Lesbian Red Pill (FR)

sexyshoulderdevil · 2016-10-18T04:32:02+00:00

Personally, I would like you to stick around and give field reports to hear a woman's point of view while implementing the masculine imperative of the red pill praxeology. In theory, you accepting and implementing these methods successfully on your girlfriend should have a snake-eating-itself effect. Unlike a man, you will be innately aware that the these techniques COULD also be used on you with a similar effect. Maybe...you are of course gay so there are some differences.

In short, feed me more... I'm curious.

plein_old · 2016-10-18T03:03:48+00:00

Lesbian bed death... Every single lesbian I have ever met... Each one is waiting for the other to take charge

Fascinating.

I don't know what to tell you. At least not within the bounds of what you are saying. Good luck!

bogeyd6 · 2016-10-17T23:23:02+00:00

You know. I was doubtful on your first post. This is a little outside my zone of expertise but I can offer this. In any relationship there is a feminine and a masculine and assigning whatever to whatever you want. One way or the other, any group of humans requires a leader or initiator to use your terminology. A homosexual relationship doesn't lack those requirements, as much as the sjw's would hate to admit. Someone steps up or you both step off.

My advice is to take the route of the masculine and keep on going like you are, adjusting as you see fit for your dynamic. If you see yourself as the "man" then all these things are going to fall into place as long as you act one in your unique situation.

vagina_rollercoaster · 2016-10-18T13:51:13+00:00

First off, just let me say that "Lesbian Bed Death" would be a great name for a metal band.

A couple things come to mind. First, I'd echo what /u/RPSigmaStigma mentioned about reading "Way of the Superior Man". It explains the masculine-feminine energy concept that u/bogeyd6 also touched on in a very thorough way.

I'm not entirely surprised that NMMNG resonated with you. Not just because you're the more masculine energy in the relationship, but because it's a lot of basic psychology applicable to partners of any sex. It just happens that a lot of the patterns involved are ten times easier for men to fall into that for the hetero woman to fall into. But the underlying mechanics are pretty universally applicable. As a side note, if you find the psychological patterns people fall into interesting, you should check out the book "Games People Play" by Eric Berne. Really interesting.

What interests me more is the description of LBD and your take on it as being a standoff of two mutually timid and powerless feeling people. This is pretty significantly different than the standard MF dynamic, as I know you realize, and it's interesting to see how the MRP approach affects this problem. I can't really envision a mutual standoff like that (except as a psych exercise) and it would seem to me that all one person has to do is break the ice and boom, problem solved. Or maybe keep breaking the ice. But you don't describe the problem as trying to break the ice and getting shot down, hard, repeatedly, until you are nothing more than a bitter shell of resentment and anger, so it seems like a much more tractable problem to solve. Not so much a power struggle, as much as a a mutual lack of taking that power. (Maybe a power vacuum struggle?)

My take on your success so far applying the MRP is that you're fixing as many underlying issues as you can that have a tendency to make you unattractive and annoying. The indecisiveness, the inability to express your own needs and wants, the removal of guilt and passive aggressiveness as a manipulation tool, and so on and so forth. Plus amping up your fun, sexy, flirtatious side. Fixing those "character flaws" would seem to have a pretty universal applicability, not just to us hetero men.

So in a lot of ways, based on your description, I see your personal transformation (for want of a better term) and LBD as less tightly interwoven as the dead bed and the destructive personality patterns are in a M-F relationship. Which is neither a good thing or a bad thing, just an observation.

I'm glad to hear you're making progress in your relationship. I didn't hear you mention the ten-second kiss; that seems like even a simple step like that would help break the LBD icejam.

The one thing I'd caution you on is the fact that this is now a long distance relationship. Even though it's a stereotypical movie trope that "it's just something to power through but we made it at the end", it adds a lot of changes to the dynamic. You can't be flirty and sexual in person anymore for an extended period of time, there's lots of opportunity for dark reflection (damn... stuck here without her, is this really worth it) and so on. And conversely, don't take the frantic high-volume every-other-weekend catch-up sex as an indication that everything is solid. Don't underestimate the effects that long distance and absence can have. This isn't a specifically redpill idea, it's just that RP'ers tend to have a more cynical (realistic?!?) view of the effects of letting a realtionship "coast along" at arms length versus active involvement.

Best of luck and I'm looking forward to more about how things go as you follow the new path. Keep us in the loop.

vagina_rollercoaster · 2016-10-17T23:53:35+00:00

Fascinating. I'll try to tamp down the adolescent inside me that's dying to get out and try to offer something useful.

How long is "awhile" and is the long distance aspect to your current situation your prime motivator here?

jeezydasnowman · 2016-10-18T00:26:06+00:00

In marraige it doesn't matter who initiates once you implement dread game. Here is how you permanently keep her wet for you:

Be in shape, as a fitness chick you are good here.
Pass shit tests.
Get out of the house for your social circle.
Get out of the house for your co-ed hobbies.
Dress better.
Openly flirt with your partner, use pickup artistry tactics to get her to put out.
Begin flirting with other women. Gauge your smv by how they react. Practice pickup artistry tactics on thots without escalating.
Openly flirt with other women with your partner present.
Imply you have options.
Overtly tell her you have options.
Tell her you want a divorce/open relationship.
Divorce or open relationship.

Persaeus · 2016-10-18T00:08:36+00:00

Sex is somewhat inconsistent. When we're having it, it's 8-10 times a week. When we're not, we might go an entire half a month without a passionate physical moment.

Does her interest correlate with her cycle? Are you tracking her cycle?

RPSigmaStigma · 2016-10-18T12:44:36+00:00

After reading NMMNG, check out Way of the Superior Man. It's a great book about masculinity in general, and it's written specifically in a way that can be applied by women. He even very clearly says in the intro that his book can apply in non-hetero relationships, and says he wish he could have titled the book "Way of the Superior Masculine Energy" but his publisher said it would be too wordy. :P

It's one of my favorite TRP-related books and I think it can really apply in your situation.

LaV-Man · 2016-10-18T13:05:03+00:00

If I was you I'd change my name to "DoubleAgent", LOL.

2016-10-18T13:37:28+00:00

Awesome. Thanks for contributing.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-10-18T14:01:04+00:00

Very interesting data point. Thanks for your contribution.

FrameWalker · 2016-10-18T14:32:18+00:00

The most commonly missed point is restructuring your priorities.

Women should be around 30 percent of your mental energy and time at most. Focus on your mission.

2016-10-18T15:21:50+00:00

As someone that offered you advice before, honestly, 99% of the advice here is being pulled out of people's asses. We do not know how to coach a female to implement RP to another female. None of us are qualified to answer this post beyond speculation. Keep that in mind.

Auvergnat · 2016-10-18T18:27:48+00:00

I don't think you'll be able to apply 100% red pill theory to your situation as the theory is built around man/woman relationships, a lot of which is deriving from evo psych.

For example, you could assume the role of the Man and behave as we say Men should behave in order to get the desired response from a Woman. But then, if your Woman was to behave like we say women behave, she'd be attracted to men, not you.

A lot of red pill theory will surely apply. On top of my head, everything that relate to Power dynamics, for example the cardinal rule of relationships. But you're going to have to adapt a lot of other things. On top of my head, all typical alpha male traits that we encourage men to learn and display (assertiveness, outcome independence, leading, risk-taking, etc.) are made to attract women that are typically attracted to men. If your partner was a typical woman attracted to alpha traits, she'd be into men. Since she's not, who knows if she'll be attracted to those traits, and not repulsed by them as they are typically masculine.

Know what I mean?

vagina_rollercoaster · 2016-10-18T00:39:21+00:00

I don't really get you, as your vocabulary is confusing. You say you are femme, but posting in butch MRP instead of feminine (Redpill wives). You say if your butch you would man up but also say you're the dominant one. Your usage of femme is that in appearance and demeanor or just appearance? It would help me understand you if I had a clear understanding of what butch, femme, dominant, mean to you.

As I see it now, your just like a straight wife that doesn't get enough dominance/leadership from the SO, so you are filling in the vacuum by topping from the bottom, which is at least better than just going harpy-B like some might if not in his frame.

RPAlternate42 · 2016-10-18T07:15:59+00:00

but I've never heard of this exchange happening in a heterosexual relationship long-term.

It happens, but it happens inn the blue pill way: he brings up the lack of sex, she makes excuses as to why (tired, so much to do, maybe if he choreplayed) he consents to "helping" more. Nothing changes. He brings it up again and she attempts to shame him for making the marriage all about sex and that he should love her no matter what. He agrees in word, but knows this is fucked up. His bringing it up turns to whining and she gets turned off. He either cheats or she does. The Red Pill way is for him to adopt OI, improve, create passive dread, and if he's good, expand his abundance mentality.

When we're having it, it's 8-10 times a week

Gentleman, here's a little anecdotal proof that women have a higher sex drive then men and proof that it's far higher than they let on, most of the time.

Dread game may have to be adjusted. I'm thinking the emotional might be more effective than the physical.

You misunderstand: dread is all emotional.

Understand that when men use dread, we are tapping into the emotional side of the woman. Our actions create a world inside of her that makes her think that we are moments from possibly having sex with other women... without us even doing anything except dressing better and smelling better, etc. It gets dicier in the higher levels, but at that point she's just a cold bitch anyways. Simmering at level 6 is usually enough to get a change in behavior.

mildly withdrawing affection might make a bigger impact than starting to lift.

Lifting isn't dread so much as it is actively improving ourselves... the dread is passive here. Withdrawing affection is the A1 rule when your woman gets ornery.

I am wondering if shit/comfort tests will change, based on the different gender dynamic.

I don't think so: Think about how girls act in high school towards each other. Women shit test in relationships, all relationships. Men do it to, but we call it busting our balls... and the subtext is playful. When women do it, the subtext is to create a hierarchy of power. When she shit tests you, it's her way of figuring out if you are, in fact, her leader. Men do it to women, too, but we call that teasing.

There is something that is sort of paramount in TRP that I don't think has been touched on because we were all so enamored with the idea of Lesbian Red Pill or solving a new and decidedly interesting problem.

In TRP, we have a saying: Women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of commitment. I don't know how that will fit into a lesbian dynamic because sex between a man and woman is different than sex between a woman and a woman. I don't know how, but I know it is.

You did touch on it, above with "withholding affection" but know that if she decides she doesn't like this new dynamic you are creating and wants to withhold sex, you need to be the one that withholds the commitment and affection. She may also withhold affection (emotional v. physical call-back here) and you need to decide if you will simply ignore this. In a M-F relationship, when the woman gives the silent treatment (withholds affection) the man simply decides that his time is better spent elsewhere than with an unpleasant woman.

Everyone in here, at least everyone with a meaningful flair, lives their marriage as a practice for being single because we know that the marriage could end at any moment. This is part of being able to walk away from the relationship without looking back. The person with the most power cares the least.

Think about these things, because the RP stuff you've been discussing is more surface; it's the parts that are forward facing. The real nuts and bolts, the dark stuff underneath; the stuff that drives the idea of RP is the parts that can be painful for men to accept... and I think more painful for women to accept. You are approaching RP from the man's perspective. There is an RP Women subreddit... but they have a different sort of strategy.

Hopefully this works for you.

Unlikely_Obsession · 2016-10-19T20:46:47+00:00

I read here a lot but have never posted before. I am a woman in an LTR with a man and I have been implementing the tactics from this forum and other rp sources in my personal life and relationship for about 2 yrs. I have to tailor them but they are working for me. After reading this thread I believe I may be experiencing lesbian bed death in my straight relationship. We are attracted to each other and do have regular sex, but seem to be locked into a mutual non-initiation stand-off many nights. I have an extremely high sex drive and think about sex constantly but often find myself simply paralyzed, unable to initiate no matter how badly I want to. It is interesting to hear that other women feel this way too. So maybe this phenomenon CAN happen in a heterosexual relationship. Feel free to ask me any questions you want. I will be watching this thread with interest.