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Warning: This series is going to trigger bloops and reds alike. I figure it's best you know that right out before you read it.

I am going to start my series of the Dark Triad personality types. Machiavellian personality types get a bad rep for a couple of different reasons. The biggest issue is the morality of decisions or actions used to achieve your goals. The second problem is people get boiled down to what they have to offer, not who they are. The other part that people generally dislike is the lack of empathy. Many others have covered this in-depth so I am going to write it as examples vs theory.

Deceit in Relationships

When you think about it, why do you ever need to tell the truth outside of the legal system? TRP members use this every single day and is almost institutionalized manipulation. We make our judgement that it is not harmful to either person because both persons agree with the end result. There is nothing wrong with this and as we shall soon read, bloopers also engage in the behavior but to an end that is not agreeable. You can lie to another person or mislead information to gain a result.

Examples

Girl is Obese.

You could be honest and upfront with your girl and tell her that she is fat and unattractive. She deserves to be told by the person she loves most in the world that her health is at risk. She also should be told that you only find rolls desirable when they are on the dinner table. Fact is, only a few subsets of men find a busted can of biscuits attractive and you can find them at your local fair grounds. You already know how that conversation and possibly relationship is going to end. It should be noted that some men do get results with this tactic, so your mileage may vary.

The other way to actually get a result is never telling her she is obese. When she asks (oh, she will) when she looks fat in those pants you probably shouldn't answer back "it's not the pants". You could instead over time start going to the gym, changing your diet at home, and achieving results with your own body. You rub her hips, ass, and she will start notice all on her own that she is on the losing end of the attraction game. Casually mention events at the gym and new classes and see if there is any interest in going. Never pushing the issue. When and if she starts mirroring your diet and gym habits and becoming more attractive. You wouldn't have said you manipulated her would you? You did, and you hamstered that you are not a manipulator.

Why is it then that one way worked and was considered immoral, when the other way destroyed the relationship?

Sexy Times

You approach a woman in the bar who you find attractive. You project confidence, attractiveness, and begin a conversation with her. Imagine telling her all the good AND the bad things about you. You probably should mention up front that you have a three inch micropenis, one testicle, poor credit, and a debilitating health issue. Her panties are going to moisten right up and she will decide that your personality is so much more important than your health status.

Doubtful, you are probably not going to mention any of those things to her. In fact, you would probably lie about them if she asks directly. Instead you run your PUA game and manipulate her into getting sex. Women in fact use sex as a manipulative tool as well and more often than men. The post-wall woman is ready to settle down and provides sex to keep the BB around. The blowjob to convince you to buy that new washing machine with the steam option was not manipulation.

Getting a career

Most people in the work force have a pretty decent and truthful resume. They write down their qualities, job skills, past employment history. Then embellish a little bit, not outright lying, just gussying it up. They get the interview and answer the questions truthfully but don't offer up their bad qualities. Maybe or maybe not get the job. There are plenty more jobs out there.

Why not lie about your resume completely? Put down jobs you never worked at with skills you know how to do but no one would hire you for lack of experience. For each job have a friend pretend to the be the HR person and provide the employer that phone number to check. Many people work for small companies who may not be in business anymore! You can't check a job that is closed down but you can still provide your old supervisor's phone number. Show up the interview prepared for the job duty questions and just tell them what they want to hear. As long as you show up to work and actually know how to do what the job requires. There will never be an issue if you are just a little out of practice or green as long as you can complete the work. You won't be able to do that with a college degree, people can check for free. You can fudge your GPA, as that is not provided through a FERPA request.

Cynicism

Cynicism simply put is they believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest. In other words, they look out for themselves. You can trust me when I say that people are inherently evil and by extension selfish. Therefore, you could be as well and use people’s own selfishness to get what you want in life. People with a healthy dose of cynicism already look at social interactions and life events for what they are. Not as they want them to be. Did you really think marriage was a good thing to benefit you personally? Is that job actually hiring you because you fit the role? Does the 32 year old single mom sleep with your fat ass because you are great in bed? Nope. Marriage is to benefit the woman. Your job needs you only to make money. That woman needs a provider. However, to the non-cynic. Marriage makes strong families. Your job likes your work and personality. The single mom likes your sense of humor and Kleenex box color choices.

Morality

Morals are standards of behavior and belief by society. Who really gets to decide what is moral? You do. You get to decide if your actions are moral or not. The morals of your actions should be dictated by your results. As long as there is not a law against it, it’s moral. There it is in black and white.

  • Telling the truth, only when it benefits you.
  • Don't Gossip, just use it to spread discontent against an enemy.
  • Respect others, who have something to offer you.
  • Integrity, you will be the only person with integrity in the room.
  • Seek justice, especially when it will get you that promotion over the guy who was caught breaking the rules.
  • Serve others, but only when they are giving something back.
  • Be charitable, because people need to see your “good side”.

Conclusion

Life can be what you make of it as long as you are willing to selfishly pursue your goals. Look out only for you and yours. Willing to do what is necessary to win.


[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've taken those Dark Triad tests. Not sure how accurate they are. My Machiavellian trait is off the charts.

I think I tell the truth....at least as far as I want people to know. I don't fabric facts nor details which I guess is more deceit. Yet everything I say can be verified and checked.

truth is a weapon. Use it.

[–]ElSupremoDeluxe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only way you can probably get a really good idea of your score is to have 4-5 trusted friends take the test and rate you, then average it out.

Not many people are introspective enough to give themselves a true answer. It's going to be tainted with personal desire, truth be told. Hence why everyone wants to say how Mach they are.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never did a test but I can tell you my machiavellian personality cannot be measured.

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[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IM heavily influenced my interest in this aspect to understanding interaction with others.

I think I reference that exact post in my own.

Must read for those interested.

[–]donedreadpirateMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great write up. Gossiping can be used to your advantage... just don't be A Gossip.

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

The difference between the hamster and this? The hamster is damage control, this is planning.

Love the post, is probably the most practical DT material I've seen... Ever. I know bogey disagrees that this can be learned (I think it can) but how someone absorbs someone like this is a great indicator on whether you're dealing with the master, or the slave. (Morality)

I should take one of those mach tests that ReddJive is talking about. Would be fun to see where I rank on the empathy scale. I imagine I would be better than a crybaby, but not as good as a sociopath, guess I need to practice

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUsMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess I'm a slave then. I don't really have a problem with the specific examples given, but I completely reject the seven bullet summary at the end. It seems like a recipient for loneliness to me.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you are not unable to wrap your head around not serving others, how then did you put yourself first?

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUsMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple. I serve myself. And I also serve others (although not that much, to be honest). Only serving people who serve you back sounds like a covert contract to me.

Where I do agree with you, and maybe this is more what you had in mind, is that I won't sacrifice myself for people who I think don't deserve the effort.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

where I rank on the empathy scale.

IMO, or at least , in my case, empathy is learned.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

You would be surprised and I think that, nowadays at least, the mere basics can be learned. How well they can stop their feeling of guilt and consequences will directly relate to that. I bet you score a bit higher than you think because in some ways all of us are manipulating another some how.

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Tell me about it. Think I'm doing your steam powered laundry because I wanted to?

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[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Are you going to start killing babies now you psychopath?!?!? That score is a solid average on the M. I guess you still lose :( but wait, tell him what he gets to home with! queue shitty walk off music

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I definitely tanked on the narcissism. I just don't care. Add nihilism instead on the triangle, and I'll crush it!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

tanked on the narcissism

High narcissistic can cause troubles too. If you are recognized, it can be self defeating. Narcissistic tendencies need to be very carefully camouflaged, or you cannot get away with anything..... so I'm told.

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Starting to think i see where the anger comes from.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Just saw two old friends yesterday in New England. They both reminded me that, quote: "you like you have your way about things."

It is what it is. To u/Bogeyd6 post, some better use of DT might have smoothed my way, rather than running over everything in my path.

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Beats letting it walk over you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

There you go, being an optimist again. Or, as the Irish say, "May the road rise up to meet you and the wind be at your back."

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reminds of, you can clear a path with a machete or you could walk on the sidewalk.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet I choose the machete rather than walk someone else's path. Not an optimal use of my time, but seems to be in my wiring.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok I took the test. But But I'm really a nice guy.......

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED - Blue Pill Diplomat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3/results.php?s=1.5,2,1

What trait is noticing the URL can be manipulated to give you whatever results you want but not caring enough to bother being deceitful?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that test is at the mercy of one's current mood, and, the results are easily skewed.

[–]Mr_Grateful points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Awesome, you took an online test. I'm guilty of the same. Doesn't mean shit. Compartmentalize.......

[–][deleted] points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Thanks tips, i figured it was as good as a medical diagnosis, and prepared to start killing puppies.

Got any other wisdom for me?

[–]Mr_Grateful points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Y'all have to be kidding? Rule #1 you don't talk about fight club. It's my believe that.......there needs to be a private sub.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao, but at some point you have to talk about it!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like this post. DT "light" can be used to achieve a man's goals.

If you can get past all the moralizing, it has some good uses in moving men forward. It is easy to feel less guilt when you get what you need and want.

Sometimes a man just has to use what he has to his best advantage. Play to each man's strengths, and, work around his weaknesses. Not every weakness can be, or needs to be improved. There is only so much time in this life.

[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is awesome man. I couldn't agree more. NOBODY truly gives a fuck about you. So why should you give a fuck about them? Live your life the way you want with an end goal of getting what you want. Do whatever it takes to get it. Use people, because they are using you. Thinking anything different is lying to yourself. Believe me, when your chips are down, NOBODY gives a fuck. They will see that weakness and take; not give. Always remember who the most important person in your life is.

[–]Mr_Grateful points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Outcome dependence is very similar to dark triad. I've taken the DT test many times over many years and it's been the same score, high. Knowing it has helped me understand myself tho I will not allow it to compartmentalize or define me. I don't have the time to write about this subject today from my experience. It's a double edge sword and if controlled, is an edge in life.

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I work as a person who has to do this every day. It's a rare glimpse. There are boundaries.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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