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  1. Never ever apologize. Ever. You will fuck this up and say "I'm sorry" from time to time. Those fuckups are the actual allowable number of times you should apologize.

  2. Make time each day, preferrably when you're in the house together, to do something productive just for you (e.g. I go to the garage and lift or go to the basement and clean my guns). Don't allow yourself to be disturbed while doing said activity. Make this time sacred...don't let her disrupt it (she'll try...tell her, "Not now...let's talk when I'm done here.")

  3. Never let her mood dictate yours. Ever. Maintain your frame and be unshakeable. Never let her realize that her mood can sway you.

  4. Adhere to the 3:2 ratio in all aspects of communication. If she sends you a text and you must respond, make it shorter than hers. For every 3 texts/emails she sends you, send her 2.  And make them 1/3 shorter.

  5. Always end a phone call first; You do the wrapping up and the, "well, I gotta go" shpeal, not her.  And when it comes to texts or email exchanges, make your goal to never be the last one hanging.  Let her be the last to email or text without you responding.


[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This takes me back to my “The red pill is training wheels for betas” post. Whilst all of these points are useful rules on how to be more alpha they are also just a few of the things mentioned in the commandments of poon. The idea that you always text less than she does etc is some entry level stuff which does not apply when you are truly the boss. When you are the boss you can pretty much do whatever you want. If I fuck up then I will own my error, if I want to have a long chat on the phone or give her the comfort she craves with some emojis on a text, then I can do it with impunity. These sorts of rules are useful for apprentices, but the goal should always be to become a master.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]SimilarSalvation27 points28 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree with 1.

Apologizing is part of OYS. We are not perfect, we are human and we make mistakes... Nothing to worry about, no big deal but part of the real life.

If (When) you make a mistake / major fuck-up, you have got to own it. Don't go crying to mummy, no big confessions as to what you did, what you intended to do, what went wrong, how you will avoid it in the future and if she pretty please will forgive you because you will never do it again (= pretty much, D.E.E.R.-ing) but a manly: "yup, I did wrong, I will fix it, don't you worry, babe" never hurt anybody...

...and is proof you OYS.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Owning fuckups are not the same as apologizing.

Stubbornly apolagetic. If you did something, you knew and accepted the concequences, so theres nothing to apologize for. If you didn't know the concequences, you were an idiot, and it won't happen again.

an apology serves two purposes. allieviate your guilt when the other person accepts the apology, and give the judgement for your actionsn to the other person.

OP may be low quality and paraphrasing a lot of good posts on these subjects, but yea, unless something died, don't apologize.

exactly what you described, not an apology

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Last night I made a huge deal out of apologizing to my wife, because "you never apologize for anything". I had accidentally used smartthings to control the light in her office. She will probably never ask me to apologize again. Think Frank Costanza.

Edit: My wife loves to corner me and demand apologies for wrong doing, and for the most part I treat them as shit tests.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I use the "drop in" command on the echo dot to annoy the crud out of my wife from another room. Try it some time. :)

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This may be the best tip I have ever received for Alexa. Congratulations are to you however, you may have ruined some lives.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Heh, I'll still sleep well at night.

Edit: A sample command would be "Alexa, drop in on kitchen dot. Honey, make me a sammich! Alexa off."

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy merps.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

[–]hashtag6zer0s1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Owning fuckups are not the same as apologizing.

Exactly. OYS=responsibility. Apologizing=submission.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think saying "I'm sorry" is only a big deal if you make it. The tone and your general frame will dictate what those words mean to her.

allieviate your guilt when the other person accepts the apology, and give the judgement for your actions to the other person.

If I say "I'm sorry" for something, it for sure is not followed by me waiting around for a response. It is instead me showing that I'm aware of some discomfort that I have unintentionally caused. It is also not me looking for or accepting judgement.

I'm trying to think of a recent example, but coming up empty. If I think of one I'll edit.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Owning fuckups are not the same as apologizing.

Pretty much my exact thought. I’ll own it if I mess up, but I very rarely say “I’m sorry.” It goes both ways. I’d rather have her own something than throw out an ingenuine “ok, sorry.” Not that I need either one, but owning is preferable.

Practical Female Psychology

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A month ago I had a discussion about why apologizing is never in your interests, deleted OP but as usual there are some gems in the comments...

I pushed for sex, wife went to sleep on couch, crying

[–]youcantdenythat8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

OYS is a personal private thing. Apologies only make someone appear weak. This goes 2x for women. If you haven't noticed, women rarely apologize unless they are desperate, groveling, or in fear of something. Even then they are insincere.

[–]hashtag6zer0s3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And this is exactly my point. I've been going on 18 months of hard core MRP and while reading the sidebar has proven vitally important, my personal observations are indispensable...I've observed my wife a lot and turned her shit on her by noting similarities in RP behavior and her own...she never apologizes, when we used to argue, she did most of the listening, when we'd communicate, her stuff was shorter and more sporadic, etc.

Apologizing to a woman, and apologizing period, is itself an act of submission. World of difference between OYS and apologizing. My experiences no doubt differ from others, but in my experience, it's remarkably conspicuous how the power shift gradually changed when a few simple behaviors were changed...one of which was, I refused to apologize. And those times where an, "Oops, sorry," slipped out, was about the tolerable level. I've noticed she's apologized more to me in the last year than she ever has in our marriage.

Each of the points above are proven in my marriage and have helps shift the power balance to me for the first time over the last 12-18 months. And that helps with establishing OI, maintaining frame, not giving a fuck, etc.

[–]youcantdenythat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reading this just reminded me of another reason a woman will apologize. Sometimes she will apologize, not because she is actually sorry, but because her hamster is running and she wants to vet your feelings.

It often comes a little bit after she had an emotional outburst of some sort. She'll say something like "Sorry for xx earlier". She's not saying this because she is owning her shit, she's saying this because she want to feel you out to see how mad you are at her. (and how much you are in her frame)

I usually take this opportunity to tease her a little and tell her "it's ok you can make it up to me later"

[–]retinaguy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t TELL me you’re sorry, SHOW me you’re sorry.

[–]champagneennui0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is it about trump that attracts social misfit losers? Red pill? You’re a poor fucking piece of shit.

[–]youngshinobi72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think using certain words make a big difference. I would rather say "I apologize" if I'm wrong as opposed to "I'm sorry". Just seems more pathetic to me. It is a hard habit to break though.

[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apologize =/= Sorry

[–]Werewolf35b0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would saying owning your actual actions would mean never apologizing.

I hate receiving an apology. It just infuriates me more, and it's awkward. Some people do whatever they want and end up apologizing a lot. Like it's a get out if jail free card. I'd rather not receive one, so I never give one either

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never ever apologize. Ever. You will fuck this up and say "I'm sorry" from time to time. Those fuckups are the actual allowable number of times you should apologize.

A high value man that has frame should not be afraid to apologize when he's in the wrong.

Never admitting you are wrong is not being a good captain. That's a dictatorship.

The rest I agree with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dilly Dilly! I agree with it. If you fuck up, recognize it, own it, learn, and move on.

Don't be the guy that always says sorry for the smallest thing.

I had this recently. I was looking for some tape in a set of office drawers. Found a unopened Christmas present for me. I opened it up and realized that it was a set of BT headphones I already had.

I casually told my wife that I found it and she did "Why were you looking in there? What were you looking for?" I replied back "sorry I was looking for tape, and found it. Is there something I should be looking for?" She STFU and had a mood and I didn't play into her tantrum and I just STFU.

She later apologized as she was exhausted from her mother, and I told her it was unwarranted and she agreed.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, these are. Did you not want to make a comprehensive list? Were the other low hanging fruit just a tad high for you?

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In general, all of these things should/will be natural to you. Realize that if you are thinking about it too much where you are actively worried about texting ratios and ending phone calls, you are in her frame and doing it wrong.

Put another way, I believe it is important to differentiate between observable characteristics of MRP behavior and actually being MRP. I guess "fake it 'till you make it" has some place here, but IMO a BP guy has spent his life faking it, it is time to keep it 100.

Put a 3rd way... Literally just do what comes natural to a man before society told him what was proper. Baby horses can fucking walk THE DAY they are born, evolution/instinctual knowledge is that powerful. An eternity of evolution has given you the innate skills to optimally navigate the social interactions with women. The hardest part about MRP is realizing that it was the easy button all along.

[–]assured_destruction 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

4 doesnt work with extermely submissive/passive women. Especially in text for some reason. You have to initiate and her response is often extremely terse. Pretty hard to send 1/3 of a word.

F2F or phone is different. Often cant get them to shut up.

Sample size of 3.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I used to have that problem. Now I don’t

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Put the fucking phone down.

Fixed that for you.

[–]tle7120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I strongly agree with 3 in a ltr and marriage. It is incredibly hard to do. And it is the only thing i agree with on this list for a ltr. Actually this has been natural wisdom from ages and is what expected from a man. I got told this from older generation. A man need to be like this to be the care taker of the family. 2 should be natural. You do their own thing and they do their own thing 4 ( the 3:2 ratio thing) is only necessary at the beginning phase. It is a very good pua advice but i don’t see the application in marriage. Once in a ltr just be natural. And do not converse via text. Just fucking call. Text is only to leave a reminder or when u cant call.

[–]auberginecactus-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No. 4 is petty af. That’s the kind of stuff 16 year old girls do, when they text their crush...

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, weird how teenage girls know how to establish dominance but grown men have Never Been Taught and will even argue with you when you try to teach them.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can agree. Why are you even texting?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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