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I like non inflammatory titles which are not clickbait. So here we go, to all you guys who post in here or askMRP about your whore wife hanging out with other dudes or having an emotional affair - First and foremost your wife is a whore. The only way this statement is not true is if you live in a gay marriage legal jurisdiction and you are married to some guy named Pete. Why am I calling your wife a whore? Because I think sometimes it is helpful to look into the abyss and see things for what they are. In The Manipulated Man Esther Vilar broke it down for us accurately, decades later Rollo spelled it out again, the ladder of love flows down, not up. Men love women, women love kids and kids love puppies. This is a brutal assessment but the reality is like Rollo said, she can never love you the way that you want to be loved. She does not love you, she loves the image of you she has painted in her own head. With a woman, her love and relationship is transactional and conditional, see Briffault's law. She is not yours, it is just your turn.

So when we see guys in here and on askMRP whining that their little snowflake is having lunch/ kayaking/ karaokiing (is that a word) or doing something else with other dudes, then we rightfully call them a faggot and explain that she only acts this way because he is a beta schlub. This is the right thing to do because we cannot change the wife, only the man. Giving him a kick in the ass and telling him to man up is the right thing to do because we can only fix the man. That way in either scenario (a - he improves his miserable marriage, or b - he leaves the whore and moves on to a better life) we have helped the man. I agree with this approach and I agree that this is the best thing for them. Encourage them to lift, lead and focus on their mission, be their own point of origin, stop focussing on the wife.

However it is sometimes useful to look at the other side of the coin. That is the reality that the guy who comes on here whingeing that his wife is hanging out alone with some random dude, is that his wife is a filthy, dirty whore. The other guys who do my fucking head in are the guys who come here telling us about their whore wife's emotional affair and asking how they can save the marriage. TBH in either case, no matter what the cause of her behaviour, the best possible advice is for him is to leave that slut and build a better life. To try and "fix" the marriage is purple pill logic. It is going through the trash. I realise that many guys here may reasonably counter with "well I was one of those guys, now I own my shit, lift, give her 10 second kisses and we are have sex three times a week instead of three times a year!". To that I say, well you made the bad choice, you would have been better off divorcing her and getting on with your awesome new life. If you think going from dead bedroom, to fucking the same woman who used to reject you is some sort of success, then your bar for success is very low indeed.

So to you guys who come here whining that your whore wife is spending time with some other dude, you are the one who is still pining for her. The only thing which turns my stomach more than your whore wife, is you, you pathetic, blue pill, pedestalising little bitch. Leave her ass, get on with your awesome new life. You will be happier, you will either bang many better women or the new you will find a better woman. Life is there to be lived, do not be a coward and tether your happiness to a whore.


[–]Tway5676 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree with almost all of the above. Next her at cheating/emotional affair is a rock solid rule that I can't think of any reasonable exceptions to.

But saying that going from a dead bedroom to owning your shit and fucking an otherwise faithful woman three times a week is a failure is going too far. When you have a family there's more at stake in a divorce than just the hole you're sticking your dick into.

By that measure every single one of us that owns our shit and still stays with the same woman is a failure regardless of her past behavior, because there's technically nothing stopping us from dropping a post wall woman for younger pussy eager to please a high value man. Yet most of us don't, because pussy isn't everything. If it was none of us would be married to begin with.

[–]Red-Curious18 points19 points  (72 children) | Copy Link

there's more to life and marriage than pussy

This. OP's statement that "You will be happier" makes the false assumption that all men assess their happiness levels based on the same criteria he does.

If a man lives in a dead bedroom, his happiness with sex might be a 2, but his happiness with other things might be 10/10. If sex is the most important thing to him, then what OP suggests makes sense. But if he's really low libido and just doesn't care about sex (maybe he's actually the one who's causing the dead bedroom), then how will getting sex with more/different women increase his happiness? Or what if a guy cares about sex a lot, but the totality of other factors that he enjoys about his marriage outweigh the mediocre, yet satisfying sex life he's getting with his wife?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

with a "whore wife" its not about sex. thats the part you are not seeing.

You being religious - tell me, what would Jesus say about a woman who has emotional or physical affairs while married?

[–]Red-Curious4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I'd refer someone to the book of Hosea. God told Hosea to marry a prostitute. She cheated on him constantly. Her pimp starts sending her back to all her old clients even after the wedding, so Hosea has to buy her off the pimp. Then she keeps going back of her own accord and he has to rope her back in.

The book exists to show ancient Israel how God felt when his people were constantly leaving him for false gods and worldly pleasures. Other passages clarify the nature of how God deals with these people. In some circumstances he drops them like a rock. Other times he remains faithful to them and draws them back to himself.

with a "whore wife" its not about sex. thats the part you are not seeing.

What's it about then?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

its about breaking the covenant of marriage.

Whole masses of the people of Israel were not allowed to enter the promised land until all the ones that had actually offended G-d in some way died.

It is about breaking her promise to you , and to G-d. And her promise to her family.

Making it about sex is like making it about kissing vs licking a nipple vs a really romantic date or a hand job. they are arbitrary. All at the same time, she crossed a boundary she inherently promised to keep.

Do you trust an oath breaker?

[–]Red-Curious3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That makes more sense. To that I'd defer to 2 Timothy 2:12-13 - "If we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful."

So, if she is merely faithless to the marriage vow (i.e. by constant denying sex, for example) then we should follow in Jesus's example (Paul is actually quoting Jesus from Matthew 10:33). But if she actively disowns that vow (i.e. cheating or trying to divorce you, etc.) then we're free to disown her right back. I don't get the impression Jesus would be happy about this second option as many men would be at the freedom to start anew, but we're all still human.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I will leave the bible quoting to you. Bear in mind, however, she gave herself to HAVE and to HOLD.

you know what that means, yeah?

[–]Throwawayhelper4202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just a modern word construct though, created by blue pill men, I don't believe Jesus ever said those words.

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Haha, touche.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

TBH, I think we can all find what ever quotes we want to support what ever position we choose to take in our respective Holy Books.

but the bottom line, do you expect a person to honor their word or not? end of story

[–]Red-Curious4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Expect? No. Hope? Yes. I usually take the mantra: Hope for the best, expect the worst. The question at hand, though, is not one of desire, hope or expectation. It is one of appropriate response in the wake of any unmet vow. But we're also probably really off topic at this point anyway :p

[–]animalapemachine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Paul did not quote matthew as his letters predate the gospels ( according to textual scholars).

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that, but remember that they all talked constantly about what Jesus said while he was alive. He may not have been quoting the written text, but I do believe he was quoting something he knew Jesus said all the same.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hosea is a special case and not an example to emulate. Old Testament law was clear, unambiguous and (with the exception of Hosea) unanimous on the subject of whore wives. I think in Hosea, God was analogizing the Children of Israel to the cheating whore wife. He was saying the prophet should swallow a big lump and take back his dirty whore wife just as God had to swallow a big lump to take back the whoremonger, unfaithful Children of Israel.

Check out the prophet Jeremiah for another perspective out how God deals with His "unfaithful bride." It is not pretty and He is not exactly quick to forgive.

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Totally agreed there. But the new testament does change the nature of the covenant. As I just replied to scurve:

That makes more sense. To that I'd defer to 2 Timothy 2:12-13 - "If we deny him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful."

So, if she is merely faithless to the marriage vow (i.e. by constant denying sex, for example) then we should follow in Jesus's example (Paul is actually quoting Jesus from Matthew 10:33). But if she actively disowns that vow (i.e. cheating or trying to divorce you, etc.) then we're free to disown her right back. I don't get the impression Jesus would be happy about this second option as many men would be at the freedom to start anew, but we're all still human.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This really has a Dalrock vibe to it. More how he critiques the modern church, as opposed to how he views the zombie carpenter

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

actions over words.

If a man, or a whore, comes back into the "fold", their acts of contrition and actions consistent with accepting their role should with fervor. get my drift?

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hosea is there to amplify God's grace. Why, every man in the world would feel justified in dumping the whore!! And you, Israel, are the whore wife!! See how much God loves you?!?!? How absolutely unmerited is favor is?!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you get any upvotes at all is testament (see what I did there) to the fact that this sub has become infected with degenerate blue and purple pill logic. If I was a mod I would change your flair to "The Purple Priest". When it comes to red pill lessons you need to learn to sit back and listen and we will tell you when you are wrong. You have come to the red pill to change it, rather than to let it change you. Wake up and smell the coffee

[–]GC0W301 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Or what if a guy cares about sex a lot, but the totality of other factors that he enjoys about his marriage outweigh the mediocre, yet satisfying sex life he's getting with his wife?

If you RP all the way up, you can get "the totality of other factors you enjoy" and kick-ass sex too.

In your example of the low-libido guy who is CAUSING his own dead bedroom but has an otherwise great marriage, clearly he is fine, and probably not even spending time on MRP.

He still needs to up his game before his wife cheats on him, though.

[–]Red-Curious7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

You might be surprised how many LL guys are here for reasons other than sexual strategy, as I've gotten PMs from a handful and would wager there are many more who haven't been inclined to PM. Otherwise, good points :)

[–]SgtSilverBack5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ultimately it is for each man to decide his own measure of success.

I'm HL and sex isn't my measure of success and not the most important indicator to me deciding whether my wife is of value.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LL is just a horseshit excuse for being a lazy mother fucker who refuses to accept reality. Give me a LL man and I will show him a naked pic of Emily Ratajkowski. That will fix him. LL is code for "no attraction". It is 95% horseshit in the same way MGTOW is code for incel. Give me a LL woman, Duane Johnson and a sleazy hotel room we will see how LL she is.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Had to google emily. If that doesn't do it you don't have balls

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope you put the word "naked" after her name before you did the image search. That girl is living proof that there is such a thing as a HB10. I would swim mouth open through a lake of shit just to wank over her shadow

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Emily Ratajkowski

so good it hurts

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill IS sexual strategy. It is not a self improvement sub.

[–]welshmin4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

but is MRP?

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer to think of MRP as a self improvement sub for guys who happen to be married. Sexual strategy is packaged in that in my mind.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Then why does the man complain about his whore wife?

Guys say that other parts make them happy, but if that were true, they'd treat the whore wife as a "cost of doing business" and be done with it.

If they are desperate enough to come to the internet for help, they clearly lie to themselves when saying its not a prime reason for their unhappiness

[–]Tway5676 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Cause it's not either/or. Why settle for a whore wife with otherwise decent qualities when you could have a non-whore wife with those same qualities? There's no amount of that other stuff that would make a man satisfied with a woman that doesn't want to fuck him too, even if fucking isn't his #1 priority.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So it's important, or it isn't. Can't have it both fucking ways.

Either she's a whore wife, and it's worth putting up with, or she is a whore wife, and it's not worth the benefits. We can all sit here and think about what utopia looks like, or we can deal with whats right in front of us, and stop bullshitting ourselves.

It bothers you enough to do something about it, or you get the fuck over it, pick one

[–]Tway5676 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Stop thinking in terms of absolutes. It can be important to a point, and then other things take priority. For example to a guy that's not getting fucked at all, nothing else matters. Whereas if the same guy is getting a good lay often enough, even if he'd prefer to be fucking better and/or more often, a lack of respect might be a bigger issue. It's all in constant flux anyway and may take a while to figure out what matters to him and put in the work to figure out how flexible the situation is.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It can be important to a point, and then other things take priority

then it's not fucking important, and get the fuck over it. It's not absolutes, it's a MAP. CAD made his choice, to fuck strange and keep with his kids, she sure as fuck didn't put up with his whore wife though.

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

if that were true, they'd treat the whore wife as a "cost of doing business" and be done with it.

Nah, that's not how people think. If you have a guy who loves his job, makes good money, has flexible hours, etc. - but there's that one person in the office who just gets on his nerves ... he may well prefer to keep the benefits of the job and deal with that guy rather than changing jobs. But he'd be a fool to stay and not try to work on improving that one negative aspect. You don't say, "Oh well, it's the cost of doing business. I'll just let him keep being an idiot and annoy me all the time." No, you set boundaries with the guy, try to make friends, try to get your boss in on the situation, etc. - all to fix the problem.

So, if a guy likes his marriage but the sex life isn't quite satisfying, he may do well to stay, but that doesn't mean he's "desperate" just because he goes to an internet forum to ask for help, nor does it mean that sex has all of a sudden become the most important thing to him. It simply means he'd like to work on his weak areas to take a good thing and make it better. This isn't true of all guys, but I'm confident it's true of some.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lots of guys try to equate business to a wife.

Every one of them has the "spreadsheet man" vibe to it.

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You're the one who mentioned the "cost of doing business." I was just extrapolating on that. Although some parallels may be useful, I prefer to avoid that particular analogy except in select circumstances.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So you chose to ignore the thrust of the discussion to ease your comfort in language?

ok

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have no clue what you're trying to say here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

he is saying that you do not want to talk about it in the way the conversation going because it hurts you in the ego.

[–]Red-Curious1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I still don't follow ... where was my ego hurt or if it was attacked somehow, where is there an indication that matters to me?

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Disagree, because Op is addressing emotional affairs / staying together after cheating, not frequency of sex.

Otherwise agree.

[–]Red-Curious5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be clear, he's addressing men who whine about being worried about this - not men to whom it is actually happening. His first paragraph also generalizes into an AWALT mindset beyond just the target group. Plus, even within the target group, he's still making the decision for them about how to assess their happiness. I get your point, though.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We should make a post about "How to know you already lost"

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

every single one of us that owns our shit and still stays with the same woman is a failure.

No, OP does not say every single wife is a whore. Only the wives who like to party and hang out with guys (in the secret hope she will get her piehole stuffed with creamy filling).

That is not even the most common problem in MRP and is not even in second place. I wonder what OP has to say about the most common problem- the sexually disinterested wife who can only take pleasure in the hurt look on your face- YES, I did that! That was my magical pussy!- when she denies sex yet again.

I am not sure what to call a woman who both denies sex and regularly does the GNO thing but I think that is the most common arrangement. Women LOVE to box you into a hole and then keep you there by stomping you with her high heels.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My post on cunt wives will follow, this was about whore wives. It is basically her filling a vacuum. If she is happy she acts like a child, if she is not she acts like a man.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

  • "If a man lives in a dead bedroom, his happiness with sex might be a 2"

At least you are speaking with authority about something you completely understand.

[–]Red-Curious4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What do they say about assumptions?

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have read your post history, you came here with dead bedroom issues. You know your stuff on that topic.

[–]Red-Curious6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. At one point that was true, as I'm sure is the case for many (most?) men here.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope. it's 50 50

Fallen alphas, or the guys who had the world, then realized how transactional her 'love' is. Through injury, financial legal issues etc. Essentially the world flipped a switch and turned on him when he needed to cash in all his man points he's accumulated over the years. Basically, finding out she's not on your team

The other half are various dead bedroom like situations.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How many are DB's from the LL husband? I really was not aware there were many LL Husbands at all in MRP.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From the little I've engaged BD, the only LL husbands tend to have obese wives who are coddled into some HAES mentality.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me either. It wouldn't make sense. I'm not into BDSM so you won't find me on that sub trying to find out where to buy the highest quality gimp suits and most durable ball gags. It's just not a problem I have

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn straight. Give me a LL man and I will show him a naked pic of Emily Ratajkowski. That will fix him. LL is code for "no attraction". It is 95% horseshit in these way MGTOW is code for incel. Give me a LL woman, Duane Johnson and a sleazy hotel room we will see how LL she is.

[–]thunderbeyond0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Whats with the downvote brigade?

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's those quiet LL's.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are offended by nazis.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Faggots, bloopers and purple bitches who mistakenly think they are red.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Next her at cheating/emotional affair is a rock solid rule that I can't think of any reasonable exceptions to.

In business if you get screwed you don't necessarily burn the bridge, but you do "renegotiate" the agreement in your favor.

I could imagine a renegotiation that would allow her to stay in my life if she was willing to abide by the terms.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough, I suggets those terms include a silent "plates on the side" clause.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've got it. Although, my plates would probably get pretty loud at times.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I did not say that keeping a wife who has fled emotionally is a failure, a failure would be not fixing the problem. I am saying that you (and quite probably your kids) would be better off if you moved on. Leaving a post wall woman who has been a good and faithful wife and excellent mother is as much of a cunt act as the wife who cheats, so I am not advocating that either.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I normally love your posts, but you took a left on this one.

Nothing you wrote is revolutionary. The guys who stick it out do so because it's part of their vision. The reason you're getting pushback is because those men aren't weak, or settling. They have frame. They've done their own CBA and decided it's worth it.

Do you have children? Are you a prominent member of your local community? There are many factors that go into a man's CBA that I don't think you considered.

At the end of the day, all you're doing is telling men their frame is wrong and their Vision isn't optimal. Can you really be that surprised when it's met with lots of shrugs and head shaking?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right, my post was deliberately inflammatory and provocative. I wanted to give those guys are hardcore red slap of reality. Divorce is one option of many. Keeping the wife for the sake of kids and community is another. If I chose the second option, there would be plates on the side for me.

[–]Red-Curious7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This only makes sense if you value things outside the marriage more than you value things inside the marriage. I'll grant that AMALT in their desire for sex with different women. But for some men this isn't their highest desire. So, I'd chalk this up to the "leave the rest" in the "take what works for you and ..." conversation.

That being said, what you're really getting at here is comparing a useful mentality against a non-useful mentality. Assuming your wife will never leave you or cheat on you is not useful. If anything, it's a self-fulfilling mind-set because the way it causes you to act increases her desire to leave/cheat. Assuming she can and probably will cheat on you at some point is useful. It compels you to improve your life.

So, religious issues aside, if you can be happier outside the marriage, leave the marriage. But if you're happier in the marriage, stay in the marriage. Telling other men that their greatest happiness can only be found in what makes you happy ... no thanks. I'll decide that one for myself.

[–]fuckmrpMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its never about saving the marriage, it's about fixing the man. These guys would have the same problem in their next relationship. No point in buying a new mattress until you learn to stop shitting the bed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, they should improve themselves as their number one priority but they should still divorce their whore wives. I'm not suggesting they get remarried.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I like non inflammatory titles which are not clickbait.

Leading with an ironic statement like this doesn't make it any less inflammatory or lessen the negative impact on the discussion. When you make titles like that without mentioning it being about cheating you just piss people off.

You only make it worse when you seem to go out of your way to make examples with dead bedrooms instead of the actual topic of cheating, which further derails the discussion as now the many here who came from DBs see you calling them pussies for not divorcing their whore wife.

I'm all for telling pussies to man the fuck up, even to telling masculine men to stop being pussies over their one remaining soft spot. But just pissing people off due to poor communication isn't a benefit to anyone.

Now, back to the subject at hand. Is there any actual experience with this sort of stuff? Are alphas really incapable of getting someone who once cheated on him to submit? I mean, AWALT - the only difference between a cheating and a faithful wife is circumstance and ability to delay gratification. The only argument you seem to make is that your standards are higher but that could just as easily be rephrased as being butthurt - and I'm not really into arguments anyway, the evidence mostly turn out to be different. Just like Rollos claim that you can't recover from a dead bedroom is a myth, this could be a myth too.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are alphas really incapable of getting someone who once cheated on him to submit?

The Family Alpha may have some input on this issue. (The answer is YES!).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

The title is clickbait which is why the wry, tongue in cheek comment. This is specifically directed at the guys posting about their wives with other dudes. I did not talk about dead bedrooms, I talked about a woman who was having real or emotional affair. If a wife has not emotionally exited and befouled the relationship then there is every reason to alpha up and give it another chance. As u/donedreadpirate said:

  • "Just because it's your fault you let it get to the point where she is doing this kind of shit doesn't mean she gets a pass"

This is the core of my post.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I get that - your title and examples just gets people with faithful wives riled up for no reason. I wanted to make an angry reply too, but then I calmly reread it and saw I misunderstood you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Wow it's gotten to the point where you can't even call a guy's wife a whore without starting an argument

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

More the "you're a pussy and you should break up your home and fuck over your kids" part

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Bear in mind that kids are more happy with two highly functioning parents who are separated than being in an unhappy home. Divorce does not necessarily fuck up kids any worse than a miserable marriage. My kids are very happy, they see me and their mum whenever they want, there are no arguments. We even hang out together on occasions. Divorce for the right reasons is better than marriage for the wrong reasons.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You're throwing false dilemmas around.

Let's take a single line from your OP:

If you think going from dead bedroom, to fucking the same woman who used to reject you is some sort of success, then your bar for success is very low indeed.

Yeah, I take that as a success. Lots of sex, good wife, happy home, happy kids, I'm not going to throw that away just because we just had a dead bedroom once.

Now I think that you are actually talking about wives who cheated and not just a dead bedroom, which might be another deal. It's not entirely clear what the context is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I made it clear from the outset that it was for guys whose wife was ACTUALLY in an emotional or real affair, not just dead bedroom. You are taking a single line out of context, and you did not get my amazingly clever and funny joke about arguing over calling a guy's wife a whore.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I made it clear from the outset that it was for guys whose wife was ACTUALLY in an emotional or real affair, not just dead bedroom. You are taking a single line out of context

Yes, that's what I wrote, minus the inflated evaluation of your communication skills

you did not get my amazingly clever and funny joke about arguing over calling a guy's wife a whore.

I read it as an attempt to dodge the issue

Speaking of dodging I'd still like to know if you have any reason to claim that a girl can't submit to a reformed alpha if she once cheated on him.

[–]Westernhagen2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'd still like to know if you have any reason to claim that a girl can't submit to a reformed alpha if she once cheated on him.

It sounds theoretically possible. In theory. Perhaps some contributors here have that experience. Yet I am skeptical.

And more to the point: the amount of effort required to reform yourself (or more likely, to change yourself from a lifetime beta into an alpha) is huge, and incommensurate with the reward of the (dubious) loyalty of a "reformed" cheating whore. Putting in a huge amount of work to turn yourself into a high-value man in order to "win" a low-value woman: does that really make sense? Perhaps it does if kids are part of the equation, but I would not criticize any man for saying, "no, not worth it, I will next the whore and put my efforts into acquiring a new, high-value woman".

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm seeing a trend towards purple here lately so I welcome this kind of shit. Yeah, alpha up for yourself, but Jesus, the point isn't to use red pill means for a blue pill end. She's no princess. I have a no princess policy in my house. Daughter and wife don't get a pass. Yes, women should be held accountable for their actions. Mine can stay if she behaves. She adds value, but I'm living my life regardless. Sure, she is the girl who gets most of my time and resources and knows what I like but she doesn't get exclusive rights to shit: including my forgiveness. It's earned in a rolling window. All negotiable. Got a lunch date today wish me luck, this girl seems kinky.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't agree with you more. I think u/Sepean is in the bedroom now, crying and rocking backwards and forwards with his wife whispering "you're not a whore, you're not a whore" over and over.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, she's at work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, nice A&A, glad you have your sense of humour back

[–]MrTrizzles4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course she has a whore side. That's always been our only real goal - that she's a whore for us. Because whores can be pretty awesome.

[–]Westernhagen0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I agree, your whore wife is awesome!" -- Chad

[–]MrTrizzles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am Chad and women are monogamous by nature.

[–]nofilmynofucky2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most of your points are fair, however I don't think painting divorce as the solution to all your problems is a good idea: divorce is simply a new set of problems

Very, very expensive problems that have the potential to continue for extended periods of time and bleed you of most of your resources.

Personally I'm anti marriage in general but think this is worth pointing out.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Been a few divorce posts here, the funny thing... Guys are realizing they actually have more disposable income, not less, even after the payments.

Women aren't cheap

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't cheap

wives.

women are fairly cheap

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

"well I was one of those guys, now I own my shit, lift, give her 10 second kisses and we are have sex threefive times a week instead of three times a year!". To that I say, well you made the bad choice, you would have been better off divorcing her and getting on with your awesome new life.

never had a DB; but coming back from an emotional affair (almost 20 years ago) and a wife that was emotionally checked out for a solid 10 years . . . . i have to agree with your advice EVEN THOUGH i did the opposite.

it's a pointless thought experiment; but yeah i should have divorced the whore and never had kids with her. of course, i probably would have fucked up the next one too since i was not OMS at all.

the reason i do not now is simply i value the time with my kids more than i value and optimal/better woman. this does not flow from "woe to my kids" idea. it flows from that i value my time with them more than i value time with a different woman. it's a purely selfish evaluation. the time draws near that they will move on as adults; and i will very likely move on myself.

i know there are guys here who have done it, or convinced themselves they did . . . but i have so far concluded that vase that was broken cannot be put back together. too bad, it was a very nice vase.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Really good to hear from someone who has been there. I was there, my ex started an emotional affair, I had young kids. I told her to get the fuck out and served her with divorce papers. I kept the kids and the house, and now my ex and I are really good friends. I never tried to keep the kids away from her but I insisted my kids were not going near the guy. She respected my wishes and we never saw lawyers. It worked out for the best and I kept 100% of my pride. My vase was really nice too, but it got broken and I did not try to fix it. Years later I have zero regrets and know I made the right decision. I think a lot of the whining I get about this and my other posts is deep down, they know I am right but they still cling to blue pill beliefs about marriage and women.

EDIT: I wish you all the best when you start your awesome new life, you deserve it and it will be even better than you think. Good on you for putting your kids first in the interim

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Pft, you want the whining, you designed it specifically to draw them out.

When the day comes we need to do mass purges of retards, stuff like this will be required.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

You see through me, yes I do draw them out and it is deliberate. I do the same thing on the main sub, it's like whack a mole. Purple pill attitudes drive me mad. Better to stay blue than be purple.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I really wish I could care more, I just don't. Short of holding the guys dick, there's really not much more any of us can do to save someone from their own ego.

I do like to see the occasional guy, who is willing to burn down everything in order to get what he wants. Like when Bogey used to drive into the parking lot and just read, or Gargantuan just washed his ass and got to work. The litz put his head down and just slowly unfucked himself. oldredpiller was willing to throw away 30 some years or marriage to get his life.

Theres tons of those guys in here, they don't make large waves, they just did what they had to do, with the intensity of a steam roller, slow, unmovable, consistent.

They aren't the kind to brag about having to kill their puppy, but if it came down to it, you can tell they will when it came to it.

I stick around for guys like that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why haven't we met before? You talk sense and should be endorsed. If we were in the same location we would be having a beer and a good talk.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, it's [deleted]. My new account

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[deleted]

I was actually wondering how you were going to get introduced at the conference

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, me too

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, I guess the hardcore navy red should have given it away. I'm getting very sick of the Purple Priest's BS. Are you guys going to do anything? I don't want him banned but hang an albatross on his neck so he learns to listen rather than teach.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Flair is the best filtering mechanism we got. No worries, we try to stay on top of the narrative

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm stylomj

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've no idea what that means

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I kept the kids and the house

i think you are aware of how unusual this outcome is

still cling to blue pill beliefs about marriage and women

i will admit that i have not completely killed this yet; and still hold out a little hope for putting the vase back together. depending on how things go with maturation of daughter; i will trigger a main event and give her one last opportunity to get on the train 110%. i am banking on female solipsism . . . LOL

Good on you for putting your kidsus first in the interim

like i said; it's what i want but at this point i am also dealing with daughter's mental health issues to which a divorce would not be additive. one of the things that being "older" has taught me is that there is a time and place for everything in life; and that priorities should not be static. i am thourghougly enjoying my kids right now; and i just got a collar and leash for a new plate so i am enjoying everything else to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely it is unusual to keep kids and house but I am a lawyer. Same as when red curious and BPP say they are not scared of divorce cause they know their rights, they have made a plan and they know they have the resources to wage war. It is not the same for most guys, which sucks ass. Family courts in the west are fucked. Glad to hear you are living life to the fullest and again, good on you for putting kids first. There is no role that is more important for a man than being a great dad.

[–]DanG30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the broken vase anology. Even if/when you can put it back together you still see the cracks, and you know it was broken. Someone may take some pride and feel "lucky" in having fixed it, but it's still obvious that it is a broken vase and it's not as strong, nor good looking as a new one.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Time with kids > finding new woman.

This describes something that I'm coming to terms with too. It's been an undercurrent of my MAP that I've been ignoring.

[–]John9249 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If you think going from dead bedroom, to fucking the same woman who used to reject you is some sort of success, then your bar for success is very low indeed.

Yeah but it is the mans fault she rejected you. If you are a piece of shit fat drunk captain she should reject you!

For me success no longer means having more sex with my wife. However that is now a by product of reaching other goals and becoming the family alpha again.

Divorcing my wife because I was in a low sex marriage (because I sucked) and destroying my family to live an "awesome life" seems like a bad idea.

I have only been here 6 months and lifting/dieting for 12 months and my life has improved drastically. Things with the wife are great too but she really isnt my focus right now:)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm a red pill guy so I am not buying what you are selling. I don't give a fuck why a wife lost attraction and I am not a cuck who likes self flagellation. If a wife has emotionally exited, for whatever reason, then the well is poisoned and the relationship will never be one that would satisfy me. I accept that many guys have lower expectations and standards than I do.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So then we need to dissect what constitutes an emotional affair, such that it constitutes a poisoned well?

Now thats a fucking moving target.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every guy who has posted in here knows the line pretty clearly.

Its like porn vs nude art. I can't describe the difference, but I can tell you when I see it

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If a wife has emotionally exited, for whatever reason, then the well is poisoned and the relationship will never be one that would satisfy me.

Women are chamelions and once you stop putting up with her bullshit and graduate to DNGAF I honestly think it is usually easier to turn it around with a woman than to try to build an entirely new relationship. Sure the "sex" part can get turned around over night with another woman but finding and building a LTR is much more tricky. I think the only reason it is often "harder" with a given woman with whom you have a history is because you don't NGAF and the resulting covert contract sets you back.

[–]alphabeta49MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This goes against Rollo's "Rooting Through The Trash" post. Care to explain?

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Rooting through the trash refers to breaking it off with a woman and trying to restart it with her later, usually after she has picked up a lot of DNA through the vaginal/oral/anal route. That is not the situation faced by most Merps who have not dragged their wives to the road yet.

[–]alphabeta49MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha. For the record I agree. It's easy to yell "next" or "don't root through trash" when a guy comes along with a demon from hell for a wife. But for most guys, working on themselves will reveal that their wives had the potential to be sweet, submissive, sexy, feminine partners all along; they were just lacking the right leadership. So the first decision shouldn't be whether to root through trash, but whether there's actually any trash to begin with.

[–]Westernhagen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For many guys (including myself) who haven't actually broken it off yet, there are still some giant stinking piles of trash:

  • For me, the giant stinking pile of trash is her contempt, indifference, and lack of attraction to me. If that changed, and she suddenly chameleoned into someone who showed affection and desire, I would have to work to unsee that. This is true even though I fully understand that I earned that contempt, indifference, and lack of attraction through my own contemptible, attraction-killing behavior.

  • For her, the giant stinking pile of trash is my contemptible, attraction-killing behavior over the past 17 years. She would have to unsee all that. It is that much harder because I am not a "former alpha"; neither of us has an example of "alpha me" to revert to.

  • In cases where there has been a physical or emotional affair... I guess there are men capable of NGAF about that pile of trash, but the effort to do so is herculean indeed.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My whore is a wife. Agree on your points. Doesn't matter to me how beta you are or whatever. Just because it's your fault you let it get to the point where she is doing this kind of shit doesn't mean she gets a pass and certainly doesn't mean you don't get to pass. It just means you accept the failure and move the fuck on. You can right? I mean... You have options. No? Then take the 3x a week wet hole to fill while you unfuck yourself if you want but don't delude yourself. Plan all the way to the end.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plan all the way to the end.

right on brother

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Word

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the reality that the guy who comes on here whingeing that his wife is hanging out alone with some random dude, is that his wife is a filthy, dirty whore.

Not long ago, and before that it was for all of human history, a man with a whore wife had PLENTY of options. Today, the man's only option is to simply not GAF. It is sad when I see the desolate wreckage of our culture, society, and country but I guess it was planned that way. The important thing is not happiness, social stability, or providing a good home for the kids. In our culture, the important thing is the absolute adulation and worship of women and children. She before He indeed.

[–]youmolide 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Cruel but fair LOL

One of the things I always said to the Walkaway Wife was that it was always clear to me that she never loved me from the very beginning - which in my world was not optimal, but still acceptable, as long as she filled all the other roles / holes - I was OK with that.

I'm still struggling a bit with AWALT in the sense that if that is true (and pretty sure it is) i becomes much harder to put in the effort to have any kind of LTR. After all - what's the fucking point ? This one, that one, in the end you still end up alone - so how do you muster up the energy to even start ? Especially when you get older and REALLY internalize all the shit as you look back on dozens of various relationships.

I also have a lot of mixed feelings about guys who have 'saved' their marriages. Sure as long as you do the 'thing' and play the role, you get laid and the wife is 'happy'. And what happens when you eventually get tired of being an actor ? Or some life situation forces you out of your role ? (heart attack, job loss, accident etc.)

Then the monkey is right back on your back.

Maybe the very best we can ever hope for is to postpone the inevitable as long as possible.

Red Pill sucks ass. LOL But the altrernative - total cluelessness - is worse.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are women who are worth investing in with the caveat that you are always prepared to drop them and you will not have lost more than you gained. Marriage (read: The Law) disrupts this dynamic and swings power in favor of the woman. You better think long and hard about that. LTR does not. You will still face the same, or very similar, relationship dynamics if you are married or exclusive. As to the rest of your post, you still haven't accepted TRP. This too shall pass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree with calling them whores. Whores are smart enough to get paid to spread their legs. Cheating cunts aren't.

[–]DayHofMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

AWALT? For arguments sake if you leave your whore aren't you just going to find another one.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's where the whole "self improvement" part comes in

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men love women, women love kids and kids love puppies.

It's funny...you can internalize this and plot a new course because of it, but still read it and every time go: "Man, that's still fucked up." Not in a cry-at-the-injustice-of-the-world way, but a read-a-news-article-about-kids-dying-in-a-fire-that-really-sucks way.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm picturing you sipping coffee with a newspaper that reads "Breaking News: Women only love Children."

[–]ruizbujc0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is the sexual strategy aspect (as opposed to the descriptive aspects) supposed to be about (1) getting more/better sex or (2) getting better at getting more/better sex?

(1) keeps men in their existing pool, but tells them to find a different girl on the same tier if option A isn't cutting it for you. (2) increases the pool of women he could pull. (1) is not all that helpful, (2) is. Which is the more "RP" path?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

2

[–]ruizbujc0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How does this post embody 2 instead of 1? I'm not seeing it yet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post is a hard core red pill slap of reality. We get guys in here all the time saying "my wife's having an emotional affair, how do I save the marriage". My answer is simple, your wife is a whore, leave her. No need to overthink it

[–]ruizbujc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I totally understand what you were doing. But if RP is 2, as you said, then how is a 1 post "hard core red pill"?

[–]Ham_Kitten0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So wait. Am I a beta pussy faggot because I’m married and I love my wife? I’m just wondering if I need to be more fragile and insecure, thanks

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not at all, I love my SO as well. This post was specifically directed at guys who post on our questions sub asking if they should stay with their cheating wives. Do you feel like a big internet tough guy now that you took on a big evil misogynist?

[–]Ham_Kitten0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep I almost feel like I have a macropenis now

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, it looks like a penis, only smaller

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice. Hardcore red pill version of what I was trying to get at.

But it is still trust but verify first yeah?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is aimed at the guys who have already verified. In my experience if a guy (or a girl) is worried their partner is looking elsewhere, the there is a 98% chance they are correct.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if a guy (or a girl) is worried their partner is looking elsewhere

This for me is where trust but verify begins, not ends, depending of course on the backstory

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Slow clap.

Purple be gone. It's red pill mother fucker or the highway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think purple is worse than blue. At least bloopers can be happy in their delusion. Purple pilled bitches do harm to the red pill body of knowledge with their gutless and faceless bitch downvotes.

[–]SimKeeKitty 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

BWAHAHAHA pretty funny that sooo many of the SUPPOSED red pill fucktards have this problem.

Ohhh honey, baaaby, please.....keep this in mind: we're not looking elsewhere because we want to. Instead, it's because this shit-tastic fucked up philosophy has scarred you so much that we cannot stand the sight of you... we can't stand your touch...we cannot stand hearing your superior narcissistic stupid voice repeating this bullshit red pill complete trash in our home.

You have been duped, you have been brainwashed, you are nothing. if you believe this shit, it is the hallmark of a sad disgusting weak ass man and someday we will fuck you over and enjoy every moment of it.

[–]BIG_HUB3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Go back to your wretched hole you fucking land shark.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whale. Land whale.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or butter shark

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell me more love.... oh, hang on, just let me grab the popcorn from the kitchen. Back in a tick.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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