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Was at the club with my wife. I guess this big motherfucker and his friend were next to me. I was flirting with my wife and not paying them any mind. Everyone was dancing and his friend bumped into me. I just turned around and smiled, it was packed, everyone was dancing, it happens. His friend started to apologize and the big dude came up and put his arm around me in kind of a drunken late night way no big deal. Turns out he had pushed his friend into me. Then he stares at my wife, grabs her beer, and goes to take a sip.
 
Mid-air, I grabbed the beer and held it to his stomach, not allowing him to take a sip, my hand was over his hand. Kept calm, level head, and said, "let it go man." His friend started talking him out of it, "dude, come on, give it back." Few seconds later he lets go, my wife takes the beer back and says, "I think we can all agree that was a dick move." Guys backs off, we were waiting for an Uber that was just arriving. Wife said he jumped at me again when we walked out. Didn't even notice.
 
Walked out and she says, "that was SO attractive, I can feel the energy coming off of you!". I just shrugged and was like "whatever". Smiled and winked. Went home and slammed. Lessons I learned here, having never been confronted by someone bigger than me, or ever having another man disrespect my wife like this before:

  • Stick up for your wife when called upon
  • Remain calm and unemotional in the confrontation. Eye contact and confidence. No fear. Don't enter his frame. Don't try to protect your wife or usher her away, this is between you and him.
  • Other guy will look like a child, you will look like a man in control. Believe this and it's natural.
  • His friends may sense your calm and defuse the situation for you
  • Betas guard, alphas disregard -CAD

This isn't the most revelatory FR, but this is an instance where it's important to show leadership and ability to remain calm under pressure. In the end, I got out of there without scrapping, displayed dominant and protective qualities in an attractive way, and got my wife dripping wet. I remained in my frame and the night went exactly how I had planned before and after the small disturbance. She wants a man who keeps it together. You should want to be a man who keeps it together. Don't get me wrong, fight when necessary. Stick up for your FO.


[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode23 points24 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I remember when I was attacked and stabbed. While I did manage to take away the knife, break the assailant's arm, and smash his head through a window, I did not kill him. Thought about it, sort of tried to, but couldn't do it in the end.

Oddly, I kept thinking about all the blood he'd likely spill on me. Was kind of OCD'ish about it.

He was howling and foaming at the mouth. I wondered how dirty his blood would be.

When the cops arrived they all gave me shit for not killing him. My friends too. Everyone criticized my shortcomings and bragged about how they would have slaughtered the dude, in some dramatic Steven Segal fashion, I imagine.

Easy to armchair quarterback after-the-fact. Quite a bit harder when you're in the thick of it.

Life is not an always-on video game, nor is it a 24-7 tour in Vietnam. So while your "operational security" or "situational awareness" or otherwise "special forces skills" may not have been so amazing - certainly not living up to the standards of all the GI Joes here - seems like you did just fine to me.

[–]maxofreddit2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you don’t mind me asking, do you study a specific self defense (i.e. jiu jitsu) or are you just naturally a badass ?

I’ve had brief exposure to self defense, but have recently been looking into getting into something more seriously for a year or two.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm definitely not "naturally a badass." I've simply learned enough to overcome the natural tendency to either freeze or run in these circumstances.

Since I was a child I have tended to move forward, too. Always. I simply did as much when I saw him put his hand in his pocket. Frankly, I thought it was a gun and assumed I had no other choice. The experience deeply haunted me for years. I'm sure I had some sort of traumatic disorder.

Standing still has always bothered me, whether it be about some dumbass gunning for me or some 'tough guy' harassing someone less capable. Strangely enough I had to break up a domestic violence fight just the other night. I did so in a very dramatic fashion - putting on my jacket while walking directly towards him - barking at his buddies - and pointing at him the whole way. Ultimately I grabbed his neck and choked him. Like I said, very dramatic and entirely done for the benefit of the two dudes standing around him, though the jacket was an added precaution in the unlikely event he had a knife. It was pretty clear that neither he nor they were likely to move, but I wanted to increase my odds. Lots of booze, yelling, and deer-in-the-headlights looks involved.

However, my son did witness it and told me I had acted "just like a super hero."

I got him to a point of safety first, of course. Understand that the woman was screaming everything from "rape" to "call 911" to "he's hitting me" and no one else was moving; it's not like I jumped into chaos with my son in tow just for the hell of it.

Ultimately she turned out to be a royal cunt - likely the real source of the problem - and started yelling at me. Fucking bitch.

Please don't think that this is a usual event in my life. Clearly the timing is ironic.

I studied Korean and Chinese martial arts. Enough to do okay when needed, I suppose. One of the Korean experiences was immersive and I was witness to some amazing things. I came to understand what a real badass looks like - and like I said - he doesn't look like me. Well, actually, let me rephrase because I kind of do look like a badass, however, I am certainly not actually a badass, at least by my definition.

The most intriguing outcome of the other night was our discussion afterwards. My son went buddy-by-buddy pointing out whose dads would have fought versus whose dads would have run. The outcome exactly parallels what everyone in MRP is saying:

  • The fighters? To a 't' they have muscles, athleticism, sometimes military backgrounds, and poise.
  • The runners? Fat, bald, boring, scrawny, or just plain pathetic.

By the way - I suppose to better relate this to MRP - I told my wife none of what happened. Last thing you need is to brag to your wife if you get lucky like I did.

My son, however, as you can imagine... well he told her everything. :-)

p.s. You can't go wrong with jiu jitsu. My son already has a black belt in a Korean form and has been taking BJJ for a while. It's pretty amazing. I'm biased, though, because I would always get my ass whooped by wrestlers since I simply had no fucking idea what they were doing. You are at a tremendous disadvantage without wrestling or grappling skills, so you might as well include them.

[–]maxofreddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the note...

Part of the allure of Jiu Jitsu is I have there kids that I would love to have that experience. With the world how it is, it's good for both little sons and daughters to know how to handle themselves.

I recently heard the best support for grappling being that if you're far enough away that you can kick them, you might as well run away.

And good on you for breaking up a fight, even if the result turned out to be a crazy lady on one side and a choked out guy on the other.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wild story, man. Glad you made it out of there. I wonder if you had killed him, how you would feel about that. You trusted your gut and didn't. Good for you. Your friends are like all the people who watched Lone Survivor and said they'd kill the shepherds. Most people react this way, putting themselves in your shoes but with way more bravado using after-the-fact knowledge; it's easy to have abstracted 20/20 muscles and strategy.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the point I was making, and which was missed was:

This entire post, thread and contents is NOT about how great of a job OP did fucking his wife.

Its about how he can learn from his fuck ups so next time the big dude doesn’t get to the point of putting his arm around him.

That is the lesson. The entire fucktard interaction he had with big dude and his bro.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I even saw the post you're referring to. I was far too entertained watching you say "not everyone is a pussy like you" - and more - to that other freakshow. :-)

[–]weakandsensitive7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll echo this sentiment. This extends to your people.

We were at a nightclub, some chaos starts to happen, I pull my wife's friend aside and out of the way, effectively shrouding her. Wife later comments, "I saw what you did. I liked it." It didn't even register to me.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how The Blue Pill will spin this? Rapists and misogynists worrying about protecting their women?

Who da thunk?

This behavior must be carefully calibrated because women will deliberately pit men against one another. Clearly in this case a drunk idiot tried to essentially bully your woman and that will not stand.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He wasn’t bullying the woman, he was bullying him.

Also, it is unclear whether the beer was on a table ready for the taking, or in her hand.

If he grabbed it from in her hand, then OP needs to really up his situational awareness game. That is far more threatening and needing immediate resolution than some drunkard grabbing a beer bottle from the table.

If he did grab it from her hand, and OPs main concern was the beer bottle....

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, it doesn’t make sense was my first thought.

Usually when it doesn’t add up, trolling is involved

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume that op's wife had been drinking from the glass/whatever that he took from her. That's why op stopped him from taking a sip from the same glass as his wife.

[–]Alpha_Engineer996 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There’s value in this post. Fuck the naysayers.

Most of us are here because we were in deadbedrooms and were pussies all our lives. I used to avoid confrontation at all cost and a typical nice guy.

I could easily see how this would have went down back in the day. Biff takes a drink of my wife’s beer, I would have laughed in a nervous beta kind of way, and said come on guys , stop it. Biff would have twirled her around, probably grinded that ass too.. she would be smiling too while it happened. If I tried to step in to stop him, she would have yelled at me and said stop being so serious..

But now, as a 40 year old man, on his way to self actualization, no one is touching my wife or kids. The value in this post is for newbies to be active at all times, not take a reactive approach to life. Always be gaming.

Take up for for FO is a good reminder, especially when one of your kids talks back to your wife, this happened to me the other day, after I manned up on him, I made my boy apologize to his mom. She had that fuck me look and glow too afterwards.

Stop being a bunch of pussies who twist and warp every post to the extreme - that’s what chicks and betas do.. they can’t see the nuisance details... only black and white. No grey area. Most of life happens in the grey area. Most of the work gets done in the grey area.

There’s value in reading a good field report of our principles in action.

Fuck off.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Surprised by the broad-sweeping assumptions that:

  • I took my wife out with my bros
  • Just because I said he was big means I am not
  • Him being big means he's jacked 8%bf and high SMV like the fucking Rock or something
  • I didn't have a read on the guy during the confrontation
  • I should always be in fight mode scanning my surroundings. No thanks. We were having fun together. Been there a hundred times never had an issue. If someone jumps me they jump me. Not gonna live like that.
  • I left my wife open to attack.
  • It's always white knighting when you stand up for a woman.

Almost no one was able to look at the macro message here and it devolved into mental masturbation about what John Wick would fucking do and the wording of the title. That's on me for leaving too much room for interpretation. I am a big dude, this never happens to me, I took that for granted, and was caught off guard. Lesson learned, and there is value for me in that feedback. But I handled it when it happened and came out a better man. Held my cool, de-escalated the situation, got what I wanted, and felt no fear. End of story. All you faggots who would run your wife out the door are almost as pathetic as guys who are afraid to take their wives places where other men might hit on them or confront you.
 
Sometimes, it ain't this complicated. As a side note, this particular place is majority women, easy dread game, and a lot of fucking fun.

[–]Alpha_Engineer992 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are programmed to save time and energy, so they assume shit, take the easy way out, and go with it, instead of doing the work and thinking how it might apply to their own situation.

Field reports help out newbs and intermediate players. We need more of these to see the theory in practice, not just the skills and tactics but mindsets as well. I thought it was a good post.

People, even the retarded, need to learn how to mine for gold and value in posts and ignore the rest.

I could just reply “skittles” to every post too and rack in the upvotes.. but what’s the fucking point. I’m not here for imaginary points. It’s not a game to me. This has given me so much, I won’t treat it like the fucking View.

Like it said, fuck the naysayers.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it ain't this complicated

/thread . . . lmao. nice summary OP

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the more you know.

well played

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red25 points26 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Two things:

First, lift more so you get bigger.

Second, shame on you for not keeping your head on a swivel esp. when you went for the Uber. Your wife saw him lunge at your but you didn’t?

Situational awareness is key. Always check your six.

Homework: Watch John Wick a few times. See how he looks around a room.

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've been in enough fights and gotten jumped out of nowhere to learn this the hard way. Dudes never call you out; they usually come from nowhere.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

My best strategies to stop fights? Realize men are scared to death of a fight, but are even more scared of losing their previous ego.

Give em an out, and they always take it.

unless they come out of nowhere, like McGill said

[–]JudgeDoom69MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Second best strategy would be to simply jack his drunk jaw up one time. If you're quick enough, get maybe a second shot in before the bouncers are all over it.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I suppose.

For a guy I've never met, or ever meet again, it does seem like a lot of effort though

[–]JudgeDoom69MRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right, it's probably not the best advice, one could end up locked up, but...

your SO won't mention to her girlfriends the next day about that time you made good strong eye contact with some drunk bully at the club. But pop him in the face once, and she'll be on her phone complain/bragging about you the entire next day.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I don't disagree. I've often told that story of the guy I had to choke slam off my wife when I was in Seattle.

I also remember that time I was at a bar in my hometown, during the bull riding Thursday night events. Some guy, as a joke, cut off his buddies pony tail (8 years of growth) and he chased him out of the club.

I remember heading outside an hour later, and 3 bounders had him on the pavement, and he was squealing like a pig. Supposedly lost a tooth along with his haircut.

I spent way too much money for these teeth already

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except, the fucking bouncers may not do shit; or, they may jump YOUR ass.

In a bar fight years ago, I was drunker than I had ever been, had asshole I'm fighting , and his gf had jumped onto my back. The bartender/owner/somebody came around from behind bar, saying "I don't need this", so, I let up, thinking he was going to separate things. Still don't know what the fuck he came from behind bar for...never saw him again.

[–]fuckmrpMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Fucking John Wick? Yea maybe follow that up with the matrix and learn how to stop bullets too. This is some never been advice right here.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

Reeves was trained by Taran Tactical for all his movements in the movie. The way he operates in the movie is some of the best "firearm acting" in modern television.

Go watch some of Taran's YT videos, then come back here and tell me that what he does in that movie is Hollywood fiction.

I am not talking about fairyland Martix where Reeves stops bullets. That is BS.

[–]fuckmrpMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Been awhile but I’m fairly sure Reeves uses center axis relock in regards to firearms on that film. I’m also own a few glock mods from TT so....

My point is movies are not real no matter what research went into them the end game is about visual aesthetics.

If you want to learn situational awareness then take a class in situational awareness. Would you learn to be a shrimp boat captain by watching forest gump?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes he uses CAR in a good portion of the movie. I have trained with it, and it works well. It is good for CQC, he also switches to traditional, and weaver in the movie as well.

Regardless, my only point was that OP sucks at situational awareness. I could have suggested he go take a class on it, I suppose.

Movie seemed to be more up his alley.

[–]gameoflibidos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

John Wick actually has some of the best and most accurate hand to hand and close quarters combat sequences as you will find in any movie.

He is overly hard to kill obviously and taking out that many people is not realistic, but how he fights, moves, shoots, etc. is all very real and very tactical

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Situational awareness, read a Jack Reacher book

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing more unpredictable than a drunk, unless it is two drunks. I think you got lucky.

Unless you have the skills to take on two guys in a bar, you took risks that you did not have to. Bar fights get bloody fast and the injuries can be very serious. Been there and done that, because I was stupider than you.

Either you hit hard with kill shots, or you walk away. Your half-way confrontation could have really gone sideways on you.

Sorry OP, (IMO) you put yourself and your bride in harms way. I think the dick move was yours.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

First things first...the title does not match the content. I thought it was going to be a post where FO makes a reasonable mistake and instead of throwing her under the bus he backs her up. I don't glean anything valuable relating to male/female sexual dynamics from this post.

That said...yeah I totally get 2v1 in a bar could be bad. But what's he supposed to do then? The guy is purposely running into him (and I've been in a few clubs where a guy is purposely throwing himself at me in a mosh over and above normal) but then walking up and grabbing his wife's beer and trying to drink it? He held it together nicely enough to calmly but sternly address the situation with an air of "Look, we're all under the influence here...you don't want to do this...let's back off." and they did. I guess he could just cut his night short and run...but really?

[–]LDRSHICMS3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The debate I think is whether it is more "manly/masculine" to:

  • Realize you are against the odds but stand up anyway betting on confidence and balls to get you through (Confrontation: I'm serious, no nonsense attitude, alpha projection, drop it or this is going to get real).
  • Realize you are against the odds and rather than risk a huge fight where you are going to potentially risk serious injury or a night in the hospital/jail thereby being avoidant of confrontation (No confrontation: usher out your wife, leave the bros to do bro things like stealing a beer).

It seems that OP is advocating for the former, but I do think there is a level of debate her. Potentially risking going to the hospital (or potentially your wife going to the hospital) over some douchey bro who wants to steal her beer I don't personally think is worth it, especially if outnumbered. I am not prepared to execute force in that situation. The feeling that I need to do so in order to come off as "alpha" or whatever I think is mere ego, and is possibly more beta than anything as, especially if outnumbered, you are risking shit you probably shouldn't over a trivial situation that isn't really worth it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For the record if you're stepping into conflict to be or show "alpha" then you're not alpha, it's ego. I think there we agree. This comes off as more of something that's so outrageous you just cannot stand for based on principle.

As a parallel...your wife routinely hits you. You could walk away and get a restraining order or whatever or you could grab her arm and say "you will not fucking hit me again". Then maybe she goes and reports you to the police and you lose.

So I understand the logic behind it and maybe I'm just a lobster that hasn't been beaten down enough to know to stop engaging (as JBP might put it). It's not like I want to engage a fight against 2 guys but if sternly asserting that he needs to give the beer back and back off means we fight, well, I guess here we are.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is essentially where I'm coming from.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

  1. Realize you are against the odds but stand up anyway betting on confidence and balls to get you through (Confrontation: I'm serious, no nonsense attitude, alpha projection, drop it or this is going to get real).

  2. Realize you are against the odds and rather than risk a huge fight where you are going to potentially risk serious injury or a night in the hospital/jail thereby being avoidant of confrontation

  3. (No confrontation: usher out your wife, leave the bros to do bro things like stealing a beer).

This is the essence of my original comment. I have done all three. When you do the first and it works, great. But recognize there is some luck or happenstance involved.

When you do the second someone goes home with scars, and I got some too.

When you do the third, the results are much less stark raving macho, and, much more predictable, and, much safer for your woman.

Granted I am older than dirt and that has some bearing here.

[–]j_arbuckle20122 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are the only person talking sense in this thread.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a very fair assessment. Men take risks. I took option 1. Option 2/3 are the same to me because if you back down and don't usher her out you just made yourself a target for the rest of the night and missed the opportunity to show you aren't a pussy. Not saying you are necessarily a pussy if you leave, as long as you are doing it from a place of logic and not fear.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only you could possibly assess that situation with any accuracy, the rest of us just have to autistically piece it together from your written account. We give our simplistic opinions and solutions based on our experiences.

Based on MY experience, of how I would have delivered the message you did, there would have probably been an escalation. We can attribute that to your delivery maybe being smoother, less aggressive and less antisocial than me. Or you can attribute it to you being in a higher class bar than I typically visit.** There are many factors from my experience and perspective, that gave me cause to offer you my opinion.

as long as you are doing it from a place of logic and not fear.

Have no doubt of that. Back to my protector role, there is the other issue, that my poor old wife would probably not survive just one stray punch. The tactical retreat, if called for (that only you would know in this situation) is a reasonable tactic to employ here IMO.

**Edit: For me, the thrill of a low class honky tonk, with sweaty hard drinking red-neck men and horny trailer trash women, that's the good life.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are having this conflict in your head in real-time and your gut instinct isn't to just grab the beer immediately, you've already lost and should take the out. There's no "trying to be alpha" when it comes to instinct. If you aren't, your instinct will reflect that. That doesn't mean that leaving is not "alpha" (term is retarded), it means if you go with your instincts you are good, if you go against them and try to put on a facade to impress your wife, you're "beta".

[–]LDRSHICMS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree the term is asinine. I think part of being the best man you can be is having a certain level of control over more primitive instinctual motivations and drives. Sure, a lot of the time this part of our brain kicks in first, but we have other more evolved regions of the brain that are supposed to come in and engage and say "is this really the smartest/strongest thing I can be doing right now [in alignment with my own personal value structures]?" and I think you should have that level of self-awareness in as real-time as possible.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. Don't disagree you shouldn't be logical in your actions. I'm speaking of instincts in more of a "trust your gut" way and not a biological instinct like crying for milk when you're a baby, but obviously was not clear about that seeing as the literal definition of the word would mean otherwise. I think we are sort of saying the same thing here. If your gut/logic are not in sync, best move is to bail, no matter what that combination looks like.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He held it together nicely enough to calmly but sternly address the situation with an air of "Look, we're all under the influence here...you don't want to do this...let's back off." and they did

Not the way I read it (or misread it). Tone is everything. The way you put it, it makes sense.

[–]red-sfpplus 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You wanna know how many bar fights I have been in?

Zero

Wanna know how many big dudes have put their arms around me?

Zero

Wanna know how many times I have left my wife behind to go piss and come back and have 2-3 guys around her?

More times than I can count. Last time the one of them bough my drinks the rest of the night.

If you are drinking to the point you can not maintain awareness of your surroundings, then you are asking for it.

It also helps being a big dude, people don’t wanna fuck with. Even though I would be the one to avoid fights.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not quite sure how this fits in with what I wrote.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong thread. Sorry.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Last time I was at a nightclub the HB10 I was with pushed a HB9 who came up to close to me. I miss my single days.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny, that same night this girl we had met at another bar beforehand kept coming up to us and went in to get my number right in front of my wife with the excuse of "we should all smoke together" although my wife and I don't smoke weed. Wife kept cool but was like, "you should go home to your boyfriend". Would have been funny as shit if she pushed the girl.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED14 points15 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

Was at the club with my wife.

Kinda stopped reading there. Not sure I would take a sheep into a den of wolves. What's the reason you tool her?

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Who is the sheep? I take a girl where ever I want to.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I take a girl where ever I want to.

Of course, and I do the same, but it's a weird premise here because "the club" is where you go with your guy friends, typically. And we all know that's just a generalization, but it's one that has held up for generations of going to the club, the pub, the speakeasy, etc.

I wouldn't get angry at a guy at the club for talking smack to the woman or women I bring there. I expect it, and don't see any reason to white knight for the gal I'm with. I'd expect my GF (or wife) to stand up for herself in that situation.

I know there's a lot of diversity in the opinion of white knighting for your wife or not, but I don't agree with OP here at all. I guess it's also that I don't find fun in getting drunk or spending time with folks getting drunk, so I'm biased there of course.

I don't white knight for the women I let into my life. I think I choose women who can stand up for themselves just fine.

If it wasn't a club, if it was some random idiot on the street that grabbed her purse or something, I'd assume I'd back her up if she wanted to pummel the miscreant to the ground, but white knighting against some drunk guy in a bar?

That's why guys go to the bar, to get drunk, have fun, be cocky bastards, peacock a bit. Wonder if that guy is on a TRP forum somewhere telling his side of the story about the "beta cuck who white knighted some skank at a nightclub the other night."

Just pointing out the diversity in red pill opinions, of course.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Meh.

The club is a social place. People go there to dance. I know you don’t like spending money but some people enjoy those activities.

It creates a nice push/ pull dynamic and allows you to flirt more and have women check you out in front of your girl.

As for white knight - I don’t think that applies to being married in this situation. We can discuss the idea of whether a man should be married elsewhere.

Tell me this - your woman / women - never asked you for advice or maybe to introduce her to a business contact ? It’s not much different if you assume that this is Your woman. Don’t come back with “it’s just your turn”.

Enough married and LTR’ed men have a woman that doesn’t cheat for them to be able to call her theirs- at least in that moment.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Enough married and LTR’ed men have a woman that doesn’t cheat for them to be able to call her theirs- at least in that moment.

I've always been in an LTR of some sort since I started dating at 13. So it's going on 31 years now that I've always been in an LTR. Been married, too. Wasn't any different other than the financial shackles. I am not against marriage, in fact I think the more powerful and wealthy you get, the smarter marriage is. The same is true about poverty: the poorer you are, the smarter marriage is. It's the middle ground I'm unsure of, but I always assume folks on reddit are either aiming for wealth or aiming for poverty, never the middle ground.

Still, through all of those LTRs and the one marriage, I always knew what dad warned me about: she is yours until she isn't. I never hated women for that. If anything, I loved my wife for me, and I love my current girlfriend for it, because once I fuck up enough, she's out, and I know it isn't her fault for not knowing why.

It's a good reminder not to fuck up. Not because of her, but because of me. Time is too precious to fuck up.

I wouldn't take my LTR (or wife) to a club to get drunk with the boys. Not because I'm a scared pussy, but because it doesn't add purpose to my life. I guess it adds purpose to OPs.

If I ever owned a bar or club again, I wouldn't bring my LTR or wife there either. I didn't back in the 20s when I was financially involved in a nightclub. My girlfriend asked, I said "No, you're above those kids, this is my job where I make money" and that was that.

Sadly, I met my (now ex-) wife at that same club, lol.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, I met my (now ex-) wife at that same club, lol.

Before learning not to do that

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Before learning not to do that

Well, my marriage was a public ass fucking no doubt. I had money, she had more money and family connections with endless money. Nobody ever warned me about women with money and family. They always warned me about girls with tattoos and loose morals. She had those too, unfortunately. No regrets, though -- if it doesn't kill you...

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it doesn’t kill you it still might blow out your legs and cock.

But I’m talking women - not IED’s

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody ever warned me about women with money and family.

Uh, wait a minute...nobody ever warned me about women with money and family, and I've read the sidebar. WTF??

[–]CucumberedSandwiches4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound fun.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red15 points16 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone is a pussy like you.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED12 points13 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I post on reddit under my real name/identity. Have posted on red pill blogs with my real name forever. Posted on red pill forums online since 1987 or so.

Always was curious how anonymous cowards on reddit or the internet can get off calling someone a pussy, but can't back up anything they say/do themselves.

That, by the way, is how one draws a line in the sand.

[–]hystericalbonding14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Posted on red pill forums online since 1987 or so

Prescient of them to have red pill forums over a decade before The Matrix came out.

That, by the way, is how one draws a line in the sand.

No, a line in the sand involves consequence for crossing it.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Prescient of them to have red pill forums over a decade before The Matrix came out.

It wasn't called red pill in the 80s. It also wasn't called red pill in the 1970 when Eric Weber wrote a book that created the first real red pill communities, although subject matter actually was "invented" in writing in the 1930s from psychotherapist Al Ellis. Look it up.

The red pill communities in the 80s are still archived if you can find any of the old compuserve "text files". A lot of that shit regurgitated the same shit people are blowing about today. Same discussions, same topics, endlessly same shit.

[–]hystericalbonding9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It's all rewording of basic psychology mixed with whining and unwarranted boasting, usually related to insecurity.

Interesting that you've been lurking these kinds of forums for 30 years and you still have a problem with a guy taking his girl to a club.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Interesting that you've been lurking these kinds of forums for 30 years and you still have a problem with a guy taking his girl to a club.

I'm not a red piller -- my ethos is weaker (if that's possible) but my logos is far stronger. I find that the guys who come to red pill for "what does it all mean?" are give it an attempt and find it's lacking will eventually come to me. And when they do, I find companions in the world.

The thing is, I trust and believe in the red pill structures over the years, so for the bottom 80% of men, it's good enough. The other 20% red pill is missing wouldn't do anything for them.

It's all rewording of basic psychology mixed with whining and unwarranted boasting, usually related to insecurity.

Insecurity comes from people hiding behind pseudonyms, so don't play those words on me. As I said, I don't hide behind anything. A secret persona can't be talking about insecurity -- you hide because you're afraid. There's no other purpose of anonymity.

I promote myself in a world of anonymous cowards. Much like Roosh, I want the money and the power. I always have, always will, and about 1 in 20 that come to red pill and it resonates with them end up wanting more from life. Even MRP guys, 1 in 20 say "shit this stuff works, it's amazing, I can totally live" and then a year or two later it's "that's it? it's just about pussy?" and they find me, or guys like me.

[–]hystericalbonding6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a red piller

That's clear from the amount of DEERing and counterattacking.

"Avoiding clubs is a sign of insecurity"

"I'm not a coward - you are!"

There's no other purpose of anonymity.

You lack imagination.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

You lack imagination.

i consider myself to have a lot of imagination; but i'm struggling with another reason besides "fear" for anonymity.

enlighten me. honest question . . . not measuring dicks here.

[–]hystericalbonding2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Respect for family. My wife read all my old posts. She doesn't care if I am involved going forward as long as I follow the framework that we discussed. My kids should have no connection to this. The vast majority of what is posted on reddit is horseshit. I don't want to be connected to tinfoil hat MRA crap or some of the ridiculous stuff posted by newbies. Guilt by association is more than enough in the age of #metoo. On a related note, I continue to grow less inclined to participate in most threads. OYS is a better way to waste my time.

Career. Look at what happened to RPS. pk_atheist

Privacy. One of the same reasons I don't use Facebook, have an unlisted number, use office address instead of home address on forms, etc. I'm here for entertainment and to occasionally identify blind spots. I have no intention of wasting more time here than I choose to. I'm here on my terms, or I won't be involved.

Recognizing my own failings. This is my one remaining omega habit. Limiting it and keeping some distance from it helps to keep me comfortable that I can log off any time. I was gone for months, returning because I had slipped on some OYS stuff with respect to conditioning, career, and stress management. When I feel comfortably reset, I'll wander off again, with nothing tethering me here.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

:slowclap:

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Is that supposed to be funny, sarcastic, or a projection that you can't admit that the only pussy in any online discussion is the one too fearful of his boss, his wife or his friends and family to actually not have to hide behind a pseudonym?

Just admit it, you lost this argument by default.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Regardless of how awesome you think you are:

Your comment was a pussy comment. Period.

Now, you may or may not be a pussy IRL, I don’t know and honestly do not care.

But a person who posts that they are afraid to take their woman to a club, for fear of other men is:

Projecting the fact, that they are in the moment: A pussy.

And there never was an argument. Just me stating facts.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A guy who white knights for a woman is weaksauce. Pick your women better so they can stand up for themselves, and you hold back the jerk's friends while she whips the moron's ass into shape.

A guy who takes his woman to go drinking with the boys is an idiot on top of it, plus white knighting for her? Ugh.

There's a lot of pussies here, but I'm not one of them. We used to call them manginas back in the 90s on TRP forums -- usually husbands who had to go and defend their wives at the clubs we were at. The same wives we'd get in contact with later, too.

Not sure how MRP went to shit like TRP here did, but white knighting had always been considered a useless measure for getting laid with the gal you're with. I don't think it's sexy at all. I think a gal who can stand up for herself is sexy, and if she can't, she shouldn't be at the club in the first place.

She's not yours, it's just your turn.

And, yeah, I know I'm awesome. I don't think it.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your not just a pussy, but a dumb fucking one at that.

White Knighting is not the same as protecting your wife from physical harm from someone else.

OP is a idiot for first not having situational awareness when big dude and his bro came up. Then he further fucked up by allowing the big dude to assert himself physically over him by allowing another man to wrap his arm around him. Finally big dude when in for the kill with the beer steal.

From that point on, OPs spider senses should have been on high alert with regards to big dude. Know where he is and the fact he missed him when they left, OP strikes out.

Fuck the sex. Fuck the fact his wife thought he was hot. None of that precludes the fact OP was either to drunk to employ necessary awareness or to dumb.

Big dude saw a small dude and he did what drunk big dudes do - they try to AMOG. That is what this post is about.

I don’t give a shit how packed the dance floor is. Yeah, people bump into each other fine. But once it was clear that it wasn’t a bump OPs defense actions should have kicked in mentally, and they did not.

Now, you need to STFU with your bullshit. If you think it is a womans job to protect herself physically from a big dude, well you are a fucking idiot. Esp if that woman is your wife or GF. This is not white knighting, if you think it is your fucking autistic.

Now STFU with your real name, DOB and whatever else you think credentialize you when your advice is shit.

Go back to the Vape reddits where it is acceptable to blow smoke up other peoples asses.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

White Knighting is not the same as protecting your wife from physical harm from someone else.

It's mate guarding to some degree, and since we weren't there, naturally I'm one to not trust the situation as written -- especially when alcohol is involved. But my problem is the damned title.

This topic comes up on MRP often, and has for years. The best thing to do I think is quote MRP writers who people trust:

IMHO, there really is only one way to ‘mate guard’ and that is to have a clearly higher sex rank. - Athol Kay

Using strategic pluralism theory as a guide, we can see how mate guarding behavior in predominantly Beta men would have evolved out of necessity - Rollo Tomasi

Beta males mate guard, alpha males disregard. - Heartiste

This EXACT TOPIC has come up here before: I'm at a bar drunk with my drunk wife and some grunt comes and does "something bad" and I defended her. This has come up on MRP and RP blogs, too. White knighting, mate guarding, etc -- the problem isn't the effect, the problem is the cause.

Big dude saw a small dude and he did what drunk big dudes do - they try to AMOG. That is what this post is about.

No, this post is "Stick Up for Your FO" -- nothing to do with AMOG. It's about SMV in the end, and no matter what the wife said in words, SMV drops when you white knight or mate guard like that. Pay attention to her actions, not her words is a rule, but we're discussing what she said? Lol.

If this was about AMOG, the entire wife wouldn't have been in the entire story except as maybe a one word mention. Naturally this is MRP so we would know it meant wife, but the focus on this post is the woman, not the alpha.

How many times is SHE mentioned versus "I" here?

I agree with your points on OP though, 100%. I think we'd probably agree more than disagree if it wasn't for internet delays and the inability to convey body language and facial expressions well.

Go back to the Vape reddits where it is acceptable to blow smoke up other peoples asses.

I made nearly 7 figures thanks to vaping over just 5 or 6 years and retired from work at age 41, a little bit because of those great folks. What are you doing to do the same?

I post on reddit and red pill forums/blogs under my real name because it made me money. That was it, plain and simple. I write comments to drive attention to the subject and then drive attention to whatever product or service I am selling. At the moment I'm retired, but I always have my fingers in pots in some way. May as well promote that later indirectly.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good. I am glad you agree with me.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I went to a local charity gala last night with my wife.

Do you think charity galas are a problem too? There were lots of well dressed men there.

[–]beta_no_mo2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Completely different venues and behaviors.

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Is it though? Or is it your weak mindset?

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ive been to both. Way more fucking going on in the back rooms at the Gala vs club. Highly recommend the Gala.

These guys are either clueless or just trolling ITT

[–]weakandsensitive7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Surprised guys here are acting like a nightclub is some sort of special place of debauchery. It's 90% people sitting around getting drunk - and when they're drunk enough they might take a shot with their liquid courage. Closing a meat market nightclub is one of the saddest scenes. If I ever lose my wife to any guy at a nightclub, the problem won't be the venue I can guarantee you that - I must've become the most pathetic fuck in the world for that to happen.

Grocery stores, PTA meetings, Galas, Day Gaming, etc. are ALL venues where social interaction, flirting, and potential branch swinging happen. God forbid your woman have a hobby...

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having my wife whisked away by this bro never even crossed my mind.

[–]beta_no_mo0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You go to charity galas where dudes get knocked out for a spilled drink and drunk chicks suck dick on the dance floor?

[–]weakandsensitive5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Stick to larping

[–]beta_no_mo-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh shit. Are you a mage too? What level are you?

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your aa sucks too.

[–]beta_no_mo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the FR, boo.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No worries. Stick to jerking off in askTRP.

Note: User was banned for 31 days. I took at look at his post history. Literally nothing of value posted to MRP. If anyone is going to miss him, send a message and I'll revisit.

[–]abdadaHARD CORE RED-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What does well dressed men have to do with it?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every girl crazy bout a sharp dressed man.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why be intimidated by wolves or afraid for your sheep?

[–]Alphaphux1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And what if he escalated... what then big fella?

He was baiting you and you took it, you’re all “look at my massive nuts and my wife loves it” but you were lucky his mate was on hand to keep him from going you. I’m not suggesting he would win but did you really want to find out?

An alpha protects his fold from harm, you were protecting your ego, was the guy about to punch your wife? I’m guessing no, and if he had knocked you out she is now more vulnerable than before... A drunk guy stole her beer, big fucking deal...

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stick up for your wife when called upon

Betas guard

These are not the same thing. Part of the reason women shit test their partners (and potential partners) is because they want to know that you are man enough to protect them. This isn't the same as in a white knight type of protection. I remember about a year ago a guy on asktrp was complaining about his wife shit testing him. She was bitching at him because he wouldn't meet her at the bus stop and walk with her to their 3rd floor condo a few blocks away. She was doing this at 11pm at night. His idea was to leave her to walk alone, instead of recognizing that she wanted him to be her alpha man and protect her when she is in fear.

[–]financialwar0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What is FO?

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck Off

[–]financialwar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your Fuck Off? Is that another meme for SO?

[–]broneilbroUnplugging-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha is a mindset not body set...with that said. Lift motherfucker!

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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