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There was a great conversation in the chat recently about how to handle things when other people suddenly decide to comment on your relationship, or make statements about your SO/H that are perhaps less than enthusiastic and kind.

Volunteering advice out of the blue (especially when no problem has been presented), or suddenly commenting about a relationship (to either one or both people that are in the relationship) are fairly rude behaviors that can be dressed up and disguised as socially acceptable remarks...which makes them all the more frustrating to deal with unless you are comfortable being direct and telling the other person to knock it off.

One user described a relative that asked how she put up with her man. Others have shared various interactions where someone will say "why are you doing x?" (a gesture of kindness, looking after SO/H) with a pointed, borderline accusatory tone. The statements can also branch into firmer ("stop doing that") territory or flat out mocking ("are you his maid?").

Figuring out how to respond to situations where you are suddenly under attack for doing something you otherwise would have never thought twice about isn't a new phenomena within this community - but it can still be a challenging one to handle.

Sometimes these things develop because of the female social matrix and the general 'peer policing' that happens among all women. The motivations driving the behavior can vary from jealousy, to making sure loyalty to a romantic relationship doesn't supersede loyalty to the group. But regardless of the 'why' many are still left wondering if there's a better way to respond - even when they successfully navigate the exchange without getting defensive or being rude.

I think one of the most upsetting aspects is that these comments can (and often do) seem to pop up out of nowhere. I was recently sharing a quick happy story about my relationship when another individual decided to start sharing her thoughts about my SO. She utilized a 'joking-but-not-really' tone that made her commentary passable, but still very biting. Since I was sharing a story, I opted to simply continue with detailing the sequence of events, and when she interjected again with a "why would he get to decide x?" statement, I responded "because he was willing to spend the cash!" with a smile and a laugh.

When someone starts to offer unsolicited advice, it can be a bit trickier to handle. Maybe you just shared a funny story, or remarked that you enjoy something specific - and suddenly you're dealing with a person that's dead-set on giving you advice about things you don't need help with. If this happens to you frequently, it's worth taking a moment to consider how you phrase things.

If you are consistently in a state of panic or stress, or if you complain or vent a lot - then the easiest thing to do is simply alter how you share information. Don't exaggerate your emotional state, put on exasperated airs, or otherwise show that you are very distressed. You can also preempt your statement(s) with "I only want to share something that's bothering me, I'm not looking for any advice" with your friends. You have to be careful about how often you do this however. Remember that you have a great deal of control over your reputation, and a big part of that is how you choose to interact with the people around you. If people see you as clueless, easily overwhelmed, overly emotional and/or impulsive - then you can't be too surprised when they start trying to give you pointers.

On the other hand, these things can happen even if you do have a reputation for being happy, content, capable, and rarely seek input from others where personal matters are concerned. Sometimes this happens more when dealing with family, as relatives can take longer to 'see' and treat you as a responsible adult.

Navigating and establishing personal boundaries is rarely a streamlined process. It takes a lot of effort to create new boundaries where they previously never existed, so the minute you identify a 'gap' it's important to start figuring out how you can create an adequate buffer.

If someone starts to chime in about how you dress, or your SO behaves, you should keep the following responses in mind (though there are certainly more):

  • "Thank you for your concern. It's very kind of you to think of me, but wholly unnecessary."

  • "I understand this isn't how you would do things, and I love that our friendship embraces both our similarities and our personal differences."

  • "I was relaying a funny story. When I need advice, I will come to you/let you know."

In the past, I have had people try to not-so-subtly 'hint' that they are 'concerned' about me. This always makes me laugh. They aren't picking up on any discomfort, hesitation, insecurity, doubt, or melancholy from me - rather they are tapping into things that they personally are feeling because my SO doesn't cater to their whims or bend over to make them happy.

I realized early on in a conversation that one acquaintance was stressing how important it is to her that all her friends and family approve of anyone she dates. When she asked for my opinion, I told her the only opinion I consider when dating someone is my own. I went on to explain that my happiness, well-being, and daily enjoyment with someone that I see and spend time with every day is more important than anything else. That took a good chunk of wind out of her sails, but she paddled on for a while, determined to try and convince me that outside 'impartial' observers often see more.

I understand what she was saying, and in general I do agree to an extent that non-involved parties can observe things that may be missed or overlooked. At the same time, I also believe that the only people that really understand/know how a relationship works are the two people actually in it. I'm also disinclined to take any advice from someone that sees me a few times a month (or a few times a year - as is the case with many relatives) when they have no understanding of how happy/productive/motivated/content I am with my day to day life (even though every time they do see me, I am always happy and content etc).

I would be more willing to hear what certain people have to say if they were happily married, or even just happily paired off and in long standing relationships. It's just hard for me to take someone seriously where relationships are concerned when they are endlessly dating (without success). The 'happy' aspect is a caveat I've recently identified as necessary as well, because I see no reason to heed the words of someone that repeatedly complains about how miserable they are because "idiot husband did _____ again and now I have to fix it."

I saw a wonderful quote that summarizes my thoughts not only on this matter, but on most things in my personal life:

"Don't base your [relationship] decisions off of the advice of people who don't have to live with the results."

Questions:

  • How do you handle comments like this and/or unsolicited advice?

  • Have you had to re-define boundaries with family or friends?

  • Any other thoughts or stories that you want to share?


[–]Camille113253 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Such a great post!

How do you handle comments like this and/or unsolicited advice?

I smile and respond very politely, I'm not the type to need a clever retort or quick insult to keep someone in line. I find that maintaining a sweet attitude while they are being negative is an excellent way to thwart their attempt to bring you down a peg.

Have you had to re-define boundaries with family or friends?

I am a big believer in only sharing positive things with everyone, I never complain or share bad or even embarrassing stories with family or friends, regardless of how close we are or how long I have known them.

Any other thoughts or stories that you want to share?

One time, one of M's relatives told me that I should stop making him breakfast every day because he will start to expect it of me haha

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Keeping things positive definitely helps! Ditto to the "smile and be pleasant."

One time, one of M's relatives told me that I should stop making him breakfast every day because he will start to expect it of me haha

Haha! I know some women that will only cook when hosting a party...and they boast about how much everyone liked the food (because being a good hostess to friends is worthy of praise and recognition), but other than that, they quite literally refuse to cook for their spouse. "I won't live in the kitchen" - oh, but you'll visit just to impress outsiders?

[–]hazelfox32, Engaged 6 mos/5 yrs LTR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"I won't live in the kitchen" - oh, but you'll visit just to impress outsiders?

Yes! What is this about? It makes no sense to me, yet it seems to be a point of pride for some women I know.

My future MIL packs future FIL's lunch every day. He has a stressful job and works long hours. He used to get teased about the lunches by the other guys. She'd pack him leftover steak with a fork and knife, or include a sweet note, and just generally try to brighten his day via this lunch. Several of the guys have told him, though, that they're really just jealous that their wives have refused to do the same for them.

[–]littleteafox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I looove cooking/providing for my boyfriend. Truly. It's such a simple joy for me and so uncomplicated in a world where so many things are. You do A (cook) to get results B (he's happy and full and feels cared for). Even if it's not perfect he enjoys it and I feel satisfied.

Meanwhile at work I bust my ladyballs doing things much more complicated for far less satisfaction, recognition, and impact.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's so great! We do IF (intermittent fasting) during the week, so we only eat one meal (at night together - I cook). On the weekends we have meals when we're hungry (generally this means a late morning helping of bacon, eggs, sausage, with cheese). There are a few dishes he likes to make, and anything that goes on the grill is strictly his territory. Cooking is one of the most relaxing parts of my day and I always look forward to it. I almost always listen to the radio or a podcast while I'm preparing everything. Occam almost always comes in just because he enjoys watching, and then he has fun distracting me playfully.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I am a big believer in only sharing positive things with everyone, I never complain or share bad or even embarrassing stories with family or friends, regardless of how close we are or how long I have known them.

This blows my mind.

[–]Camille113252 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You should try it! It will make your time spent with friends and family more enjoyable and they will have an overall better impression of your life and relationship.

[–]hazelfox32, Engaged 6 mos/5 yrs LTR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is something I'm working so hard on right now! Mostly because my natural tendency is to be melancholy, so overall positivity, including only sharing positive stories, is a habit I'm working on.

[–]Camille113252 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best of luck, it really is a rewarding habit :)

[–]littleteafox1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I try to do this too. I get so.. fatigued by all the negativity. The trouble is, I'm the sort of person people confide in and feel safe talking to, so even if I don't complain I get to hear plenty of it :P

[–]Camille113251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol maybe your ways will rub off on them eventually!

[–]eatplaycrush1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't agree more. I also would hope my partner does this as well. There is absolutely no reason to share anything except positive actions, thoughts, etc to anyone who you are talking to in terms of your significant other. My last long term relationship was hard, but even then I tried to keep myself in check and only benefitted from it.

Anything bad, embarrassing, or negative is between US. There is no reason for any outsider to know, they are not in OUR relationship or OUR life. I only want surrounding people to look at my partner and think great things because how embarrassing on your own part if they think anything less of the man you chose.

[–]Camille113251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely!

[–]HeyitstuesdayEarly 20s, Dating, 1 year2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love making breakfast for both of us every day! The way I see it, you're already starting the day doing something nice for your SO, and he definitely appreciates that. Why wouldn't you want every day to start off on a positive note?

As for comments on his relatives' part, I think they're really just happy that he's in a good relationship, and these little gestures usually make them appreciate you. The last time I spoke to my boyfriend's mother she actually thanked me for taking such good care of him.

[–]StephanieCitrusFascinating Woman, 24, 6 years strong5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My sister used to voice her disapproval quite often.

I couldn't come up with anything more clever than "which one of us is dating him/married to him?"

I have definitely cooled down on sharing personal things with people who don't respect my choices.

One of my friends and I used to say "Thank you for sharing that input." With a monotone voice and blank face. It was our little inside joke for when people who don't understand a situation butt in with useless 'advice.'

A more useful option may be saying 'I understand how it might seem that way with no frame of reference.'

'That's not relevant to my situation.'

'I appreciate you sharing your concern, but there's nothing to be concerned over.

"You're worried about what now?" With an incredulous look. Then say "oh ok" with a chuckle and continue your story.

[–]HeyitstuesdayEarly 20s, Dating, 1 year4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a really helpful post! I think we've all received unsolicited "advice" at some point, and it can really bother me sometimes. I find that double standards are quite prevalent in these situations too. If your guy has a nice gesture towards you, everyone says "oh, I wish my boyfriend did that for me!", but if you are the one who did it those remarks change to "you don't have to do those things!" or "you're too good to him, he shouldn't expect you to do that!"

Just to give an example, one of my friends once told me how great her boyfriend at the time was because he would get up before her and bring her fresh croissants for breakfast from the bakery down the street. So I decided to poach his idea and started doing that sometimes for my boyfriend, who appreciated it very much. When I happily called my friend to thank her for the idea, however, she replied "why the hell are you going to so much trouble for him? He can go get croissants himself if he wants to."

I was quite put out by that and replied something dumb like "because I wanted to, I guess?"

Some of my other friends have sometimes come to me for advice asking how we're so happy in my relationship, but when I actually do give them advice on nice things to do for your man, they say I'm too nice to him and that if they had a boyfriend he shouldn't expect all of that from them. I obviously can't say this out loud to them, but... I guess that's why they're single, then.

Lately I've just stopped sharing these anecdotes with people other than my mother and sisters, who pretty much share my views on relationships and so won't give me destructive "advice". If any of my friends ask about my relationship, I just say it's going great and smile.

I complained to my mother about this once, and her words of wisdom were, "honey, you should only trust your family's advice. Friends will always give you the opinion that benefits them, either because of jealousy or because they don't know or care about what's best for you, but family will always be there for you and look out for your interests."

I've found that to be incredibly true, so I just wanted to share that little bit of wisdom with you ladies!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

this is a great post and after this past weekend, i really needed to read it.

I think with family at least, i've reestablished boundaries by not discussing my relationship at all until I feel good and ready. They don't need to know every detail about the day to day of my life in general, let alone my relationship. I also don't bring to them any concerns or hopes because I don't need the "counsel".

I'm still working on not letting the judgey comments of friends get to me. Even well-meaning married women may offer me advice -- but unless their marriage is something that I believe is ideal, I don't want their advice either.

I think in IRC, someone once asked me "forget what they are saying. how does your bf make YOU feel?" If i'm happy, then that's all that matters.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha that may or may not have been me, I know I've seen several people voice similar thoughts.

It can be hard to let go of the things people say (especially if they make a habit of saying them). You can definitely play a more active role simply by being more aware of what you decide to share.

Navigating familial relationships is sort of a never ending project I think. Some relatives are just easier to get along with than others.

[–]cats_or_get_out 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I just smile and say thank you. I let weird advice just roll off like water on a duck's back.

When I worked with the public at the library, I got all sorts of strange advice--from politics to reading suggestions to how I should wear my hair. I just keep the conversation friendly and let the weird stuff drift by. That keeps everyone happy. You never win an argument, so don't start one.

Just as your friend won't change your mind, you won't change hers either. Move on to another topic and choose to be happy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with everything you said, and what you describe is my default response (I never bother trying to change someone's mind in situations like that). I'm one of the younger kids in my family, so I learned early on how to accept (and then dismiss) advice in the moment (because everyone thinks they know what I should be doing and how I should be doing it haha).

It can still be irritating after the fact, but definitely not worth getting overly wrapped up in. :0)

[–]nouvelle_rouge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh man. About a year ago, one of my best friends (who was also my roommate at the time) and I had a bit of a falling out mostly due to the fact that I was prioritizing my boyfriend, and said a lot of things like "you are completely bending over backwards to please him" (in a negative tone) and meaner things like "your head is completely up his ass." When both of us later apologized and talked about it, she realized that she was also being a bit ridiculous in her expectations. She was upset that on any given weeknight, I would choose to go over to my boyfriend's house and watch TV with him rather than with her and my ex-bf's friend, who was over all of the time hanging out with her - another story entirely. She was also a bit upset that I wasn't venting to her as much as I had done in the past with other guys- this was mostly because I was a lot happier with my new bf, but also because I respected him a lot more and knew that he wouldn't be happy if I aired out our problems to our friends. I think deep down, she was also upset that her own boyfriend didn't want to hang out as much as my boyfriend did.

To be fair, I was also thinking a lot about my boyfriend at the time and couldn't help being glued to my phone sometimes to talk to him, and so I completely understood some of her remarks in light of my behavior.

We ended up not being roommates again, as she was looking for a roommate who would be around to hang out with her most nights, whereas I stuck to myself a lot. But our friendship I think definitely got stronger because when we weren't roommates, that forced us to make committed plans, which put expecations more in line (I can definitely stick to committed plans to hang out, but it is hard to me to fill a loose expectation of just being around as a roommate to hang out). We also learned to respect each other's relationships and agreed that anytime we ever did vent (which isn't a lot), it was clearly just for venting and getting feelings out so that we weren't overwhelming our boyfriends or bottling things in. She accepts that I like my relationship the way it is and doesn't make any comments, and I am able to completely be with her and enjoy her company when we hang out since it is a planned get together instead of random ad hoc chilling.

Also, I found a roommate who is more on the same page as me in terms of roommate expectations and my friend decided to move in with my ex's friend (something my bf really hates) but I think we are both happier living our different lifestyles.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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