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Read the entire post @ The Family Alpha: http://thefamilyalpha.com/2016/03/30/read-towithand-in-front-of-your-kids/

I have been tracking my reading since 2013 as I thought it would be pretty cool for me to provide a list to my kids when they got a little older, allowing them to see the mental adventures their old man went on throughout his life. My wife, while she does not track her reading – actually reads more than I do. We differ on preference of medium as she loves her kindle and I am more of a physical books kind of guy. Regardless of what you read from, the fact remains that while I speak to married men, this (reading to your kids) isn’t only for the father to do. I believe my wife and I do it the best as we both read with and to our kids as well as ensuring they see us reading.

My Reading list: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016-present

It has been brought to my attention that while I have been promoting reading and setting positive examples for your children, I’ve yet to touch on the subject of the importance of not only reading in front of them, but also reading to them and with them. Interacting with them in a manner where reading is the sole connection & focus.

I have found that establishing routines, rituals, traditions, and standards in your family is of the greatest importance. Reading to your kids is an opportunity for you to facilitate their mental growth in a way that nothing else could ever compare. Whether it is the routine of reading before bed, the tradition of reading A Christmas Carol every December, or the ritual of where everyone sits – getting the drinks prepped – and gathering around whomever is telling the story that night. These memories last a lifetime and the foundation from which you build your family is strengthened when you can bring the tradition, rituals, and routines together with one action – reading.

You don’t know me, you know who I show – but you don’t know the everyday ‘real’ me. I will let you in on a piece of my private nature – I am not a complainer and I cannot tolerate those who are. Instead of talking about a problem or bitching that there is a problem –why not work towards a solution to the issue? Masculine men don’t bitch that their faucet is leaking, yard is fucked up, or kids don’t listen – they fix the fucking issue and move forward.

One of the biggest complaints I hear about children is that they are all about instant gratification, that their faces are always plugged into electronics, and that they do not appreciate the hard work and discipline that was needed back in the day. Guess what PARENT your kid’s issues are direct results of your failure to properly lead them. Every single problem you find in your child should be viewed as a mirror as it is your failure. So, let’s find an answer to the issues, let’s bring about a resolution to your gripes.

Reading is the solution to a majority of your problems.

Read the entire post @ The Family Alpha: http://thefamilyalpha.com/2016/03/30/read-towithand-in-front-of-your-kids/


[–]ford_contourMarried- MRP MODERATOR3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some great books to read out loud to a range of kids ages:

"Little House on the Prairie" Exotic, rugged, alternately scary and delightful. Many volumes.

"The Martian" Little House on the Prairie on Mars.

"Hank the Cow Dog" Hilarious. Quick. Many volumes. Humor plays to lots of different ages.

"Tom Sawyer" Plays to many levels of humor. Lots of little life lessons embedded.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Awesome - thanks, I'm sure the kids will be pumped when a whole shipment of new books arrive.

[–]HephaestusIncognito0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My dad used to read us this one:

Book of Virtues

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for taking the time to recommend this.

I'd never heard of these. I am ordering both the adult as well as 'children's' edition - much appreciated.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude. Wow. Very impressive lists. The Ellis seems like an outlier. His Rules of Attraction was pretty good. Let me recommend some Updike. He's great.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

[–]ford_contourMarried- MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At what's ages did you read "Something Wicked This Way Comes" to your kids?

I'm figuring my oldest is too young, but I'm really looking forward to sharing the trilogy with them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually read that one on my own, but it is the greatest 'Fall' book hands down. Reading that outside while the leaves are changing colors, fucking awesome story.

[–]ColdEiric1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well put, man. Yet another of your great and shamelessly masculine posts.

Don't stop reading. Yourself, to your kids, in front of them. My mother have bought me books, every book I ever wanted. As far as I can remember I was 15 when she started dragging me to libraries and bookstores, and now I buy every single one which might help me. Whenever I am mad at her for reasons, that habit of making me treasure the great and old books so early in my life, that redeems her every time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a solid discipline she instilled, I feel like libraries are underutilized and that is unfortunate because they are fucking awesome. We go to the library weekly and this last trip I put my name in the hat for volunteering and getting on the board of trustees so we will see what comes of that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean this most sincerely when I say that last sentence is one of the most impressive things I've seen on MRP. Such an important cultural institution. Talk about setting a good example for your kids. Kudos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, I try to follow the simple code of Acta, Non Verba

[–]ColdEiric0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just hit over and over and over again why reading is important. Comedies and tragedies, non-fiction and fiction. They'll soon ask the questions of How and What themselves, when you've hammered in the Why in their hearts.

Two things though. One; biographies which fails to mention or flatly hides the person's shitty character, they're shit. If the hero in the biography doesn't have any character traits which are utter shit, if the hero in the biography doesn't need to redeem himself with other superior traits, then that biography ought be used for wiping your ass. Nobody is a faultless, 7 feet blonde dude with a 15 inch cock and a IQ of 200, nobody. No matter how much the author wishes to blow that famous, dead person.

Two; Tragedies are better tools for education than comedies. Because comedies usually end with a chickenshit deus ex machina. Tragedies, on the other hand, end with the hero fought long and hard when he tried to clean up the fucking shit. Tragedies and comedies both imitate life, but tragedies are closer to real life, because, well, you've seen enough happy endings in hollywood's movies. You know what's wrong with the five last minutes of every movie, and ultimately the whole movie, when the story makes sure that the pathetic fuck the audience is rooting for, when that fuck gets the hottest girl.

It might sound like I'm pissing on feelgood-movies with my cock, I'm not. I've just learnt loathe those kinds of stories where the hero doesn't have to endure bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit, where the hero doesn't have to grow. For instance, the only story written these last years with a female hero, where the story doesn't assist her, but decides to fuck with her 24/7, as a story should, it's 'I Am Charlotte Simmons', by Tom Wolfe. Charlotte is a precocious, fit, country girl, and she goes to a Ivy League-ish College, which isn't the most supportive of her family ways. And that story makes Legally Blonde look like kindergarten in comparison.

[–]ford_contourMarried- MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great lists. I'm adding Alice In Wonderland to the up next list.

[–]tim_rp0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

My kids are 3 and 6, don’t play the age card.

There is no age card. You want to give your kids a head start, you start reading from day ONE.

I read something once that suggested you should read 1,000 books to your child before they turn 5. It doesn't matter whether it's 1,000 different books or the same book 1,000 times. And if you think about it, that's barely one book every two days. Every parent should be able to pull that off.

In the beginning, it's less about content and more about engaging with you and your voice. Seriously, read anything - a recipe book or the newspaper. Your one day old child couldn't care less. But you're establishing routine, you're conditioning your child's comfort and enjoyment to the sound of your voice.

In my household, reading to my kids happens every single day, at least before bedtime. And now that my son is a little older, his privilege is that he can read to himself for 15 minutes after his sister goes to bed. See the connection between reading and reward?

Read IN FRONT of them

we will also sit in our living room and read. She will read on the kindle (sometimes a physical book) and I will read on my chair with a book (sometimes the kindle).

This is something I'm grappling with, since most of my reading is via iPad. I discourage screen time, so take pains to point out that I'm reading - not playing games, not watching Youtube videos, not on Facebook. It's a tricky message to impart.

[–]ColdEiric0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is something I'm grappling with, since most of my reading is via iPad. I discourage screen time, so take pains to point out that I'm reading - not playing games, not watching Youtube videos, not on Facebook. It's a tricky message to impart.

Consider spending the money on a kindle paperwhite. It doesn't glare like a smartphone/tablet or a computer screen does, and thus it doesn't keep you up at night. The screen is just like an etch-a-schetch, or how it's spelled. If you read a lot, or planning to, then it might be worth the cost. I bought mine when I noticed that my iPad was too annoying to read at for longer intervals of time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It more of the impression it gives, I understand what /u/tim_rp is saying as I do the same thing. When I'm reading on my Kindle I will call the kids over and show them look at this sentence, blah blah - what I'm actually doing is showing them, Look, Daddy is reading a book and not playing angry birds for hours like all of your friend's faggot fathers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

his privilege is that he can read to himself for 15 minutes after his sister goes to bed. See the connection between reading and reward?

This is actually something I implemented last night, really weird you should bring it up. I read to both of them, tuck my daughter in, then allow my son to either read to me or to himself, he's pumped.

[–]halfasser 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This might seem tripe but I've gone through phases with my kid. Changing diapers (yes I manned up!) and feedings and bedtime involved me singing lots of crap, even the alphabet song. It was mainly for my sanity during the crazy crying days but was the start of her life long learning. Voice and interaction. That morphed into ASL during the day and 2-3 board-books for bed. She's 5 now, knows how to read on her own, and I'm throwing some tough stuff her way (like stories about the underground railroad). I do 99% of the reading for the tough stuff, but its always interactive with the goal of making her think and stretch. Try explaining slavery to a 5 year old, there's so many subtle layers in there and I live for the insightful questions that take effort to answer right.

I also just want to say you're levels above me on reading in general. I've fallen out of that habit for myself and appreciate the post purely on recognizing that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Changing diapers (yes I manned up!)

It's your child, I'd hope you'd be involved. I haven't gotten too deep into the political issues and history (such as slavery, war, etc.) but when I was reading Beowulf I had to explain the relation between Beowulf and the second 'monster'. I won't get too in depth to avoid spoilers, but it was a tricky explanation.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Up until now I have only read sleepy story time books to my children, but because of this I'm gonna switch to a whole book. We can read one decent book every night.

That way they get taught how to follow a story line through several days, delaying the ending, and growing their imaginations.

As always you have provided a hands on, step by step instruction for us slow learners.

Thanks

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Keep on keeping on brother. An awesome series of short chapter books are the Goosebumps books.Be Warned After reading the Werewolf book, my son had nightmares lol

They also like the short classics (really liked Alice in Wonderland) and we blew through several abridged classics like Jekyll & Hyde, Moby Dick, etc. I couldn't find the actual site, but this website [has an example]http://blog.al.com/bargain-mom/2013/10/target_abridged_classics_for_1.html) of the books that are sold for 1$ at target and they are abridged version of the classics.

[–]Boesman12Unplugging0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the input. I have a few books at their level in our native language. Will have to see if I can find translated versions of the classics.

Little Ms. Boesman will love Alice in Wonderland.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll recommend the "Creepover" series for young girls. "You can't come in here" is a good one to start with.

[–]mrpCamperUnplugging0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Wasn't Ready Player One a fun book?
  2. I've never talked to anyone else who read Matterhorn. I really liked it.
  3. I just started The Last Kingdom by Bernard Cornwell and am enjoying it a lot. Great view into masculinity.

I would recommend Joker One by Donovan Campbell.

I totally whole heartedly agree that reading to your kids should be paramount. My wife and I read every night to our younger ones. Or have them read to us. They decide. Sometimes we switch back and forth, page for page. I have done this with such books as Harry Potter to an 8 year old and The Outsiders to a 9 year old.

My older girls (11 and 13) are now voracious readers. In advanced language arts classes etc. They are required, by us, to read 30 minutes a day with a "free reading" book in addition to all other school work. We seldom need to reinforce this. For example, when I woke up this morning my 11 year old was reading her free reading book in the kitchen while eating cereal. Not on her phone, not on her ipad, not watching tv, not still sleeping but up ready for school and already reading. I am 100% positive that this was a direct result of reading Wocket in your pocket, Good Night Moon, or Moo Baa Lalala and many many others to her from the time she was born until she preferred to read in bed by herself each night.

In conclusion, my 11 and 13 year olds have read more books than I have. I am sure this will help them in life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is awesome seeing the results of quality parenting.

I will definitely look into Joker One, my 'to read' book list is growing

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You and I have very similar reading history. Kurt Vonnegut is probably by far my favorite Author.

One book you should add to the list is Freakenomics. As an additon to your post, one of the interesting things they found was that homes with books in them have kids that perform better in school by far. But they also found that it didn't matter if the kids read them. Another thing they found was that kids that tried to get into charter schools, also performed better. It also didn't matter if they got in or not. The basic correlation is that, kids who have parents that are involved with them, do better in general. So go do something with your kids, anything!

Since we seem to have similar reading tastes (Tom Clancey is my version of a romance novel, pure brain masturbation) here's my list to add to what you've read:

  • Into the Storm: On the Ground in Iraq, T. Clancey - Non fiction on the rebirth of the Army, an excellent book on leadership
  • No Country for Old Men, C. McCarthy - An excellent movie, and even better book
  • Tipping Point, M. Gladwell - An awesome book about why trends happen.
  • Dangerous Nation: America's Foreign Policy from Its Earliest Days to the Dawn of the Twentieth Century, R. Kagan - A great book that shows why the rest of the world is better when the US acts unilaterally in foreign policy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Solid recommendations, I'll have these ordered by the end of the day. Always looking for a reason to expand my shelves.

Why do you suppose books affected the kids even if they went unread? Due to the fact that someone was reading them and therefore that someone instilled the knowledge and benefits from reading onto the child?

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I should have added Freakenomics too, forgot that one. They offer an in-depth response to it for sure.

My conclusion was that if a parent takes the time to buy kids books, that in general they are active and involved with their kids. The books are only a sign of that, not causal to the performance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gonna add to that. Parent got me 'hooked on phonics' the entire serendipidy series, all the hardy boys novels before I was 10.

I argue it's probably the #1 reason I was able to excel as well as I did in school.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was a kid who heavily read... I say boredom. I had a lot of spare time on my hands (pre internet) and just being able to fill the time with something value producing had it's effect.

It's like the farmboy. Strong and built as hell, not because parents taught him how to lift, but because he had to throw haybales around as part of his day.

It just normalizes learning, so it's not something you have to dread, study for etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It just normalizes learning, so it's not something you have to dread, study for etc.

This is key as others will flip out that they have to read a book - while kids who read? They just take it in stride.

[–]Ive_Had_Enuf 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'll never understand those that don't enjoy reading. Sure there are a few books that have been a challenge for me (Infinite Jest comes to mind), but once I finished it it became one of my favorite books of all time.

One recommendation for some of the guys that are starting to read longer books to their children - over the holidays I picked up Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - the Illustrated Version (http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Sorcerers-Stone-Illustrated/dp/0545790352). My five year old daughter LOVES it. It's the original unmodified text, with gorgeous artwork to complement the literature. I can't recommend it enough.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's awesome, I bought the Harry Potter set, but getting books like this is something I want to keep doing.

[–]MentORPHEUSTRP Endorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always loved books and have shelves and boxes of them. Good job involving your kids.

Science fiction has always been my favorite. I was glad to see Asimov on the list. I first read I, Robot and the short story Youth around age 10. I'd strongly recommend The Bicentennial Man (movie is good too), and Nightfall which has a short and novel version (both excellent), plus a couple of DREADFUL Bollywood movie versions.

Another favorite SF author is Larry Niven. His first two Ringworld books were great (later ones awful), and he has many short story collections.

Heinlein goes without saying in SF too, but careful what you show your kids and when. I first read about polyamory in Heinlein; kind of surprised my conservative folks left that around for me to read.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is my 2013-2014 Red pill reading list:

https://www.reddit.com/r/redpillbooks/comments/2fae6w/red_pill_books_from_the_professor/

Reading is the solution to a majority of your problems

Can we have an A-men. I am reading "On a Pale Horse" by Zanth Author Piers Anthony to my pre-teen. It deals with Death and he is absolutely soaking it up.

Come on Dad! Let's read death. LOL.

The Great Brain Series is also wonderful for young boys.

[–]gelded_no_more0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So funny. Read the Great Brain books in 6th grade, soaked it up and you can't find them in the bookstores. Great stories about perseverance and making your way.

On a Pale Horse, one of Anthony's funniest and memorable, especially to a young man.

[–]gelded_no_more0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I echo a lot of what has been said here, having seen it with my four kids. They have grown to have vocabularies and reasoning beyond the majority of their peers. We read with and to them all through the ages of eight or so (our youngest is 7 so still a nighttime activity). This, and talking to them like they're adults with the capability to reason.

It was intensely gratifying to hear our 18 year old high school senior daughter complain 2 nights ago that her friends don't know when to use the word "too" and or common contractions, commenting on their intelligence.

Love the reading list and I have read at least 30%. Like many here, I have been reading steadily since elementary school and see it as a key to success.

Reading is the solution to the majority of ones problems? Strong statement but combined with intelligence and insight and understanding of context a lot can be gained in personal life from reading, IMO. I don't think you realize this until you're a few decades in though.

Would like to recommend some additional authors for solid literary fiction:

  1. Haruki Murikami
  2. Philip Roth
  3. John LeCarre
  4. Richard Russo
  5. Pynchon
  6. Don DeLillo
  7. Graham Greene

And of course the plethora of science fiction reads that can be fun and deep (Reading Pratchett right now, terribly funny).

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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