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I was inspired to start a topic about this based on this comment by MsSadieDunham in this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/comments/4ko9va/the_chair_situation/

The comment was I know I need to cut the bull shit. Why is it so hard for us to do that?

I think most of us here understand the wisdom that abounds in this sub, so why is it so difficult to apply? Why do we keep trying and sometimes failing?

One theory I have is that it's partly because men and women tend to communicate differently. I think a lot more communication between women is non verbal and tone and body language is much more important to women then it is to men. We are much more aware of it and tend to read into situations more deeply.

For example a few years ago my husband and I went out with a large group of his friends. It was a mixture of singles and established couples getting together for a meal. Over the course of the meal I noticed that one of the couples, lets call them A+B had some really bad body language towards each other. I was 99% sure they'd had a row and a big one at that.

After we left the meal and were driving home I was asking my husband if he knew what was wrong with A+B. He hadn't heard that anything was wrong and when I tried to explain what I'd seen he just hadn't seen it and thought I was reading too much into it.

A week or two later A+B split up.

This made me realise that in any given situation, I'm constantly on the lookout for the deeper hidden meaning. My husband is the opposite and he tends to only see what is on the surface.

So whenever he does anything, say something incredibly minor such as forgetting to take the rubbish out, for some reason I'm looking for the deeper meaning behind it. Did he forget because he just doesn't care about me? The truth of course is usually much more simple, he just forgot.

So I constantly have to try to get out of my own mindset and see the world through his way of thinking. Thus I trip myself up and make the same mistakes again and again.

What other reasons do you think make it hard for us to cu the BS?


[–]classy_lassy23Mid 20s, LTR, 1 year4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh, this is me to a frickin' T. I am a boss at picking up on subtle body/tone language cues from other people. I can't tell you how many times my SO has had a long day or week and maybe slowed down the loving or communication because he was stressed/exhausted/cranky and I would just be like "dkfjsdlkjf.....what does this meeeeaaaan?!?!?" Of course, I've never said anything out-loud to him about it because usually in a few days or by the weekend, he's back to his normal self. Plus, I know that if there were actually something wrong with us, he would be the first to say something. He's very to-the-point in that way and hates beating around the bush. So, if it's just the normal stressful day or week, it's during those times that I try to pay more attention to what I am doing to make his life a little easier without being needy/clingy/overbearing in a "Omg let me help you feel better! What can I do? What can I do?" obnoxious type of way. When I don't act high-strung, he doesn't act high-strung. Win, win!

[–]L1vewarePr0blem30 / LTR 4yrs3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because every time we override the hamster/survival instincts and choose to communicate or act in a way that doesn't come naturally, we are overcoming the largest and oldest portion of our brains with the more recently developed cerebral cortex, which guides higher thought and gives us the ability not to act on instinct.

I mean, not that hamstering is always an instinctual function, but I feel that hamstering happens so often biologically because we evolved both to treat every abnormality as a threat (when there were no first-world problems, it probably WAS a threat) and to prioritize negative events over positive ones (this had a purpose too...you totally wanted to prioritize that lion chasing you, else you wouldn't survive).

I also read in How to Improve Your Marriage without Talking about It that women experience substantially more fear and anxiety than men from BIRTH. It is biological, and it's no small task to stop it.

Just my rant, but I think those are the main components of it. I'm sure socialization has a role, but not so large a role as we might expect. I think we should also go easier on ourselves, not stop trying, but just stop telling ourselves how much we suck! We're overcoming millions of years of justly freaking out over everything; that's not easy. For me, when I degrade and berate myself for failing in the hamster department, that makes it emotionally worse and harder to "get back on the wagon" than putting kindness and love before all else.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I totally agree with this. The illogical connections made about how he doesn't care because he didn't bring the chair in... I mean cmon!!!

I also think that when it comes to body communication women are just more attune with it than men are. Not just looking for a deeper meaning but actually seeing more into it. Woman's intuition. We have a deeper understanding and connection to feelings. That's why it's so hard for us with men. They are more on the intellectual physical level whereas we 'see' emotion. I dunno if I'm explaining it right but that has been my experience anyways.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I literally lol'ed when I saw the top of this post! :-D It's that hamster! It can be used for productive or unproductive thoughts. We are good at picking up body language so we can anticipate the needs of those around us or we can read into meanings that aren't there.

[–]maya_elenaMid-20s, married, 3 yrs total2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, the difference in communication styles is one good theory - especially because it leads to misunderstandings! You think he said he would do it, and he was just nodding without listening. He thought you meant "come see a show with me", and you meant "come, dress nice, and take me to dinner after". And the like.

Another theory related to communication is if you don't 100% trust each other - ("Is he ignoring me on purpose? Is him forgetting to do X a sign of disrespect?" Etc.) But you get over those when you've been together long enough (else your relationship has some problems with it).

Hmm, in myself I observe several factors that affect how touchy, prickly, or mercurial I am:

-Hunger. This is universal. It's amazing how someone's whole aspect (whatever gender they be) transforms after you feed him or her.

-Insecurity and guilt. If he decides to share an opinion on something you know you've neglected - then, even if the comment is innocent, it stings like a reproach, and it is sometimes hard not to lash out. (For example, I am not the best at color coordination. Sometimes when I get a helpful 'hmm, that shirt doesn't really match those pants' from him, my first impulse is to get defensive - "they're both orange!" but I've toned it down with time.)

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