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Blue Pill for many years, increasingly aware and working on the change. While BP, I made several decisions that sacrificed my career interests in favor of my wife's career interests. There were several moves involved. I'm sure the downsides of this are obvious to you. On the upside, the moves did give us some amazing experiences that we would not have had otherwise.

I think the Red Pill requires us to be brutally honest with ourselves. My question, however, is whether it always requires us to be honest with others. In the abstract, I would think it would be Red Pill to be truthful and make no apologies. However, there seem to be some situations where being truthful can have tangible, adverse consequences.

It is not ususual in cocktail party type of conversations for people to ask "So, why did you move to X?" "Why did you do Y?" Honestly? Because my wife had a good job opportunity; oh, that? I did that because my wife... That is the truth of my past. But (a) as I have become aware, this sounds cringeworthy coming out of my mouth; and (b) I can see many people's behavior toward me change for the worse if I say these kinds of things. When the complete truth has the tangible effect of causing people to treat me like second class citizen, then I figure I don't owe them the complete truth. Now I tell people that I chose to have some cool experiences rather than following a linear career path, which is not untrue.

What do you think?


[–]fuckmrpRed Beret7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think your frame sucks if you think you need to give everyone an honest answer or any answer at all.

So, why did you move to X? Because I have a warrant out in Y.

Or maybe you can't be a smart ass so you say it presented better opportunities for your family.

When the complete truth has the tangible effect of causing people to treat me like second class citizen, then I figure I don't owe them the complete truth

The only person you need to be completely truthful with is yourself.

[–]BobbyPeru5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WISNIFG and NMMNG have the answer. You don't owe anyone an explanation for anything.

Also, 48 laws of power would be a good read for you:

Law 4 - Always say less than necessary

Law 5 - So much depends on your reputation - guard it with your life

[–]screechhaterRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the point of all this? It's to hammer home the point that lifting is absolutely required for the MRP man. There is no downside and the upside is enormous. There is a reason it's a cornerstone piece of advice in this forum. Even older guys will benefit. It does piss me off that I took so long to get this advice and I am going to make damn sure my son understands the value of lifting."

read this MRP sub STFU, read , Lfit

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell them you had to move a lot because your personal mission in life is to eat at every Cracker Barrel in the USA.

[–]TurdDoctor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I get where you are going with this but your post lacks specifics. What’s most important is what you think of yourself and where you choose to take your future, second place is how you interact with your wife regarding your future (don’t bitch about the past to her). Last place is what you say to others, who cares what people think at a cocktail party. Tell them an interesting story like you went a certain way because you were in the witness protection program, or you were following your dream of pursuing competitive ping pong, then make a joke and move on.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I don't feel like answering, I say "Insanity."

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Be truthful. Don't be autistic, socially awkward, and don't share everything. If you don't feel like sharing, bend and move the conversation around that part.

Remember, you are only communicating something like 30% with your mouth at these cocktail events. 70% is body language. Are you saying this stuff with a smile, standing tall, proud, and with a slight smirk?

"So, why did you move to X?" "Oh, my wife was doing her fellowship there." AND MOVE ON.

"Why did you do X for a career?" "I've always had a interest in fixing XYZ problems, and such and such naturally seemed to fit." AND MOVE ON. No mention that "Oh, my wife had a great job offer and we moved for her."

If you say "I did that because my wife...", you are demonstrating lower value. Become someone who is demonstrating higher value in word and deed.

[–]SimilarSalvation1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be truthful. Don't be autistic, socially awkward, and don't share everything

Beware you don't get tangled in your own lies, though.

You don't own anyone the truth but yourself, but you also need to be the best man you can ever be, and they don't lie...

[–]AmericanViking640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

"I felt like we needed an adventure."

"It was time to shake things up".

As long as your relaxed and not trying to DEER it can work in your favor. If you are pressed for more info,

"There were a lot of factors that played into my/our decision." And just fog that message.

You have to come to terms with your own conscience though. If you are passively pissed at your wife or your former self you will risk coming off like a butt hurt faggot.

Own every square inch of your past and present and you will sound confident and as if you were in charge the entire time.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do you.

Your life. Live it your way. That's the point here. As long as you are in your frame there is no one that can judge you.

There will be some Red Pill men that will say you have to make tons of money. Be on the track to be the next Mr Universe. These things don't hurt, and they are things that any man can achieve if he puts his mind to it.

Thing is....they don't make a man red. I've said it before but I have seen millionaires, well paid ad execs, men with thier lives seemingly on track that can buy and sell whatever they want, and still they chase the one thing they can't buy/sell.

Happiness.

There is no such thing as brutal truth. There is just truth. It's brutal because we avoided it for so long, and telling yourself nicer things was easier. Women put thier heads down and hope things get better. They will work tirelessly at keeping status quo no matter what that is. Rarely do they build a place that gets them out. It's always the here and now. Tomorrow is tomorrow's problem.

Men build futures. We don't exist in what if, nor in the could be. This is where the truth hides. We don't tell ourselves stories because it makes it better, if the truth is really not desired then....say the bare minimum.

Smirk at her Laugh at yourself It's all bullshit in the end

None of us are getting out alive.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why ask? You clearly have the answer already. Want reassurance that you can judge yourself properly?

you got it man, go getum

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your job (or "career" if you prefer) is not your life. Your life is your life; your job is just a part of that. If the moves gave you amazing experiences, focus on that - you moved for the adventure.

[–]CrippleSlap0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks? Seriously.

You don't even have to read the sidebar to answer that.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Post 1RM numbers on the big 5 lifts.

What have you read

Why does it matter that your story is 'heard' in order for you to get to work?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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