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I had a discussion (if that’s what we call replying to posts on Reddit) with /u/adamalan where he said, “When she pledges till death do us part in sickness and in health for richer or poorer in front of her's and your parents and grandparents who all fulfilled that vow to the end, it is reasonable to expect it to be true.

This stuck with me as it is contradictory to everything that has been put out on this sub. I’ve been subscribed to TRP since before it had 1k subscribers and MRP from the beginning, what I’ve learned is that if one guy is saying something, another 100 are thinking it.

This post is a quick message to those who feel the same as /u/adamalan and a quick reminder to those who may have taken their foot off the gas thinking that they are at a point of ‘relaxation’ (negative).

When your woman vowed to be your wife, she was saying that in that moment and the short term future she would be there till the end. As masculine men who understand female nature, we should know that this is bullshit.

This is for several reasons:

  • She is in marriage to secure a man to provide, protect, and please her. As a Man you own this shit, I am my wife’s Shield and Spear and you should be the same for your lady.

  • She does mean what she says, at that point in time.

  • Don’t follow their words, follow their actions.

  • She will perform at the level you maintain. You get complacent she gets fat. You get weak, she gets bored. You fail to remain a masculine man, she becomes a bitch to you and is looking for chad to spice her life up on the side.

The take away from this is that everything is on you to remain the top dog. The day you get married and become a Family Alpha is the last point that you can have a ‘zero’ day. Her vows don’t mean shit. I would argue that women are utterly incapable of understanding the significance of a vow. As men we feel shit like vows, honor, and commitment on a much deeper level; which is exactly why we are the more romantic of the sexes.

So for /u/adamalan and the other lurkers who believe that your woman’s vow to you means anything, you need to unfuck your mind and get back to reality before you suffer and entirely preventable situation.

View her for what she is, a beautiful, feminine woman. She is a solipsistic, hypergamous, hamster driven woman and you should fucking Love that. The guys who have an issue with this are the ones who are fucked up; out of shape, unmotivated, and unwilling to learn or try to learn more about female nature and the female imperative we are all up against.

Your wife is committed to you so long as you are a man worth committing to. You will find it much more difficult to choose the weak path when you accept that your wife will not always be there. You have to earn her attention work to keep her eyes on you, she measures other men to the bar you set, make sure it's a high fucking standard (thank you /u/IASGame) and you have to work to keep that fire of tingles alive.

Those vows are just words, you need to take action and make the marriage you want happen.

Acta, Non Verba.


[–]MRPguy 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Illimitable Men Maxim #38:

“Marriage is the only legal contract in existence that permits a person to violate contractual terms and then subsequently penalise the party who upheld said terms.”

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That statement makes me do the laugh that's actually sadness, but still a laugh because humor is the only answer to how fucked up and accurate the quote is.

[–]IASGame 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I get what you are saying but at the end it is not that men need to earn the wife's attention, that is not the man being in his own frame.

Men should do their stuff (lift, read, etc), become and stay valuable and keep up with the burden of performance... And then it is the wife that will (hopefully) genuinely want to earn the valuable man's attention. It is possible that she won't want to earn it even though the husband is valuable, and in that case the man shouldn't even bother "earning" her attention, just find someone else.

It seems nitpicky but as a rookie myself this kind of subtle distinction is important.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I should clarify that point, when I said 'wife's attention' I meant keeping her eyes on you and not wandering to other men. She will measure them to the bar you set, so it's your job to set that bar fucking high.

[–]bogeyd6 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

View her for what she is, a beautiful, feminine woman.

It's the alpha who can love a woman for being feminine. Even women tend to lose sight of the strength of their femininity. They view submission and feminine traits as a loss of power. That simply is not the case.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They view submission and feminine traits as a loss of power.

This is where Girl Power and modern day 'feminism' royally fucked up.

In the same sense that men repress their masculinity and it leads to an explosion of rage or depression and self loathing, they made women feel as though submitting to their man is somehow 'bad'.

My wife once said that she loves being a submissive woman and she cried when she said it. I was totally caught off guard as it was like a son coming out of the closet to his dad. I just held her and told her that she was who she was and whether society says submissive woman are good/bad it makes no difference as we walk our own path and FUCK the cookie cut mold people try to place others into.

[–]RPcoyote 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post. I can't help visualizing some men out there trying to hold their wives to their vows "but you said this that and the other" blah blah. How beta would that be? Imagine that: a woman looking at her man who is weak as shit having to bring up "marriage vows" to remind her.

It's blue pill fantasy land and thanks for raising awareness OP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

a contract/word/law is only as valuable as it's enforcement.

Tell me, what enforcement mechanism is out there for infidelity?

you only have a few tools, commitment, affection, and attention. That should be your beginning, and end of expectations... the actions that receive them, and the man they are attached to

[–]IASGame 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The current legal setting of the marriage contract (with no fault divorce and such) doesn't work for the majority of men, precisely because the vows are just fluff.

I think a properly prepared pre-nup can help to enforce against infidelity (in the sense that they may protect the man from divorce rape to some financial extent). But if someone is so well informed about the legal situation to get a rock solid pre-nup prior to marrying, I just wonder why that man marries at all.

If the rules of the game don't work, find a better game to play.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't. common law, only because of co habitation laws.

Just like you said. perhaps, if I was on my game fully, and did all the right steps, then maybe I'm covered, by why work that hard, just to CYA, when you can just... not play?

purearchy FTW. She knows my non-negotiables, I'm pretty magnanomous for the rest

[–]adamalan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

a contract/word/law is only as valuable as it's enforcement.

The current legal setting of the marriage contract (with no fault divorce and such) doesn't work for the majority of men, precisely because the vows are just fluff.

This is key. Marriage is fundamentally broken.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I can't even fathom that happening yet I'm fucking positive that some dude somewhere has brought it up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post. A non-denominational reply here:
 

Those vows are just words

My wife had absolutely no idea what she was saying, and had repeatedly told me that she didn't care about the content of the vows. She told me that custom vows are a meaningless gesture that is done for show. TRP would call that a red flag, but I disagree. She takes a cold and calculating approach to the truths contained in the Red Pill that has made it easy to develop a MAP.
 

in front of her's and your parents and grandparents who all fulfilled that vow to the end

Not true for a majority of the potential brides out there. Even among the ones whose families have no history of divorce, how many consistently honor their spouses in sickness or under times of stress?

[–]nightdepartures1 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

how many consistently honor their spouses in sickness or under times of stress?

A lot, and for a long time, too. Don't let those few statistic anomalies skew your perception of what's normal.

Women put up with a lot of shit. All of us here are living proof of that. Our wives have put up with shit-quality men or shit-quality circumstances for some time, and most have withdrawn in other ways (usually sexually), but they are still here.

As much as it's convenient to blurt AWALT and suggest that wives have no tolerance for sickness, stress, etc., they have proven otherwise to us.

All women have a breaking point where their current situation overrides the vows they made 10-20 years ago. But that applies to us men, too. We are no different in this regard.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As much as it's convenient to blurt AWALT and suggest that wives have no tolerance for sickness, stress, etc., they have proven otherwise to us.

In terms of divorce, true. Women will put up with a lot and stay married. Unfortunately many women cannot treat a man with respect or want to have sex with him on a consistent basis when he becomes sick and dependent, regardless of his attitude. My wife is like that. Many of the wives of my patients are like that. I see it literally every day. I'm glad that you have been spared that aspect of the AWALT stereotype, but many of us have not.

 

But that applies to us men, too. We are no different in this regard

The red pill is for male sexual strategy. Women have problems, but that's not the purpose of this sub or OP's post.

[–]adamalan 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true for a majority of the potential brides out there. Even among the ones whose families have no history of divorce, how many consistently honor their spouses in sickness or under times of stress?

Few to none upheld the honor and obey portion. However there are many parts of the country where it is still yet common to find many families not wrecked by divorce. Though it is becoming less common.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

how many consistently honor their spouses in sickness or under times of stress?

If you're a man who owns his shit, they will put up with weakness longer but never indefinitely.

When I get sick, which is rare I get fucking sick. My wife will do everything in her power to take care of me so long as I treat her as my wife and not mother. I don't whimper or complain, she just knows I'm fucked up and will take the kids, grab me food and drink and do whatever is needed. This is a day or two, if I were to go past that, BAM her kindness is over.

Women want men, they cannot help their nature. If your business is going under, you better vent to the dog. If you're sore from the gym, you can discuss but do not complain. She is there as your wife, never mother.

Keep that straight and you'll be square.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

funny, I rolled my ankle last week, she's been decently supportive, but theres been a few times where I basically had to establish this as temporary, and her being a cunt is still unacceptable

fucked an awful lot that week.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here except I had insane puke and shit going on, it was rough. I was still the fucking man. Tending to her and the kids while I was pretty sure I would pass out.

It was nice having her go out and buy me a heated blanket, it's like a human toaster, fucking amazing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

wish I could remember the post, think it was rollo...

Gist of it was that it was wrong to hold a woman to the standards of honesty and integrity that you would hold a man to, they just aren't wired that way.

Can't trust the woman, but you can always trust the woman to be a woman. for better or worse

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't trust the woman, but you can always trust the woman to be a woman. for better or worse

Red Pill Poetry

[–]DCharlieW 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, I have seen plenty of guys who see their wife as a shoulder to cry. They get home and just complain about work and everything else to their wives. The second she finds a real man I can see her running as fast as she can to him.

[–]donandhal16 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Excellent post

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks

[–]adamalan 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with what you're saying.

My point wasn't that vows keep a marriage together but that in many cases it was an entirely reasonable expecation that marriage was forever.

But we're living through a fundamental change in the fabric of human society here. Its the two sets of books problem Rollo speaks of.

When reading the second set of books, its crazy to think marriage will last. But as a young man immersed in a world that seemed to be governed by the first set of books, it was a reasonable expectation.

You are right, the vows don't keep the marriage together. Actions do. And consequences. Marriage is work. Vows and promises don't preserve a marriage. But those vows were supposed to be the good faith promise to put the work into marriage required to keep it together.

The problem is marriage 2.0 is fundamentally broken. If the vows can't be taken at face value, if she won't be held to them, then the entire edifice is invalid. In legal terms we'd call it fraudulent inducement. And slavery. The woman makes a false vow she doesn't have to be held to, to enter a contract she can get out of at any time while the man is held responsible to it to the extreme, even after she renegs on her side.

While a woman may mean it 'in the moment', marriage is a contract and contracts have no 'in the moment'. The problem with marriage 2.0 isn't the woman, its the fact that the vows have been made meaningless by the legal construct that has taken over. But even more important is the society, which has gone from supporting and defending marriage to trying to destroy it at every turn.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Excellent points and most of which I agree with. But now that you do see reality for what it is you have a sort of 'advantage'.

to enter a contract she can get out of at any time while the man is held responsible to it to the extreme

There is a loophole to this. If you are the top dude, you can do whatever it is you want and she will stay. It's the adage of, Women would rather share an alpha than own a beta if you can get yourself to that top 1% of men physically AND mentally, then the ball is in your court and you can make your marriage operate on your terms.

[–]adamalan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

IOW, there is no contract, there is only you. And so if you're good enough, you can set the terms at any time.

[–]SDSAM21 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Share.... Than own. Tru' dat. I've seen this in action.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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