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There was a post recently asking if woman still doll up for their man. From the OP it became clear that some men expect their wife or LTR to step up regarding their looks, but are not willing to do so themselves. This got me thinking what is the difference between the above statement. Seeing that it is the number 1 rule of MRP, lets break it down.

Be attractive To be attractive is a physical thing, it has to do with your looks.

  • Be fit and muscular. You should aim for 10% bodyfat, but not more than 15%
  • Wear clothes that fit your frame and is as stylish and nice as you can afford that fits the situation. What I mean is don't wear your washed out track suit at home. Wifebeaters is for the gym only, if even that. There is a lot of tips on style if you look around.
  • Be well groomed. Remove those hairs in your ears and trim your eyebrows. You can't reasonably expect your wife to tweeze her bikini line if your unibrow is a mustache for your eyes.
  • Smell nice. At the very least remember your deodorant. Sweat and tobacco smoke is so 1955.
  • Polish your shoes. And for fucks sake, use some foot powder.
  • Treat every day as if it is a first date, and dress to impress.

Don't be unattractive This has to do with your personality and demeanor. This is actually the crux of being a better man. Of being a red pill man.

  • Don't be clingy. Women can't stand a man who is clingy and needy.
  • Don't be that man that she needs to whine at to get shit done. Women want shit to magically be perfect. Your job as the man of the house is to make sure your house is ship shape.
  • Don't be boring. Have a hobby. Have friends that add value to your life. Have something to do if you get a hard no.
  • Don't be weak. Woman want to know you are a rock. You can't complain to her if you feel ill. You don't tell her about shit at work, or if you are feeling depressed. You only tell her that whatever happens you got your shit together and then you show her that.
  • Don't entertain her emotions. She needs to know that you are her captain. You will lead her.

There is a shitload of posts that handle each and everyone of these statements in more detail. Look it up, read the blogposts of the MODS. Read the sidebar and lift.

But know the difference between what is attractive, and what is unattractive. You need to get them both right.


[–]A_RexRED KNIGHT12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Another bullet point for Don't Be Unattractive:

  • Do not be a mean/miserable/depressed prick. I have heard from my wife through the years, as well as various posts from women in different subreddits about how fast they lose any and all desire to fuck you if you are in a foul mood. This was one of my biggest past problems. Leave the work frustration at work. Be stoic and maintain frame at home - don't let her bullshit, the kids' bullshit, or random everyday bullshit bring down your attitude. She is a reflection of you - if your attitude sucks, so will hers.

[–]FF_in_MN1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How'd you overcome? My wife says I'm always moody, or I look depressed or in a foul mood. I'm really not those things, I consider myself to be reserved, strong silent type. But I do know I'm pretty quiet, don't get overly excited about anything really, maybe a bit of an introvert, and maintain a pretty even keel. But it comes across as brooding and sulking.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Figure out what you looking the opposite is and practice that. Like literally practice.

Right now your muscle memory has brooding as the default. So when you're thinking of tits, cartoons, or nothing at all your body does that. Even if mentally you're in Narnia or some shit.

It's exactly the same as correcting bad posture.

[–]A_RexRED KNIGHT6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is going to sound cheesy as fuck, but make sure you really are in a positive, good mood. Change your attitude and the body language will match (and we know how perceptive women are to body language).

If you slip and she catches you, I like to treat it as a mild shit test. I defeat it with a combo of cocky/funny and changing the subject. Ex:

Her: What's wrong? You look sad? Me: I just can't believe how mean people are to Donald Trump because of his hair! eye contact and smirk. Anyways, what's on your agenda for this weekend...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyways, what's on your agenda for this weekend...

Anyway, here is our agenda this weekend...

FTFY

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems very obvious but still many guys will neglect the 'being unattractive' part.

Natural alphas and guys with inherent game often are not all that good looking but they nail 'don't be unattractive' part.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You wrote my tl:dr.

Thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a good starting point.

Most new guys on here have a bigger problem... their SO's do not see the part where they are trying to be not unattractive.

One key thing is DO NOT expect someone to shift their view of you until you provide consistent evidence that you are not unattractive.

How long will this take, Scurve? I don't know,depends on how long you've been a giant pussy.

[–]Sadbeary1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know,depends on how long you've been a giant pussy.

So 5 years of confused, angry whiny baby doesn't get fixed over night? Shit, I have a problem ;)

[–]LifeChoiceReflectorUnplugging2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I've been doing a pretty good job of not being unattractive, but a very poor job of being attractive. I've also been doing a good job of being stoic and swatting shit tests, but my lack of discipline in lifting and getting back to shape disgusts me.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUsMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Catching a whiff of bullshit here. "I'm doing a good job except for lifting," but lifting is the first thing on the list . . . And the most important thing . . . And the one thing you can completely control . . . And the only area where there is an objective measure of accountability-either you go to the gym or you don't. Saying your lack of discipline disgusts you is just an elaborate form of validation seeking. Making excuses doesn't move you forward, but saying you have no excuse also doesn't move you forward.

[–]LifeChoiceReflectorUnplugging0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with you. Lifting is something I should have had complete control over. I'm living alone while my wife and daughter are in India recovering from the delivery. Every day I want to go to gym, but as soon as I enter my house after work, it is as if I'm sucked into a black hole. I just sit there doing worthless things while at the same time hating myself for it. This is exactly the reason why I hardly ever post in mrp these days. You can read through my post history to see how bad I was in my marriage. When I say I'm doing pretty good on other stuff, I mean being stoic, swatting shit tests, and such. And I really mean it. If I were not, I wouldn't be posting this way. I didn't post my comment to seek attention. I keep up a strong stoic frame to my wife, so I wanted to confess my sins somewhere I don't have to pretend. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Question is, what the fuck are you gonna do about it?

[–]LifeChoiceReflectorUnplugging0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. I say this is what I'm going to do, and I follow through for a few days and then just stop doing it one day. I want to go out to gym but end up just being a couch potato. At this point I'm even sick of making promises and plans.

Let me try this. I'm only going to plan for this one day and see if I can get it done.

I'm going to go to the gym today. Continue the 5x5 from where I left off.

I'm going to cook a dinner tonight.

I'm going to finish implementing basic Postgres connector at work today.

I'm going to browse Reddit in 5 minute intervals today instead of getting lost in it.

I'm going to handle the mess of clean clothes in the closet.

Let's see if I can get these done today.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Read that again and then you tell me why you sound like a weak ass sissyboy. Grow a pair. You sound disgusting.

[–]LifeChoiceReflectorUnplugging0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd honestly appreciate if you could tear it down and tell me what makes me look like a sissy. The only thing I know is that if I have to do something then I should do it instead of bitching about why I didn't do it, but again, please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On my phone so this is the short answer.

Let's see if I can get these done today.

How can your wife, or your employer value your contribution if this is your attitude towards what needs to be done. Weak attitude for a weak man. I bet you slouch.

I say this is what I'm going to do, and I follow through for a few days and then just stop doing it one day

Why do you stop. You default back to being weak. I bet you sit alone at home in filth masturbating because mommy is still in India.

I want to go out to gym but end up just being a couch potato

You don't want to. If you really wanted to you would do it. Your will come back home to the same useless man she last saw. Nothing will have changed. You ACTUALLY have to move heavy shit for it to work. Talk is cheap.

At this point I'm even sick of making promises and plans.

Because you know you are not going to follow through. Do you need someone to take you by the hand and let all of your plans just magically happen?

You really are quite pathetic.

There is a good reason you get told to lift. Besides upping your smv. Besides making you strong. The reason you have to start lifting first and foremost is becausr it increases your testosterone.

You need test to be able to get up and make your plans happen. You need test to fuck your wife. You need test to get up and go everyday. You need it just to be a man. You cannot, I repeat cannot follow and implement MRP in your life without testosterone. All the rest that is dicussed on this forum is dialing in the last 10%.

It works like a positive feedback loop. Start lifting, have more test. Have more test, you start wanting to go and lift. You start to succeed. You start to walk upright. You start to game your wife. And all these things have you creating more testosterone.

Oh and one last thing. Shitty diet, shitty test levels. Shitty you.

Get it. Now fuck of somewhere and go do something.

[–]LifeChoiceReflectorUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I didn't see it that way. I agree that my lack of testosterone is a big problem.

[–]smashmu131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So don't go home. Bring your workout shit to work and go straight to the gym.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

but my lack of discipline in lifting and getting back to shape disgusts me.

Interestingly, this is the area you have the MOST control over.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How bad off are you? I was 50 lbs down just on diet before I thought of lifting.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Add another bullet to the Don't be Unattractive List: *item 1 Don't be an A-hole.

I failed at wearing wifebeaters around the house, but they do show off he delts and biceps.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

being an asshole is tangential to being a high quality man, completely irrelevant to the discussion.

If you're attractive and an asshole? It's endearing, if you're attractive and kind? then you're the gentle giant.

Rollo elaborates well on this

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It isn't tangential. It all lies in the provocation. Women want you to be capable of full asshole at a moments notice for the right reasons.

Kick a dog because it's fun or your boss pissed you off and you're just an asshole.

Kick a dog because it growled at her or your kids and she can't get on that dick fast enough.

Context.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hogwash, all of this.

Asshole isn't a thing. It's an empty word, like calling a Trump supporter hitler, or someone a racist, mesogynist etc.

It's a wonderful container, of which you can simplify and box up people into nice little emotional shamed containers, and justify whatever comes afterwards.

Asshole is that guy who the girl punched well above her weight in order to fuck him. The guy who decided she was worth maybe 8 hours of his time, no more.

He's an asshole, becuase otherwise it's that she pulled in Icarus, and he was the sun.

Asshole is that 'nice guy' who only was kind because he wanted into her pants, then finally had enough and told her "fuck me or fuck you".

He's an asshole, becuase there was the unspoken agreement that he would provide everything she wanted, and paid with the bare minimum of validation it would take to keep him there. he got selfish and wanted more... asshole.

Asshole is Trump, becasue while his comments about rapists and illegal immigrants, or the idea that Americans and 3rd world shitholes are culturally incompatable are perfectly reasonable, rational, and in most cases, true doesn't matter.

He's an asshole, because otherwise I have to admit that I have a fucked up view of the world.

Asshole.

that wonderful word that you fill with all your hatred, and throw at someone.

None of it has anything to do with whether you are getting fucked or not. The words you described before were "cruel" and "protective". Neither one was asshole.

I've had plates during my single years that I treated like absolute shit. I've had some I've treated well. In both cases, my 'asshole' had absolutely nothing to do with anything. What mattered was my physical and social/status (SMV) and whether she thought she 'had' me, or if I was going to leave.

And most of those times, that didn't even matter, they were on the next cock, regardless of what I did. Nature of the beast.

theres nothing wrong with being an asshole, any more than your knitting skills matter when playing hockey

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hit both those notes. Blue ribbon right there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Looking back, I could have put in far less words

Asshole is the word you use to dump all of your insecurities on the other person, without taking action.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe. But, but...Icarus AND Trump in a coherent narrative. Who'd want to miss that?

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump and Rep pill has the same controversy. They cause sjw to look the truth in the eye while knowing they can't admit to what they are seeing.

That and it makes them explode from all that internal turmoil.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can mind trick this. I wear wife beaters under my button down.

So when girls see me wearing around the house I'm not dressed full trailer park, I'm half dressed GQ.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL! As long as I get to show off the delts I'm good with it!

[–]grncld1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That other post struck a chord with me too. I've been annoyed lately that my wife makes a lot of effort when going out with the girls from work. Clothes, hair and makeup etc. While I'm stuck with the harpy bitch in fluffy pj's with her hair scraped back, whining at me and yelling at the kids between her tv shows.

This is totally on me. I have to be the one she wants to impress. I need to be the one taking her places she'll get dressed up for.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is totally on me. I have to be the one she wants to impress. I need to be the one taking her places she'll get dressed up for.

You got all wrong. The problem you have is not her dressing up for you or not. Your biggest problem is that you still enough of a beta bitch to sit up with her whinning in while she is comfortable in front of the tv.

Fix you first. Then lead her to not be that harpy bitch. And if you are attractive enough and can dread her enough she will stop rulling your house and become your wife again.

With a pretty dress and a lacy bra to boot.

[–]uxl1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

...foot powder?

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing says no sex for you toninght as much as smelly feet. Haha

[–]uxl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guess I'm just lucky in that department, lol.

[–]Drmadanthonywayne1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't open that file.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED-5 points-4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

New lessons? None.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, after this weekend, some clear back to basics posts are welcome imo

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Reminders are good. I spend most of my time thinking about career and leading my family at home. I'm thinking about mindset at home, and what shit needs to be done, not what I'm wearing. This sometimes means that I'm in my pajama pants early because I didn't give thought to being attractive. It's got to go.

Last night, we were up late watching a program on TV. She was in her pajamas; I kept wearing my jeans and a nice shirt she likes. It was noticed.

Thanks for the reminder, /u/boesman12.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I used to get out of my work clothes as soon as I got home. Now, I wait until after dinner. I maintain a well dressed, confident leader aura through dinner and into early evening simply by keeping my clothes on for an extra few hours. As you are experiencing, It's noticeable.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One of the major changes I made was to stop wearing shorts and sneakers to work. This is how I feel most comfortable, but I expect my staff to be well dressed and presentable.

My new work clothes has some dread as well because of the two good looking woman I recently appointed. Added benefit was my staff not being bitchy about their work wear policy anymore. Plus I feel like I belong with all those bankers and financiers when I meet with them.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus I feel like I belong with all those bankers and financiers when I meet with them.

I know exactly what you mean.

I also follow the old adage. Don't dress for your job. Dress for the job you want.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember to keep your dress appropriate for the occasion. Don't go to bed in your khaki's and polo shirt wearing your dress shoes....

[–]Boesman12Unplugging[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yip, no new lessons. It was written to clarify the statement of be attractive, don't be unattractive. It seems to me that a lot of the newer guys accept that it is essentially the same thing, which in my mind it isn't.

You can't be well built and trim, wear your clothes like a mannequin but slouch around the house complaining about how hard life is and except that you are attractive just because you look like Hercules.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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