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They were built for a time when the gods used to make the sun go away, time to let them go. --Me

This is an illustrative example.

One of the biggest peeves that bored college women and housewives have is the lack of Rigor in TRP. Show me the research paper where it says that I want to fuck alphas and marry betas? If this is the message you take from this, it's your own fault for being a retard.

Why Vs How

Why is what got us the Greek mythical gods, how is what got us the steam engine.
Why developed the idea of equal genders, how got us laid with PUA.
Why is the question of a 9 year old, how is the question of a man.

For some background, if you have 30 minutes, and remember back when they weren't progressive feelgood circlejerks, one of the better TED talks out there, David Deutch Talks about good explanations versus bad ones.

Before the Scientific Revolution, they believed that everything important, knowable, was already known, enshrined in ancient writings, institutions, and in some genuinely useful rules of thumb --which were, however, entrenched as dogmas, along with many falsehoods. So they believed that knowledge came from authorities that actually knew very little. And therefore progress depended on learning how to reject the authority of learned men, priests, traditions and rulers. Which is why the Scientific Revolution had to have a wider context.

I think TRP, and the manosphere in general, follows along the same thread as the scientific revolution. None of the enlightenment had replicability errors in their research papers, or research papers at all. They tried things, reported findings, and came up with explanations, simple. If it didn't work, you'd find out in the obituary the next day. The key part, is explanations that aren't able to be varied to fit the facts. The red pill is in it's infancy still, and broadly speaking, the manosphere has only been around since the dawn of the millennials, created by the GenX demographic. And there's a lot of why questions in there.

They are all garbage, all of them.

Women are AWALT because of all kinds of reasons.

  • Because shitty fathers
  • Because beta males validation
  • Because internetBecause tinder
  • Because no-fault divorce
  • Because globalism.

I mean, at the end of the day, does any of that really matter? Is it really anything more than mental masturbation? I don't see it as useful. Maybe there's some magic formula, some legislation that will make the world work for me, one wouldn't be the first egomaniac who thought they could change the world. Point is, TRP is never about changing the world, you can't control the world is the prevailing theme. It's guys swapping notes.

That's all. Guys swapping notes

This easy variability is the sign of a bad explanation, because, without a functional reason to prefer one of countless variants, advocating one of them, in preference to the others, is irrational. So, for the essence of what makes the difference to enable progress, seek good explanations, the ones that can't be easily varied, while still explaining the phenomena.

Again, this is why why is a shitty question. You'll maybe get it right, but there's too many variables, so you probably won't. AWALT because of X? Well, all it takes is one dude who brainwashed his daughter into thinking she's a man, some autistic girl with a boob job, and it all comes crumbling down. To what end? So that you can dismiss the obvious things happening around you? Fuck that. Guys weren't learning PUA to learn why they weren't getting laid. They did it to learn how to get laid. And you need to learn how to be a man, ask men who have done it, hear what worked, apply it for yourself.

Keep it simple, do what works, ditch what doesn't

I can't make it simpler, more actionable, and harder to bullshit yourself than this advice. If you have to think of a reason to explain why you're doing dumb shit, then you're bullshitting yourself. People aren't that hard to figure out, once you learn to put the ego away. Women want the toy on the top shelf, the toy that doesn't want them.

I could go on. The only thing in the way of you getting what you want, is you, and your bullshit expectations. This is simple, to the point where everyone laughs at it's core. What, you guys just lift and be confident? Don't go into a situation where you have at least a 50/50 shot at getting fucked? Dude, everyone knows that already, it's common sense! Except it isn't. Everyone is confident, and thinks they are in shape, just like everyone goes into a fight with a gameplan... Which works until you get punched in the face.

Stop it

Stop worrying about why, why they do what they do, why you should lift, and shut your stupid whore mouth when you want to cry. Stop thinking you need to have her on board with your every decision, and why you can't persuade her to suck your dick while you're telling her your plan for the house. Why, why, why, are you a faggot?

Stop thinking in why start thinking in how.

  • How do you get valuable people to adore you? Be valuable.
  • How do you get valuable? Be the guy women want to fuck.
  • How do you get your dick wet? Be attractive, don't be unattractive.
  • How do you be attractive? Dress well, lift, eat clean, lay off the vices
  • How do you be not unattractive? Don't cry like a bitch, be irrationally confident, internalize you're the prize, own your fucking adult life.

I guarantee, if you start building muscle, losing fat, and stop acting like a child/woman, 80% of your work is already done. I never figured out why this stuff works, it's outside the scope of the plan.

Your plan is to be valuable, for it's own sake, why is the question of the lazy, because why gives you a bullshit reason to doubt things, instead of seeing them for yourself. Why is the question you ask people more valuable than you, to give you any reason to dismiss what they say, if they even bother to answer you. Most truly valuable people won't waste their time on some child asking why they need to eat their vegetables, they are too busy to waste time spinning their wheels.

So stop asking why, start asking how


[–]mrp_18447 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think why is the most important question.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

the most important question is "how" to change things. you know the reason for how... "why? - because you want change"

[–]mrp_18447 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you don't know why, the how is harder.

The truck does not start. If you don't know basic mechanics, the how is much harder and more expensive.

The why, lets you correcly identify the the problem.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lets reframe that,

Truck won't start.

its an issue because either ( or combination of) - you need to go somewhere, or you need to start the truck .

if you just need to go somewhere, you can try to get another means of transport.

If you need that truck to start, you can definitely get into some basic fixes before you ever get into reading about the why.

The how, is a good way to get you moving in the right direction, while you ponder the why as you are actually moving, and can sense what moving feels like.

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[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think why is the most important question.

'Why' is fine as long as you don't become quagmired by it and can quickly move on to the 'how'.

Most people will chose to be distracted by the 'why' so they don't actually have to do anything. Endless analyzing because the 'doing' part may lead to failure and we all know how scary that is.

[–]MelodyMyst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called Rumination.

[–]fuckmrpMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just to play devils advocate...

What about the internal directed why? As in:

  • Why does this bother me?
  • Why am I not progressing?
  • Why did I succeed this time but fail last?

The inward directed why is self analysis. It can keep us off auto-pilot and make sure our actions align with our goals.

The way I see it how = action and why = motivation. If your motivation is external you're fucking up.

[–]enfier1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say that 9/10 times the why is either obvious or unimportant. I mean there's certainly a point after repeated failure where you should step back and analyze the plan, but that still falls into the category of how.

The type of person that ends up here usually spends too much time in the thought category and not nearly enough time in the action category. The type of person that's too much action and not enough thinking doesn't end up on Reddit posting about theory.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

only works if you are not going to get into ego protection mode or analysis paralysis.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Big difference between inward vs outward directed "why". That makes sense. Without some reflection, male solipsism is easy to attain.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I try to keep this as simple as possible. Like my post on turning off your brain. You're totally right on self reflection, however, when someone is at a point where they play devils advocate and self reflect, they tend to have already internalized the basic idea.

I mean, how many people ask why, not because they want to understand, but because they are looking for a reason to compartmentalize things and protect ego?

I've been reading RP for probably a year and a half, the manosphere for longer, and in that time, I've seen a separation.

PUA's who would bring up field reports, and then the guys who would keep mentally masturbating with dumb shit theories.

Archwinger observing, then coming up with gems like 'men aren't happy', versus the kind of guy who reads a journalists talk of a research paper on fruit flies cucking each other (as if he now understands the women).

I'm sure it's been explained much more eloquently by some philosopher. I have source amnesia, take something already fleshed out, and throw a few 'faggots' in there for good measure.

[–]redearththeory5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The parable of the poisoned arrow.

" It's just as if a man were wounded with an arrow thickly smeared with poison. His friends & companions, kinsmen & relatives would provide him with a surgeon, and the man would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know whether the man who wounded me was a noble warrior, a priest, a merchant, or a worker.' He would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know the given name & clan name of the man who wounded me... until I know whether he was tall, medium, or short... until I know whether he was dark, ruddy-brown, or golden-colored... until I know his home village, town, or city... until I know whether the bow with which I was wounded was a long bow or a crossbow... until I know whether the bowstring with which I was wounded was fiber, bamboo threads, sinew, hemp, or bark... until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was wild or cultivated... until I know whether the feathers of the shaft with which I was wounded were those of a vulture, a stork, a hawk, a peacock, or another bird... until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was bound with the sinew of an ox, a water buffalo, a langur, or a monkey.' He would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know whether the shaft with which I was wounded was that of a common arrow, a curved arrow, a barbed, a calf-toothed, or an oleander arrow.' The man would die and those things would still remain unknown to him."

~ Buddha

Don't ask why you have an arrow in your chest. Take it out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

…..you are saying that I should do something, rather than reflect on it. I should spend my time working on how to do something, rather than spending time wondering why.

But if I did that, I would be busy all the time. I would immediately start losing weight and getting things done. My poor hamster would sit idle and probably lose all interest in life and die a slow and pitiful death.

Gee, I dunno, I will have to thing about that. :)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Aylmao. I see what you did there old man!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Alas! I choose to be transparent for old friends. I was up in Canada last week. They are a happy friendly bunch. Couldn't help but think of you. Best

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Which province?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

New Brunswick, mostly on the coast. One observation, that is some really BIG country. Not hard for me to find the isolated camping I enjoy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice. Buddy keeps telling me to get to Moncton. Glad you enjoyed the maritimes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We just drove thru Moncton. It is a nice size town.

…..are you noticing the clown votes? NB must not be popular… ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fellow canadian mad that I like trump on the TV.

I tend to pick up 'fans' around the online dopamine dispenser

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

when you look into persuasion, motivation, behavioral econ, etc, WHY is the most important question. even if the WHY is wrong, the human brain needs to agree with the WHY before they care about the HOW. people don't fail to quit smoking because they don't know HOW. i don't even smoke, and i can tell you there are a million advertisements for gum, patches, programs, support groups. you have every fucking thing in the world telling you HOW to quit smoking. but if you don't agree with the WHY of quitting smoking, no amount of HOWs will change your behavior.

the recipient of a persuasive message must agree with that WHY to even get to the HOW. that's why when you talk to these BP fucks, they dismiss you. they're like "i don't need to lift, or eat clean, or dress well, or learn how to dom women. what the fuck is this sexual strategy bullshit? i know she's 35 years old, but so are you... you should man up and marry her." they disagree with your WHY, so TRP's HOW is irrelevant to them.

that's also why men come to TRP. we all came here looking for an explanation of WHY this shit is happening... we got burned one too many times by some AWALT skank, and it doesn't make sense to our fairy tale warped BP brains. then you read the sidebar 101, and suddenly all of the WHY makes sense, and the HOW falls in line. next thing you know, you're lifting, eating clean, dressing well, doming women.

seriously, i'm in my mid 30s. it took me the better part of 20 years to figure out the WHY with women. once i understood that WHY, the HOW only took a few months to nail down. now i have 7 plates, and i've fucked more gorgeous women in 2016 than in the rest of my life combined.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, we all get there eventually. The scope here is the lowest denominator. By the time you get to your level of nuance, you understand that.

case in point, your own post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking "why" is the way to figure out "how".

Example: we know "how" to game women because someone asked "why" women are attracted to men.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I see the danger of why, but I'm going to venture the statement that it's not the search for why that's wasteful, but the continued search, the swimming through the minutia long after you've discovered the basic reasoning that is a waste of time.

Why is what got me here. "Why won't my wife fuck me?" When I was a waste of oxygen I really didn't know the answer was "because you are a waste of oxygen. Because woman want to be fucked by a man. Because you believe in Disney magic".

 

"Why do my eyes hurt?"

"Because you've never used them before"

 

Rollo is practically all why. And he literally gives the understanding of why this path, the red pill path, is successful. Before reading Year One, every answer I found to "why won't my wife fuck me" had just as much weight as another. Who do I believe? One group tells me communicate with my wife, another to study PUA, and this group and Rollo to stop being a pussy. Only Rollo makes all the sense in the world. Basically confirming inner truths always known but never known.

Whether his continued dive through the why is overkill or not is debatable. But again the why isn't the problem, it's the inability to ask why, get an answer, and then ask "okay, so HOW so I improve from here".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think stone is talking about specific "why's" not the more general.

Also, and this is probably more important :

His "why's", and the useless kind he is referring to, have to do with issues with women's behavior / dynamics etc. Not the man's.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

True, he did mention a few specific whys. There have been a few idiotic questions I've seen that I answered "How does answering this promote your progress in any way?". Like one that was "Does growing up with a sister make you less inclined to be a beta?" or something stupid like that.

That said, Rollo does get into a lot of female dynamics like riding the CC and then settling, and how women believe their SMV and fertility will be viable well into their 30s. Does that specifically help men? Not really. But things like describing why they shit test, estrogen cycles, and all that do. I've actually seen women over the course of an 8 week coed season be flirty with me one week, much less so the next, and I say to myself "in 3 weeks she'll be all over me again". And like clockwork...

I could not parse whether he was addressing the specific idiotic questions or why in totality. So I addressed the latter.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

either way, even the total why doesn't matter if you can do the "how" ie "natural alpha"

most natural alphas will likely not know or care to know what we are talking about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Upvoting this because, I think it's an important point of clarity that didn't make it into stone's post.

[–]CasperTFG_8081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, it brought me back to the basics of many of the TRP writings. Show me the research paper... Answer - this is tribal knowledge, but it was lost. Lost when fathers went off to war and didn't come back sons were left to be raised by their mothers. Back even further to when tribal fathers stopped stealing their adolescent sons away from their mothers to bring them to the hunt.

Part of me learning to be a better man has been teaching me to be a better father to my 12 year old son. He now comes on the hunt with me, I bring him to the Gym, Take him to his sports games and get involved helping to coach, I take him on men only outings and get him involved/working with me in fixing the house, cars and other things he needs to know when he wants to be his own man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

+1

"I guarantee, if you start building muscle, losing fat, and stop acting like a child/woman, 80% of your work is already done. I never figured out why this stuff works, it's outside the scope of the plan."

This.

STFU, Lift, stop playing video games, use that time to be a more valuable man, then do it.

done.

[–]jeezydasnowman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Vidya = inceldom, no exceptions. Just because your nerdy friend has a girlfriend doesn't mean she's putting out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking for references is a standard SJW tactic to establish their frame and control of a topic/discussion.

They just want the monkey to dance for them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

"Why" and "how" are like the "good" reason and the "real" reason that are always present in every (your word) "transaction."

Your PPD fencing paid off nicely with this I'd say. Great synthesis.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always liked that phrase from you.

funny how it's helped persuade people to see past it at work

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

"Why" and "how" are like the "good" reason and the "real" reason that are always present in every (your word) "transaction."

Not to sound too autistic, but how is, "how" a reason?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You're not. It's just a view to a function thing.

I was referring to a conversation we had one time about ways to manipulate people in the office, and the use of "good" reasons and "real" reasons for doing things and ways to discern those when in use by others, some who have "authority" and some who have "influence."

And his assertion that all relationships are transactional, with which I don't agree. lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

why not? at what point aren't they... please convince me, because at this point, its all I see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Want me to clean the Augean stables now do you? lol.

Now you know as well as I do that nothing I can say is going to convince you otherwise if that is all you see but I think the possibility exists and that they happen.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, given your profession you know all about horse and bull shit... ( I had to)...

let me ask another way - in the past I could see a relationship as non transnational. But more and more, I see the transactions... at first I would have to think about it, now... its kind of like "yup there it is". Just to clarify, I am not saying its a "bad" thing.... just a thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's true that I have more than a passing familiarity with bullshit....even so, my optimism is boundless lol

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow Stone, it first seems like a irrelevant thought, but the more I parse it out in my brain the deeper it goes.

Why is the hamster shorthand for 'I don't want to do xyz, it is haaaawrd'

[–]rusmrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is science and there is technology.

Why - is a question of science and How - is a question of technology. TRP has nothing to do with science. TRP is a pure technology.

WHY is a very serious question. All great breakthroughs in science were owing to WHY question. WHY planets are moving relative to stars? WHY Newutoian mechanics can't predict Mercury orbit? Why light can behave itself as a particles or as a wave? We all have modern technologies because some guys in the past were seriously thinking on WHY question.

When I start reading articles on manosphere blogs I've noticed that a lot of writers tries to pretend that they are doing some kind of science here, with evidence, links to research and so on. It was fun to watch because I am a scientist myself and from my perspective it looks prety pathetic (No offense here guys). And it is not a surprise that a lot of us wonder WHY does it work? There is a curious wondering kid inside a scientist and there is a mature grown up man inside a technologist. A kid doesn't care what he will eat this evening. He wonders instead, why the meat is tasty after you put it in the fire. A man has no time for this wondering, he wants to know how to fire his firewood in the most efficient way bacuase his kids need food. That doesn't mean that technology is superior over science or something. I just wanna tell you all guys this:

stop thinking that TRP is a sciense, it is not. TRP is just a fucking technology that simply works. That's all you need to know for now. Now start burning your wood, your kids are starving.

[–]spexerMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also consider that if the WHY is a response coming from her - that you cannot really ever answer it correctly.

Because any answer means you are agreeing that you must justify and explain your actions and decisions to her.

Best answer is to not answer.

Just blow past it.

[–]MentORPHEUSTRP Endorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

None of the enlightenment had replicability errors in their research papers, or research papers at all. They tried things, reported findings, and came up with explanations, simple.

You speak of these prior times as if they were more effective or better somehow. Moving forward with "how" without adequate understanding of "why" is what burdened humanity with mercurochrome and bloodletting; prohibition and psychoanalysis.

It's a false dichotomy. True, don't get bogged down in the "why" so badly you never get to "how," but both are important.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty much the thrust of it, yes.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OYS

Kill the ego

Open up your mind

"Why?" only equals excuses and score keeping. Induces lost focus on OYS

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only place for why is once you figured out the how.

and anyway, the answer to all the "why" questions is "because men trying to please women"

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post!

Women are AWALT because of all kinds of reasons

New guys burn this into your brains. Yes, women are AWALT because of Hypergamy, but always keep in mind that Hypergamy is an instinctive behavior that is rooted in doubt.

ANYTIME you give a woman's hypergamous hamster pause to consider whether you're lower value than her, the testing and bad behavior will begin.... and it will be ALL. YOUR. FAULT.

And please note that Hypergamy does not demand the 'best', just 'better than her'. So, the bar is really not set as high as you think it is. At the beginning of your relationship, you were good enough to get her, you just became a lazy, fat fuck with zero boundaries and no life of your own.

One last thought, ALWALT is on a spectrum. According to the National Institute of Health, the percentage of Cluster B people in the US is roughly 10%, which means if your wife acts Batshit Crazy, it's more likely because you suck at being a competent captain and her bad behavior is merely a coping mechanism for the dissonance created by you misrepresenting your true value.

Edit: Typos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well, scientific method answers how. Why is the domain of philosophy. Anyway my point is that demanding scientific evidence is fundamentally a how question, not a why question: "How do women behave?". Not being careful / understanding this is partly how EP gets into hot water. ;)

[–]rusmrp0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm affraid you're have a little idea on how science work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Name one "why" science has answered that is not more accurately expressed as "how".

[–]rusmrp0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

WHY planets are moving relative to stars? WHY Newutoian mechanics can't predict Mercury orbit? Why light can behave itself as a particles or as a wave?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You mean describing how planets move relative to stars? How Newtonian mechanics fails to accurately predict Mercury's orbit? How light's behavior seems like a particle sometimes and like a wave sometimes?

[–]rusmrp0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And how?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand your question. Sorry!

[–]rusmrp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I want you to give me answers on your question. Especially I am interested in "How light's behavior seems like a particle sometimes and like a wave sometimes?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Light is light it does what it does. How it can behave like a wave and like a particle is that neither waves nor particles are adequate models for describing its behavior.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Why" is hamster and DEER feed.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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