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TL;DR - Two weeks after celebrating the 25th wedding anniversary and hit with "I don't love you." Facing the end of my marriage I have been forced to look at my self. I want to puke at what I see. Fixing myself is my only path foreword. I expect the blood letting I am sure this post will bring me, but I have to get this out.

Been with my wife for almost 30 years and married for 25. Two kids and a lifetime later I am looking at going into the final third of my life without her. I discovered TRP and the manosphere about a year ago. I had already started reading some of the material on the sidebar under Red Pill 101 just by chance.
When we married I was a different man. Former Marine 0311, and rookie cop I had some obvious alpha traits. Ended up a 320 pound fat drunk; totally withdrawn from her and life. I let the house fall apart, never followed up on my promises and / or met any of her emotional needs. I was not an attractive or effective man for a very long time.
A couple of years ago she got tired of sitting at the kitchen table while I sat in the basement drinking in front of the TV and decided to get a life. She started doing cross fit, bought a bike and began doing group rides and making friends. In her early 50’s and she turns heads. Orbiters and cock-hounds besiege her constantly. Caught her in an affair with one of these riding “chums” and had a big blow up. She has always denied any physical component to the relationship, but I choose to assume that there was. I don’t think that I can forgive unless I forgive from the worst case.
I was terrified of losing her and punked on setting a hard boundary. My life had shrunk to TV watching and booze. What the fuck was I going to do if she left? She agreed to go to marriage counselling and we did that for about a year. We stopped when we both agreed that things were much better and we were substantially back on track. After the affair I got involved again. Started riding with her, meeting her friends and otherwise making myself present and known. I did feel like things had improved. I was showing a lot of low value behaviors. Mate guarding, jealousy, clinging and neediness on a very unflattering scale. So my “feelings” were doomed to be wrong. About 4-5 months ago I started to sense more detachment from her. Most of her female friends are divorced and frequent flyers on the cock carousel. Usually, she would rather spend time with them than me. My romantic overtures and little displays of affection were not being reciprocated as much as before. Four weeks ago, two weeks after our 25th anniversary ( I got a simple card from her a week late), I was getting ready for bed and pulled her to me as she walked by and said, “You know you are deeply loved, don’t you?” She didn’t respond but tears began streaming down her cheeks. Then it hit. It’s over! I said, “You don’t love me anymore at all, do you?” She said, “I tried to get it back, I’ve been trying to get it back but it won’t come back.” She sobbed. Later she said that she hadn’t left yet because she was afraid that I would drink myself to death or worse. (Bullet to the head) I told her that we have children (out of the house now) and that my legacy to them would never be suicide. She agreed to stay awhile longer until our youngest gets farther along in college.
The next day, when home alone, I grieved like I have never grieved before. I grieved more than at the death of my father, my grandfather and best friend. I fucking wailed! I bargained with God, I begged the Universe… I woke the fuck up! Four weeks later and I haven’t drunk a drop. I’ve worked out every day and modified my eating habits. I have dropped 30 pounds so far with low carb and intermittent fasting. I lift heavy four times a week, and even with the weight loss I am getting stronger. I started seeing a therapist to work on some of my emotional bullshit. I don’t want my marriage to be over! I know I’m going to read a lot of advice to move on. But if MRP is just about divorce then it should be TRP2. I’m hoping there are some men out there that are close to, or in midlife, with a similar story that I can learn from. I know that the only hope I have is to fix myself. Doing so, I will either re-attract my wife or put myself in a better position to start over. My therapist says nothing is certain, but my wife has likely moved on long ago and that I should focus on being ok while making my life in a new direction. She tells me that if I fix myself that I may find that I don’t want my wife any longer.


[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MRP fixes the man, not the marriage. No matter what happens, you will be in a better spot if you do the work.

She might be checked out, she might not be. But it is time to focus on you. Work hard, don't stop, own your shit, and you'll be ok.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want my marriage to be over

It ended a long time ago. You were just stuck in fantasy land. Have you touched any books? That whole puke sounds like you finally realized how much of a lazy fuck you've been, and now you're shaping up for her. Don't spend the last 3rd of your life getting better for her...it will inevitably end in disappointment. Spend the last 3rd of your life getting better for you. She can come if she wants.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED54 points55 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve posted twice.

Go read my victim puke now.

I’ve been through some of your shit.

I’ve been laying low this past week because my father passed away 9 days ago.

The point is, nobody came here because their life was so fucking great. Most of us that have stayed, did so because the praxeology worked for us and now we’re less fucked up.

I’ve been here about 6 months, and I have longer to go today than I did last week since I had a meltdown with the wife after my dad died. One would think after burying your mom and a son, you’d get better at it. I don’t want to get good at this, but I continue to digress.

At this point I usually go on a rampage and kick some emo ass, but quite frankly, I’m too fucking tired.

The bottom line is this;

Do MRP for you and you will succeed.

Do MRP for your wife and/or marriage and you will fail.

Period.

Following is my current interpretation of the sidebar and how to maximize its presentation.

One more thing. Go to the OYS thread at the top of r/marriedredpill and look at how others are making this work for them. That post refreshes every Tuesday morning about 4:30am EST.

First, watch the movie, The Matrix. I don't give a fuck if you've already seen it 3 times. Watch it right now. 80% of the metaphors here are based on that movie.

Next, as an overview, read this:

https://illimitablemen.com/understanding-the-red-pill/red-pill-constitution/

Before you ever post again anywhere around askMRP or MRP, read this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4z84w5/posting_quality_guide_for_rmarriedredpill/

Now, go here; find out which drunk Captain you are and WRITE DOWN the prognosis/reading assignments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2vykau/a_guide_for_beginners_to_mrp/

Next, go here, read it word for fucking word, twice, and use it as a pacing metric;

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2lpafb/the_12_step_plan_of_dread_book_excerpt_from_my/

It is said that you need to do one month for every year of your relationshit. Your marriage is probably over. Let it/her go.

If she changes her mind, Great.

If not, then fucking excellent. No rooting through the trash. You’ll figure it out in your reading.

Once a week, go here, and read a new article/book.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/wiki/index

Every single time you come to an exercise in your reading, a book, or an article, fucking DO IT.

There is no skipping shit allowed.

You have two primary goals;

Develop your body in the gym.

Develop your mind/frame in the sidebar.

I have posted twice in five months.

I don't expect to see you post for another couple of months unless you have a legitimate fucking question about something you've actually read.

If you come in here complaining about her, she, or any other bullshit that is not YOU, a whole bunch of us will tear you a new asshole.

The mantra is:

LIFT

READ

STFU

LIFT: 3-4 days a week, primary lifts. No fucking talking, no fucking around, BECAUSE YOU HAVE READING TO DO.

READ: aforementioned

And just in case your relationshit has a snowball’s chance of surviving hell;

STFU: you do not talk about fight club. You do not become an asshole fucking retarded autistic moronic Rambo, go off on the wife, lay down the law, set new boundaries, or other bullshit.

It is business as usual. STFU about your changes. Let them and her acknowledgement of them be natural and organic. You will avoid a lot of shit this way.

EVERYTHING I have just written IS IN the sidebar. I just saved you an hour figuring it out.

Now, welcome to MRP.

We look forward to an awesome FR in MRP in 3 months because this shit is so awesome and you are doing it right.

So...

STFU

and...

Get to fucking work.

Edit: I’m 55. A few here are older. You have zero fucking excuses to get your shit together.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

father passed away 9 days ago.

Sorry for your loss. Best.

[–]StandardIlluminant 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Seconded. This dude is taking all kinds of time to help OP while processing all kinds of mental weight IRL in the foreground. Respect and condolences, LV.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks man

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do MRP for you and you will succeed. Do MRP for your wife and/or marriage and you will fail.

Diamonds in that gold vein, buddy.

Condolences.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]dirk626[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry for your loss. I appreciate your post and will not waste it's wisdom.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your age ain't shit sonny boy.

In other news, read the comment from u/matrixtospartanatLV again....

[–]unmasteredman9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm in the middle of this right now. You're not alone. Fight hard, be smart.

[–]470_2_700_nm5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

12 % body fat mother fucker, unless you are bulking.

Straight up if mine pulled this shit I’d share a plan of action for splitting finances and 50/50 custody immediately.

You don’t love me? Ok.

I’ve been in this position of weakness. The complete meltdown and not knowing where my next breath would come from. What a fucking mistake to let that happen. Completely pathetic. It makes me wonder how my DNA even made it this far.

FUCK that - never again.

Don’t love me? Okay here is the plan...

[–]creating_my_life10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The last paragraph shows hope.

You need to keep reading the sidebar books over and over again until you really internalize the depth of the phrase: "The stay plan is the same as the go plan."

Don't be angry at your wife. Sounds like she endured you being a low-value pussy for a very long time. Be angry at yourself for being a low-value pussy.

Now own YOUR shit. Not to save your marriage, but to save yourself.

Feel free to reach out to askMRP if you're having troubles.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is still a marine in that body, so quit making excuses and will yourself to win your life back like never before.

But you had better put some effort into reading, and quit feeling sorry for yourself

[–]470_2_700_nm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP is doing this all for her. That is where we / he needs to move him away from.

[–]StandardIlluminant 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m hoping there are some men out there that are close to, or in midlife,

Divorced at 40, wallowed in a confused bluepill desert for several years, found the manopshere a few years back. Gone is the constantly unhappy shrew, the depression, the threats, the fights, the resultant suicidal ideations. Now closing on 50 with real muscles, actual solid savings with no debt, time that's my own, and a new wife who wants to fuck daily if not more often.

I know I’m going to read a lot of advice to move on. But if MRP is just about divorce then it should be TRP2.

No, it's not about divorce. It's about accepting the idea that you fix yourself first. Secondarily, the marriage may turn around, or it may not, but in either case, you'll be in the position to kick life's ass and live it fully. Seriously, the idea that it's over with your wife may terrify you, make you feel like a failure, may fill you with all sorts of fears and existential dread. Been there, done that, and let me tell you, if you wind up taking that road, that feeling passes, and you can live a hell of a better life.

You sound like you're living life like your hair is on fire now, good for you. Keep getting at it.

[–]dirk626[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I needed to hear that from someone that's been through it!

[–]PilledWhiteHat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just keep improving yourself for your own benefit. Remember outcome Independence. You are making substantial changes in your life. A year from now you will be in a much better place, regardless of your marital status.

[–]gvntrGrinding9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post.

50 is a nice round number for a restart.

Read, lift, and STFU.

And post your OYS.

[–]Leviticus592 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Been through all this. Also started over around age 50. You're certainly not alone. Fix yourself and don't worry about your wife. You can do it; many of us here have.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was being told a story about a guy who started fucking a 20 year old at 50 yesterday.

He was shredded I understand.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit that sidebar hardcore————->

And then hit it again.

Start day gaming to kill your oneitis. Focus on YOU, the only person you can control.

[–]raxical4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been in therapy. Be skeptical of anything a therapist says. That field is filled with blue pills.

Constructive criticsm: You sound like a real bitch. Fat and crying and out of shape. In a battle, you would stay in the back with the women. You need to focus on becoming a man, first.

Read Jack Donovan's, "The Way of Men".

[–]SgtSilverBack2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The first EX-Marine I've ever seen. Reach down deep and pull that devil dawg back from hell and let it infuse you.

[–]dirk626[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see what you did there! Thanks SgtSilverback...

[–]UnluckyPenguinMarried4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't loyal like men. When her feelings are gone, they are gone. If the roles were reversed then it might have worked out.

The only glimmer of hope you have of getting her back will only appear when you don't want her anymore because you've improved yourself to be out of her league. But that probably won't happen because you're only improving yourself so you can get her back when you need to be improving yourself for you.

Sorry for your loss, but if your wife has to make it blatantly obvious that she would be better off married to large a boulder before you turn your life around, then even if she came back it would be expected for you to slowly spiral downward to your former self.

[–]Thecrow19811 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is that a women thing. I'm a man and when my feelings for someone are gone, they're gone. I'm not stickng with someone i don't love.

[–]UnluckyPenguinMarried1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is that a women thing. I'm a man and when my feelings for someone are gone, they're gone. I'm not stickng with someone i don't love.

You make your decisions based on logic.

Women aren't loyal because when they stop having feelings for you, it's over. When I say "feelings", I mean things like 'hungry' or 'cold' or 'scared' - all of which are temporary.

Guys are loyal up until they decide (logically) it's not worth it. You are no longer physically attracted to them? Next. Too crazy? Next. Guys don't have the problem where they date a caring ugly fat girl up until they get a feeling they don't love them anymore - girls do have that problem.

[–]perplexedm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Listen to your therapist, he is very much on the point.

[–]bala-key2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My therapist says nothing is certain, but my wife has likely moved on long ago and that I should focus on being ok while making my life in a new direction.

Yep.

She tells me that if I fix myself that I may find that I don’t want my wife any longer.

Exactly.

[–]cbogart22 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

join a yoga class. it will get you in shape and it is filled with women. Go every day, and come home smiling. Innocently let your wife know how much fun you are having at yoga. Don't say too much or it will look like you are trying to make her jealous. One of two things will happen. You will attract her interest or you will attract the interest of another woman in class. If it is hot yoga even better. Either way you can't lose.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you, but he should save this for after he had dropped more weight.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your motivation to own it is excellent, and good for you for quitting cold turkey.

You might still be in the magical thinking phase though. Your wife is done with you, she fucked other dude(s). Kill the puppy.

Also, just from my own personal experience, I'd suggest finding a male therapist.

[–]bvg682 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I fucking wailed!"

Catharsis is important, often necessary. You deserve someone better, from the post your wife does not appear to be supportive or loving.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck. Keeping that alcohol consumption down is going to be critical from an emotional standpoint (of course physically too). Lifting heavy at 51 for 4 days a week seems a bit much...I wonder how your body is holding up.

[–]Wel1081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attraction is non negotiable, that’s why she doesn’t “love you.”

Once you grow strong again, and begin to get attention from other women, it won’t hurt as much when she doesn’t pay attention to you.

She’ll begin to notice that and wonder why. She’ll see your physical changes, and she’ll want to test if you are still there. But if this brings you hope, and is what drives you then let it. Just realize you’re not doing it for you.

Right now you’re cloudy, and that’s normal. Go through the motions of grieving, keep lifting and reading. Find healthy things that bring you happiness. Eventually the picture will become clear.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I grieved more than at the death of my father, my grandfather and best friend. I fucking wailed! I bargained with God, I begged the Universe… I woke the fuck up!

Good! Now take that and use it as motivation to change.

I don’t want my marriage to be over!

That is something over which you have little control. The more you want it back, the more needy you become, and the more unattractive that is. Thus the more you want it back, the LESS likely it will happen.

Conversely, if you get a younger, hotter, tighter, woman to bed, the chances of the wife suddenly realizing that her husband is not so bad after all skyrocket.

MRP fixes the man, not the marriage but the secret sauce is that fixing the man usually fixes the wife's attitude towards him. Then HE gets to decide whether that "fixes" the marriage.

MRP gives men a choice.

[–]Neutral_User_NameActually Does Work1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We never own women. They sometimes decide to hang around for a while, and then they are gone. We are by ourselves, always, and should plan accordingly.

[–]rocknrollchuckMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's Your Example

Best example I've seen of a complete turnaround on MRP. Yeah, you're older, but so what? Your WIFE did it, so can you. Sounds like you've at least got a decent start on getting your act together.

Accept that your marriage is over. Make peace with that fact. Yes, there is still a chance it might be saved - after all, she hasn't left yet. But do this FOR YOURSELF. Not for your marriage. Start living life as if you were single. If there is any chance of things working out, SHE will come to YOU. For now, just STFU, read, lift and lose weight like your life depends on it.

Because at 320 lbs, it does.

[–]ragnar1871 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How long have you been on here (trp)?

[–]dirk626[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I found this about 3 or 4 months ago. A few months before that I bought NMMNG on Audible for my commute. A recommendation came up for "The Rational Male" and I was intrigued. It all came from there. Lurked for a while and just tried to read everything that I could.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

Now get to fucking work

[–]scapeity1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I am the slightly younger version of you. Former army grunt, middle aged cop. Found rp a while ago by chance and have been owning my shit and on a path to better myself before my relationship goes to hell.

I think the most real thing anyone has ever told me is to always be ready to leave. If you aren't ready to leave, and if she isn't ready to leave... Then what incentive does the other partner have to try to keep them from doing so?

So your relationship may end. So may mine one day. The important part to realize is it's still your life. Take ownership of it and do the things you have to do to enjoy the time you have left. With or without her.

Good luck.

I'm gonna take my fat ass off to the gym now.

[–]snatch_haggisCaptain Awesome's Understudy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last third of your life? Fuck that. Live to 100 man. Now it's just the halfway point. FTFY.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The past is gone. it is ossible to wake up a new man one morning. I have done it. So can you.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My therapist says nothing is certain, but my wife has likely moved on long ago and that I should focus on being ok while making my life in a new direction. She tells me that if I fix myself that I may find that I don’t want my wife any longer.

Your therapist is right, even if you hired a female therapist.

Go ahead and stop drinking. Go ahead and lose the weight. Nobody regrets getting into shape.

Do it for you. If your wife hasn't actually handed you papers you are not divorced yet. Everybody has some event that wakes them up. It sounds like for you it's your near-divorce, or maybe it was your wife's probable affair.

I'll say straight up as an in-shape guy who meets women like your wife, there are two types of women at the group runs, group rides, cross-fit, etc:

  • women who are already divorced
  • and women who are thinking about it
  • technically, there's a third category of women who never married because they were way too damn picky, or have some other flaw that makes them post-wall, but they're rare.

And both kind have tight bodies and are hanging out with guys with tight bodies. Only a few of those women have men who are genuinely higher SMV than them. If you start looking like those guys, you very well might get your wife's attention back. It might take you a year or two years, and congratulations on already starting.

I'm going to say one thing that you're not ready to hear yet. Whatever happens with your divorce, there are other women, and better women out there. The version of you that married your wife a long time ago knew that women are abundant, and if you get into shape you'll quickly get reminded of that.

[–]theoppositeopinion11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 month in, sounds good so far, but realize that you'll have to go about 6 months of HARD work before you have ANY noticeable impact on your "wife".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that bitch. Find your spec of the universe and inhabit that motherfucker. You’ll end up comfortable there. Toss that booze in the shit can. I’ve run through bitches like draino. It ain’t no thing. Believe it, there’s only you. It aint bad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

starting over at 32; i feel like this is as good a place as any to learn who i am, who they are, and what what is

[–]WayTooSappy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Speaking as a guy who has baddled on tinder etc etc, just move on in my opinion. You fucked up, honestly you're lucky you had her as long as you did, in my opinion.

[–]KINGahRoo-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]weakandsensitive6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

are neckbeard losers who more often user MGTOW as hamster for their failure instead of any type of actual rejection of women.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed !

[–]KINGahRoo-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't knock till you've tried lol

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

goddamn you type like a faggot.

[–]KINGahRoo-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Username checks out haha

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