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So, you like a guy and you’re wondering if you should take your relationship to the next level. Below, I’ve listed some of the important traits you should consider before embarking on a serious relationship. It’s filtered through my own tastes and preferences, but I’ve tried to make it general enough so that it applies to women in general. For some of the options, there's no right or wrong answer, but it's important that you're both on the same page.

  • Conscientiousness/follow through. When he says he’ll do something, does he do it? Or is he a terminal procrastinator? Is he dependable?
    • Nagging is unattractive to men, so get a man who doesn’t need to be nagged and will do the things he’s supposed to do without you having to play the role of his mother. Common advice here is not to nag a man and to inspire him to do his best by being loving and attentive. News flash: this only works if your husband isn’t an irresponsible slob.
    • In a similar vein: cleaning. Is his house decently organized? Are there giant piles of dirty dishes in his sink? Are all of his belongings in huge piles, or neatly stowed away? Does he arrive at events on time? All of this is tied to conscientiousness.
  • Attitudes about money.
    • How much does he spend on luxuries, like eating out and going on trips? How much does he save every month? 40% of adults cannot cover an emergency expense of $400, which means that a majority of adults are grossly financially irresponsible. To what extent does he value “enjoying the moment” vs. saving for the future?
    • Is he generous? Does he want to treat you, or does he expect you to Venmo you back the $3.32 for coffee? Is he comfortable with you treating him? (The extent to which your finances are entangled will probably change over the course of your relationship as your status goes from date>girlfriend>long term girlfriend>wife, but enduring attitudes about money will not.)
  • Family.
    • Is he on good terms with his parents? Will his family make your life difficult? Did his parents model a healthy relationship when he was a child? Do they expect to have a role in raising potential future children? Do they have different cultural expectations than your family? How loyal is he to them (e.g. would he loan his sister money or let her stay at his house if she was down on her luck)? What kind of family dynamic does he want with you?
  • Attitudes about work.
    • Some people consider their job to be a focal point in their life. Some consider it a life goal to earn as much as possible. Others consider their job just something they do so they can live a comfortable life. Where does he fall on the spectrum? How much of his life and energy does he want to devote to work, vs. other things (like hobbies, spending time with you, raising a family)?
    • Are you on the same page with regards to having children? Do you have similar philosophies about what role the parents should play in child rearing?
  • Dealing with conflict.
    • Sometimes, you’ll need to be direct and tell him that something about his behavior needs to change, or you’ll need to address a problem in the relationship. Is he open to criticism? Or does he get angry and lash out? Does he refuse to talk about certain things, or get prickly and irritated often?
    • When he comes to you with problems, is he tactful and direct? Or does he stew in his own discontentedness before he finally explodes? Does he readily tell you about things that bother him and provide a reasonable solution?
  • Emotional Calm/Stoicism. Does he complain a lot? Does he panic when things don’t go according to plan?
  • Respect.
    • Does he respect you? Does he value your opinions and preferences? Is he respectful to your friends and people like service and retail workers?
    • Alternately, do people respect him? Will he be a doormat if other people mistreat him or you? Can he stand up for himself?
  • Humor! Does he make you laugh? Do you feel relaxed and happy around him? Or do you feel like you’re putting on a performance?

Things I think are OVER emphasized when it comes to relationships:

  • Shared music/hobbies/TV shows. I consider this to be the icing on the cake, not a core part of the relationship. If you can spend extended periods of time together and enjoy each others' presence, that's good enough. If you have fun hobbies you share, all the better. But I don’t think it’s by any means important that you like the same music, TV shows, or activities as long as you can spend time together while enjoying yourselves. He can go hiking with his friend Paul and you can play the violin on your own time. It's important that you have lives outside of one another.

This is my opinion, and the things I thought about when considering my relationship. Interested to hear others' thoughts on the matter, too.


[–]snackysnackeeesnacki18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, your first point is SO true and hits close to home for me. My partner has always been on the ball and even now mostly takes care of his responsibilities. However he has struggled with depression and other health issues the last 8 months after we had a serious loss. We have gotten to a place recently where he has even missed work due to staying in bed and sleeping. His memory is off/he has mental fog so he has let some things slide at home as well.

I read something on here awhile back where a woman asked for advice on her husband basically refusing to work and there was a comment that said something like “he needs to understand that providing for his family is not optional”. That was so helpful to me in framing how to approach him. Being understanding and reassuring him was NOT helping the situation. I finally told him it was really stressing me out that he was being inconsistent with work and sleeping so much. I’m trying to not suggest things or make specific demands (though I slip often :/) but I’m glad I told him how I was truly feeling. He is now making a real effort to improve. Even though the process is slow I KNOW his baseline is to be a responsible and accountable leader, and so I am willing to be patient.

(Sorry for ranting/hijacking thread).

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is lucky to have you <3 Depression and health issues can be terrible, and sometimes appealing to someone's sense of duty and responsibility can be a more effective way to help them climb themselves out. Hope he continues to improve.

[–]snackysnackeeesnacki17 points18 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Another thing I think is overemphasized is agreeing on politics. That used to be one of my top considerations in a partner. With my SO now I see how important it is to share the same values... but that won’t always translate to the same political stances.

[–]knc2172 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree to an extent. Obviously agreeing on everything would be impossible, and frankly, rather boring! But some political stances are indicative of moral values; e.g. I think abortion is immoral, so I could not date someone who is supportive of it, as we would also have clashing morality. But I absolutely agree when it comes to non-moral matters, such as the government's role in environmental protection or the best way to address the opioid crisis.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree

Edit: based on discussion below, v. important to some people

[–]Userdataunavailable 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, I broke up with a guy because he liked Trump. I took a long shower after too. Once I hear that come out of his mouth it was 100% over.

[–]snackysnackeeesnacki6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH it would be same for me. But my feelings about the president go deeper than specific political positions.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

With that attitude I'm sure he was glad you did him the favor.

[–]Userdataunavailable 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

It was happily mutual. By the way, we are both Canadian. That's how polarized the rest of the world is with your whatever is going on government.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't surprise me that it's mutual. The right looks down on anyone on the left that gets that worked up and obviously you know how the left feels.

It's seriously a bit crazy to feel that intensely when you aren't even living in the country. It's crazy enough when you are an American. The US constitution is based on checks and balances of power. No one man can destroy the country in a term. People are irrational over this. And irrational is never a good look on a woman you are considering dating.

[–]Userdataunavailable 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

A man who thinks it's ok to say "Grab her by the pussy" is a bad look in a man you are considering dating.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not trying to debate politics with you. There are quite a few things that look very different on the right and the left. That comment is one of them.

My point to you is that getting worked up and not being able to see another's perspective is bad. If you are incompatible with someone then you don't continue dating. Fine.

If you had to take a shower, that is an indication that you are being irrational over the topic. Learn to confrol that. It will get you much further with men if they don't think you have 'crazy-lady' running through you.

And if you didn't act as crazy as your initial comment sounds, then you are virtue signaling to us now. Don't do that either.

[–]Userdataunavailable 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not debating with you. I just think that for me different political spectrums wont work in a romantic relationship but can in friends. You are way over reacting to something you imagined in my comment. Leave me alone.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure. You obviously know what you are doing with your own life. You've just never been here before and what you said is a bad example for others of how to behave. Ta!

[–]Guywithgirlwithabike3 Stars-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"We are still friends though" = "Now I'm his plate!"

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ladies...let's play nice here. we don't have to tear each other down.

Edit: why are you coming on women's forums to say rude things to people

[–]imanewwoman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not crazy when his decisions are influential all over the world.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's crazy to have an emotional reaction because you disagree over something.

[–]Guywithgirlwithabike3 Stars4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately the US doesn't care what its vassal states have to say.

Just pray we never run out of wood or maple syrup and you'll be fine.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Disclaimer: I’m in the US so this may not apply in other places. Yes, I’m kind of country, so this may not apply for urbanites. I hope some of this is useful. Here it goes:

A man’s car will tell you a lot. I chose to continue with my husband based on this 1994 Chevy S10. The first time he drove me home from our evening dance class (where we met). I simply said, hey, I like your truck! And he told me all about it, and himself: because it demonstrated the following:

1) sensibility: It was 2007 and we were in college. It was a decent quality vehicle to be paid for, but not so nice he was making payments. It was reasonable. It was obvious mom and dad didn’t buy this for him. It was 4 wheel drive, but not overkill on power. Plus it wasn’t a huge diesel, or more truck than he needed (the stereotype is true, they compensate for all kinds of things with more cylinders/horsepower).

2) good family: It was in great mechanical shape with low mileage. Which means that he had a strong network of older adults around him from whom he could purchase a car. (He told me this story later of how he bought it from his grandfather’s friend, which says volumes about the relationship strength of his family and their social standing.) He also mentioned about changing his brakes and oil himself. Means he’s handy and likely has a father who taught him how to do this.

3) work ethic and planning: he had a solid enough summer employment and grit to save money to buy a decent car and pay for his own school each year.

4) lifestyle: the truck was in good mechanical shape and clean, but not too clean. He took pride in his car, but it wasn’t “his baby”. It did work. There was still dirt in the bed from an odd job he did earlier in the week. (But he didn’t leave his tools back there.) There were .22 bullets rattling around in the center console.

5) he drove with the windows down whenever possible. His music wasn’t the angry white boy stuff, just chill and not douchey. The kind of guy who can enjoy the moment.

It’s best not to rely on what a man tells you, and instead watch him.

Edited for grammar and typos.

[–]MissNietzsche5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it wasn’t “his baby”

I always felt like a prick for cringing whenever a guy said this. I'm glad it wasn't unsound.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, how someone treats their belongings can be very telling!

I'm in a city though so basically no one in my social circle has cars ;)

[–]ThatStepfordGalEndorsed Contributor6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s important to also balance the money aspect. Some men concentrate so much on money and they will never live during the moment, especially if that is the attitude of their family and culture. A good guy knows how to enjoy moment and save some, not living like a slave worker who is too caught in the numbers or a free spirit hippie.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree! That's one of the questions I don't consider there to be a right answer for, beyond a minimum level of responsibility.

[–]Beeswaxed3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looooove this thank you!

[–]arabianhuntress1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes good post

[–]Livetomeya0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

$400 doesn't sound right for an ER visit. Especially if you have to go by an ambulance which is not covered by insurance. Do you live in America?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The statistic is for Americans, but I don't know what the ER has to do with anything.

[–]Livetomeya2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

emergency expense

Sorry, my mind automatically thought of the emergency room.

[–]GoneMYway0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Emergency doesn't mean specifically hospital.

A $400 emergency could be your car blowing a head gasket, puncturing a tyre or a buckling a wheel.

A pipe bursting in your house?

Emergency means a lot.

The statistic is to show how few people have even just $400 in savings.

[–]Livetomeya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oooh my bad sorry!

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