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I have been on several dates with a man who is several years older than me. Overall we click really well, agree on all the big things, our values line up surprisingly well and I think we would make a great couple.

However, he told me on our 3rd date that he was previously married and has a fairly young son with his ex wife and told me a little bit about their custody arrangements and co-parenting style. I had simply never thought about if I would be comfortable dating someone previously married with a child. What are some things I should think about to help me decide if this could be a potential relationship I could be happy in? What are the pro's and con's here to consider? I'm in my mid 20's and he is in his early 30's.

I feel sort of silly for never considering the possibility of a man I might date having a kid...

P.s. I am on mobile and can't find the flair... Sorry!


[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I am on my phone at the moment, and will try to add more details later but here are some things to consider:

  • Any future with this man will require you to be on neutral (if not positive) terms with the mother. Even if she is a witch, you cannot be a liability to this man and cause problems with her

  • he is likely to be busy, dedicated, and have a chaotic schedule. Trying to be a dad, manage a parenting bond with his ex, be a good father etc. This means he may be reluctant to progress with you at a normal pace even if things go well.

  • lots of potential stress, heartache and frustrating situations you can do nothing about

  • possible legal future custody disputes

  • you are highly unlikely to ever be his first priority. Between spending time with you and the chance to spend extra time with his kid, he will likely pick his child

  • can you step into a confusing role where you might be a 'sort of' parent... But not really. You will be more like a babysitter (if things get serious later on) , but unless you marry him - you will not have even close to a full voice when it comes to raising the child

  • possibly getting attached to this man and the child, only to lose them both if things end

  • having a kid with another person comes with a tremendous amount of baggage for both men and women. It's not something to pursue lightly, and it definitely lowers a person's overall value/appeal as a result.

Think carefully, and realize that although this guy may seem promising - if you have any doubts or hesitations (and if you're smart you have plenty of both) then you should part ways now. My advice? Run don't walk to the nearest exit.

[–]jade_cat3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

/u/PhantomDream09 mentions some very good points to consider. I would also highly recommend reading the guide to vetting men.

My advice is the same as Phantom's. Next him.

[–]CherokeeStarbright26/too many first dates[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've read that guide a lot. I've studied it, and overall I've been really good about it, this was something I simply hadn't considered before. Which was pretty dumb of me. It's just he's the first person near my age range I've met who had a kid within wedlock. To me it's such foreign concept, because every other person I know near my age range with a child usually has 2 or more with different partners and has so many other red flags I would never consider dating them. I guess I never considered that a guy without those red flags would have a kid. So, now I have to decide if having a child is a red flag in and of itself...

[–]CherokeeStarbright26/too many first dates[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for such a detailed post Phantom! You've definitely given me a lot to consider, and I have a sinking feeling that you're probably right. To me having a kid is at LEAST a yellow flag, and I think my own anecdotal experience is clouding my judgement. So, I'm going to tell you a little bit about myself so you might understand where I'm coming from a little better, and then I'm going to comment about the bullet points. It's not my intention to come off argumentative, I just want to discuss some points further, and if you think I'm rationalizing, please slap some sense into me!! hahaha

My family puts the D in Dysfunctional. I was raised by a confirmed and officially diagnosed NPD mother who slapped me in the face and called me a liar when I finally told her about how my older brother was sexually abusing me. He was the Golden Child and I was the Scape Goat growing up, I suffered from an eating disorder and PTSD in my teens which prevented me from forming healthy social bonds with my peers. It took A LOT of therapy and one extremely abusive relationship to get to the surprisingly healthy and functional adult I am today. My older brother has 4 kids between 2 women, and not many people in my area have a much better track record. For about 2 months I had full custody of my oldest niece and nephew because my brother and his current wife had their custody revoked by CPS, and so did my mother because she refused to give my niece her medication for my niece's seizure disorder. I've been officially declared a non-crazy member of society, and have spent literally years dedicated to making sure I'm a whole and well person before beginning my excursion into dating. But, I'm not entirely sure I know what a healthy relationship honestly looks like, and I am here to learn. So, I have questions.

  • My knee- jerk reaction is that this wouldn't be a problem for me. I've managed to maintain healthy boundaries with my mother while also staying in the crazy lady's good graces. I've mastered the art of getting along with people while not being a doormat.

  • I kind of view this as a positive? Like, if he wasn't doing those things he'd be a bit of a deadbeat and to me that's an obvious red flag. I would have already nexted him if I thought fostering a relationship with me was more important to him than his current family.

  • Wouldn't this be where you'd want to be his soft place to land?

  • I've been called in to testify at court for custody cases, I think the biggest stress with this would be trying to make it as un-stressful for him as possible, and maintaining a pleasant demeanor.

  • I again, kind of view this as a positive trait... I know sooo many people with kids who wouldn't. They'd drop the kids off at literally anybodies house to go get some tail in a heartbeat.

  • I've been in this confusing roll for my 2 nieces and 2 nephews since I was 16. I absolutely do not want a full parenting voice with anybodies children and do not want to physically have children of my own. I'm pretty good at cool aunt and the weird "sort of but not really" parent thing. As long as he never asked me to step in as 24/7/365 mom I'd be happy and content in this regard.

  • This one would definitely suck...

  • I agree that it's definitely baggage, and should be carefully considered. Nobody makes it to 25 without some baggage, but a child and ex- wife are some pretty heavy totes...

I think part of the reason I'm trying to justify this so much is because in the past year I feel like I've been on soo many dates with soo many guys and ALL OF THEM except for this guy and one before him had obvious, obvious red flags that came to knowledge by date 2. Some examples include: meth use, DUI's, restraining orders from their exes, and obvious lifestyle incompatibilities.

My basic life goal is to live on several acres of land at least a mile away from my neighbors where I can slaughter my own pigs and cure their meat myself, have a fantastic vegetable garden, and 2-3 horses in a pasture and enough extra space to grow enough hay for the winter. Bonus points if I can walk the mile down the lane to get the mail naked and never have to worry about somebody seeing me. After the work is done for the day I just want somebody to curl up and watch anime with and/or discuss the latest Radiolab podcast with. I found a person within a 100 mile radius who shares those wants, enjoys the same media, views on evolutionary psychology and how humans are meant to live, he even knows what mycology is and enjoys talking about the different types of agar used in microbiology research and why... And the dude has a freaking kid.

Dating is just so frustrating

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hi /u/CherokeeStarbright, I'm glad you took the time to provide some more details.

So, I'm going to tell you a little bit about myself so you might understand where I'm coming from a little better

Additional information/background generally tends to help paint a more complete picture. :0)

It's not my intention to come off argumentative, I just want to discuss some points further, and if you think I'm rationalizing, please slap some sense into me!!

Your responses were not argumentative at all. You explained your thought process and your history well. Your childhood, family, and life overall up to this point has provided you with quite the collection of personal red flags. Not that it's all doom and gloom. You seem honest about the problems you have faced, and the scars those experiences have left you with. I find it encouraging that you recognize your personal flaws without falling into the trap of using your history to make excuses.

I've been officially declared a non-crazy member of society, and have spent literally years dedicated to making sure I'm a whole and well person before beginning my excursion into dating. But, I'm not entirely sure I know what a healthy relationship honestly looks like, and I am here to learn. So, I have questions.

One of the things I find most encouraging is that you describe the things you have been through, and the journey you have made without focusing overlong on any one particular aspect, or wallowing in self-pity/emotional masturbation. You have noted overall 'trends' among the dating pool most readily available to you at the moment, and you're right, compared to the rest of that pool - and the men you have already gone on dates with, this guy does seem like a far better deal overall.

Taking into account your own personal red flags, the red flags that a common among the men in your area/the ones you have been dating - a child doesn't seem to be as big of a deal.

I'll present a few more questions for you to consider:

  • Have you thought about moving to a different area entirely? Changing your location will allow you to make a fresh start, and allow you to start meeting different (possibly better quality) men.

  • If you want to live in a more rural secluded area, it may be a good idea to uproot your life now while you're unattached and start living in a smaller town. The men you meet will most likely be inclined to continue leading that lifestyle, and you may find it easier to create your ideal life with someone else that's already familiar with what it means to live that way.

  • You do come from a chaotic family, it's very possible that you will subconsciously seek out men and situations that remind you, and resemble the dynamics you have the most familiarity with. You have your share of red flags - but this:

in the past year I feel like I've been on soo many dates with soo many guys and ALL OF THEM except for this guy and one before him had obvious, obvious red flags that came to knowledge by date 2. Some examples include: meth use, DUI's, restraining orders from their exes, and obvious lifestyle incompatibilities.

shows that there is a lot to be desired when it comes to your dating life. It is not normal to consistently run into these types of men. If these are the only types of men available to you - then you really need to figure out how to expand your dating pool and meet higher quality men. You have been working to improve yourself emotionally, from the inside out. What do you plan to do right now to improve your immediate environment? It's well and good to dream of a brighter tomorrow - but it's better to start working towards that future today.

  • This guy looks better right now - but you're also giving him a lot benefit for someone you have only been on three dates with. He is still a stranger, don't take him at is word absolutely, and be aware that it's in his best interest to paint the situation in a certain light.

  • You come from a life rife with difficulty and drama - you shouldn't necessarily be so eager, willing, and ready to make complicated ties with men that will continue introducing those things into your life.

I kind of view this as a positive? Like, if he wasn't doing those things he'd be a bit of a deadbeat and to me that's an obvious red flag. I would have already nexted him if I thought fostering a relationship with me was more important to him than his current family.

That's a very kind outlook to have. It's also bullsh-t in my opinion. You are praising a man for pursuing his role as a father (this is good, I agree) - but you go so far as to say that it's admirable, desirable, and attractive that he will be prioritizing other relationships over you. Do you see why that's a bit...dysfunctional? It's one thing to recognize that a man is responsible (and again, it's way too early to know for sure how much his description of the situation will match up with reality at this point) - it's quite another thing to willingly pursue a man you know ahead of time will have to put you lower on his priority list.

I can understand a woman making that choice because she's in love with a man that works as a first aid responder/military/firefighter, or if she is drawn to highly successful and driven businessmen. Those types of men all display the same kind of hard work ethic, selflessness/need to serve, and desire to succeed - being with those types of men also present unique challenges, but there are pay offs as well. In the case of military/police etc career men - women have ready access to a large and vast social circle of support, other people that understand what they're going through etc. In the case of being with a highly successful businessman - it could be living the life of a power couple, hosting and being adept at mingling among certain circles of people and gatherings.

All of the men I described above come with jobs that would meet your criteria of 'admirable' and have to frequently put your relationship second. He's taking responsibility and doing his best to do right by his child (according to him...which again, you can't know for sure one way or another at this point) - but don't fall into the trap of glamorizing his situation either.

Wouldn't this be where you'd want to be his soft place to land?

Do not treat random men like they are your husband. Trust has to be earned. I understand you are making a case for this man - I also see that you are giving him every possible benefit of the doubt and making more than a few (rose-colored) assumptions in the process.

I again, kind of view this as a positive trait... I know sooo many people with kids who wouldn't. They'd drop the kids off at literally anybodies house to go get some tail in a heartbeat.

If you shovel sh-t all day long, you don't notice just how bad sh-t smells. He may look better by comparison to what you are used to - but again, I think that's just all the more reason to make some big changes, and surround yourself with less sh-t.

I could go on, but I hope by this point you can figure out where I'm coming from with my feedback. Yeah, this guy appears to be better - but the men you have encountered up to this point have set a really low bar...it's literally just on the ground waiting to be stepped over.

Dating is just so frustrating

You know what else would be frustrating? Looking for an igloo in the middle of Death Valley. Dating isn't the problem, your environment however...

[–]CherokeeStarbright26/too many first dates[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what else would be frustrating? Looking for an igloo in the middle of Death Valley. Dating isn't the problem, your environment however...

This has really shifted my paradigm regarding the situation, in 2 years at the longest I will be moving for sure to hopefully pursue my first "career- style" job, I recently started a career- pathways internship with the Department of Natural Resources while I finish my bachelors degree.

My, still fairly new job, is how I met this guy in the first place. We don't work together (that's one of my hard rules) but a co-worker is friends with him and set us up.

I do agree, that my main problem with dating is the dating pool around me. I live in the next small town over from my home town out in the country a ways. Some interesting facts about where I live: our county ranks in the US top 10 counties for meth use, hence the frequency of tweakers. Luckily you can spot one from the moment you meet them and avoid. I graduated in a class of 230 kids, 30% of them have been to jail on drug related charges, 45% of my graduating class had children before they hit 21, and I really wish I was making this shit up.

The small town I worked in until I got my internship is known by DEA's as far away as Louisiana (I live north/midwest) as a meth town. A shitty little town of 1,200. The reason meth is so prevalent is because I live in a farm- based community so anhydrous is easy enough to find around these parts. But it blows my mind that people are willing to put shit like that in their bodies.

I think my new job working with the state has already put me in a better position to meet higher quality men. Sometimes I just forget that what I grew up with as "normal" isn't actually all that normal at all.

So thank you for your words and helping put things into perspective for me!

[–]BellaScarletta1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, this may be the most comprehensive and measured comment I've ever seen on the sub. I know virtually none of this applies to me but I feel obligated to thank you for taking the time to write it anyway haha, that was a very good read and extremely thought provoking even just for general musings.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like this comment does say a lot about the relationship between (negative) family dynamics and unconsciously setting the bar low because of those dynamics that were inherently part of your childhood. It gives one something to think about.

I agree, one of the best comments on the sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On an unrelated note: what happened with the guy you were seeing for about a month and a friend called you his gf during a game night?

[–]CherokeeStarbright26/too many first dates[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He ghosted when I wouldn't have sex with him after only knowing him for 6 weeks... I like it when a man weeds himself out

[–]Gravida0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he and his ex have a good coparenting relationship, it really isn't all that bad as a woman to be a stepparent. Our role is to support our SO in their role as a parent. But this also means that our opinion on their parenting style is moot. Long vetting process for you!

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