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This is for guys who are divorcing / ending a LTR or considering it, based on my experience

You have improved, became a valuable man, gave your wife time and she didn't jump into your boat.

Nobody is perfect, but while your mistakes were acceptable, hers were not. What now?

1. Know why you are divorcing.

Divorce is a bureaucratic process that often takes a long time to complete. It is easy to stay down and consider not getting divorced when your wife comes to ask you to come back. While it may be ok to forgive her and decide to get together again, it is not ok to do this due to oneits, or for any reason other than a well thought out, reasonable, rational approach.

Make a list of the reasons why you are divorcing. Save it on your smartphone in order to have it always with you. This is what will keep your mind fresh and sane when you need. My list has over 20 items. Remember all the shit she has done to you, your kids, your family and friends, and write it down.

When you start the divorce process, more shit will happen, make sure to include those in your list as well. Save all the text messages with your soon to be ex. She will eventually do stuff that will hurt you even more. To a few good and close friends and family members, you can show how crazy she is. These are the only people that will give you emotional support.

Use the list of the reasons why you are divorcing when she starts to gaslight, making you doubt your decision. Check if what she was saying overcomes the problems you listed; from what happened with me and others I’ve talked, it rarely will.

2. Know that it is hard to be a man and be divorced without a fault on your side.

People don’t know what to tell you when you did everything right and your wife messed things up. They know what to say if the case was that you’ve cheated her, if you were a bad husband or father. It’s good for YOU to know that you did your best, and you did nothing wrong. But it’s hard for others to understand. And it’s hard to explain to plates when you start going after other girls. Nobody will give you emotional support. Girls will actually feel repulsed for the very fact that you didn’t do anything wrong in your marriage, don’t ever say this to them.

To the plates, I often tell that “my wife didn’t want to have sex anymore, was distant, along with a lot of other things”, or you can A&A then say "mistakes were made". If you go the other route, saying all the good things you did and yet your ex didn’t want you as a husband, the plate will see you as low value man. She will think: “if your best wasn’t enough for your ex, how can it be for me?”

3. If you have kids, your ex will be in your life until your kid is 18.

You will always be the father of her kid, and she will always be the mother of your kid, that’s for life. You will have to deal with your ex until your kid is 18. It's hard to ghost her before that. Your ideal scenario is joint custody, wich presupposes respect and harmony in the former couple.

If your ex is not happy, she will probably reflect that on your kid. This is the hardest shit, but inside your head, you must wish your ex to be happy with some guy.

The best scenario is that you and your ex become friends. Your kid would love this, it’s the best for the kid, if you can. But do it in a manly way: you are right in this divorce, so if she is giving you a bad time, this may not happen at all or happen only in the future. All you have to do is be stoic and don’t answer to her bullshits. Walk away when she is crazy, don’t answer her nonsensical provocations.

4. If you have kids, accept that you will have to pay something (a lot).

Since you or her leave the house, start paying something. The idea is that you build a historic that can be used in court later. Pay a decent amount, but not all you can, since she will probably ask for more in court.

Always talk to your lawyer before you start paying anything. Get the best lawyer your money can buy.

5. Your kids will be fine.

As long as you see your kids a decent amount of time, things between the kids and you will be the same. They will love you as much as they did before. Being married and being a father are separated things. There is, however, a small chance that your kid will experience divorce-related problems.

Be awesome with your kids when you are with them. Go for joint custody if you can.

6. You will need to make new friends.

If your friends are all married or on LTR, they will not fit in your new reality. Married friends have their family and business to run, and a lifestyle that probably doesn’t include going out late of the night on bars. They will help you with talks and shit, but they won’t be able to go out with you when you want find new girls.

Basically you will have to go out without the friends you know, in places you are not used to go, and will have to be social again. If you have divorced or single friends, go after them; otherwise, you will have to socialize to find new friends.

7. There is an awesome life for a divorced man out there.

It was the biggest surprise for me so far. Pretty, intelligent divorced and single women your age everywhere, for every tastes. No ONS or plate gave a shit for the fact that I am divorced and have a kid. It may be harder to find a LTR in the future, I’m not sure. But after being a long time in a marriage, who wants a relationship this fast? Give yourself some time.

You will be amazed by the amount of awesome single or divorced girls that are available for you to pick.

8. Girls will like you. There are few masculine men out there.

You go to a bar and there are guys younger, better looking and stronger than you, but they are lost in general. They have no game, they are not masculine, they only approach girls that throw themselves to the guy.

Girls told me that old-school men are the best. I am 38 years old. Be cool, secure, mock the girls, don’t pay their drinks (I recommend you pay for one beer, she pays the other), have a good time and they will think that you are the shit. And of course, lift heavy as if your cock depended on it, because it really does.

Edited to insert good considerations from the posts below.


[–]FistFullOfBitches points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Solid list.

From my experience, regarding point 2, do NOT speak of details of your last marriage to your new women. I made the BP mistake of trying to build a "connection" by "opening up" and sharing some of the difficulties of my first marriage to my current wife in the beginning. Not just an attraction killer, but fuel for numerous rounds of aggressive "why the hell did you let that happen/act like that?", and "why don't you treat me like that (i.e. bend over and act like a beta) when you did that with your ex?" shit tests. FML. Better to STFU, quiet and mysterious.

Re: point 3, be vigilant about your boundaries with your kids and your time here. I went the amicable divorce route (at least in the first several years), and tried to keep friendly contact with the ex for the sake of modelling a non-confrontational relationship for the kids. But over time it became apparent that there was a neverending stream of "can you change your schedule", "can you drive the kids on Tuesday", "you need to do X for the sake of the kids", and it took a long time (longer than I'm proud to admit) before I realized she was still walking all over me and treating me like a default babysitter for all the shit she wanted to go out and do. But it was all "for the sake of the kids". LOL. Plus, the "amicable" thing led to much jealousy from the new wife (and not the useful dread kind, the angry crying accusatory kind).

Just my 2 cents.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

regarding point 2, do NOT speak of details of your last marriage to your new women

Yes, for all the reasons you mentioned. Plus, it's none of their business. Plus, if you talk about all the hurt and pain and shit, it just makes you look weak and feminine in the eyes of a new woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard next the current wife

[–]RPAlternate42MRP APPROVED12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

On #3:

My parents divorced when I was 6. My father used to walk us to the respective houses on exchange days. Once we were like 12 or so, he stopped. We walked from the car with whatever checks needed to be paid to her. She remarried when I was 7, so the checks usually amounted to private school costs and daycare costs for my brother and I.

My point is, he basically ghosted her for the most part. Never dealt with her, kept conversation to a list of questions he had, if any, and never spoke about her. In short: my father had complete indifference for my mother.

They divorced because she smoked and he didn't. More specifically, she had stopped when she was pregnant with me, then started again. It was on the balcony or in the backyard for a time, but he said she started smoking indoors when he was at work (while I was home with her.) He first asked her stop. Then he told her. Then he told her that she could pick smoking in the house or being married. She then started smoking in the house, in front of him.

He served her the next day. I moved in with him before I was 7.

For reasons unrelated to any of that, I have since ghosted her as well. My kids are more important to me than she is.

My point it is, you won't be tied to her until the end of your days. 18 max... but for my father, it was basically until my brother hit high school. I was enlisted by that point. Once my brother was 18, my father never spoke to or of my mother again.

On #6

I have married friends and I have single friends. I have married friends who are friends with me and not her. a little over 2 years ago I had accepted who I would have had to cut out of my life completely and who I wouldn't have. The "need to cut" list was extensive, but I realized that almost all of them were a result of people she knew before me.

Friends are easy to make, but as a guy, I have a couple old friends, a few recent ones and few new ones... mostly because I don't look for them.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your father sounds pretty alpha. Why are you here, on this sub?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not that simple at all. My dad is alpha as fuck. My son is 3x the natural I ever was.

[–]BrazilRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My point it is, you won't be tied to her until the end of your days. 18 max... but for my father, it was basically until my brother hit high school. I was enlisted by that point. Once my brother was 18, my father never spoke to or of my mother again.

You are right, 18 max is when you will be able to ghost her. It seems distant now, but it certainly isn't for life. I will edit the post later with this, thank you.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love these insights, thanks for sharing

Years ago I feared the D word and was owned by my own insecurities.

Now I just see it as a potential hurdle tbat may or may not present itself.

Either way this train has no brakes. Career, fitness, fatherhood, and hobbies moving foward at light speed and the burden is on the bitches to hold on for dear life.

Paradoxically, this makes women quite happy. Couldnt make it up if you tried

[–]disgruntledearthling6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good post!

Older divorced men like myself (56 when divorced) might have it easier. Certainly things will be different. Like the ex NOT being in the picture at all! The kids are older and there's little need to interact with her. When I do it's thru email.

It's important at all ages to stay fit and take care of yourself. Double so for us old farts. This pays off when older since the 'competition' mostly hasn't. Unfortunately this applies for the women our age so dating down in age is the norm.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cannot date women in my age bracket either. Men age like wine, but women age like milk. When I found myself single in my mid 40s I was astounded that younger girls will happily fuck you. Life is good for an in shape older man.

[–]postscript11144 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. As a guy that is going through divorce right now, it is good to hear that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

[–]RawgerOThornhill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very accurate, especially (7). I've been happily single for five years, made the mistake of marrying twice. Never again. Living my own life, for me, to the fullest extent possible: travel, women if/when I want, money to spend on what I am passionate about. My married friends are quite jealous.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

+1 for 7 and 8.

I wouldn't overdramatise 3. As u/Rpalternate42 wrote, you can ghost her. I keep the contact to the minimum, I don't even look at her when I come to get the kids.

And I fully realise, that in a few years there will be absolutely NO reasons to keep contact with her whatsoever. But, there will be a magnitude of reasons to keep contact with my kids.

That moment will come.

So, I disagree with no 3.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I did that whole not look at her, ghosting thing. IMO it means you are still hurt/ resentful. There is another good reason to be friendly with the ex, even if she is a cunt, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Try it out, even if you have to fake it til you make it, the kids will love to see you be nice to each other. Treat her like a coworker and you are in a meeting with the boss present.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

IMO it means you are still hurt/ resentful

Never said I'm not.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not criticising you at all my friend. It took me years to let go of my feelings and now that I look back I am embarrassed that I let emotion affect me so much. Forgiveness helps you more than it helps others. Just try always to let it go.

[–]vulgarpickle4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, this will be beneficial as I'm in the middle of a divorce. I have been telling myself these same things but it is nice reading/hearing it from someone who has been there done that

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this post. I've recently come to the point where I'm researching lawyers. My biggest hangup has been our two year old. And while I think my wife is a great mom, I'm not relishing dealing with her for the next 16 years

[–]BrazilRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My kid is 2,5 years. You can only go after girls when you are not with the kid. Generally your ex will be the best babysitter that your kid can get.

And yes, it sucks having to deal with her for 16 more years, but it will be a considerable less amount of time than if you were still married to her.

[–]briareos_uk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am pretty much in the same place, still working at fixing me and hoping she tags along, but learning about the divorce process in case I feel the need to call time.

Hope it pans out well for you dude.

[–]fatalbinoninja3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really enjoyed the timing on this post. I just filed three weeks ago and some doubt has been creeping in ever since. She started doing keto immediately after I filed and has been much more pleasant to be around as well.

While I recognize that these are short term tactics to keep me around and not indicative of real change, a part of me still wishes they were. I have to throttle that part of myself daily and remain focuses on my plans for moving out and in the coming weeks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff. However, disagree with this:

Your kids will be fine.

No they will not be fine. The best that can be hoped for is that the damage will be minimal, that they'll get over it eventually, and that any damage they do suffer will not affect their relationship with you too badly.

I've seen too many kids of divorce to think the kids are all right afterwards. They're not. It fucks them up big time. They suffer. A lot. Some handle it better than others.

For me, the main reason I'm not divorced is because of my kids. If the marriage had gotten bad enough (relentless verbal abuse, physical abuse, cheating, no sex), I'd divorce, but only because staying would drive me insane or destroy my self-respect. And then I'd have to live with the fact that my kids would be unavoidable collateral damage.

[–]Westernhagen2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

To the plates, I often tell that “my wife didn’t want to have sex anymore, was distant, along with a lot of other things”.

Isn't that an assertion of low value? Sure wouldn't want to answer (truthfully, anyway) any follow-up questions on that front.

[–]BrazilRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is, I am accepting suggestions on what to say. I avoid this talk, but sometimes you have to say something. Any suggestions?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Start with A&A, and then fall back to "mistakes were made"

[–]disgruntledearthling3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cool. I've been saying the 'no sex' thing (which is true) in a manner to emphasize that that's what I want now... kinda setting the stage. This gets them talking about sex and how it's important to them too...

The DLV angle kinda makes sense but I'm divorced and wasn't at fault - kinda goes with the territory

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If it works for you , great. I would avoid anything that makes you appear thirsty

[–]disgruntledearthling3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Makes a lot of sense - I'm considering just avoiding the 'why-I'm-divorced' subject altogether. Seems to be a healthier place to be.

I guess divorced people carry their scars with them for a while - men at least. Lot's of women I've met just don't mention anything like that from their past. They've war-brided it out of their consciousness.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now you're getting it

Abundance mentality is the keystone

[–]Redpillbrigade171 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this and it's been interesting to see as well. Especially early in the "dating" process if you - over a cosy dinner - suavely communicate you have a high sex drive or something like that, it communicates you are a man who knows what he wants and he will get it. Communicates that you set the terms. Then watch her qualify herself to you, and jump to please you. That's the essence of alpha right there. Do this early when it's clear and obvious you have a lot of options, and she will be all over you to prove herself.

The key is to keep her that way once NRE dies down and if one reverts to blue pillish behaviors... she will gradually up shit tests, and /or get harpy and may eventually go seek better etc. we know that part.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It didn't work out."

[–]2gunsgetsomeMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Possibly different for me since I initiated my divorce.

If they ask on the first date, I shut it down with "Whoa, jumping right to a 3rd date question?"

When it comes up later ("So really, what happened?"), I put it out there:

"We had different visions for the future of our relationship. I wasn't willing to compromise so I ended it."

They usually say "What does that even mean?"

"I realized one day that I'd spent my life busting my ass to be someone I didn't even like so I started living for myself. I like her and wanted her to keep up but she chose not to put effort into herself to do it."

Now, of the 5 plates I tried out on the way to making one my girlfriend, this talk always happened right after some awesome sex or in the car on the way to/from some adventure I took her on.

Yes, it's a lot of words and overt statements. But I think it defines two things: "My life is awesome. You can be a part of it." and "I'm not afraid to end or willing to tolerate a one-sided relationship."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lift heavy as if your cock depended on it

Truth.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your kids will be fine.

This seems rather flippant to me. It took a lot of work to get my kids to a "normal" state. My oldest took things really hard and I had him in counseling for the first few months after I left. Every kid is different. To brush it off with saying "They'll be fine" and, "be an awesome dad," is misleading at best.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great advice, especially about your ex being in your life until your kids are 18. Took me a long time to get there but the ex and I are friends now, it is so much easier than arguing or talking through lawyers/ third parties. The advice about walking if there is an argument is solid

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully, you are in a position to be correct on #3. If your ex can't adult, then maybe not and too bad for you and your kids that you vetted so poorly in the first place.

As a child of divorce with my own kids, I can tell you that I really appreciate the fact that my parents and their spouses all get along great.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a pretty good list.
3: this is a great point for people that are afraid or "staying married for the kids". If your kids are older than 8yrs old, they definitely see the problem behavior and the effects of stress. So how do you want to train them?

5:look at the length of time you need to work together because of the kids and pace yourself. Not every battle needs to go in your favor. But also recognize that he boundaries you allow today are the prison you live in later.

[–]fuckmrpMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Going to inject my frame here just to show another side of things:

  1. Know why you are divorcing.

This is universal. You should know and understand all of your motivations. If not you're drifting or worse being controlled. A list of bad actions will remind you to hold frame but willpower makes that list unnecessary.

I see many guys get divorced because the can not get out of her frame. They can not get control of the relationship so they give up. Some women are just toxic but most men are pussys.

  1. Know that it is hard to be a man and be divorced without a fault on your side.

Fault = judgement, fuck their judgement. Stop caring what other people think, especially shit that is none of their business.

Plate: You were married?

You: Yeah.

Plate: What happened?

You: Got divorced.

Plate: Why?

You: She talked too much. STFU and come over here.

You do not owe anyone an explanation, well maybe the kiddos.

  1. Your kids will be fine.

Maybe, maybe not. Once you go the door opens for all kinds of shit to happen. You'll only be there 50% of the time. What's that you say Ms. Shitbird is getting remarried. Hope hes a good stepdad since he'll get to parent as much as you do.

  1. There is an awesome life for a divorced man out there.

There's an awesome life for you regardless because you make it awesome.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty, intelligent divorced and single women your age everywhere, for every tastes.

On my MRP journey, this has been my biggest discovery as well. When I opened my eyes and saw past my oneitis, there is a lot of female opportunity there.

No ONS or plate gave a shit for the fact that I am divorced and have a kid.

Some don't even give a shit if you're married and have a kid.

You will be amazed by the amount of awesome single or divorced girls that are available for you to pick.

I remain amazed.

Great post.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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