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Messages in music and young women (self.RedPillWives)

submitted by gabilromariz

I'm trying to look out for new music/artists to listen to and the process has been disapponting to say the least. Modern pop music seems exclusively focused on negative messages about love, "empowering" single women, going on about cheaters and broken hearts.

Other genres seem no better. As long as they have lyrics, it'll be to express something negative about love or self improvement. Everyone is perfect the way she is, entitled princesses who need to stand their ground and don't need no man. When men are the lead singers, there is also an alarming proportion of "broken hearts" and complaining.

Is this what girls want to hear? Or is it that these messages permeate the mind and help foster a culture where hookups and breakups are as common as changing your shirt?

Is there modern music out there with positive messages of love like Doris Day? As much as I like the messages in there, I would love some sort of modern counterpart.

Why are there so few (if any) artists willing to do this? Does it simply not sell well with the lonely feminists of today, or am I missing something here?


[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. There are plenty of female artists who sing traditionally feminine stuff but they don't get much radio play, which honestly in the age of the internet, isn't necessary anyway.

I really like Lana Del Rey.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And the funny part is I remember Lana Del Rey catching a lot of flack for her music videos showing her being overtaken/weaker than a man.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

she also said outright that she's not interested in feminism, and "finds it all quite boring".

[–]whistling_dixie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Lana's one of the best non-feminist artists out there right now - I have posted this probably 90 times, but Video Games is one of my favorite songs in general and is also very feminine.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Can you imagism if Tammy Wynette's song "Stand by Your Man" came out today? I can only imagine the backlash and media frenzy that would ensue. There is simply no market for songs like what you're talking about. All the women are empowered femnazis and all the men are blue pill betas. It's an unfortunate truth. Much like the TV shows where it's just men chasing broken independent women or hardworking moms with idiot husbands. It's disgusting really.

[–]gabilromariz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely understand you. When my friends are surprised that I mostly don't watch TV, I ask them for recommendations. Nothing useful or inspiring ever comes up, unsurprisingly.

I'll look up the song, thank you :)

[–]sugarrush19941 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have been running into this same problem lately! As much as I love the beats and catchiness of today's music it's lyrics and messages are trash. I would not encourage my daughter to act like a hoe so why do I listen to music that does? So my solution is to just listen to oldies around her and in the car we listen to books on tape like American girl dolls and the hardy boys, even though my daughter isn't even two yet haha. You have to start setting good examples young!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

100% agree! We listen to EDM music with the kids or Christian music or songs that have been HEAVILY screened for content. I like EDM because it's fun to dance to, they love the beat and tons of songs have no lyrics.

There is a strict "no TV" rule at our house, the kids get subjected to anything and everything at my husband's ex wife's house but at our house there's no TV and no video games. We do movie night once a month. But otherwise it's a firm no.

[–]sugarrush19941 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow I'm impressed that you guys don't watch tv! We try to only watch kid friendly shows while she is awake! Listening to electronic is a great idea since there isn't anything inappropriate messages or surprises! Do you ever worry it will lead your kids to finding other inappropriate dub step artists like Borgore or go to raves?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They aren't allowed internet access without an adult sitting there with them and it's rare for them to be on a device anyway. I'd said less than twice a week for less than a half hour each time. That's at our house. What they do at their mom's in obviously not in our control.

No TV can be hard sometimes, especially early in my pregnancy when I needed a nap to get through the day but it is rewarding more often than it is a pain.

[–]sugarrush19941 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You guys are rock stars! Do you feel like because they have such different parenting philosophies at each house that they go wild at their moms and when they come back to your house are more disobedient?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks! :-) It actually appears to be the opposite. Their mom frequently complains to my husband that they "have been acting up all week" and the younger one, 5, asked me why they don't get grounded at my house like they do at their moms. Occasionally they need a time out but it is rare. We have barely any discipline problems with them. Last summer their mom had us keep the older one (now 9) for an extra week because he was acting up too much and stressing her out. We neve see any of the problems she taking about. I think they become hyperactive when they watch the TV, I think that's a large part of her problem.

[–]sugarrush19940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's awesome! :) good for you!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't stand to watch TV anyone. It's 90% shows with the husband being an idiot and the wife brow beating him constantly. Or its about a single woman who can't find love and is giving up on men. Can't I just watch a show with a man and woman in love :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't think of a single show that would fit the bill. My husband and I love to watch Tosh.0 but obviously he can be extremely offensive to some people.

If anyone has Hulu, I was obsessed with "The Path" with Aaron Paul, it had salty reviews but I loved it.

[–]mylifeisavacation31 / married / 5 yrs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's mostly a comedy/sitcom problem. Even though there are other gender problems in a lot of dramas (think Game of Thrones, Better Call Saul, Orphan Black barring earlier depictions of Donnie, etc.), it isn't all weak male comedy tropes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are tons of examples of songs/movies that wouldn't be popular or as widely accepted today.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Playlist time! These are some of my favorites off the top of my head.

Take Me the Way I Am by Ingrid Michaelson

Dreams by The Cranberries

Breathless by Corrine Bailey Ray

Cosmic Love by Florence and the Machine

Love Letter to Japan by the Bird and the Bee

Renaissance Girls by Oh Land Extremely catchy and fun lyrics. Also a great song to work out to!

Starry Eyed by Ellie Goulding

[–]gabilromariz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

thank you :)

[–]whistling_dixie2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a musician myself, I listen to a ton of different kinds of music (lots of Lana Del Rey as Sunhappy mentioned) but I also listen to a lot of country. Any more, country is getting to be just as trashy as the rest of it - Luke Bryan has this really trashy song about meeting a girl in a bar and texting selfies to their exes about how they're hooking up later. It's gross.

But older country tends to have a really good message. Not older, but a song I really love is Love Song by Miranda Lambert. It's a really sweet song.

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