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A ubiquitous paradigm of TRP is alpha fucks / beta bux as shorthand for female dual mating strategy: alpha generates the tingles and gets the quality fuck while beta provides the resources in return for little more than low/no-sex companionship. It is one thing to read about these concepts in theory, another thing to consider a wife being entertained by Chad out of sight of her husband; and truly amazing to watch it ALL unfold within a six foot space.

I went skiing after Christmas in Colorado. Skiing is a day game superrich environment. Plenty of lasses on the chair lifts, bars, and hot tubs with and without other men; but all in a very social frame of mind for a man with some game. I N-closed in all three venues with presumably single women. Nothing too special there beyond the Jamaican gal that was down to go “party” in my room right now on New Year’s Eve. I told her my wife was in the room; even though she was not (I wear my ring at all times now). This turned out to just be the warmup for the real fun on the flight back home.

I had secured pretty good Southwest Airlines seating order: B13. I saw her walk up during A-group boarding. She was 30/40s Korean woman (KW) with a smoking hot figure and shoulder length black hair. She was with a fatass dude that I am guessing was 10+ years older, although this is hard to estimate because being fat makes you look old. They were both wearing Clemson University swag. When I got on the plane I discovered my B13 board wasn’t worth a fuck as the plain was nearly full from folks that had remained on the plane Phoenix; and so my search began for either an aisle or window seat next to someone in the middle with narrow shoulders. There is KW in the middle seat with her husband on the aisle. I take the window seat. At the time, I had no intent besides sitting next to a pretty woman with small shoulders.

I open him with a discussion of Clemson’s victory (duh . . .). The three of us than discuss how full the plane was; and how the seats are too small for three grown men. She points out how she hates it when men sit next to her on the plane, and presume to take over the arm rest because she is small. I note that I chose the seat because she was small, and then proceed to spread out my shoulders and arms onto the arm rest. Her husband complained about how they had lost their emergency exit row seating by de-plane’ing in Denver. She tried to calm him down in the tone that a mother talks to a child, and he just kept whining. Through the three hour flight he would complain about a few more things, and each time she would attempt to soothe her man-child. Other than that, he mostly finger fucked his phone.

At first KW and I talked about Phoenix, the book she was reading, our kids, etc. She was playing with her hair, making strong eye contact, and touching my forearm at times to make her point. Occasionally, I would let the conversation die off and stare out the window. I could see from the corner of my eye that she was often staring at me; and given a few minutes of silence would restart the conversation. About 30 minutes into the flight she started ignoring me and talking to her husband, eventually rubbing the back of his head/neck until he fell asleep. She then went to sleep; and I read a book.

She was woken by drink service while her husband continued to sleep. She was pretty much on fire after she woke back up. We started talking about skiing and travel. She was a novice skier and every time she would mention her skiing style she would shift her arms forward and wiggle around in her seat rubbing her side and tit against my arm . . . lol. She told me how her husband bought her a condo in Aspen; and she had a wedding ring that looked like it cost a lot more than my truck (i.e. the BB was strong with this one). Her husband awoke after a while and complained how he missed snack service (she gave him her snacks of course). At this point, and often through the remaining flight she would cross her arms so that her left hand was under her right arm so that she could secretly rub her finger tips across my bicep. Now I am thinking: “how can I subtlety escalate?” I get out my phone, go to the note pad and type in my phone number and a bunch of emoji’s related to our conversation and then put the phone away. She tells me how she lost her phone at the big game in Phoenix; but it was found. Hubby hears this and dutifully looks up the UPS tracking status.

Hubby gets up to go to the bathroom. As I start thinking about my N-close line, she blurts out “do you have a business card”. Me – “no; but I would love to call you sometime enter your phone number” and hand her my phone. She enters her phone number, goes to my note pad and copies my phone number on piece of paper. Her – “I would love to get you out to Aspen, we would have so much fun”. Hubby comes back from bathroom. KW and I talked the remainder of the flight. The sickest exchange was after I told her about the plusses of taking private ski lessons, at $900 per day, she was cajoling hubby into paying for some private lessons while simultaneously stroking my bicep with her finger tips. This was so amazing to watch. There was absolutely no malice or hint of impropriety in her demeanor towards her husband. You will never know gentlemen. The three of us talked on the way off the plane like nobody had a care in the world.

I had a text from her last night letting me know that her phone had arrived.

Summary: if you’re a fatass man-child with an attractive wife; you might as well tape a sign on your back that says “CUCK ME”.


[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Great FR. Reminds me of a dinner I had a couple months ago. I was with two guys, both wildly successful beyond anything I could imagine. Their cars cost more than my mortgage. Great guys, but haven't been inside a gym since high school. They were complaining that it cost so much money to get a girl to sleep with them (dinner, entertainment, etc.). I said that banging a chick is easy and shouldn't cost anything. Their response: "Not when you look like us!"

[–]DonaldBaelish2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well , at least they know part of the problem.

Nothing screams betabux than going on a first date where you pick the girl with your luxury car , take her to a luxurious restaruant , order the most expensive dish and pay for it all. Not more than a few hours have passed and you have already invested too much. You sit there drinking moet with her asking yourself why has nothing happened?

[–]All_Ads_Deceive2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And we're taught that the biggest bosses do this shit. Being rich and living a luxurious life with a beautiful woman. Truth is, she doesn't put out as quickly, she doesn't give you the wild sex, then she cucks you once you buy her hand in marriage.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I work in a STEM field that attracts a lot of gold diggers. I've noticed if a woman knows my profession, she instantly reacts like I'm beta bucks, and I have to reestablish that I'm alpha fucks. Sometimes it's impossible to break away from the BB idea in her head. I had a friend at work talking about women and how I (meaning me as my profession is more distinguished than his) can just say "yeah I do XYZ for a living" and women should fall in my lap. I say "naw man fuck that, if I want to get laid I lie and say I'm a firefighter, otherwise they're just going to think of me as a potential future provider and not want to look like a slut". It's like I saw a light bulb go off in his eyes. I think I struck a chord and gave him some insight into why women treat him the way they do, and how sometimes a successful well paying career can actually keep you out of her panties.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a guy posted on here some months or a year ago. Neurologist. Had a bitch of a time getting a SNL, they always wanted to "take it slow", i.e., you're too good a provider so I can't show you my slutty side. His buddy, also an MD, same problem, started telling women he was a bouncer. Neurologist tells them he's a bartender. ...

And the SNLs begin.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Looks can do it, or they might not matter much at all. Think about the 300 lb club owner, the fat CEO, the ugly, ugly bad ass motherfucker.

Behavioral cues trump genetic cues.

Frame and Game rule all.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Further, OP won because he didn't fuck it up. He didn't do much gaming at all. His appearance got the interaction going, and he didn't do anything to derail it. Most of the time, this is all it takes.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

he didn't do anything to derail it.

yep, right here

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Great job at giving her validation on the flight ;). I love it when a man is obviously flirting with me. It's like getting likes on a social media photo.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Flair fits. You always give a huge smile, and laugh. Yes, we both got a major dopamine rush that night.

I love it when a high quality man is obviously flirting with me.

ftfy, otherwise you're being harassed by a creep. In other news, water is wet.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good edit. Ugly trolls don't give validation tingles :D.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What about ugly, highly confident, dominant, charismatic trolls?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like getting likes on a social media photo.

Lol, thank you for the smile, ma'am.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just a thought.... How many of the posters on MRP, were, or are, "that guy"? I think I was.

No need to reply guys, rhetorical question only. Edit: Wish I had left that off!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No need to reply

Oh... (backspace backspace backspace)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

:)

[–]kenpachitz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

closes tab

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Awesome story. Posts like these help guys working on dread levels 6-7 just as much as the plethora of AA AM replies helps guys pass shittests. Wish we saw them more.

[–]sh0ckley4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am that guy and this post was timely and brilliant.

I'm at 30,000 feet right now headed home and N-closed on the way out. Target was single though and situation was therefore not nearly as epic as this FR.

Delivered my line whilst retrieving baggage from carousel. The part that should not have surprised me was how the target didn't give a shit that I was obviously married.

Even when theory and practice match perfectly - they're not the same. Knowing and seeing are two different things.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Was this a continuation of a conversation on the plane?

[–]sh0ckley1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. IOIs pre boarding, then chatted her up across the aisle.

[–]HobbesTheBrave3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Through the three hour flight he would complain about a few more things, and each time she would attempt to soothe her man-child.

The sickest exchange was after I told her about the plusses of taking private ski lessons, at $900 per day, she was cajoling hubby into paying for some private lessons while simultaneously stroking my bicep with her finger tips. This was so amazing to watch. There was absolutely no malice or hint of impropriety in her demeanor towards her husband.

Mothers do not cheat on their children, nor do masters cheat on their slaves. Just as men do not cheat on their dogs. Children, slaves and dogs obey. Because they're dependent on their leaders.

Wives and girlfriends, on the other hand, they are cheaters.

[–]Aaren_Augustine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Highly recommend the Prospectors Condos in Aspen. Nice place. You get a private sauna and hot tub on your balcony.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Great write up, very entertaining.

I have a theoretical question, perhaps somebody can give some input:

Let's say you are in the same situation, sitting at the window seat next to hot Korean lady, husband in the aisle seat. But this time, husband isn't fat beta bux, he's handsome, red pill alpha dude (Whatever that means, but you know what I'm getting at).

In this situation, how do you talk to him? How do you talk to his wife? What would you expect the outcome would be? Would he latch on instantly and shut you down? Could you still get a number close if he goes to the bathroom?

I ask because I see many posts similar to this, (which I genuinely enjoy reading, thank you), but not very often do I see a similar scenario played out where the husband is actually of high value. Perhaps his mentality would be to not give a shit, if he sees her flirting she knows she'll be single when the plane lands so she doesn't try it?

Cheers.

[–]2gunsgetsomeMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In this situation, how do you talk to him?

Like a man, about man stuff. Open him the same way, and if he's interested in conversation, you'll both participate. If he's not a complaining, phone scrolling man-child, and you're enjoying the conversation, keep it going. If he opts out, continue as OP did. If you want to.

How do you talk to his wife?

Cordially, but if you've engaged the dude, who cares. Sure, you can pull her into the conversation, but more than likely she'll feel an attention vacuum because both men are talking to each other not her and find a way to insert herself.

What would you expect the outcome would be?

Maybe you make a new contact or potential bro. Maybe you have a prospect for another couple to hang out with later who behaves with a RP dynamic. At the very least, you'll have had a stimulating interaction with another human (or two) and kept your eyes off your phone for a couple hours.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

she'll feel an attention vacuum because both men are talking to each other not her and find a way to insert herself.

yep, this happens every time. funny how the corollary is not true. my wife is talking girl shit with other women . . . ugh no thanks

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you both for the replies, good stuff. Makes perfect sense.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In this situation, how do you talk to him? How do you talk to his wife?

I would not have done anything different; and presumably she would not have escalated physically as she did if was married to a "red pill alpha dude". I opened to the man as almost always do when talking to a couple or group of people. Our conversation was completely above board until her husband left.

Would he latch on instantly and shut you down?

I have had men talk to and be very interested in talking to my wife; and my wife be interested in talking to the man. Mostly because the man was interesting. I talked to the guy too and gave/give zero fucks. If she really wants to walk out the door, I will open it for her; but there is a no return policy in effect.

Could you still get a number close if he goes to the bathroom?

Depends on the woman mostly; but I doubt it. A high value woman with a high value man has her hypergamy satisfied and does not want to risk losing her man even if she is interested in you. For each of the numbers I closed on this trip, there were several very pleasant conversations with women that dropped the fact that "their high value husband" does/say/is x, y, z in a tone that clearly communicates "i enjoy talking to you; but i am not available".

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very often, all she wants is just something different.

[–]All_Ads_Deceive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If this guy was jacked and acted like a badass, would you even consider trying to fuck his wife? Would she dare hit on you in front of him? This is why self improvement is essential. When people respect you, these scenarios don't even happen.

I used to think, wow women are fucked, I can't believe she doesn't truly love him. But he deserves what he gets. His problems are completely fixable and he has himself to blame.

When my ex was friendly with guys in social circles, they would always glance at me like "are you cool with this? I'm not trying to fuck her" When randoms bought her drinks they'd apologize after finding out I was her boyfriend. Nothing turns your girl on like seeing other men submit in fear or respect for you

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If this guy was jacked and acted like a badass, would you even consider trying to fuck his wife?

I don't normally try to fuck other men's (even the beta's) wives; but if she is going to throw it out there . . . sure.

Your point is worth an observation though. I talk to anybody that puts out any vibe like they want to be talked to; and probably some that don't. The few times I have gotten a very aggressive reaction from the dude, he was

jacked and acted like a badass

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

maybe she just needs to get permission from her husband like the other

CUCK LIFE

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Certainly possible and something I thought about. However, there was never any innuendo from him or her when he was present that she was a "hot wife".

She was clearly being sly. He was either clueless or gave ZERO fucks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. Nicely deconstructed and entertaining too.

Good point of how clueless men can be. Someday, that guy will place ads: "Hot-Wife Needs Dick".

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great FR. Airports are strange places. People are just that teensy bit out of their comfort zones.

I had a similar story but not worth a full FR that illustrates the exact same behaviour.

I was at the airport, walking along the sidewalk to enter the terminal. Up pulls the biggest Merc SUV you can buy. The driver is a dude in his 50's, big belly, shitty hair and just a general sorry state. To cap it he had an unbuttoned double breasted blazer the size of a stage curtain hanging from him. Sad.

His wive, presumeably, jumps out of the passenger seat. 40's babe. Smoking hot. Body, face and hair perfect. She helps him with all his baggage onto the sidewalk. As I approach, she seems to become just a little self concious. I can hear his whineing from a distance.

I walk past rehashing the whole Beta bux concept in my mind, because this is living prove.

As I enter the building I look over my shoulder, he is trying to plant a kiss, she turns her face offering her cheek and she is staring at me. She was ashamed of this beta bux and she knew that I knew.

Lesson, button up a double breasted blazer and at all times be able to see your dick without a mirror.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Personally, the biggest sign to me that a married woman is potentially DTF is when she has a wealthy husband at least ten years older than her.

Its always been a green light to blow her doors off with exaggaerated self confidence and it works like catnip cause all that woman wants and needs is drama and tingles

Both of those cost zero and she will pay you back by doing things she hasnt done to her husband in many many years

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd really like to see how well that works on Melania. I mean, come on! Somebody's got to have tried that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Solid point. It's a sign, not a rule

[–]FruitSalad10100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing to see here as if you are the first person to flirt with his wife. If anything you were used put up a FR when you're in a hotel room together. Good example of the paradigm though.

If you're going out with/married to a high value woman be prepared for guys to flirt with her just be sure to set a clear boundary.

[–]speak_ur_mind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She is so getting validation from you, it is hilarious. Keep boosting her ego brah.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She will be getting a lot more than validation from me in a few weeks, not sure what your point is?

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is enough for me to keep going, to make sure if my arms aren't worth a hot SK girl stroking they sure as hell better be on the horizon.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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