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Essay

https://therationalmale.com/2018/02/02/the-marriage-game/

Excerpt

This is one half of strategic pluralism theory for men. Men who invest themselves in the long term aspect will always look for ways to validate their inability or unwillingness to pursue multiple partners. It’s easy to think that these men make their necessity a virtue, and that may or may not be the case, but what’s undeniable is that investing themselves in a one-mate strategy necessarily selects them out of experiences with women that would otherwise aid them in vetting a woman as a good long term prospect. The Blue Pill has always subjugated men to be predisposed to the one-mate investment strategy while simultaneously encouraging women to adopt a multiple mate strategy. That may seem counterintuitive, but when we look at the Sheryl Sandberg plan for Hypergamy we can see that what they believe is prudence is having a large selection of potential husbands from which to choose.

In Trad-Con manosphere thinking it seems like conventional wisdom to encourage men and women to marry younger. Look at where we’re at today; women forestall marriage – ostensibly to further a career, but really to falsely extend their Hypergamous decision making years – until their Epiphany Phase (29-31) or even beyond by freezing their eggs. Men take much more time to mature into their peak SMV potential, but what’s the common complaint? These men aren’t “being men” by preparing themselves for a life of family and marriage. They aren’t catering their lives’ decisions to fulfill women’s sexual strategy, and really what incentive do they have to when women are following the Sandbergian path of Hypergamy? Men and women marry later and later – if at all. Women unmarried by the time they’re 34-35 are likely to never marry in their lives.


[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED17 points18 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I'm married so I guess that means I'm invested in the long term aspect. Bothering to take the time to pursue multiple when I'm getting all I need at home started feeling like a time sink. I know I need to keep options open but I also know I'm capable of cultivating them if necessary. I have done it, I have "cheated" on my wife. She knows this. She's wasn't happy about it but she ultimately decided to stay.
 
When you have a chick at home caring for your children, cleaning your house, cooking you dinner, rubbing your back, and giving you porn star sex, being married ain't so bad. Only if she is a contributing FO and makes your life better. I mean, outside of the legal implications, if your wife is crazy about [how] you [make her feel] it's really not a bad deal. That said I'm never going to turn down sex with a woman I'm attracted to. Guess I am following a dual strategy of my own. Who knows.
 
The more I have learned the less I give a shit about all the sexual strategy stuff. There are more interesting things to learn about once you internalize this information. Now for me it's more about where will feminism go from here? I am concerned for my children and want to keep an eye on this garbage heap.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I started the art, a kick was just a kick, a punch was just a punch
Then I learned the art, and a kick was no longer a kick, a punch was no longer a punch
Now that I have mastered the art, a kick is just a kick, a punch is just a punch
-- Bruce Lee

[–]Jeffspark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is huge when you understand it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's still an issue for us all because I expect my girls to get married some day, but any smart guy worth marrying won't do it. It's like a catch-22.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right there with you.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“The more I have learned the less I give a shit about all the sexual strategy stuff.”

Well of course you don’t need to give a shit about it because it is no longer an issue for you.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You ever heard of PUA's? How about all these writers who build entire careers around discussing sexual strategy? Not everyone learns what they want and gets on with it. Some are permanently fascinated by the discussion. Nothing wrong with that.

[–]RedPillPowerNine1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

When you have a chick at home caring for your children, cleaning your house, cooking you dinner, rubbing your back, and giving you porn star sex, being married ain't so bad.

Ya i bet it wouldn't be that bad. that's like saying dropping out of high school isn't that bad of a decision, you can get an NHL contract at 17 and not need an education. Somone has to play in the NHL, why not you!

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

To seriously answer you, I mean, you are saying that the odds of being able to get a woman so fucking crazy about you she'd do all these things are the same as dropping out of high school and getting into the NHL? That's laughable. Work on yourself man, there are a lot of women who would do this for you. Also, let it be known that I never endorsed marriage; never said "you should get married". It's just something I did a while ago and I did the work to make it work for me. There's a lot of fear sewn into the topic.

[–]RedPillPowerNine-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I never endorsed marriage; never said "you should get married". It's just something I did a while ago and I did the work to make it work for me. There's a lot of fear sewn into the topic.

You are proablly right man but some men don't have the ability to "make it work" for them. If we are starting at the smv of a 2, it might never be possible.

I know having my brain set a limitation on what I can achieve shuts off the part of my brain that could achieve it. I fully understand this.

I could never become an astronaut, some men cannot achieve what you have because it's an apolo moon mission level of effort.

You can.

I think you have a form of success bias.

I also think I don't know shit.

Thanks for your replies man.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep that incel shit out of here.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you a 2? It's pretty hard to be a 2. I mean, it takes effort to be a 2. Like, a lot of effort. Also, I never said that you can have this with your current wife (or with your ONEitis), just that it's possible for you to find women who do this for you. You're a 2? There's a boatload of 1's waiting for you.

[–]RedPillPowerNine-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been a two and yes, you have to work at it! It's not easy.

I love your mindset about banging ones. Made my day.

I never considered the "with your current wife" angle. Definitely shows I have not internalized everything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's so true... everyone does work to maintain their bodyshape/health. Sometimes that "work" is overeating and no exercise, but it's still what you do to work on it. Others go to the gym and eat within their BMR to work on their bodyshape/health.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cathy Newman?

[–]ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Ya Rollo isn't even married..

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Did he get divorced?

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it was sarcasm but I tried to get the joke from several angles and just couldn't.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

DR DRE NOT EVEN A REAL DOCTOR

MRP ICON U/RIAN_STONE NOT EVEN MARRIED

etc

[–]ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait he is actually married? So does he cheat on her as he advises?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So does he cheat on her as he advises?

please point me to where he advises cheating on wives?

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does everyone ask for spoonfeeding?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He never said that he cheated on his woman. I have never read that at all in any of his writings. He has advised not getting married and doing plates or if you are married how to make it work... get frame, or if you are to be married ... maintain your frame from the beginging.
Enough Bluepill Spam

[–]RedPillPowerNine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rolo advises specifically to not use him or his marriage as an example.

[–]TurdDoctorHard Core Red4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I have seen more women seeking highly paid professions that require many years of education and marriage is delayed for years. Their professional success reinforces the mindset of power in the relationship because they don't need provisioning and the feminine imperative says "you go girl, you don't need a man". There is a tendency for them to marry men at a similar level of education/professional status, they marry later, oftentimes don't have children, and feel unfulfilled because of it. They decide to have a child and can't biologically so they resort to fertility treatments which may or may not work.

Funny thing is, I have 2 female colleagues (doctor specialists) that married men with less provisioning power (much less education and income). Now they are going through hellish divorces and the men are getting nice payouts (that's how it works in my state).

What I describe is more or less a Western phenomenon, but I have also seen it play out in Asia. There are many highly educated women that defer marriage until their careers are set, only to find that the pool of "suitable" available males at that point is almost non-existent, and they don't get married.

[–]Rock_Granite2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

divorced men getting nice payouts -- This is awesome!

[–]TurdDoctorHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Assets split 50/50 after 6 years married in my state, good for whoever had less (male or female)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shhh.... .that is my divorce mitigation strategy as my SO makes more $$...LOL!

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny thing is, I have 2 female colleagues (doctor specialists) that married men with less provisioning power (much less education and income). Now they are going through hellish divorces and the men are getting nice payouts (that's how it works in my state).

This is why when you have a daughter you make her go into nursing.

Way more higher-level males with money to choose from.

Most of the nurses I know are, let's say, realised people, from the point of family affairs. Most of the female doctors aren't. The younger girls (residents)... my god, maybe 1 out of 5-8 will have kids.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting article. I think a lot of it focuses on the younger men who get married early. There's a lot of risks involved with that.

I think of myself at 18, and I think of myself at 28 when I considered settling down, and honestly I was a completely different person when older - more life experience, more education, more maturity, just more. I'm glad I waited.

I believe the statistics show that when people get married later in life, the divorce odds decrease, so that is also a positive.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy Link

Take it from An angry 40 year old divorced guy, I love women, let me tell you why. I went to see Pablo escorts house, and realized you men are shit. You should be able to sleep with women, but only chose one. Clean your room and men are the problem.

My coaching services mailing list will allow you to pay me to teach you how to man. And don't worry, my MBTI is sagittarius, so I can be trusted.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

But Stoney, how can you get a woman without being "Artful?"

I mean egg accounts and manic raging are so attractive.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I spend too much time online.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

And Jung spent too much time on Alchemy, but everyone wants to ignore that.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Oh, go clean your room!

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

If I had a dad I could magically wish for, I would wish he was just like you Mr. Peterson, or Jesus.

I used to default to Jesus, but now, I'm conflicted.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I used to think it was fucked up when I was told at 6 I was the man of the house now, my stepdads lesson was 'you're not a man until you fight your old man' or my dad passing away before I was legal drinking age.

Starting to think they were blessings in disguise. The idea of hero worship is so alien to me, I can't even imagine. How did you do it, just too old to create a new god?

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I realized early on, that every man is just a man.

Plus, to be frank, I'm smarter than most people, and I do not see the utility in a frail, flawed person not unlike myself.

I was adopted by idiots who really cared. Sometimes the love is more important than the passing of knowledge. I could teach myself just about everything, except intergender dynamics, and what I do know I got from trial and error, because my parents married very young.

RP, for me, was an understanding of "what have you done for me lately?" and understanding that "flipping a switch" can come for us all.

I need no idols, because I prefer to be a man worthy of remembrance. I don't think any man can be self-actualized, without first stopping the comparisons between himself and an idealized "other."

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

A message I resonated with, and went completely over people heads

I think I know why I liked you and frenchie so much. a 10 and 20 year crystal ball... hopefully

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm a smart animal.

Cognizant enough to realize that everyone else is just an animal as well.

It's a correct message enforced with a cudgel.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

WTF? Seriously, I missed the point(s) punchline(s).

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Inside referenes.

look up pat stedman, and upstreamtwitter if you want to waste some time.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks anyways. I will take your word for it.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Drunk post?

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Rant against ineffective relationship coaches on Twitter. They don't like Stoney, because he calls out Tradcon bullshit.

Specifically this 'man'.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But they smell good!!

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cuz they shower. LOL

Probably vetting 085 in the Upstreamtwitter curriculum. Make sure your unfortunate target showers with soap. Extra Credit If she wears a celebrity Parfum.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus wept.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It turns out pua and lifestyle coaches hate rp.

We deliver a superior product, for free.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And I thank you all for that.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all contribute, no need for Atta boys

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I understand the words individually, but strung together I have no idea what I just read.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Summary of upstreamtwitter and their pissing match with rp.

Its a bit inside, granted.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just making sure you didn't have a stroke :)

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Malfunction running cube game

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

mwahha

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I will hit your horse with the fucking ladder son

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'M IN A FUCKING STORM!

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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