's all or none (eventually). Lose the ego. It's not about you. So anger - be her rock. Disrespect - enforce your boundaries.

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She has been mistaking my removal of time and attention as "running away from the problem" vs. not tolerating disrespect. Or worded in a way we all can understand, mistaking a strength as a weakness. Straius is on point with his interpretation, just trying to lead the hamster through the maze. I do see what you're saying though, and it is something I've just recently become much more comfortable with. But as soon as it goes from angry venting to direct disrespect (unless it's well deserved, in that case OMS and STFU) the timer starts. Too much time passes before she gets back on point and I'll go find something else to do.

Afterward, I did point out how things went once she opened up to me. It may have taken away a little of the "magic" in the moment, but I was willing to make the trade of a short term loss for a potential long term gain. I have no doubt she'll test me again, from here on out though I'll just remain in frame and let the hamster do its thing. Drawing it all out for her isn't the long game, for me.

[–]crimson_chris0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Testing is a good symptom. While a woman will never stop testing a strong man she will give up on a weak one.

[–]straius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha, yeah I'm familiar with all the reading, I thought you were taking a different angle. No disagreement about that premise.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should stay above the me anger that may be directed at you. You don’t have to take it though

[–]bcvickers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My wife also suffers from depression.

Serious question; are there any that don't (suffer from depression)? From my albeit limited experience a larger percentage do.

[–]crimson_chris1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not an expert, buy there is being depressed (temporary and a lot of people experience this) and then there is depression (I can't do anything right, I am worthless, I want to die).

It took me a while to get it. My wife has an awesome husband (me), two beautiful and healthy kids, we are both educated (masters), she is a SAHM, we travel, have savings and make a decent income. So WTF is wrong with her? Of course there is the stress of family and kids - but clinical depression goes a lot deeper. I actually have been able to navigate her depression better since finding MRP. I internalize that it's not about me. She has also been in therapy for +5yrs (and was on anti-depressants for a while) so she is working hard to manage it.

I guess it's ine if thise things it's tough to understand unless you experience it.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Does “husband “ = punching bag?

Fuck no.

Bring her rock can mean she can vent to you. Not at you

[–]crimson_chris1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

As long as she is not being disrespectful, why would you give a fuck? If she can't bring her problems to you she will find someone else to vent "at". Eh - maybe It's semantics. I think we are saying similar things.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

venting to you, and venting at you are different. if you dont understand that, I can not help you

[–]crimson_chris0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cool. Don't think I asked for help on this specfic topic.

Sometimes people will vent "at" you because they don't know how to express their feelings. My stance is to not take it personal - hence frame. If it turns into disrespect or abuse, then a boundary has been crossed. As the Rock, you should be able tell or learn the difference. Emotions are not all black and white.

Sometimes when people are venting at you, they think they are venting to you. Of course you should correct them at the appropriate time.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

their inability to express feelings appropriately should be fixed. are they literally children? How many times do you need to tell her that X is disrespectful before you know she is actually disrespecting you?

[–]crimson_chris0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

She is the oldest teenager in the house, right? (that is a slight joke)

I have been clear that disrespect and abuse should not be tolerated. Those are ways of expressing anger that are not appropriate. That being said, you should be able to handle peoples anger via your frame - whether they are angry with you or just expressing anger to you. My other point is that sometimes those two things look similar. A superior male can tell the difference.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A superior male can tell the difference.

yup.

and AS a superior man, if you are getting shit on, not shit to, you ... have reason to question your superiority.

[–]crimson_chris0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]ishouldhaveacigar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice story!

I have experienced the ‘calmness’ you spoke of, as well as the fear of slipping back into your ways. I think one of my weaknesses is still Oneitis. I’m much better, but I still fight myself ‘fighting’ for my wife.

This struggle is the hardest when I find myself trying to connect with her emotionally when she’s in an emotional crisis. It’s as if my well-being is not as important as her’s, and the shit tests I run into are spawned from that. I struggle to pass those shit and I find myself feeling neglected. RP has taught me enough to at least realize this as beta behavior, but it is this type of circumstance in which I get frustrated and confused as to what to do. I shut down (probably butt hurt, really). So I lift and read some more and I try not to waste too much time before taking action. That beta me is still there sometimes; yet, I’m improving.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it possible to avoid the main event and yeah. Everyone talks too much during it.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good work. I don’t think you necessarily talked too much. As long as that talk is backed up woh action, consistent and congruent it’s ok. Don’t be the silent STFU autist.

Not sure if this was really a main event or just you “moving forward” as Stone said. The more I hear about main events the more I dislike the concept.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget to wear your Make American Great Again hat!

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She can either start laying bricks with me or gtfo! lol

[–]MAGAManARFARF1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol!

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Big T is paying 85$ an hour to lay bricks. Wyd?

[–]weakandsensitive4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hah. I've got a small collection. 2 hats, 1 scarf, and 1 pin.

My wife framed our invitation to the inauguration (which came 2 months late!!!) and a letter from Melania.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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