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[–]kekeraeMarried 5 yrs, Mother of 219 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Women are bad at putting themselves first."

Yep, that's what maternity and parental leave was for me. Just putting myself first all the time. Long bubble baths and glasses of wine over candlelit suppers with my husband. /s HA!

Maternity and parental leave isn't a "perk", it's biology. By biology I mean physically and emotionally recovering and then bonding with a little person. I spent the first 6-8 weeks of leave bleeding and handling the glamours of hemmorhoids and leaking painful breasts. Then after getting out of the initial trenches of postpartum emotions and complete sleep deprivation we moved into the world of constant developmental changes which meant having to always adapt to a new sleep schedule and finding new ways to stimulate baby so that they are getting the love and rest and attention and learning opportunities they need. Oh, did I mention my husband left for 6 months to train for a new career when the baby was 12 weeks old?

This lady is hilarious. If you want you time then I guess you should save money for a vacation or take a sabbatical or something.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TBH I truly think a good number of women (who have never had a baby) are blissfully ignorant of human anatomy and biology and the reproductive system. It's not taught in most schools. Sex ed isn't reproductive ed - it's gonorrhea 101. So I DO think there is just a general sense of ignorance to why 6-8 weeks is NEEDED medically for recovery.

[–]kekeraeMarried 5 yrs, Mother of 20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree with you on that.

[–]BellaScarletta18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

parents on staff left the office at 6 p.m. to tend to their children, while it was assumed co-workers without kids would stay behind to pick up the slack.

This isn't a case for why women need a "meternity" leave...it's a case for why women shouldn't be in the workforce full-stop. But hey, that's just me.

which is, to me, a sabbatical-like break that allows women and, to a lesser degree, men

Lol of course.

It seemed that parenthood was the only path that provided a modicum of flexibility.

HAHA. Who has a kid and says "thank god my child changed my life to give me all that extra flexibility." This woman is delusional.

One friend made the decision to leave her corporate career to create her own business; another decided to switch industries. From the outside, it seemed like those few weeks of them shifting their focus to something other than their jobs gave them a whole new lens through which to see their lives.

Yes, it's absolutely the few weeks away from work that gave them a new lens. Not, you know, the entire other human that just changed their whole life.

Burnout syndrome is well-documented in both sexes, but recent research suggests that women may experience it at greater rates; researchers postulate that it’s because women (moms and non-moms alike) feel overloaded by the roles they have to take on at work and at home.

Lol I refuse to believe the "roles they have to take on...at home" affects moms and non-moms alike. What roles do non-moms have in the home that could even begin to compare to a mom? Also a mom presumably (with exception, of course) has a male counterpart at home, whereas as a non-mom may or may not. If you're taking on all the house-responsibilities of two people (read: your SO is a slacker who does nothing) then sure, maybe that would get burdensome. But I'm so very skeptical that demographic alone is who is being referenced here, in which case I'm failing to see how women have it worse than men in any way that warrants what she's suggesting.

Bottom line: Women are bad at putting ourselves first

Are we? Are we really?

You know, that's the problem with these modern Western women. They're just so bad at putting themselves first.
/s

but I grappled with self-doubt

It's like she grazed the surface of self-awareness, and then just floated away.

I want kids in the future

But wait?

Meghann Foye, 38

AWKWARD.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

My Profs at Uni were on a Yay Women kick and whenever I looked up the actual study women came out looking just like people.

Yay! Women are the breadwinner in 1 out of 3 households. But when you take the 1 and break them out 2/3ds of them are single mom's. So that's only 11% of partnered women earning more than their husbands. The Pew Study aslo danced around all the single dad's like myself that are the breadwinner.

Men aren't doing enough housework! But when you add up time spent doing paid labor, housework, and childcare the split is 49.9/50.1 men to women. (another Pew)

Another article builds on sexist heating by arguing that commutes are sexist. In towns where commutes are longer women opt out. The men work more hours and have similar commutes, but it impacts women more.

[–]BellaScarletta2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting comment, thanks for sharing it. I don't know enough about Pew to take all those stats at face value, but those numbers are largely what I would expect - most specifically the fact that men's and women's household contribution essentially align when you factor like the variables in. I don't think most women are the martyrs they're made out to be.

Another article builds on sexist heating by arguing that commutes are sexist. In towns where commutes are longer women opt out. The men work more hours and have similar commutes, but it impacts women more.

Lol at sexist commutes. Commutes aren't sexist, women are less competent. That's not a bad thing because the subject at hand is masculine - of course women are less competent at being men. It's not just the commute, it's everything relating to work.

Women are less likely to work long hours, less likely to accept commutes, less likely to prioritize work over most of the rest of their lives, more likely to value time off, and in general overall more likely to accept lower pay in exchange for any of those perks.

The problem is that's isn't a problem as far as I'm concerned, but people make it out to be one. IMO women, men, and society at large are all better served when both sexes play to their strengths. The workforce really isn't a female strength and I'm not sure why saying so is terribly offensive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Anything that causes a value to appear off the White CisMale trendline is -ist. Commutes, air conditioning, working hours, entrance exams, credit reports, law codes et al.

[–]BellaScarletta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You certainly won't hear me disagree with that assessment.

[–]EGOtyst0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

split is 49.9/50.1 men to women.

What do you mean by this statement?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of all work performed by a household: working for pay, housework, and childcare, men are doing 49.9% of the total labor and women are doing 50.1%. Men do far more paid labor and women do more child care and housework, but in the end the 'duty time' is statistically equal

[–]EGOtyst0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok, that is what I thought you meant. Basically, men and women, in general, split work in the house evenly.

Got it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, no. The point of the article is that men aren't doing enough housework and childcare. I had to extract the percentages above from their charts to figure out that the issue was a non-issue.

[–]EGOtyst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha. I read that article a long time ago and didn't remember the "men aren't doing their share" portion. You are correct. Thanks.

[–]BellaScarletta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My interpretation is that despite the fact women do more in the home, when you factor in employment/labour/childcare/housecare/etc/etc - it maths out very fairly.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Perks of maternity leave".... in a country that has some of the worst maternity leave of all developed nations in the world. Did that part just go over her head?

[–]Zombies_InTheSnow[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No this isn't satire! Saw this on t_d and just had to share with you ladies

[–]Rivkariver4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My response to this is Lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ohhhh I remember this b-tch. She's changed her story several times. I recall something about how she said it was all supposed to be a joke, that she wasn't trying to say women should just get time off. She took a break/sabbatical and wrote a book or something.

I don't care for her at all, and I'll never read her book, but from a PR standpoint - there's been a lot of controversial buzz about her - which is basically free advertising.

I think women should take maternity leave. In an ideal world, new mothers would not work for at least the first year after birth (I don't think this time should be paid leave however). I also don't think that parents should be given special considerations over and above single employees. I know that when it comes to scheduling shifts and vacations, some places are good about following seniority, but other places will give parents first pick. I would have zero patience if I worked in an office and had to cover for, or saw a coworker get off the hook due to their kid.

I know a woman that works two jobs (or more) for a year solid, saving up every penny she makes. Then she quits and spends an entire year travelling and doing whatever she wants. I think it's an interesting approach, and I certainly would not be able to do what she does (saving for the future is too important to me).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Aren't Sabbaticals paid?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can run the gamut from no pay, partial, and full-pay. I'm sure it varies depending on the field, company, and what the person intends to do etc. In the case of the woman this thread is about, I believe she quit her job so she could travel and work on this book.

[–]jerculees0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"I also don't think that parents should be given special considerations over and above single employees."

Why not? I give preference to parents every time. Singles have no responsibilities, nothing to go home to, and their money pretty much goes to hedonism only. Maybe I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, as I have no kids, but parents are the only ones who have a stake in the future. Childless women have no value other than as fuck toys and worker drones.

"I know that when it comes to scheduling shifts and vacations, some places are good about following seniority, but other places will give parents first pick. I would have zero patience if I worked in an office and had to cover for, or saw a coworker get off the hook due to their kid."

Reminds me of this slag who worked for me and quit because I wouldn't give her time off to tend to her sick dog. Her reasoning to me was that because I let parents have time off to tend to their sick children, I should grant her the same consideration for her pets lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gee, you sound like an absolute peach.

Why not? I give preference to parents every time. Singles have no responsibilities, nothing to go home to, and their money pretty much goes to hedonism only.

Your assumptions about how unmarried people live is pretty ridiculous. What about over 40 singles? What about someone that's childless and married? Do you know every single thing about your employees lives? I think it's pretty arrogant and wholly false to pretend that single people don't have obligations to family, friends, or a relationship.

Maybe I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, as I have no kids, but parents are the only ones who have a stake in the future. Childless women have no value other than as fuck toys and worker drones.

Okay. You are either psychotic, or a disgusting piece of trash. So you hold that same belief for men too, right? Childless men are just f-ck toys, have no value, and worker drones. You're childless (and I assume?) a woman - are you worthless? Are you doing your 'duty' and f-cking every man you meet?

Reminds me of this slag who worked for me and quit because I wouldn't give her time off to tend to her sick dog. Her reasoning to me was that because I let parents have time off to tend to their sick children, I should grant her the same consideration for her pets lol.

So the only reason you show compassion or consideration for someone is if it has to do with their child? Are you stupid enough to believe that parents are always 100% on the up and up, never exaggerate or lie about something that's going on just to get out of their?

Biologically, everyone is supposed to pass on their genes (that can), but we are not lions or animals with no higher functions and purpose. People create, build, innovate, and 100% games. No one is obligated to live an inspiring or great life - just the one they want to.

You sound like an overly simplistic cretin and I feel sorry for anyone that works for you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Um, isn't that called a "VACATION" ?!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

sab·bat·i·cal səˈbadək(ə)l/

noun

  1. a period of paid leave granted to a university teacher or other worker for study or travel, traditionally one year for every seven years worked.

"she's away on sabbatical"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Imagine that! Being paid to go away! And no stretch marks!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm at 29wk and no marks yet ... you think they'll still come?

[–]violetpiecrisis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mine showed up at week 39 with my first. I only got three more small ones with my second. Honestly, after they fade and your skin tightens up they're so hard to see its not even worth fretting over.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No because you are superhuman. :)~

I have a lady friend who birthed 7 kids and not one mark. She's very athletic and has a rockin body for early 40's.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

YUSSSSSS

[–]kekeraeMarried 5 yrs, Mother of 21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe. I had some surprise ones on my tummy that I literally didn't even see until after my post birth shower. I have them all over my thighs and bum but they have faded a lot. Hoping to avoid new ones this pregnancy.

[–]okaygirl1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entitlement is so strong with this one I couldn't even get to the end

[–]--cunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can kind of get behind what she's saying, it does come across as very entitled, and I think asking for maternity leave for non-mothers is taking it a bit too far. But I think a lot of women don't want to be career women, and unfortunately have to in today's economic climate.

Me personally I've read a little bit of surrendered wife and got to the bit where it said you shouldn't be afraid to ask for less time at work. Now my fiancé cherishes his alone time, and working 16 hours less a pay period (one day a week) would be a hefty chunk of my pay. But I asked my boss for a more regular schedule. Which is not at all a thing at my workplace... except for him to accommodate him & his wife's childcare, and another woman who has a child. I really fought for it, and while I'm not working 9-5 Mon-Fri, I'm not closing and then opening the next morning. I can schedule me-time after work and my anxiety is better and I'm more pleasant, and for once I feel like I have time to clean and cook regularly instead of maybe on one of my weekends off. I dunno, and I felt like an entitled brat asking for that because I DONT have kids yet, I don't need to be home at a set time to take care of everything. But being having the time to take care of my home and myself and my fiancé is just as important to me even though we don't have children yet

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