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How old are you and how familiar are you with RPW? I have been a lurker for about a year. I'm new to Reddit and a friend introduced me to the Red Pill. I finally made an account just to get advice for my marriage. What is your relationship status? I have been married for three years. What is the problem? (Don’t badmouth your SO!)

The problem is with me and I'm not sure how to fix it. It's hard to figure out what my husband expects of me. I'm thinking it might be clear as day but I can fail at seeing the obvious so that's why I thought this community could help. I am a SAHM with our first baby girl who has just turned a year old. I am not sure if he wants me to get a job or not. I budget the finances so that we can save up for a house ( which he expected to have awhile ago) have some free money to travel, and then all the necessities. We are trying to gain 20,000 for a down payment. We can either live more towards our comfort and wait a couple years or we could either cut deep into our finances for a year, or I could get a job for nights and weekends. This however would cut into his free time. He'd have to take over night time feedings, baths and bedtime. I understand for his well being that this time is usually his down time since he just got out of work. I have been doing these since she was born and I know he'd burn out fast. He is upset we haven't saved for a house yet but he is also upset about how I dress and look. Going to the Salon and clothing stores is expensive and he'd definitely get upset but I need a hair cut and new clothes. I'd look ten times better with these things and look so much more attractive but he doesn't want to spend the money in those areas. I do the best with what I have but I noticed he looks at girls who spend a lot more money and wishes I'd look more like that. When I told him I also wished I looked like that he said I can't compare myself to rich people. So I asked if maybe I should get a job and he said, "ok let's just put Audrina up for adoption then." Or something along those lines. I understand what he is saying. I would just like to know how I can be frugal but still look made up for him. I am already planning on getting a job as a teacher once she's in preschool. Another question is how could I be more productive during the day. I clean up the house, cook dinner and take care of our daughter but he seems like he thinks all I do is eat all day. Maybe there's something I could do that'd make me more productive. I know that I do a lot and am busy but I'm serious, I would like to impress him. I really want to impress him with my looks, my mothering skills, my productivity and my frugalness so any advice would be so appreciated, thank you. How have you contributed to the problem? I have contributed by not always being good with budgeting. I now have a budgeting binder and planner. I attempt at being organized. However sometimes I forget things. I forget to go to the store, pay a bill amongst other things. If any one has advice at not being so forgetful I'd also very much appreciate it. Sometimes just wearing yoga pants all day and having my hair up in a bun. Should I dress up even if I'm not going anywhere or just going to the store. Also I'm addicted to sugar and he wants me to lose weight which I desperately want to as well. I need a good exercise and diet plan that is inexpensive and doesn't take all my time and attention.

How long has this been an issue?

Since I have been a STAHM

What have you done to resolve this problem?

I made a budget binder I try to keep up to date. I do my hair and make up everyday and make sure little things like his laundry are done. I also try to pay better attention when he is talking to me about these things.

How long have you been together? 6 1/2 years Is your relationship long-distance? No Do you have an active bedroom life? I try to keep it active even if it's just a blow job but so far it's been like once a week because of the baby. I co sleep otherwise she won't sleep.

EDIT: Since my account is brand new the mods are taking down my replies. Thank you everyone for the amazing comments. Your suggestions are good ones that I am going to put into action. I will make an update after I take everyone's advice, yes everyone because every single comment was helpful. I understand I need to talk to him and not need so much validation from him. While I can always improve I just need to work at communicating more clearly with him. So, I'm going to talk to him tonight and take the rest of the advice and give an update.


[–]StingrayVC14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To your looks, believe him when he says to you not to compare yourself to women in a different situation. Do the best you can with what you've got. Don't discount second hand stores, as well. If you look carefully, you might be surprised by what you find in them.

To your sugar addiction, the only way to beat this is to give it up. Some people like to phase it out and some people like to go cold turkey. If you go cold turkey, you might feel like hell for a few days (known as the carb flu, I think). After about a month, you will be surprised at how wonderful you feel and how little you crave anything junky at all. It is a very difficult month, but it will be worth it. Research things like paleo diet, low carb, and keto. IMO, after that first month, in a lot of ways losing weight like this is easier because you don't have the cravings.

Also look into lifting weights. You will look better faster than with just aerobic exercise. Since you are trying to save money, you could search youtube for body weight exercise routines.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are definitely ways to look cute without spending a ton of money. You don't need fancy creams or makeup. I use honey to wash my face and coconut oil as lotion and makeup remover. Putting on some powder foundation, blush, lip gloss and mascara will help you feel pretty. No need for a lot of makeup or anything fancy. Drink lots of water, eat healthy, stay active (even going on long walks each day), and you will look and feel quite pretty! You can buy clothes secondhand (I love thredup.com for that). Be purposeful...plan out your wardrobe pieces and coordinating outfitS... if your wardrobe is carefully planned, won't need to constantly spend lots of money. Self care is the first and foremost way to look good, not anything you buy :)The first year postpartum for me was such a blur. i feel so much better now that I'm really treating being a SAHM like an actual job, being organized, dressing everyday, etc

Good luck!!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's hard to figure out what my husband expects of me.

Have you asked him?

I am not sure if he wants me to get a job or not.

Have you asked him?

I budget the finances so that we can save up for a house ( which he expected to have awhile ago) have some free money to travel, and then all the necessities.

Great! so he delegated something to you, and now you're handling it.

We can either live more towards our comfort and wait a couple years or we could either cut deep into our finances for a year, or I could get a job for nights and weekends. This however would cut into his free time. He'd have to take over night time feedings, baths and bedtime. I understand for his well being that this time is usually his down time since he just got out of work. I have been doing these since she was born and I know he'd burn out fast.

So, you didn't ask him - and now you have decided how he might respond "I have been doing these since she was born and I know he'd burn out fast."

So I asked if maybe I should get a job and he said, "ok let's just put Audrina up for adoption then." Or something along those lines.

Woah! How did you ask him? Was it a sit-down conversation where you explained your thoughts and ideas toward the finances he delegated to you - or were you bickering and he snapped?

It really sounds like the two of you are failing to communicate. No one here in this subreddit knows what your husband wants. And what my husband want could very well not at all be what your husband wants. So I can't speak to that. It sounds like the two of you need to sit down and truly discuss what the goals are for your family. Is there someone who can watch your kiddo for a few hours while you to do this, or maybe just schedule this time after Baby has gone to bed. But it needs to be an actual discussion not talking in passing type of conversation.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your response and I see that I have assumed a lot. I will sit down with him again and ask since I haven't understood completely the first time.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Two questions I've asked my Husband -- and I've legit emailed this to my him to give him time to think about them before responding.

  1. What would he like you to have accomplished each day?
  2. What are his desires for you, as a homemaker?

[–]jack_hammarred25 LTR 4yrs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome questions. I wonder if they are a bit vague and might make him exasperated... consider making these more specific and not bombarding him with a bunch of questions so he will give you better words in response.

If he thinks you sit around all day, I wonder if there are things unkempt about the household (or cleanliness/orderliness things you aren't attending to that he values and doesn't take the initiative to handle himself) making him say this.

I don't think telling him all about all the things you do will help.. unless he asks, "Hey, love dove, what did you do today?" Instead, I would do something like this.

"I want to know more about what you value about a home and family so I can work towards a vision we'll both find rewarding. Right now, I've been very focused on activities with our little nugget, budgeting, keeping our kitchen stocked but organized, and ____ every day. What do you like about our home and lifestyle?.... Do you have any housekeeping pet peeves that you don't think I'm aware of?"

I think upping your laundry game may help with your wardrobe. You can buy good quality second hand or inexpensive clothing that fits in styles you like, and maintain it by air drying. Get rid of anything that is stained, warped, pilled/threadbare/worn, or ill fitting. Lots of good tips already posted for finding clothes on the inexpensive.

There are tons of tutorials at your fingertips for better ways of taking care of your skin hair nails, applying inexpensive makeup, etc. This can easily become something you spend way too much time doing (source: once spent an entire weekend watching beauty tutorials and doing nothing else) but you can have the "this kind of puberty is called being rich" experience by DIY if you are discerning.

As for wanting to improve your figure.. be more active and play with your daughter physically. Go for walks. Let your man and daughter spend time together while you go exercise... that's not him babysitting, that is him being a parent. If he needs to hit the gym, go read at the library/coffee shop, take a walk or something for a half hour or so right after work to decompress before enjoying family time he should do that and you should support it.

I do think it's important to strive to keep a man's physical interest for reasons related and unrelated to keeping the attraction... but to an extent, no one can really help but look at pretty people. Now... If he is looking, being disrespectful to you when he does it, and aware that it makes you feel bad, this is his issue and you shouldn't feel less because of it. For whatever my opinion is worth :)

I saw a good post somewhere red pill related about coming to your man with a problem, not a solution. I love this concept, but I still think it's important to demonstrate some willingness and ability to direct yourself, too. Men are with us because we are women, not helpless dependent children incapable of independent thought. We can help ourselves AND ask for guidance/help when relevant.

Overall I think communication is the biggest thing y'all ought to work for. Be clear, transparent, and be ready that you'll have different communication styles. Listening to the words said, the tone used, and the intent of the words are all VERY different things and balancing them are hard work. But stay positive and work hard, OP. Good luck!

[–]StingrayVC7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please, please, please, for the love of God, just ask him. Straight forward, ask.

Why do I say it like this? Because women communicate in a different manner than men. What your best girlfriend is going to understand from you is not what your husband is going to understand from you. Frame this conversation in the form of a straightforward question. "How would you like me to handle X?" Also, u/Irisandoleander 's questions are perfect.

You said this is your problem, so it is on you to communicate with him in a way that he can understand your problem and help you with it. Just be upfront and don't get upset when he communicates back to you in just as straightforward a manner. It doesn't mean he is judging you. He is merely answering your questions.

(H/T my own faults and issues at the beginning of my own marriage)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with everyone here: the best way to figure out what your husband wants is to ask him! But also, I think you need to stop looking to him for constant validation. Has he actually expressed that he wants something more from you, or are you just projecting your own insecurities? In terms of weight loss, it helps to exercise at home -- FitnessBlender has tons of free videos -- this will boost your metabolism and curb your hunger. Taking walks with the baby in a stroller is also good.

As someone said, look for clothes in thrift stores, or look on ThredUp. Maybe you have a friend who can cut your hair, or maybe you need to wear it up for a while until you can put aside enough for a professional cut.

Get a cheap planner or notebook to write down everything you have to do, everything from shopping lists to bills that need paying. You're a new mother and it's normal to be forgetful. I used to go to the supermarket with my first baby and load up the shopping cart only to find, when I reached the check-out that I'd left my wallet at home! Writing to-do lists helps but don't beat yourself up if you make mistakes.

Don't get too self-involved. Make sure to let your husband know that you appreciate everything he does; remember he is in an adjustment period too.

Good luck!

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope you get this because I think mods are taking down my replies. In the hopes you are getting these, thanks for the great advice. Your absolutely right I am getting hung up on myself. This whole post is me me me, wanting validation. I should be ok and have the self esteem to understand his disappointment sometimes. I'm glad I'm not the only one whose forgetful! I'm actually getting macuna extract capsules to help with my meme pry and over all sharpness of my mind. I think eating healthier and exercising more will help a lot as well. It's natural for me to compliment him and let him know I appreciate it but I try to remember to act that way as well.

[–]proprioceptorlate 20s, married 3 years5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A couple of things came to mind after reading your post, hopefully these can be helpful.

Appearances - I doubt that dressing in pricier clothes or going to the salon more regularly are the sorts of things your husband means. Just a hunch, but he might just mean taking better care of yourself. You mentioned that he looks at girls who wear more expensive clothes, but that seems like projection a little to me. Girls notice how much clothes cost more than guys. Losing weight and working to help yourself look more put together (makeup, skin care, having your hair done and looking nice when he gets home) will go a lot farther than you might think.

Weight - sugar addictions are hard to break, but you just have to do it. It's going to be hard, but it's still ultimately your choice what you put into your body. I've had trouble with my weight all of my life, and I really started making progress when I actually realized that I am the only one who could do anything about it. Since you're a SAHM with an almost 1yo, it might help if you take regular walks, or even jog if possible with your baby.

Productivity - when my husband is getting ready for work in the morning, (when I remember) I try to ask him what I can get done for him during the day. If there extra errands to run, or anyone I need to call, or anything in particular he'd like to get done. I try to do what I can to make things easier on him/run more smoothly when he gets home.

Budgeting - Think about where you can trim costs. Grocery budgets can typically have a lot of room to give. Make more homecooked meals when you can, and if there are things which make good leftovers to send with your husband for lunch, so that he doesn't need to spend money on it.

Bedroom - I know your said that your daughter doesn't sleep unless you are cosleeping, but if she's almost a year old you should probably start working on transitioning to a crib. I'm not trying to downplay how hard that might be, but it might be something to start looking into. My husband and I are friends with a couple who were cosleeping with their baby. Her husband told my husband that it was really taking a toll on their relationship. He said that she was so busy with the baby during the day, and during the evening when he was home, and not making time for him in the bedroom really made him feel marginalized and like his needs were completely unimportant in their relationship.

Hope this helps. I completely understand feeling overwhelmed by the feeling like there is a lot to fix and not knowing where to start. I agree with what everyone has said so far about being more deliberate about your communication with your husband, I bet that will help a lot. All of the things you talked mentioned in your post can be helped (at least a little) with some little changes. Best of luck!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Productivity - when my husband is getting ready for work in the morning, (when I remember) I try to ask him what I can get done for him during the dy. If there extra errands to run, or anything I need to call, or anything in particular he'd like to get done. I try to do what I can to make things easier on him/run more smoothly when he gets home.

This could be done the night before - depending on how awake your husband is in the morning. There is even a spot in my planner for daily tasks to do for him. (not for him to do, for me to do FOR him)

[–]proprioceptorlate 20s, married 3 years2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I only ask him in the morning because he and I tend to plan out our respective days around that time, so we're a little more organized. Either way, I definitely need to write it down, so that I don't lose track of it! I think I might need to bite the bullet and get a planner, lately I've been misplacing my to-do lists :/

[–]AyeAyeCap1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is coming a couple days late but check out a bullet journal. It's a glorified to-do list that has totally helped me keep up on things. /r/bulletjournal

[–]proprioceptorlate 20s, married 3 years1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry for not responding this - but thanks! I think this might be a good thing for me to do.

[–]philomexa32, married 11 years, 1.5 year old toddler4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have an active bedroom life? I try to keep it active even if it's just a blow job but so far it's been like once a week because of the baby. I co sleep otherwise she won't sleep.

We still cosleep with our 21 month old. We keep the intimacy alive by taking advantage of naps/sleep/down time and unconventional locations (bathroom, living room, kitchen, etc), it keeps things fun. Doing this we bumped up from once a week to roughly 3 times a week. As the kid gets older it will become easier to engage in intimacy, even if its a quick grope and make out sesh while kiddo is engrossed in their activity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes! We cosleep too. It took us far too log to discovertbis but turning on a show and putting our son in a high chair with some graham crackers has saved us!

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We just moved into our new place since before we had room mates and now we have a lot more options. Lately I think it's a bit of stress on his part that may be getting in the way. During the day he can be moody and too stressed if I were to initiate however at night it's always a different story. This is wear me snuggling a baby can be a deal breaker. I also miss the intimacy. It's hard having to decide between baby cuddles and my husbands but she's old enough where it's time she starts sleeping in her crib anyways.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This posting from yesterday may benefit you some

You seem to be worrying out loud to your husband about stuff and it's annoying him. Why not ask in simple terms what the expectations are and focus on that. The rest of this mess is just you creating fires where there don't need to be.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I will take a look at this thank you. Also I already know I can be annoying. I love to talk. I hate how sometimes it can be unnecessary. It'll even annoy myself but I truly do want to make him happier and I will implement any advice given.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I get it, for sure. My husband calls me Worst Case Scenario Woman because I easily get stuck in worry and doubt and mostly always think of the worst possible outcome in any situation and weigh choices based on fear. Those flaws are present in lots of women for any number of reason.

I think it would be helpful for you to take a huge step back and spend some QUIET reflection on your worries. Write it out and examine it if you have to but do whatever it takes to only bring REAL problems to your husband. Try to find some confidence in yourself and the things you do well and don't shy from fixing flaws as they come up instead of random blurbbings of fear-based drama. I hope that makes sense and doesn't sting your feelers. Many of us wives are irrational, emotion-driven women :)

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't at all, lol. I'm only grateful for the advice. I honestly think I might have add because I'm so scatter brained. I have to write everything down into lists and diagrams to get everything clear. I'm so forgetful and scatter brained so this would be a perfect exercise.

I also LOVE the idea of a family mission statement. It's really how I viewed my vows to be. Something I keep at the forefront of my mind and emailed to my husband.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey! I'm scatterbrained too. There's nothing wrong with being scatterbrained so long as you know how to stay organized. Lists are my bff Too! I make a list every morning of what to do, otherwise I'll get distracted. :)

[–]Banincoming2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that nickname is cute.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Communication - ask your husband what he wants to see happen on a day to day basis, show him the budget and ask him which areas he'd like to conserve in to bolster your savings, regarding work, pulse oeuvre to look into work you can do from home? I had a friend who would babysit a few other toddlers while she was home watching her own kid anyways.

Budgetting - check out r/personalfinance and r/eatcheapandhealthy and read their sidebars for tips on saving and budgetting. Learn to do your own hair, nails, and hair removal. I've been cutting my own hair for years because a men's haircut costs 15-30 and a women's haircut costs 60-200 in my area, and that's just not something I can shell out for every 4-6 weeks. In today's day and age you can learn to do anything on YouTube

Self Care - sugar is bad for you and junk food is an unnecessary expense. Just go cold turkey. Swap sofa for seltzer then eventually water. Swap chips for carrots or salted nuts. Swap candy for fruit like apple wedges or frozen berries. Make sure at lunch and dinner that half your play is vegetables, a quarter lean protein, and a quarter complex carbs (brown rice, quinoa, sweet potato, regular potato WITH SKIN, etc). Drink 8 8oz glasses of water or unsweetened seltzer daily. It will seem weird at the outset but you will look and feel better in the long run.

Self presentation - treat being a SAHM like a job. Be productive, efficient, and professional in your dress. If you're wearing yoga pants, make sure they're clean, neat, and well fitting. Getting dressed in the morning, even if you don't have to be anywhere, changes your mindset from schlubby to focused. Have something more dressed up that is attractive to slip into before your hubby gets home. Seriously, tale 20 minutes, put your makeup on, fix your hair, and slip on a cute dress. Put the effort in where it counts most. Check out r/femininenotfeminist for beauty ideas and tips.

Baby - sleep training sucks with a finicky baby but it works. Stick to a schedule. Consult with a professional sleep trainer if you can afford to and would benefit from it. It'll be better for everyone in the long run. Just don't start right before a vacation or a stressful time for your husband because crying babies keep everyone up :-(

Keep us posted!

[–]SexistFlyingPig3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been doing these since she was born and I know he'd burn out fast

He won't burn out fast from taking care of his child. You are deluding yourself that this is hard.

Going to the Salon and clothing stores is expensive and he'd definitely get upset but I need a hair cut and new clothes

You're saving up for a house. Buy the house first. You can look pretty later. Who are you trying to look pretty for? Your husband, or a new guy with more money? Your husband already loves you and wants to spend the rest of his life with you.

[–]Laneybelle2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a SAHM who used to work, I struggled for a long time with not contributing financially to our family once I had our second child and decided to stay home. My husband and I decided that my time with our young son is worth more than any salary I can make. For a woman who always had my own money since the age of 14, it was so hard to let go. If you are able financially to meet your goals and provide for your family, I say from personal experience that the sacrifices you will make are worth it to have that time with your child I think it's normal to have feelings like you're not doing enough. Trust me-you are! I know this doesn't address all of your concerns. I will add this little tidbit about sugar-if you can make a clean break for 4 full days-no sugar at all-you can break the addiction. it helps greatly to cut out bread corn and potatoes also since they convert to sugar.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I worked and went to school before getting pregnant so my life was independent in a lot of ways. It does feel weird staying home while he's working and it's nice to hear I'm not the only one. Time with my daughter is priceless and I just make sure my husband know I appreciate that his job and work ethic has allowed my daughter and I to spend this important time together because it does mean a lot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

EDIT: Since my account is brand new the mods are taking down my replies.

No one is taking down your comments. As it was already explained to you, your account is new and the aut0-mod feature is catching your comments. If this is how you act in your marriage it's no wonder he's exasperated.

Holy cow woman, chill

[–]WorksAtBank1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are some ways to get a home without a down payment. In Alabama, at least you can avoid a down payment by being a veteran or buying rural. The state of Alabama will also grant first time buyers a loan for their down payment. (For example, my monthly payment is 590 with about 30 a month being for the small down payment loan, and 560 going towards the normal mortgage)

Not sure of options in your area but check it out.

[–]teaandtalk29, married 6 years, together 82 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

GD, my monthly payments are three times that (and I live in a rural area), you Americans have it so good!

[–]WorksAtBank1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok but the health system is not great and AL's public education is awful. There are ups and downs

[–]teaandtalk29, married 6 years, together 82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair, I do enjoy not having to 'break bad' if I get cancer and don't have insurance.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!!! :D

[–]teenMom860 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I just want to add that I went /r/keto last year to break my terrible sugar addiction. The first week is hard but then it got easier and my baby weight finally melted away. I didn't even count calories or work out, and after six weeks I had so much energy I could barely sit down (yay productivity!) I swear it cured my depression too. I tell everyone about it now.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you I was just deciding to do paleo. I will check that out! It'd be nice to have the guidance!

[–]teenMom862 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Here's what 3 months of keto did for me You can imagine how happy this made my husband!

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow! It really transformed your body! Good for you! I really hope to do the same. Hopefully I have your discipline!

[–]teenMom864 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are some really good sugar substitutes out there. I made all kinds of keto friendly desserts at first so I didn't feel deprived, but eventually the craving for sweets just went away. It really was an addiction for me! I started with a 12 month old too, and now she's 20 months and she doesn't care for sweets (won't touch juice) and takes the bun off her own burgers and spits out French fries (we still hit the drive through sometimes). I'm hoping she won't grow up a carbaholic like I did.

[–]MrsYoung26[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh I'd hate if my daughter wanted sweets al the time. I used to not eat fast food or junk food and went to them gym daily. I had never had a Big Mac or whopper and hated hamburgers. That all completely changed when I got pregnant. I craved hamburgers like I ate them my whole life. I made some awful habits that are difficult to break. Food really can be addictive! That's a great idea about desserts though and if I don't want to fail I really should take that advice!

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