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Did you know "The Manipulated Man" is the first book of a trilogy?


The first book talks about women's behavior. The second book is "The Polygamous Sex" and talks about men. The third book has never been translated (her advice for "The End of Manipulation" and I have not read it nor found commentary about it).

"The Polygamous Sex" was very briefly discussed on TRP years ago here. The interesting part of the discussion was the link to an extensive Red Pill analysis by Eric Crowley. Which is excellent and worth a read.

It's very interesting--in particular the parts I find interesting are the kernel of her analysis that men are taught to distort various complex emotions into "love" the same way we are taught to distort a lot of emotions into "anger". And that women don't do this and are more clear about different types of love. So it's interesting to think about this whenever the love hierarchy and Rollo's women-in-love men-in-love discussion comes up.

runsonmagic is dead but it can be found in archive. I've linked the parts below.

The following is an excerpt from Crowley's introduction:


When I first read Esther Vilar’s The Manipulated Man, I thought it was the most important book I’d read on gender since Warren Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power or Jack Donovan’s The Way of Men. The Manipulated Man left me in stunned silence. I wanted to write about it, but had no response to the book.

Roosh wrote in his review of The Manipulated Man:

I’ve never had a book that made me reconsider so many of my beliefs like this one. It ended up being the most vicious takedown of the female gender that I’ve ever read, five times harsher than anything I’ve written.

He is entirely correct. Esther Vilar makes Return of Kings look like Dr. Phil. I had nothing to add to her work or his review, except a strong recommendation to everyone who follows the manosphere to go read her book.

That is until I discovered her second book, The Polygamous Sex.

Esther Vilar’s The Manipulated Man is actually part of a trilogy of books – the third of which, to my knowledge, has never been translated into English.

The Manipulated Man describes the problem between men and women, The Polygamous Sex describes why the problem exists, and the third Das Ende der Dressur (“The End of Manipulation”) describes the solution.

The Polygamous Sex could be the most important book the manosphere has never read. It begins from one simple premises about human drives and works it’s way forward with clear reason. Because it is out of print, and her first book contained such intensely harsh truths, few have heard of the The Polygamous Sex.

Fortunately, you can read the entire book The Polygamous Sex online for free here.



[–]hystericalbonding5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Great recommendation.

My favorite thing about her is the interview she did with Alice Schwarzer on TV in response to The Manipulated Man. If anyone here is looking for advice on how to hold, frame, they should watch it.

[–]Tebulus4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This it?

Subs are kind of hard to follow, but it might just take a second to get used to.

[–]hystericalbonding2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Transcript is here or in the comments section of some of the YouTube uploads.

[–]Tebulus6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You weren't kidding, this chick fucks. edit: just finished the interview. One of the first things Alice the cunt tried to do was paint a picture of greed being the motivation for the ideas. I just learned that Alice the cunt was charged with tax fraud. You cant make this shit up.

[–]redpillrobby4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome breakdown in those links. Great stuff. Biggest takeaway for me: treating women as equals, not as incapable children, actually repositions your relationship with them as entirely sexual, which actually makes the man and the woman much happier.

In other words, only do for your wife what she absolutely can't reasonably do for herself. Don't solve her problems. Don't get up and get her a coke so she doesn't have to. Don't clean or change diapers so she doesn't have to. Let her take care of herself, and then the attraction she has for you will actually build as she stops seeing you as a beta provider/protector and rather as an alpha wild lion she has to chase and wants to fuck.

Great stuff.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging2 points3 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

do you have a copy of Das Ende der Dressur?

If it's in German, I can work on translating it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't able to find the German for free. There is a French edition on libgen (and the French edition is available on Kindle Unlimited). My French is far worse than my German. ;)

They have the Kindle edition in German and actually let you purchase it in the US, so that's what I have. But it's that encrypted flavor and I don't know how to export it. I did see epub from a lot of European sites (it's $5ish) and would have done that, but I didn't because I'm never sure whether they'll accept US payment.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

k i'll see what i can find. this will be a fun side-project!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you want to work on this together? Maybe as a first step I can extract the ToC and section headings. I sort of liked vandaalen's idea of setting up a subreddit for this.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

sure thing pik!

[–]HobbesTheBrave1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Das Ende der Dressur?

The End of Training?

I don't know what it is, but it sounds like I want a translation to english, if you have one.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

i just copied/pasted the title from his post. It's supposed to mean "The End of Manipulation", but i supposed "der Kunstgriff" would be closer than "der Dressur".

Now you have me wondering if it's in a different language.

[–]HobbesTheBrave0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My money is on german.

'der Dressur' sounds like grooming, i.e. shaping and rearing and selecting traits, breeding. Sounds too french to be something else, and it's not the first time the germans loan words and phrases from the french. 'Kunst' means Art, and 'griff' sounds too much like grasp, i.e. getting, understanding the Art.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, "der Kunstgriff" is more along the lines of a "gimmick" or "trick" and the art (read "skill" or "special ability") of pulling off that trick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Der Dressierte Mann = The Manipulated Man

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

ah! dressieren!! so then "manipulated" in the sense of being "trained" like a dog, forced to behave a certain way and concede decisions to the trainer.

this is outstanding btw. i had no idea that The Manipulated Man was originally a German text! I definitely need to buy the trilogy in German.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it's one of those words that don't have direct translations. Other options might be "domesticated" (in the sense of farm animals) or "housebroken". But that's just from reading the dictionary. It's not a word I ever encountered and I'm fairly ruined by my love of colloquial Schwaben and distaste for Hochdeutsch. :P

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think we're in the same boat, my friend. Most of my experience has been with Bayrisch and reading literature in Central/Southern Germany, aside from a Mittel-Deutsch class and a year-long Goethe survey. Hochdeutsch seems to have this air of arrogance to it.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, I think the author used dressieren intentionally though. if she wanted to use manipulated in the true sense, she likely would have used the cognate manipulieren.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

so then "manipulated" in the sense of being "trained" like a dog

mind blown; that's really a different meaning. nobody really talks about "manipulating" an animal because it's assumed the animal does not have agency like a person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the things about German is they often have different verbs for animals and humans. Substituting animal verbs for humans is sometimes done to disrespect. So I don't know how Germans interpret the title.

Edit: maybe "tamed"?

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The smartest dogs are the easiest to train.

Makes perfect sense with the tire changing story

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

what do you think dog training is? It has agency to get what it wants, a dopamine rush. First it gets it from food, then from being a "good boy"

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol; i'm not debating the training of animals versus people. instead i was pointing out the semantic difference; and what this implies in translation (i.e. men are dogs)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought it was women ;-)

[–]adam-l0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks a lot for this, man. I have long wanted to read it. Drop me a note when you've finished, if you can.

[–]stoicman150 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.hockebooks.de/sites/default/files/leseproben/das_ende_der_dressur_leseprobe.pdf

found this for free. will start working on it tonight if i can.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen people say this so many times. The things I would do to read this book. Good luck man.

[–]ahackercalled4chanUnplugging1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sorry man. it's on the list. got a lot of drama in my life currently, but i haven't forgotten about it.

[–]yallapapi1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The manipulated man was the last nail in the coffin for me. Read it six months ago and still haven't recovered. Looking forward to reading the next two books!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not kidding it's a heavy duty read - I've not read a bigger take down of feminists. Highly recommended

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ooh, no reading porn. Haven't been this excited since I found Solomon II

[–]ctoyeiv1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Simple google search says TRP does know about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cool! Hey, u/vandaalen did anything come of your translation effort? I'm interested.

[–]vandaalen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Sorry. Got too much other shit to do,

[–]iamtheswoop1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG, I'm so excited to read this. I speak German but not enough to translate a book

[–]FossilGuy160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great book that gives the why to a lot of questions...

[–]Idunnowhy20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting read. Can someone summarize the conclusion/solution offered in The End of Manipulation?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just glanced through it and I want to say it's pretty clear to me now why it was never translated into English. The key idea is to make it impossible to be a beta and to allow women to be feminine without seeking protege status--and that seems to revolve around 5-hour workdays and socialism.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be interesting to hear Esther Vilar's take on the Manosphere nearly 50 years after she published " The Manipulated Man" apparently still alive and she's 81

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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