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A trend I've noticed noticed here and there in the comments lately is this idea of being a perfect RPW or that the women here should live up to some perfect ideal set by the mods and Endorsed Contributors.

I would like to put this idea of perfect to rest. There is no perfect. There is only improvement.

To give you an example, I've been in the RP world now for about 6 years and I've learned a great deal. I've implemented it into my marriage and it has gone from good to great. This is not to say that I don't have problems from time to time. That I don't have set backs and sometimes just flat out fall on my face and fail. I don't talk about it here very often for several reasons (none of them really conscious until I started to think about this issue) 1. My age. I'm old and I just don't really talk about things like this with anyone. 2. I know what I did wrong and how to fix it. I just failed in the implementation. Or, in other words, I slipped up. 3. I'm very private especially when it comes to my husband.

There are probably other reasons, but there you go. Now, for the sake of exposure and truth, things have been stressful around here lately. We have a huge amount going on and my husband and I are both strung tight and very tired. I have been snippy (more than snippy) from time to time and causing some strife. Not horrible, but enough that we've been upset and angry with each other some over the past couple of weeks.

This is the usual stuff. Letting the frustration bubble up and saying something I shouldn't in a tone that shouldn't be used. My husband responding. I couldn't tell you if he responded as he should or not, because that doesn't really matter. I screwed up. I know I screwed up. After I had time to cool off, which took much longer than it usually does, I could see things for what they were and we moved on.

Things are coming to a close soon and the stress has let up some and things are getting back to normal. But I want the women here to know that there is no such thing as perfection when it comes to your relationship. It is never something to aspire to because it's a false idea. What should be worked toward is continued improvement. There will always be something that you can improve in your relationship. It might become more and more difficult to pinpoint, but it is there. The only time one can utterly fail in this endeavor is to stop working to improve.

Perfection is not the ultimate goal here. Continuous work and improvement for life is.


[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing that!

I think this is really helpful, especially for new members. I think that's why in the RPW 1.0 sub we had several newbs ask "how do i _________ in an rpw way?" Lots of women freak at the idea of failing and not being perfect as they come to us during a relational storm. It's vital that we all remember that slip ups happen and while we shouldn't use them as excuses, it's good to keep in mind that we're still human.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's why in the RPW 1.0 sub we had several newbs ask "how do i _________ in an rpw way?"

I agree. I also think that the desire to be perfect does more harm that good. It has too much potential to be done for the perfection rather than for the marriage/relationship. It's a form of keeping up with the Joneses.

It's vital that we all remember that slip ups happen and while we shouldn't use them as excuses, it's good to keep in mind that we're still human.

Well said. We have to keep our eye on the ball. It is all too easy to focus on something else and not even realize it's happening. I think when we have that focus, the reality that we are human is far easier to understand.

[–]jade_cat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's why in the RPW 1.0 sub we had several newbs ask "how do i _________ in an rpw way?"

Hey now, cutting carrots ain't no joke. Gotta do it the right way.

[–]TempestTcup 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Great post and an important thing to remember. I think one of the quotes goes like: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, or completing the project well is made impossible by striving to complete it perfectly.

Often, good enough is better than trying for perfection, and our husbands probably aren't looking for or requiring perfection, anyway. Perfection is a huge pain in the butt and can add stress for both partners, LOL!

Personally, in many areas of my life, I declare "Good Enough" and let it go; or as my dad always says, "Good enough for Government work!" I still do my best to get out of my La-Z-Boy (my beloved nemesis), do my stuff, and take care of my husband, but I also realize the necessity of lots of down time enjoying him and life.

I hope your life gets back to an even keel soon! It seems the older you get, the more you have to deal with stressful times, but luckily your patience does grow as well.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, Tempy. Things should steady settle over the next few weeks.

Good enough can be great. It leaves time for the great things to happen.

[–]tintedlipbalm4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for writing this. I've been thinking about this for some time. I am also very private and don't really externalize stuff very often, but yes, if we sum this to a collection of women who are only sharing words of wisdom and no faults, it might seem like we're in this untouchable summit unaffected by the behaviors we condemn.

It also reminds me how women (well, people in general, but women in particular since it’s what I notice more) interact in social media like there’s this need of transmitting effortlessness in any endeavor that could require skill or work. Struggle is taboo.

While I don’t think this is as prevalent in anonymity, it can certainly happen when reputations in communities are formed. This might be how newcomers regard mods and ECs, and could function as one reason some members might hesitate when disclosing their struggles openly and honestly (I recall we had a post recently where the OP used a throwaway because she didn’t want to admit to her problem under her usual account).

I want to remind women here that while certain users demonstrate more RP theory knowledge and are recognized as such, this doesn’t mean they are NAWALT in their own relationships, or that they don’t struggle or mess up. In fact, thinking you’re above something makes you more vulnerable to doing it, in my opinion. We need self-awareness.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and could function as one reason some members might hesitate when disclosing their struggles openly and honestly

I'm sure it is. But I think another reason is that to write a FR as an EC or mod comes across as a humble brag even if we don't mean it to. So there is this fine line to walk where we must let new comers know that we are not perfect, that we hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold everyone else, but also to try not to draw attention to ourselves in a way that shows a false superiority.

We might be superior in our knowledge because we've been around longer, but that does not make us superior women. It means that we've made the same mistakes that many newcomers are making currently and we worked through it. This is where our knowledge comes from. Having been where so many are today.

We aren't perfect by any means. We've just been there and done that and sometimes continue to do that. I think we just don't talk about it much, for one reason, because it can come across as bragging if we do.

[–]cats_or_get_out 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Women get so high strung about being perfect. My Facebook feed is full of over-the-top crafts made for their children's teachers or the "perfect" gender reveal party for their unborn kid (I guess this is now a thing). It's like bridezilla mode forever.

I think it comes from this idea where we believe that if it's not perfect or ideal, then everything is wrong. We picked the wrong man, the wrong career, had the wrong number of kids, etc. I see women bailing relationships and careers at the first sign of "not perfect" because they see it as an omen that something is fundamentally wrong.

Women seem to believe that if we choose the right man, career, city, school, etc., then everything will fall into place. We all say that marriage is hard work, but we rarely sit and digest what that means. I've been with my man for 17 years. We have been married for 14 years. And yet, I too, fall into the frenetic "perfect perfect mode."

I read a lot of bubbly optimism from folks who post here, and that's great. I'm happy that they're excited about their dinner/their husband's accomplishments/their upcoming vacation, etc. That's easy. But we will all face tough times. That's when we need to remember what marriage is all about and how our role--out attitudes, behaviors, and choices--can ameliorate or worsen a situation.

My husband struggles with combat-related stress and has for about 4 years. I have had a pretty grueling few years and a lot of heavy stuff to bear (grieving, etc). Our relationship is different than it was in 1999. It's not all butterflies and giggles, and that's normal and wonderful in its own way. RPW reminds me is that I have a responsibility to do my best, to bring my best self to the table, and to own my role as his wife.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fantastic comment.

I want to add something, but really, there's nothing more to add.

[–]cats_or_get_out 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Thank you. I have been thinking about this all night. You know, RPW in my marriage is about setting priorities and working towards personal improvement.

One big change in my marriage since RPW was the conscious decision to put my career on hiatus. We moved (for the military), and instead of looking for a professional job, I opted to stay home for the time being. My husband said he was tired of me working on the weekends. He was burned out on spending his time off doing all the laundry, shopping, etc., and shouldering extra household duties.

I feel like my family needs my attention now more than ever. I always felt iffy about not working because I have worried about not staying current in my field. But you know what? This family needs a peaceful, stable home now. I can't fix my husband's sleep problems or his work stress, but I can make our home cozy and relaxing. I can do the laundry and the cooking and the cleaning. I can make our weekend time 100% family time instead of errand days. I can be there to pick up my daughter from school. My daughter, especially, seems to need me a lot lately. Maybe it's the onset of puberty; maybe it's her dealing with our grown up problems and stress, I don't know.

Reading RPW helps me anesthetize my hamster. It helps me focus on reality, on what is important in the here and now as opposed to "what I am missing out on." Women suffer from this "what am I missing out on" feeling a lot because it's programmed into our psychology.

We are hardwired to be opportunists, to be continually on the lookout for better. This manifests not only in hypergamy but also in job hopping and generalized envy. We are constantly looking for reassurance that we're getting the best deal. This is where all that perfect stuff comes in. We want the perfect proposal, the perfect birthing experience, the perfect first day of kindergarten moment (all documented faithfully and shared on Facebook).

We drive ourselves crazy because we can't savor our own food because we are too busy looking to our left and right and comparing ourselves to others.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This family needs a peaceful, stable home now.

and

It helps me focus on reality

Yes and for many women reality is helping one's husband and that translating into a better home and a happier family. As you know, but many, many do not, this is highly important. It's not nothing, it's not holding women everywhere back and it's not useless. Just because it can feel boring from time to time does not mean that it actually means nothing.

You should take these two comments and write a post. They are tremendous. I'm in your boat, I stay home and I do what you list here. I make it so my husband can focus on what he needs to focus on and we all thrive on it. That focusing on reality to anesthetize the hamster is highly important.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for this. I know it's not a fr in the "this is what I did and this is how I fixed it" sense. but I feel like the mods can be guarded sometimes with the fr's. Most likely for all the reasons you listed and more. So even some small insight to women who have been around years and the words of encouragement are profound and definitely inspiring to me.

In aa we always say "progress not perfection". The idea of perfection isn't something to attain, it's a slow arduous and never ending process. My life is all sorts of messed up but it suits me just fine. It is perfect for me. Not by anyone else's standards I'm sure but I'm happy and that's the benefit of always trying your best. Great post!!

[–]StingrayVC[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In aa we always say "progress not perfection".

Yes. This drive to attain perfection, it only highlights the failures. Rarely the progress and the progress is where we must focus.

[–]margerym3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

THIS! Not one of us is perfect and we never will be. It's not only important that we accept that but also that we don't try to "save face" by only talking about how great we are 😂

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Very true. And also: most guys don't WANT perfection. They want a human being that has weaknesses just as he has weaknesses.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I remember when I first learned about Shit-tests. When I finally figured out what they truly are, I worked so hard to not do that, but it took all the fun out of many things. I was so focused on not Shit-testing my husband that I was afraid to even tease him. We tease each other a lot. It is something that we've done since the day we met and when I took that away out of fear of failure, it made things unnatural for us.

All this to say that sometimes I take my teasing unintentionally too far and it does become a true shit test, but trying to go for that perfection was stifling, not only to me but to the fun we have in our marriage. I have to face that weakness you speak of and work on it, but not hold onto the fear of failure so hard that I ruin the excellent we already have.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, I kind of recognize this. I want to be very RPW and praize and support my boyfriend and all that. But the other day on Skype (he's working abroad for a while) he said: 'you know, everyone's very nice here, but I miss how you can just laugh at my face sometimes and help me take myself not too seriously, cause I need that.' Goes to show that guys sometimes love us for very different reasons than we imagine :)

[–]StingrayVC[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny you say this. One of the things my husband says that he loves about me is that I help him to not take himself too seriously and I do that through the good natured teasing. These are some of the very best laughs we've had.

[–]sierrasecho4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for posting this. I'm just getting back to the new RPW, and it was beautifully written. I love the "keep pushing yourself to be better," posts, but this feels very authentic.

[–]tradmarriageftwEarly 30s, Married, 7 years2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm so glad you typed this up. This thread really got me a while back. I'm not saying arguing is something to attain to do or be proud of, but we are human and slip up. The amount of people who said they never, ever had an argument here made me feel a bit nervous to be honest.

[–]StingrayVC[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read this comment by u/cats_or_get_out. Don't feel nervous about that. Marriage happens and in marriage there are always going to be tough times.

I've fought with my husband. I'm not sure how you could be with someone for almost 20 years and not have disagreements. But, how one deals with these is key. Before RP, sometime we would really argue and I was TERRIBLE at it. Just terrible. I usually ended up walking away because it was just easier to shut down. Since RP, we still have disagreements and I still get frustrated with him and sometimes these disagreements will get a bit heated. But it's different. The arguments are now to reach a common goal. We just have different ideas on how to get there. Whereas before I would argue to be right. Yuuuuge difference.

So, we argue less, but we still argue sometimes. I don't think this is a bad thing. It just is. In marriage as in all things it is always going to be a horrible idea to compare yourselves with the Joneses. Don't be nervous about what some people said in a thread. That is not your life. Make your life the best is can be and if that includes the occasional argument, then so be it.

[–]Tryin2BeBetrThanB4Early 20s, Married, 4 years2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is something I needed to hear. I try to much to fix everything, and at once. Try to do everything I can and as much of it as possible. All it does is lead to me messing up, panicking, trying to fix the problem as fast as I can, and then feeling like I failed, become overwhelmed, and sometimes it leads to me giving up.

The all or nothing mentality is strong with me. I hate it. There is something I read about stairs a while back that has stuck with me "If your walking up a long flight of stairs, and slip down a few, do you get frustrated and let yourself fall down the rest of them? Or do you pick your self back up and walk up a few more stairs to make up for your loss and end up further than the fall."

Sadly, sometimes I don't just let myself fall to the bottom, but rather run down them full speed. Pretending I never made the efforts in the first place.

What I'm trying to work on now, above anything else, is slowing down. Stop, breath and continue on. Ever Forward.

[–]snowflacke25+ / complicated0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only time one can utterly fail in this endeavor is to stop working to improve.

This is so true, I have lived my entire life life without knowing about TRP. I did pretty well but I never improved or understood the deeper meaning of things. What I've learned here was the constant focus on self evaluation and the tolerance towards mistakes of others. Motivating your man without breaking his pride and being aware of your own behavior for example helped imensly even if nothing I did was perfect.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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