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[FR] Catch & Release pt 2 (self.marriedredpill)

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I was out picking up my dry cleaning this afternoon. A woman walks in and we smile at each other. I saw her get out of her car, she wasn’t smiling. She actually looked like one of those vein popping hell moms that wants to murder her kids. Fair enough, I’’ll be her fun. Keep in mind, this is the second time I have ever asked for a phone number. I’m incredibly new to this and still scared shitless inside as I try. But as I mentioned before, fuck it, this year I’m ripping down all the safety nets and just going for whatever I think will help me improve.

So I pick up my cleaning and just have that feeling that I’m being watched. I turn and she’s staring at me. Women today don’t stare at anything but their phones. But she is just burning her eyes at me, smirking. I step aside, allowing the customer in front of her to the till and approach her

“Didn’t your mom tell you it was impolite to stare?”

“I wasn’t staring at you, I was reading the price board”

And…I’m lost. I reach into my bag of lines I’ve been mentally working on for weeks and come up with nothing. And here, guys, this is where things in my life have changed. Rather than bumble around or try to make something out of nothing, I just smile, a little nod and walk out. Another example of where STFU is a good default.

I walk next door to buy a bottle of wine. I’m browsing through and you fucking know who walks in. She casually walks to the aisle I’m in and says

“Great minds think alike", nodding toward the bottle of wine I’m standing in front of. It’s a $14 bottle of wine. It’s nothing.

the STFU walk away from earlier was what I needed, I was 100% more relaxed now

“I’ll be the judge of your mind, I’d like your phone number”

“I’m married” looks at my hand, “you’re married”

“yes”

in a little girl, secret on the playground hushed tone

“Married people don’t exchange phone numbers, are you crazy?!”

“No”

silence

“You’re going to what, txt me some night you’re out with your buddies?”

“No”

“But, you will phone me?” with juuuuust that little pang of want in her voice

STFU, smirking, staring right into those stressed out, nobody listens to me mom eyes

“I’m not giving you my number unless you promise you’ll call me”

“I can’t promise that. Now, Let’s have it”

“You’re pretty cocky, I don’t like when guys are cocky, are you always like this”

And then I realized what was happening, this was her fucking. This was as good as she would let it get, wanting a little banter in the wine store. My plan was always to release, I have no intention of boning this woman.

“Fair enough, enjoy your afternoon”

And I walked up, paid for my wine and left.

Here’s what I realized:

  • The first time I tried C&R, it was an absolute thrill. I had no idea what would happen, no idea what approach such a hot woman would be like. That was the first time. This time was different. I liked the initial thrill but the fact it pretty much went to script was actually a bit disappointing. Catch and release sounds like fishing, this was almost like buying fish from the monger.

  • I asked for a woman’s phone number twice and now have exactly what I need, a sense of how abundant available women are. They are everywhere and if I got divorced and actually put time in, I could have plenty. It’s like a oneitis vaccine and guys, if you feel yourself being drawn to believe your wife is the only one who will ever love you, I suggest this vaccination.

  • The upside of C&R is reaching its end at the moment, I’m not going to bother doing it for a while. When I got back to my car, I realized something, I wasn’t interested in trying again. I’ll have to think on this a little and figure out what it means but without any other way to say it at the moment, the exchange with this women very quickly became boring. She was maybe a 6/10, 7/10 if she put in some work and that could very easily been why.


[–]walkingthelinux31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And then I realized what was happening, this was her fucking. This was as good as she would let it get, wanting a little banter in the wine store.

No, that was her anti-slut defense. This women wanted you to fuck her.

[–]PurpleVeteranMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She was so far in OPs frame, was begging him for attention. Maybe she was just doing it for the thrills and validation -- her own form of C+R. It certainly sounds like he was going to number-close her at the very least, but maybe more.

On the other hand, I don't think OP had a plan beyond C+R either. If his goal was simply to build some abundance mentality, then mission accomplished. What ended up happening was he got a fish on the line, and didn't know whether to bring it into the boat or let it go. Maybe she wasn't all that interesting after all, maybe it was a bit of LMR/ASD, but she ended up calling his bluff.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much game to judge anyone else, but as it reads, he left quite a bit out on the field and tried to justify it as DNGAF.

That said, thanks for the FRs chalet. I hope writing them out gives you as much insight as reading them did.

[–]walkingthelinux0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That said, thanks for the FRs chalet.

What?

[–]Hotdawg1793 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Field Report. Chalet is OP's username.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd keep up being friendly and chatty with all people, young and old. I occasionally chat with fat girls just because I know they get zero attention from attractive guys. I'll even kino them a bit just for fun. Careful you don't overdo it. If I'm just being friendly to other women around my wife her hamster goes out of control. Tailor it to your situation.

[–]xddm26531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hehe you say that like it's a bad thing

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And then I realized what was happening, this was her fucking

No, this was making sure you weren't gonna make her feel pumped and dumped, or easy, or endanger her by telling her hubby.

this was also her way of saying " I want you"

“You’re pretty cocky, I don’t like when guys are cocky, are you always like this”

how is this negative?

try these answers :

"yes"

"only when I am sleeping"

"cocky? nope. Justified"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

May I suggest studing some improv? The dry cleaners for example, when you STFU, there's plenty of opportunity to direct a conversation, since she never closed it, you can always take it in different directions.

Remember, a lot of the time, girls really don't care what you're saying, but how you say it, and how it makes them feel. It's why Dane Cook was a comedian for so long, attractive fit man making sounds and acting erratic, they eat it up.

e.g.

Looking at the price board.
* That price board has a name, he's not a piece of meat.
* Yeah, my mom told me not to stare at price boards
* OH? Then how much does the toasted bagel cost / This isn't a bagel shop / Then that would explain why the guy handed me these shirts

A huge fan of catch and release, I try not to treat it like jerking off, where I need it out of the way to get some sleep. Enjoy the journey. Even Roosh ackgnowledges, the more words you both use, the more comfortable she is, and the more likely you have a hamstered reason to give out a phone number to a 'great conversationalist' and not a 'bad girl getting dick on the sly'.

I have had much more success when I tease, and keep the plausable deniability high

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's some good homework in there man, thanks. The bagel board, that's going into the plan

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously, there's some amateur improv classes, they work wonders for helping guys think on their feet, even though you feel gay as fuck when you're there

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I'll follow up on this. I've watched a bit of improv, looks pretty fun. Would help me professionally as well.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, its old, but i loved mystery method for game

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

stop making a plan.

another way to do it would have been to turn to her, nearly cheek to cheek, carefully study the price board "huh... interesting... I think it says "hi, I am going to get some coffee next door. join me"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't want a coffee, I just wanted a phone number. But I take your point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sometimes, you got to get yourself a cup of coffee...

mmm... need more

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Regardless of his ability to engage based on looks and activity, Dane Cook is fucking terrible.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. That movie where he got a shovel in the face was my favorite movie

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So you're one of the nine people who have seen "Mr. Brooks." I'm sorry about that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Down votes? Whose dane cooks cuck?

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Muh internet points be sufferin'.

What do MRP?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My best approach? Shit on u/bluepillprofessor then tbp will Brigade and take you to the karma promised land

Most of the time, it works every time... Usually.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the "Sex Panther" of Reddit Karma. Gotcha. I'll just wait for a "All Women are Harridans" quarterly rant, and the shitting will be genuine.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try that shit with a 20 something who is an 8 or 9 and see how bored you get. You are bored in the same way a 6 year old gets bored with a toy they had when they were 3, it is too easy for them. I have been following your posts and comments and you seem like an honest and humble guy and I enjoy reading your stuff. The comments below which are critical but helpful are pretty accurate. Read them and absorb.

I want you to step it up now. Next time you see an 8 or 9 (WITHOUT a wedding ring, you are using this as a buffer) who makes you feel funny in the stomach just looking at her, approach and start a conversation. Be outcome independent, you are not after her number, you are not trying to pick her up. You just want to practice your social skills, that's it. Please make this your next field report. Oh and if you get her number then you will text her. I don't care if you have to buy a new prepaid phone to do it with, you will text the hotty. No more predestination. No more "I will catch and release", let it play out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You like pizza? Most everyone likes pizza. When we sit down to dinner one night, having pizza, I cut some up and put it on my daughter's plate. She says "ew i don't like that". I say "you've never tried it how do you know? You gotta try it before you convince me you don't like it."

So she takes a small piece, lifts it up to her face with this disgusted look, and touches it to her lips real fast. Looks at me, and says "I don't like it". I laugh and tell her she has to put it in her mouth so she can taste it. She sticks out her tongue, touches the smallest piece of crust to her tongue, and says "I don't like pizza, I never want it again."

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

you lost me

[–]mindless_shift14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You just touched the crust with the tip of tour tongue, and here you are saying you don't like it

[–]Nergaal14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

^ this guy fucks

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

well, in this case, the pizza came out of a box, from a sketchy grocery store. I touched it but really, I knew it wasn't anything before hand and now understand the grocer has dozens in the freezer. I want some good pizza or no pizza at all

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The upside of C&R is reaching its end at the moment, I’m not going to bother doing it for a while.

Your reply and this statement are at direct odds w each other. There's a reason opposing thoughts can enter your mind in short succession...and it usually involves a hamster.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't well written. I realized that C&R'ing every woman that shows a marginal degree of interest (and now that I'm paying attention, realize are plentiful) is what's boring.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most women people are boring. I agree.

Now think of it this way if, it's on you to figure out what makes a woman interesting. This is a good skillset to have period.

Or don't. Not a big loss either way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's a good point. beyond great tits and nice ass, it's hard for me to figure that one out. appreciate the homework assignment.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

you're easily bored. suggest you talk to your hamster about this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

so I posted this morning but continued to think and /u/ecrasez posted a question:

What would you have done if she was a 9?

And that's what I needed. I was bored because this woman was nothing special, nothing interesting and very, very easy to get attention from. It would be like getting excited about a snickers bar vs. a perfectly grilled steak.

Bored easily? I guess. But a better way to think of it is I'm now starting to understand that pursuing a phone number from a 6, with no intention of ever calling her, is a boring pursuit.

make sense?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every guys wants to play the world series. Few guys willing to practice in the bush leagues to get there

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or, to step this activity up, engage in the conversation with the goal of her asking you for your number. Better yet, become attractive enough to where women open verbally to you in reaction to your look in her direction.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point. I can use her response to my look to gauge my progress. thanks.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Uh... I think what he meant was: if you can't catch the desperately bored HB6 who wants to play, what chance do you have with an HB9?

Personally I find your "she was only a HB6" hilarious. You noticed her in the car before she got out and kept an eye on her and engaged her. You were attracted. You failed to get her number. Learn from failure rather than discard it.

This story seems pretty similar to all those IM screenshots you can find showing "nice guys" who start hurling insults after they are rejected.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'll think about that for a while. I don't think I mentally disengaged because I was failing. I was pretty sure I had this fish in the boat if I wanted, I just realized, I didn't want this fish.

The initial attraction was also really interesting, to me. I was totally attracted to her. Well, I thought I was. This was the awakening as I think back over the past 10 years and realize I was attracted to anyone who might smile at me.

This story seems pretty similar to all those IM screenshots you can find showing "nice guys" who start hurling insults after they are rejected.

I don't know these screen shots so I can't comment. I didn't feel insulted (I wasn't rejected) and she didn't get insulted. Are you sure you meant this for this thread?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

-40% without makeup, never forget.

All women are 4-6

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And this is why we think girls date down... they really don't.

they just use makeup

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably the only huffpo article the manosphere cares about

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my wife is a makeup artist whenever she feels like it.

She can make anyone look like anything. I see it often.

If I see significant makeup I just assume at least bad skin

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I always thought this too. Very true.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you were attracted why does it matter if she was HB6 or HB9? You could have told the entire story without saying how attractive or unattractive she was. So... why these details? The answer is ego. C&R isn't about actually fucking, remember? What I'm focusing on is this:

And then I realized what was happening, this was her fucking. This was as good as she would let it get, wanting a little banter in the wine store.

These are your words describing your action. What does it mean? Your perception became that she didn't want to fuck you--and that's when she became unattractive. As others are saying, her behavior doesn't match your perception that she didn't want to fuck you.

The pattern I'm referring to is transferring a perceived rejection into an ego defense that rewrites the narrative to say that you were not attracted to her in the first place. I'm not saying you lashed out like those others. I'm saying the patterns of that defense mechanism are present in your story.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

your ego observation is on point. I'm focusing on keeping my ego from factoring into things, it's a progression and I'm slowly moving forward there.

While I know there's nothing special about most women, HB9s tend to have much better game, they defend well and they're used to guys trying to get close. An HB6, that's just not all that much of a challenge. So then I asked myself, what's the point here. Getting a number from an HB9 is more of a trophy than an HB6. At least that's how I see it.

I engaged at the dry cleaner, made an impression and then she followed me into the wine store, found me and re-engaged. Not really rejection state.

My initial post is inconsistent and I think that's because my mindset was when I wrote it. The feedback here, the PM questions, they're helping me understand what happened, what I did well, what needs work. That's why I post this stuff.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Besides, I find all women are 4-6. The only difference is a guys fetish, his thirst, and makeup/fame which inflate the number.

Then supermodels, but there aren't a lot of em

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

make sense?

no it does not; but most of the other comments have already fleshed out why

focus on enjoying the moment, the game, and most importantly the woman (you might learn something from her!). don't focus on the number close. it will come quite naturally if you just let go of your expectations.

i fish a lot. i never get bored when I am catching fish, no matter the size or species. i enjoy reeling them in, always anticipating what is beneath the water. sometimes I go to the little creek below my house just to reel in chubs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

sometimes I go to the little creek below my house just to reel in chubs.

the best line I've read online all day. nice

[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

sometimes I go to the littel creek below my house just to real in chubs

What do you do when you foul hook one of those little chubs though?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Grab the end without hook with one hand using a strong grip, grab the top of the terminal tackle with the other hand and depending on how cooperative the chub is either back the hook out or just rip the fucker in half.

Few years ago I ran a treble-hook through my thumb unhooking a rainbow , and in front of my mom and a few other women used a set of dikes/pliers to cut the hook apart and push the barbs though. The women were amused and my mom smiled/laughed at me. Said she enjoyed it , and it was payback for all the pain I have caused her. Bitch

[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was more referring to it metaphorically. Lol.

Old women love to see a tough younger man. Old women love me. Lol. I think it's because they have watched so many men age and know how that unfolds.

The time my old man got a hook in his hand when we were 10 miles back in the bush was wild. He couldn't push it the rest of the through cause the tip was touching the bone. He also couldn't leave it cause we had to bike out. He fuckin just pulled it out using a knot on a tree. Thats some hard ass shit.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Metaphorically, you just cut the line ... it's not like she will wrestle you to the ground

I think it's because they have watched so many men age and know how that unfolds.

had not thought about that, could be true. more likely just DRAMA . . . sweat was pouring down my face as I pushed the hook through. the look on their face was priceless

that is some seriously hard ass shit your dad did

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have an uncle who is a fish hook magnet. Buried one in his tongue when he was a kid. I fly fish and usually mash the barbs down. Has saved me many trips to the emergency room or civil war style surgery hook removals. If you keep tension on the line correctly you don't need the barb

[–]jrocco741 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Success: "an absolute thrill"

Failure: "quickly became boring"

Everyone knows success is thrilling and failure is boring. You are asking married women for their phone numbers. There will be many failures. Your hamster is trying to talk you out of putting in effort because sometimes you will fail. You are hiding behind "boring" to avoid effort.

You want to be a confident man who can talk to any women, keep up the C&R.

You want to be a pussy/faggot, give up after one failure.

Just how fragile is your ego?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Faberge egg fragile

[–]jrocco741 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

That sounds honest not sarcastic. So I will tell you, I found your first C&R field report inspiring. I flirt with more women simply because of that report.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it's totally honest. I was it was bullet proof and as I improve, it will be. But today, a good strong wind could crack it. I try to make that clear, C&R terrifies me.

[–]jrocco741 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Is a strong ego a goal of yours?

What is the goal?

How will you achieve it?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a philosopher and don't 100% understand ego but to me, I'd like it to never get in my way. If that means its strong, than yeah.

The goal is to be happy in every aspect of my life.

[–]voomer531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've got to believe it's always on, married or no, because it is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doggerel man, doggerel.

[–]ecrasez points points [recovered] | Copy Link

What would you have done if she was a 9?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's a good question. I'm pretty sure I would have stayed engaged, I think. The more I think about it this morning, the more I realize that this woman wasn't anything special and therefore, not really enough to keep me interested.

A year ago, attention from a solid 2/10 would have made me blush. So that's my takeaway. It's pretty easy to get attention from a 6. So don't waste time doing it.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you happy with your game? I'm not. I've taken the fifty approaches challenge, which is in the Bluepillprofessor book. I'm tracking to make sure I'm not over-counting how often I'm doing it.

I already have a plate, so texting a woman I'm not married to doesn't seem like such a big deal. You find some common interest, which should not be very damn hard. "Oh, what a coincidence, you eat food too!?". And then you pick a time and a place to meet again. I got invited to yoga on Friday by the lady I was chatting with this morning. I can't do this Friday, but in two Fridays it's game-on.

[–]openwheelr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing how STFU works. Not just the shutting up part but also fully removing yourself from the situation. I used it at home recently after making an approach for sex (at 4 PM when we had some downtime before hosting some friends). Wife shot me down, I just said 'OK I'm going to go workout' and went to get changed fully expecting that the exchange was over. She followed me upstairs like I had her on a leash. To my surprise.

I'm inspired by your post. Had an opportunity to try C&R last week at the grocery store but was in too much of a hurry to fully engage that time beyond a little banter. Baby steps.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's great dude!!! -good job

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the next major step I need to take with my own MAP. Thanks for the FR.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s like a oneitis vaccine

Great sentence.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP Approved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you start mapping, this starts to happen - I started getting more interest on my approach. For me, confidence is key. - strong eye contact, good posture, strong voice - then, it doesn't really even matter much what comes out of your mouth. Now, I routinely have women trying to game me . It's due to my new abundance mentality - see, I don't really care if they are interested or not - just throw out a line and see if the fish bites.

I was retuning a rental car the other day, and the chick was almost begging for me to stay in touch somehow. All I did was come in with strong frame, solid eye contact, and try to amuse myself. As soon as you are amusing yourself instead of trying to game or amuse them, you are on your way. Long story short, I didn't find the rental chick that attractive, but I did notice a ring on her left hand. Hypergamy in action, but no thanks.

Good FR on yOur approach - that takes balls. Now do it 50 more times. Talk to everyone, even older ladies. I had a 60 yr old lady blushing at the theater the other weekend just for fun. My wife was there, and she said " that lady was cute. ". Point is, get used to talking to everyone, and it becomes natural and fun.

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