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As you may know from askMRP post (which was clearly a troll post for folks who don’t realize it) my wife and I celebrated our 13 year anniversary on the 12th. Last night I arranged to take the kids to “kids night out” at the gymnastics place here in town, so we had a free evening from 6-10pm Sat night!

Wife and I got dolled up and went up the street to the local sports bar that has a band, and overall good scenery. It is a 35-50 year old type place, so it is good for us. We get there at 6:05pm on the nose and post up at the bar and order some shrimp apps and drinks, and start the evening.

Before we went out, I had told my wife about a social experiment I was going to try in which I will call the styrofoam cup (SC for short.) I had read about the SC in another post, and the gist of the post was that a guy got his drink in a SC for the sole purpose of a conversation topic, and to gauge female reactions.

After we had a few drinks and enjoyed our apps, the bar started to fill up with other old people like us around 7:00pm, so I knew that I had 3 hours for my test. By this time several groups of guys had shown up, as well as women in their typical GNO attire.

The plan was simple, in our typical fashion we would make some bar friends and see what happens with the ladies in their GNO groups. I had no idea what was going to happen next.

Being an old guy, it only takes an hour or so for me and then the seal gets broken. So off to the mens room I go. When I come back there are two guys that have moved in on her, which is very typical for us. I come back and make my presence known (both are out of shape, typical 40 year-old dudes), and pick up my SC cup. Bro #1 sees me take a drink from my SC immediately asks why I am drinking from a SC? I tell him I am clumsy and like having a lid on my drink, but it is more the facial expression I gave that did the communication. They both respond with an awkward laugh and smile, and kind of look at each other.

Before anything else happens, the same Bro has waved over the bartender, and orders himself and his Bro a drink, but for some reason orders my wife and I a drink as well. When the drinks come, the bartender (whom we have socialized with in the past) puts all 4 drinks down and tells me that the Bro ordered our drinks and they are on him. I look at him to say thanks, and he tells me that he did it because I should drink out of a glass properly, and not out of a SC cup. I smile, shake his hand and tell him thank you for the round. Minutes later I pour the drink into my SC cup and keep on going with our night.

I was very surprised at this point by the reaction from this man. I have no idea what his logic was, if he was trying to AMOG me, or what? Why did he buy my wife and I a drink after literally less than 5 minutes of interaction? I saw the bartender hand the drinks to us, so I know they are clean. I have tossed drinks away people have given me, because of obvious reasons, but straight from the bartender, meh.

So here we are, about 7:30 or so and already have a beta Billy buying our drinks, so now I decide to add on another layer of the game. The SC is clearly working in some fashion, but not how I expect thus far. We post up and watch a table of 3 women (late 30’s early 40’s 5&6’s) get approached by other people, and promptly pushed away.

Every single one of the men approached in the same fashion – from the back angle. Imagine a round tall top bar table big enough for 5, and 3 women on one side somewhat sandwiched together to watch the band that will be starting up around 9:00. Which direction do you approach from? The fucking front. They need to see you coming. Listen boys, when you approach anyone from the corner of their eye, or backward direction they immediately are in a point of discomfort. Approach head on, so they have time to see you, size you up and realize you are not going to steal their purse. Don’t be a fucking insecure creeper.

It was time for me to make my move. The plan was simple, approach use the SC for conversation and then after a few minutes call the wife over and make it a party. I was not out to pick anyone up, and parties are always more fun with more people. We both love meeting random people out. It is a spice of life for us.

I approach with my SC, and I will spare you the details but I was sitting at their table within 60 seconds and the wife was over after that. The SC was a hit. Every single one of the women could not believe I was drinking out of a SC with a lid and a straw. They wanted to see the drink, they wanted to smell it and see if there was alcohol in there. It was ridiculous. When one of the women asked me why I do it, I told her that back in my youth I would use it as a piece of paper, and give it to women so they can write their phone numbers on it. One of the women took it and drew a pair of tits on it with a smiley face. By the end of the night, my SC was covered in graffiti, and a couple phone numbers.

After chilling for a bit, I notice that Bro #1 and #2 are still posted up at the bar, so I came up with an idea. I told the women we had met about our interaction with those men and how after less than 5 minutes they bought my wife and I drinks. I wanted to see it happen again, so I made a proposal/bet to the women.

I told them that I was going to invite them over to our table, and there was a very high likelihood that they would buy all 5 of us drinks. At first one of the women (the hottest) was very against it, but I reminded her how fun it is to get other people to buy drinks for us, and then her other two friends jumped on her, and said that they will “shoe” them away if they don’t buy a round within a few mins of coming over.

Well men, you can image what happens next. I signal Bro #1 over, and he just about runs across the bar floor. When he gets there he immediately tries to bust my balls about the SC, but he just had no skill set at all. I showed him my SC with the tits drawing on it as well as a few numbers, and I saw the “you’re not clumsy you’re an evil genius” look on his face appear.

Anyway, as you can image I was correct and they did get all of us another round of drinks. This mentality never stops surprising me. How guys think that by buying drinks for random women, (and men) that this will get them in. I know that my tab for 2 shrimp apps, and drinks (I paid for) was $80 which, in Dallas, drinking Grey Goose means that these two guys probably paid well over $50-$75 in drinks for my wife and I over a 2-hour time span. I know I had a couple on them, as well as my wife and they were buying the other 3 women their drinks, and there was ZERO, and I mean ZERO interest from them towards those men, other than being an ATM and providing free drinks. I never paid for another drink for my wife or I the rest of the night.

We left at 9:45pm on the dot, because we had the kids to get, so I will say that my social experiment was a blazing success. I had at least a dozen women ask me about the drink, and one very insure man try to tell me the proper way to drink. If he only knew, and if he only had the frame to even do something like this, he wouldn’t have spent hundreds of dollars buying random people drinks. They sure were not fucking me, or my wife that night, and neither one of them was doing a very good job with the other 3 women, that I introduced them to.

I honestly have no idea what their reasoning was. Maybe he was just trying to get them drunk enough, and go about it that way…

So, newbs hopefully you learn something.

  1. Don’t buy people drinks.
  2. Approach head on so they can see you coming. Esp. if you are HAWT.
  3. Don’t be afraid to try shit.
  4. Don’t buy people drinks.
  5. Be HAWT, and smile when you talk to people.
  6. Hi – is the perfect approach. It works for me 99% of the time. No one line bullshit.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Buying women drinks = shit test.

Roissy said it back in the day - https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/the-story-of-a-man-who-refused-to-buy-a-girl-a-drink/

"If a girl you just met is bold enough to ask you “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”, it means she is not attracted to you and does not respect you as a man. A woman who is attracted in a sexual way to you will also have feelings of respect for you. She will not risk blowing up the rapport and possible future dates by uttering a clumsy, socially retarded question like that."

Nice FR.

[–]weakandsensitive6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a great frame test. Blow up shit tests by laughing in their face.

[–]weakandsensitive16 points17 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I know you already know the answer - but this one's for the newbs.

This mentality never stops surprising me. How guys think that by buying drinks for random women, (and men) that this will get them in.

Why do men do this?

I talk a lot about value. A lot of men, I'm sure you'd see them if you saw them in the mirror, don't have any value. What do you do when you lack value? You compensate. The same way that when you don't have any frame, you compensate.

The lack of inherent value means that they know they have to bring something, but they have nothing to bring. So what do they do? They make the mistake of thinking that money == value. This is a huge mistake. Money does not equal value, money represents the potential for value. (If you think about it, the value of various types of currency changes a lot - so money does not have any inherent value).

It's the same reason why men approach in such cowardly and bullshit ways (like from the back, instead of direct - or better, a 15-20 degree angle, still in frame, but not necessarily as confrontational). That's why men have nothing to say either - they're so busy trying to be a dancing monkey instead of asking the question a valuable man would ask - how are YOU going to impress me? I'm attracted to you because you're good looking, now impress me.

But women don't like to be treated like whores by all men, just special men. If you're treated like a whore by all men, that's not a good feeling. But hey, if someone's gonna give you $20 for no good reason, who in the their right mind would say no? (Some women/people might, and those are also the ones worth knowing) But if your average guy had $100 to give to every he talked to, how much more courage would they have in terms of talking to people? They would have explicit value that they bring to the conversation. In reality, most guys feels like they don't have bring any value to a conversation - and this is true, most guys are absolutely useless losers (see FR).

However, if your time and what you bring is the equivalent of $100 - the fact that you're handsome, charming, and attractive, that by interacting with anyone, you make their night better, you should have exactly zero problems opening anyone - much less beautiful women. The challenge though is that the value proposition changes depending on the target audience. Bill Gates isn't going to stop to pick up a $100 bill - it's not relatively valuable enough to be worth the time. That gorgeous brunette that knows everyone wants her is going to react different to being approached than the slightly homely looking girl that everyone overlooks.

So why do men buy drinks for women and the men those women are fucking? Because they have nothing else to do and need to value leech somehow.

6

Oh man, if we're going advanced PUA stuff,

6a. don't lean in to talk to a girl. Get her to lean into you so you whisper into her ear. If she's not going to lean in to listen to you, she doesn't care that much. If she's leaning into you, she's showing interesting. If you're leaning into her, you're showing interest. Pay attention to the balance - find people who are interested in you too.

6b. if you're sexually interested in a women, think about her sexually as you're talking to her. you'll communicate intent better. but remember to look in her eyes. you can communicate a lot with your eyes - learn!

6c. compliance testing is king.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

6a:

One of the women I approached actually thanked me for not crowding her when I talked to her.

She literally said she shoes men away who do not understand space boundaries.

15 mins later my hand was on this womans back as we talked at the table.

Never another word about personal space.

Start far, close the distance, start kino. Even when your intent is to not close. It should become automatic.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Oh man, if we're going advanced PUA stuff,

6a. don't lean in to talk to a girl. Get her to lean into you so you whisper into her ear. If she's not going to lean in to listen to you, she doesn't care that much. If she's leaning into you, she's showing interesting. If you're leaning into her, you're showing interest. Pay attention to the balance - find people who are interested in you too.

6b. if you're sexually interested in a women, think about her sexually as you're talking to her. you'll communicate intent better. but remember to look in her eyes. you can communicate a lot with your eyes - learn!

thats advanced PUA??

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

posture, body language, and subcommunication are more advanced concepts than style and approach, yup.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

its basic human interaction.

but what do I know

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lots of guys are learning from movies.

its basic human interaction.

Welcome to MRP.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

short, fat , that was me.

but unable to talk? cant imagine

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ever in sales?

Any sales job helps these things automagically.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone is in sales. Get me?

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people have to get through basic adulting before basic human interaction.

Sometimes when looking at AskMRP the first question I have is: "Would a normal adult do this?" All too many times the answer is no, and they need to go to Adulting 101. Sad really.

Edit: Like the dude who was talking about mashed potatoes. I mean really...

[–]RedPillCoachMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is shocking how little most men know about basic human interaction.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is gold, or better....double platinum....especially the value bit.

Hat tips

[–]inowpronounceyou10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm just impressed you got all that in between 6 and 10 and still picked up the kids on time.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

nice report. i have done the same thing with a red solo cup in a swanky bar/restaurant at a resort. no wife; but was with my buddy and our kids.

i think what you are observing is what happens when a fish swims against the social current. all the other fish are enthralled.

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[–]Marcus_Aurtrillius1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lived in DFW for a while, and travelled parts of the South. And I've done this. I'm a darker shade than OP (most likely) so every time I'd go into a club/bar/party with my own cup (doubled up), the chicks thought I was drinking "lean" lmao.

Of course, I wasn't. But it was fun fuckin with them.

CSB

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Approach head on so they can see you coming.

Very often overlooked. Even at home, initiating with the wife, head on works much better than trying to grab,grope or paw from behind.

It asserts dominance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Noted. I always do the book scoop from behind when the woman is cooking

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

(7) Almost anything can be used to peacock.

Cool story.

[–]Alpha_Engineer994 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cool. Reminds me of something my friend did in college. He would go out with a coconut , with the top cut off. He would order a drink and put it in his cup holder (coconut).. instant conversation topic from anyone. If a chick asked about it, he had this pre made story about how were will on spring break last year and went on a an excursion where we had to climb a tree and see if we could get a coconut. Chicks loved it.

Dude was ahead of his time.

[–]throwawaynumber8560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot number 7: Don’t buy people drinks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome!

[–]bonjarno650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This story made my work day a little more amusing. Hah

[–]LazyA10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only exception to rule #1 in my book is on $0.25 tap beer night at this bowling alley bar we used to go to. The special ended at 10:00 and they had to limit it to two at a time so all the guys wouldn't just buy a whole table full of beers before the special ended. They handed everyone their two Dixie cups at the door and when you needed another beer, you had to swap your cup for a full one. All the guys figured out that they could increase their Dixie cup possession limit by getting extra cups from women who didn't really care to drink beer. It was also kind of a good excuse to talk to women, so helped the place's reputation as a place to hookup. The standard trade was to buy the woman a glass of (cheap) wine in exchange for her Dixie cups. You saved the price of two more beers at the cutoff, so it was pretty much a wash.

[–]whitesocks2000-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am reading this and thinking what a dumb fuck.

[–]reigorius-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Were you in need of an ego boost? Because your post sounds like it. I don't see the value in calling other men chumps, beta's and blabla. What good does it do? And who cares?

[–]RedPillCoachMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are right the ad-hominems are gratuitous but do you really fail to see the value of this post?

[–]reigorius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Certainly, but he could have done so without putting others down. To me, there is no value in that and waters down the message.

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