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It started like most Saturdays for many months now, first some morning sex, some pretty great sex to be specific. Cooked some bacon, took a bike ride, told the wife we were going to a movie tonight after some shopping, completed our chores/projects, lifted, and then sat down for some Olympics with wife. Then my wife tried to apply some dread.

 

First though some recent background

Found the RP 11 months ago, and been slowly dissolving the jagged pill. The changes to myself and my marriage have been solid and steadily building after an initial 3-4 month lag where nothing much seem to gain any traction. However, as recently as a month ago I was still occasionally losing internal frame mostly over whether my wife could ever become the person I thought I married and wanted back. I got a lot of good advice on this sub two months ago that the woman I thought I had was never there due to a combination of the blue goggles and her taking my shape to an unsustainable degree. Three weeks ago, while lifting, I just came to terms with this as a fact. I cannot change her that much. I will either accept it or I won’t, those are my options.

During the same lift, I had the following epiphany that has finally moved my frame squarely into the middle of me. The goal of my MAP, relative to my marriage, should be to end the marriage. My goal should be to become a single man that can slay every single component of my life. This doesn’t mean I ignore my wife. Rather, she is my current partner in my RP training. If she makes it into the championship, swell….if she doesn’t oh well. For me, this is the way to kill the mother of all covert contracts that was my MAP. This mental model was influenced by the post on “The Gift” and the referenced Rollo post. The most perplexing concept for me all along has been the man that “just gets it”. In other words, what the fuck am I supposed to just get? What he just gets at the deepest levels of his psyche is HE IS PRIZE and he NEED NOT QUALIFY HIMSELF TO ANYONE. A covert contract or expectation on the success or failure of my marriage is anathema to “just getting it”. I modified my MAP accordingly in the days following as described in this week’s OYS.

The change in mental model has had a profound effect on my frame. My OI, which has been tested on both sex and in terms of being “that woman I fell for”, has been effortless since. My mental state has been calm and mission focused with zero interruption of this frame. My best description is that I see things happen rather than feeling them happen.

Two weeks ago, the wife started a temporary assignment in one of her company’s contractor-processing facilities taking her from an office environment filled with people (mostly women) I know to a new environment filled with a bunch of blue-collar rednecks. Back in my BP days this would have sent me into mate guarding orbit. I would have been calling her for a bunch for bullshit reasons, been waiting for to get home from work so I could “interview” her, and generally freaking out over Chad. I would try to be surreptitious; but I know now she saw through this facade and what she saw was very unattractive. On the other hand, I think women take a little, albeit disgusted, satisfaction from so obviously taming a man. Nothing of the kind happened this time. I gave zero fucks, made zero calls, and although she was getting home much later I was still not there because I was out doing my thing. While I no longer fantasize about divorce, if she wants to hand it to me on a silver platter I will laugh all the way to the pussy bank with my kidos firmly in tow.

Last week, I went to high-school sport parents meeting. Lots of (now) typical IOI in meeting. We are leaving school and run into a guy my wife knows and two random MILFs. One of the MILFs opens me, we start talking going from one subject to another. One of the MILFs touches my arm, I start countdown in head, and 4 seconds later the other MILF touches other arm. Wife's conversation runs out, I am still going. She comes over and wraps her arm around mine; and ask if I am ready to go. Sure...say bye to MILFS. In the van, she ask how I know those women. I said I did not know them, but just met them. She said "sure did seem like they knew you". I said "yeah, I know, that happens a lot now". The look on her face was fucking priceless. I have been lightly gaming women in our social circles and women I randomly meet, and it has consistently had the expected positive effect on her demeanor. However, this was the first time she has witnessed random women hitting on me. I woke up that night to find her crawling on top of me. With the exception of a 4-day shark attack last Saturday-Tuesday, she has been on the dick every day since. Add in a little pool party dread-boost on Wednesday for good measure.

My point in this background is that although I have been laying on the dread consistently for many months now; it has only been several weeks since my mental state has been psychologically congruent with the dread. We like to “fake it until you make it” around these parts, but understand this faking it is for you and your confidence, not her. She likely sees through your faking because she is a highly evolved frame detector, a Tingle-o-meter if you will. The fact that she goes along with your charade only indicates she is not a complete cunt and/or has some respect for you.

 

Wife Dreads me………

Ms. Persaeus drove my jacked diesel truck to work on Friday because SIL and I took her van to pick up the boy from summer camp. She had to go back to main office; and apparently rolled into the contractor parking lot right as a bunch of operators and a young Chad engineer (Chadgineer) were coming back from lunch. She has mentioned Chadgineer a few times since starting this assignment in typical woman-speak (he’s so smart, he’s so nice, etc.): Translation – he’s hawt and making me tingle.

We are watching the Olympics, she starts to talk, and so I mute the TV

Wife: blah…blah…essentially setting up the interaction with Chadgineer

Me: yeah

Wife: I jumped out of your truck and all these guys and Chadgineer came over and asked me “what is such a little girl doing in such a big truck”

Me: really

Wife: I told them it was my husband’s truck

Me: yep

Wife: Chadgineer really liked your truck. He had to look at the engine and blah blah about Chad loving my truck.

Me: it’s a nice truck for sure

Wife: he asked me to take him for a drive in your truck, but I told him I was too busy

Me: really

Wife: so what do you think about that? (at this point her body language is showing annoyance at my lack of reaction….should mention the whole time I am eating a can of Reddi-Whip with a spoon)

Me: tell Chadgineer if he will take you lock, stock, and barrel; I will throw in the truck

Wife: you’re an Asshole….and grabs Reddi-Whip can out of my hand

Me: yep…and turns volume back up on TV

Her: pouting and eating Reddi-Whip

This was my first “you’re an Asshole”; and I was so proud in that moment. We chill out some more like nothing happened. I go to pool for a couple hours and come back to get ready for our movie. On our way out the door, she bends over to pick her purse up off the floor. I run over, grab her hips, give her a couple dry humps, and then slap her. She just looks back and with a smile says “you’re so bad”….”yes I am”. She doesn’t even remember 9 months ago when I started slapping her ass in the kitchen and she came completely unglued telling me I should never do that again.

 

I Dread wife………

Went to clothing store to pick up some thing for a hiking trip we are taking next week. We each have a couple items; and are walking towards the dressing rooms (the kind with a gal that “checks you in”). These rooms have these cool mirror/light setup that I swear adds a couple points to your SMV. Approaching, I ask her if she would like to join me so we can evaluate the fit of each other’s clothes. She declines “I don’t think so buddy”, me “your loss”.

We go in, separately, and of course I am out way before her. Sitting there, a hot MILF walks up with her teenage daughter. We give each other a good eye fucking as she approaches. Teenage daughter goes into dressing room. I am seated-waiting, and she walks over and says “hi”. Turns out she just moved back to area; and her daughter is same age as mine. I am on about my 3rd elderly ramble topic when wife comes out, comes over, and says “hello” to the woman. It’s the “who the hell are you” kind of hello. I say to MILF, “I am sorry, I did not get your name yet”, MILF answers, and I introduce my wife and tell wife how MILF’s daughter is going to ‘our’ high school. MILF seems a little surprised at WIFE since I had just been gaming her; and I had my ring-hand covered with garments.

We checkout and head over to local GNC (health/nutrition food store). Oh look who’s working the GNC, it’s the 28yo HB8 from BJJ that has been really flirty with me the last several months. She doesn’t disappoint and is openly flirting with me while we discuss the merits of product, catch up on BJJ gossip (I have not been to BJJ for 2 weeks due to surgery), the whole time she is intermittently touching my arms and shoulders. Wife interviews me about BJJ babe on way to movie.

We go into movie a little late missing previews, and it was about 1/3 full. As were watching the movie, she just keeps getting closer to the point where she has her hand in my lap, I have my arm around her shoulder, and we are watching cheek to cheek. About half-way through movie, I thought to myself “what would she do if I started making out with her right here”. You know we are both 47yo, been together 25+ years; and I am pretty sure I have not made out with a girl in a movie theater since high school. I said fuck it, and moved in. We made out for the rest of the movie like two horny teenagers, she is rubbing my dick through my shorts, and I am alternating between grabbing her tits and rubbing her clit. We gave zero fucks that there were people around.

Needless to say, when we got home I picked her up and carried her to bed. This coming week is pre-ovulation week……should be exciting. Self-improvement and RP to the grave.

TDLR: Dread your wife with complete psychological and physical (i.e. be jacked) congruence; and she will submit.


[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Wife and OP playing flirting games,

:)

I am eating a can of Reddi-Whip with a spoon)

:/

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wife and OP play flirting games all the time now, including sharing a can of Reddi-Whip.

It boggles my mind that just 11 months ago I was so depressed that I was searching for a way to chemically castrate my libido so I could make the pain go away; and my wife was an ice cold constantly bitching harpy.

You misogynistic shitlords should be destroyed.

Seriously though, words cannot express how grateful I am for this sub.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was wondering how far down I'd have to go before I read someone giving shit about the Reddi-whip. I suppose a man cannot live off grilled chicken alone...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Navy used to have pork for everything, was a cheaper meat for them, easier to sanitize than chicken too.

Bad habit to break

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

More of a cool whip guy myself. If you are going to eat pure sugar, you might as well not feel guilty about it.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but you need to read your labels. Cool whip is almost entirely made from high fructose corn syrup (aka POISON). Reddi-whip is made mostly from cream from the tit of a cow, and is thus >60% fat calories.

I eat several large cans of it per week.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

put in on a scoop of peanut butter....it's my go to when the sweet tooth strikes.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

have not tried that....I have put it on bacon...ummmmm

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I go for the cool whip free. Jess regular old corn syrup. If loving corn syrup (and by extension pop corn balls) is wrong. I dont want to be right.

[–]alphabeta49MRP APPROVED11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Me: tell Chadgineer if he will take you lock, stock, and barrel; I will throw in the truck

If this was done with a grinning-idiot smirk, this is gold.

Also, here's a slap on the ass for your progress.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

grinning-idiot smirk

10-4, it took some effort not to laugh

[–]spexerMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very nice FR.

My best description is that I see things happen rather than feeling them happen.

You have arrived.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So what was your mindset before the epiphany? That she was still the prize?

Am I reading correctly that in deciding to make your goal to end the marriage that you came to the conclusion that your wife wouldnt ever be what you wanted? Are you sure it's just not that Any Woman will never be what you had wanted? (Kind of battling this myself)

Sentiments with stoney here...why reddi-whip off a spoon?

And lastly...I see a lot of the flaired tell tales of women coming up to them and kinoing them...I gotta admit I hate to compare and im not totally jacked (on the way but not yet, but am chiseled) and I cant say it's happened to myself that i remember...yet? Any thoughts on that?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get jacked. I'm not and it would be easier than if I was.

However - if your body language is comfortable confident and available - things just happen.

Also keep in mind all this flirting ? It's all BS that girls make up in their own minds. They see something they think they like and imagine all the what ifs and play it out in their heads. That's what dread is. That's what flirting is.

Smile more

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Get jacked

yep, during the Olympic opening ceremony "walk of nations" (i.e. walk of fittest people on the planet); who did the hive mind determine was the hawtest? Tonga Man (aka...the most visibly jacked dude in the building).

It's all BS that girls make up in their own minds. They see something they think they like and imagine all the what ifs and play it out in their heads.

This explains something I have noticed when gaming women since I put my ring back on. First off, they are really slow to notice the ring....and OK sometimes I obfuscate it's presence. When they do finally notice, or I point it out in answering the question "are you/why aren't you married", I always get one of the following responses with intense emotion-body language:

  1. Oh bummer
  2. Your an asshole
  3. Whatever, keep coming

For whatever reason, I find this hugely comical.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what was your mindset before the epiphany?

My MAP top level goal was to: "Have an LTR that shares my interest and value/respect my being; that is down for a porn start sex life." - copied from MAP Phase 2 dated 2.2.16. When I wrote this my keystrokes said LTR; but the hamster meant WIFE. I still had the BP fantasy that I had married a unicorn; and then ruined her. I credit the Toga Party post by UEMcGill with helping me finally see this as the mirage that it was.

Are you sure it's just not that Any Woman will never be what you had wanted?

Quite frankly, I still struggle mightily with "what I want" when it comes to women. WMP told me once point blank (lol) that there might be nothing wrong with my woman or marriage, I was the problem. At this point, I choose to focus on building the man and not concerning myself with expectation of "what I want". I fear some of my "wants" are still founded in Disney.

why reddi-whip off a spoon?

Don't read too much into this..... Reddi-whip is good, I eat a lot of it. I have even taken it into movie theaters....then again I once took a rotesire chicken into a movie.

Any thoughts on that?

Scurve nails it. Get jacked, be congruent (i.e. who....little ol' me....I'm just flirting here). I would like to add a lot more muscle; but I am comfortably below 12% BF and wear tight fitting clothes.

[–]redstripedanimal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

would like to add a lot more muscle; but I am comfortably below 12% BF and wear tight fitting clothes.

This is inspiring. Great FR. Mr. Persaeus. :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same, 6% BF. I like seeing every muscle and curve. Have been adding tighter clothes to go with the look but am wondering if staying at such a low BF precludes the ability to get to that level of being jacked since I constantly hear that you have to be in a calorie surplus to achieve that. Seems like I could be jacked and cut but only for a limited time as Id either be at the end of a cut and need to start eating more or risk losing gains.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I looked up 6%BF on google images, and not surprisingly, it is a bunch of jacked dudes....but not Mr. Olympus jacked. You need to aim for the look in the google images. As 2guns eluded to the shoulder to waist ratio is key.

[–]2gunsgetsomeMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see a lot of the flaired tell tales of women coming up to them and kinoing them...Any thoughts on that?

I'm not flaired, but can confirm this happens. Don't be skinny. Also dress sharp in a way that shows off your upper body shape and stand with excellent posture. My random, unprovoked swolestations usually happen when I'm in bars or other nightlife venues, but women that I know (receptionists, wife's friends, etc.) now touch my upper arm or shoulder when they talk to me. None of that used to happen before about 6 months of lifting.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUsMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like your idea that the goal of MAP is to end your marriage. I take you to mean "end the marriage that currently exists" - either by moving on to a better marriage with the same person, or by divorce. To me, trying to "save the marriage" encourages walking on eggshells, always second guessing, always judging every step in terms of her reaction. Screw that! The old marriage, whatever it was, is dead. The point of the MAP is to put a bullet through its head and bury it. Stop chasing the past and step forward into the future.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The exact wording of my MAP is:

"My mission is to become a single man that can excel in every component of my life by:"

3 objectives follow with a total of 12 measureable action items.

The corollary to the mission is of course that I would no longer be married. Getting divorced is not my objective. Instead it is to operate 100% in the mindset that I am the mission, not the marriage. It is more than a mental construct though. My MAP has objectives to both prepare to be a single man in the future and to behave like a single man now in regards to how I lead my wife. I had already scheduled; and will be following through with a divorce lawyer consultation the last week of August. I met with two different DL last fall after finding the pill; but having learned a lot over the last 11 months I have a much finer set of questions (mostly about custody). Basically, the ship has set sail it's up to her not to fall overboard.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I cannot change her that much.

There, now your words and goals have the congruence of which you speak. I know, it's fucking hard...Even when your beliefs and actions are coming into alignment, your subconscious pukes on you.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There, now your words and goals have the congruence of which you speak.

You are absolutely right with the correction. Thanks for the slap.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Dude, good for you.

Do you feel validated :-)

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think at some point, we may need a post about the difference between being happy and validated. Depending on the man, is there any?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

it kind of just depends on how often one winds back in a lapsed anger stage or doing things that will " show her" -

you know what I mean?

I can honestly tell you that if you had started out now fresh with someone else and had the mindset you do now, you would feel less like "I earned this" and more like "this is how it is because thats what I want".

Im not sure if that makes sense.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It does. Fresh start vs. affecting SO with a selective memory that militates against you.

It's all my fault with the current one. No faults to report yet with a new one.

This is why congruence is key. A person who has seen you at your beta worst won't instinctively assume your new awesomeness as the norm, if it truly isn't. People are not wired to follow those who don't project the leader role congruently. It's that middle manager at work everyone tells themselves under their breath, "go fuck yourself, idiot," and gets no traction with the team.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We will always blame ourselves.

Mine actually said she blames herself for the way she was treating as she was going through ((feelz)). This was likely the first time (meaning overall ) that I didn't tell her it was ok.

I listened and hugged her.

Then somehow things " just happened"

Not gonna lie I still have resentment at times. It's jarring.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We will always blame ourselves. Mine actually said she blames herself for the way she was treating as she was going through ((feelz)). This was likely the first time (meaning overall ) that I didn't tell her it was ok. I listened and hugged her. Then somehow things " just happened" Not gonna lie I still have resentment at times. It's jarring.

I second every word of this.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Do you feel validated

Good question; and one I have considered. It does not feel like validation because there is no longer a hole that needs filled. What you said below:

this is how it is because thats what I want

kinda sums it up. To quote Riddick "I keep what I kill"

[EDIT ADD] - At times I can see the oneitis creeping back in, but like I said it is more akin to observing your thought process as opposed to feeling it. Back in my Tinder adventure, part of the reason I quit was the feeling of oneitis for one of the gals I met. Same thing, I could see the oneitis wrapping around me almost like a Python.

[–]WhiteTrashKiller0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Happy or validated? It is a state if mind, IMHO. I am most happy when I am validated....

In my fucked up head, I validate myself constantly Shit almost daily. I don't need a woman to do it. New personal best yes! Knock 30 seconds off my run yes! Big raise, woot....

I have always been an egomaniac(thanks MOM) But at this point IDGAF about women at my age. Maybe I am getting old....

It has always been a sadistic pleasure to coerce women, just to see how far they would go. Got a boyfriend, steal a kiss and leave her wondering. Grab a number and never call.....

I enjoy the reactions of getting under someones skin. I am more about the game now than I ever was about the end result(bagging a chick). The mental game if chess is quite satisfying to me at this point in life.

Enjoy this ride for what it is a ride, the end comes for us all and no matter how much we want it nobody will make that trip qith us when the end is near. Come in alone, go out alone.........

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I validate myself constantly Shit almost daily. I don't need a woman to do it.

Agree that validation and happiness are intrinsically linked. I am not sure, just because I have not tested it, that I am where I do not need women(pl.) to do it. I just don't need validation from this one particular woman (wife). That being said, I do get a lot of it from just being me and personnel achievements.

I have always been an egomaniac(thanks MOM)

I feel you on this one brother. I think this is pretty common with first born or last/much later born boys. You're earliest years are spent literally being at the center of the universe. To her credit MOM was constantly filling my head with "you can do/be anything". It is a two-edged sword.

I am more about the game now than I ever was about the end result(bagging a chick)

Lot of new guys on this sub asking how to improve their game. This is the most critical answer. Enjoy the process and don't focus on the end state. Bitches want it to "just happen", just enjoying the game puts you into congruence with their fantasy.

Come in alone, go out alone.........

As a connoisseur of idioms, I have to say this one escapes me beyond nihilism or an allegory for moving in/out of consciousness. You come in/through your mother, and hopefully you die surrounded by family and friends?

[–]WhiteTrashKiller0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What I mean by in alone out alone is, just like any other journey you will always be by yourself. Nobody will be there when it passes going "Fuck that was rough". If you take this approach to every journey in this life, you will never look for help. If you fail, you failed because you weren't good enough and you'll work harder next time.

You didn't fail because nobody helped you......

This mindset helps you achieve loftier goals, IMHO. You can use the tools around you, but uliltimately it is up to you to do it.......

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thanks for the explanation...makes sense....saved

[–]over60_stupid_loner 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Just looked back over your old posts, and, some of our exchanges of comments in the past months.

You seem happy, calm and confident. Are you the same guy? ;)

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seem happy, calm and confident. Are you the same guy? ;)

I am, and both yes and no. Your question gave me pause because I certainly don't want my current Zen state to be ethereal and fleeting. Following is my brief catalog of what has changed over the last 10 weeks of summer:

  1. Taking advantage summer daylight and the fact that I am not constantly shuttling kids hither and yonder; I have been working out a lot. I would estimate I spend >15 hours a week either under the iron, on a bike, or on a rowing machine. Add in BJJ, some hiking, kayaking, etc.; and I spent a lot of time moving. I started testosterone therapy (Axiron) on June 27th (6 weeks now). Since June 1st my 3rep bench press has increased from 155 to 195, squat has increased from 165 to 235, and other lifts have all went up. First boy-soccer practice last night, and rode a road-circuit I had not touched since May. My time has dropped by 25%. Body weight went from 155 to 160. This is obviously a major factor in increased IOI and swolestation. I have a solid plan to maintain the exercise pace during the school year, it helps that daughter now drives :).
  2. The investments (time and putting myself out there) in my social life have really started to bear fruit over the summer. On a lot of days and most weekends I now have multiple options as to what I want to do and who I want to hang out with. This has had a significant impact on wife’s perceived value of spending time with me.
  3. I spent almost three weeks away from wife this summer (two with my kids and buddies/kids) and one by myself. I have always spent significant time like this away from wife, but this was the first since swallowing the RP. I learned a lot, mostly that I am completely content without wife and without sexvalidation. At first, I interpreted this incorrectly in that I was like “fuck I am so much happier without this bitch…….NEXT”. Part of my epiphany lift was that there was no reason I could not be in this mental state when I am with her if I would just let go of all expectations and enjoy the process and woman for who she is. I got my yearly man trip scheduled for September.

[–]no_face0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We like to “fake it until you make it” around these parts, but understand this faking it is for you and your confidence, not her.

Great line. Faking is not effective, it just enables you to sustain until you make it

[–]40mullet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

cool story.

Last time my wife fucked my brains out was when I visited her at work and her female coworker said later something good about me (tall, fit, handsome). I just said hello to her.

TBH that kind of sex is not something I need or want. It´s usually her on top then, kind of "You are mine" sex, it is physically good of course, but does nothing to my ego.

It´s much better when I decide to use some kind of SGM and make here extremely turned on, submissive way.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Should read "Wife attempts to Dread me.

Women project constantly. They assume that what makes them attracted also makes you attracted, and it just ain't so. Men aren't necessarily attracted to the woman that all the other guys want. Plus, this was done not in your presence, and was probably made up, i.e., words only, not a costly/honest signal. OP response was textbook A & A.

Whereas, she got to witness firsthand how attractive you are to other women.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women project constantly.

Yes they do. I have known about secondary selection since high school (i.e. once you have girlfriend, it suddenly starts raining pussy). Some gal having a boyfriend or watching some dude hit on my woman either did nothing or just pissed me off.

I take her at her word on her dose of chad-validation. I have never met Chadgineer; but know his older brother and he at least is pretty studly.

I think she was giving me (in her mind) a little turn about is fair play plus let me scratch the paint and see if BetaBilly is still in there. Can't say I blame her since I trained for years as this being a surefire way to bring me to heel. She did not know that I absolutely killed that part of Billy, and fucked my way through the Anger. When I think about my wife fucking another man now, I feel nothing.....like a hole in the center of my chest but the pain is gone.

not a costly/honest signal

You make a good point here. Have not considered my course of action should she really put it out there; but not execute (that leads to execution of the marriage). I will think about that.

[–]KyfhoMyobaMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

FYI, Roosh is not considered to be a very good PUA - I would not waste much time in studying his materials. He will never get out of the anger phase. A better resource is the free YouTube videos of anyone from RSD. I myself mostly use Speed SeductionTM, but there's not a lot of free stuff out there unless you want to download torrents.

[–]Limekill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the only real PUA book of Rooshv is bang?

Really you may as well buy it as I still think it gives a good overview.

[–]3rdcoastchris0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sitting, letting the time tick by, no fucking motivation to go to the gym, tell myself I have to go and then lightbulb "I'll read mrp", sure enough, doesn't disappoint, got to go

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

well then go, your time is wasting away

no fucking motivation to go to the gym

Cannot say I understand this at all. I sometimes lack motivation to go work or do some chores. I am always down for pushing some iron while I watch hot bitches prance around in yoga pants. WTF is wrong with you?

[–]Limekill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hot bitches prance around in yoga pants

Sometimes I forget whats the reason to go to gym.

[–]0kool740 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me: tell Chadgineer if he will take you lock, stock, and barrel; I will throw in the truck

SOLID!!!!! And it's only when you get to the point where you truly DGAF and are checked out that you can come up with something like that.

[–]nopeToThe43rd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

While I no longer fantasize about divorce, if she wants to hand it to me on a silver platter I will laugh all the way to the pussy bank with my kiddos firmly in tow.

I think that's where I am mentally.

[–]OmegaMan20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A great read. Women want what other women want, and you've got that angle down perfectly.

[–]jazerac0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Very nice man! Good for you! What resources have you used in regards to game?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have read both Models and Day Bang (audio once) twice each. Currently working on Bang. My Day Game is pretty good, my Night Game is not and needs a lot more practice. Although I stopped number closing almost two months ago, I talk with almost anyone that will stand still long enough. I flirt with all women, even the old or ugly ones. Lastly, I practice escalating routinely with women I know from work or social circles. It's all either coy or just straight out nasty depending on the woman.

[–]jazerac0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Excellent, thanks for the suggestions. Does it not worry you to escalate with coworkers though? Be in such close proximity, if your dick is thinking for you, you could get in trouble being married no?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I say escalate with coworkers; I am talking about steering the conversation with innuendo to progressively more sexualized and teasing discussions. Go kinda slow with any new gals until they are broke in (i.e. trust you). Quite truthfully I have never met a woman that did not eat this type of stuff up because it creates tension and drama; plus in the very male dominated work environment I inhabit it allows the females to "play in the boys sandbox". Hell, I do this type of thing with my aunts. I never ever actually try to fuck women I work with......just so much downside.

I keep hearing there are these SJW types that hates this type of thing. I am thinking they are probably not fans of the petrochemical industry so I never see them at work.

Fair warning - YMMV. Plus worth noting the RP truth difference between a creepy and sexy guy? One of them is jacked.

[–]jazerac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I am one of the most muscular in shape guys where I work. I always wondered why I was always able to get away with the shit I said and did. I found the RP only 2 months ago and am still digesting it. Now I realize why... Now I also see all the lost opportunities. It never dawned on me why women were acting the way they did and said the things they said to me. They were seeking attention and approval from me, I was subconsciously giving them tingles.

Thanks for your post and insight. I find myself escalating and teasing more with random women as well. Internalizing this info has helped. I am glad to see your progressing so well. I still am not at the point of random women touching my arms though.

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