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At the blog What Men Are Saying About Women, the proprietor posted one of a series of fascinating videos, this one called Sex Differences: Why Won’t Men Commit?. It points out the shockingly obvious in retrospect point that for a woman Marriage is normally the fulfillment of her lifelong dreams, whereas for a man it normally spells not only the end of sexual freedom but the literal DEATH of his lifelong dreams. The man’s lifelong dreams almost never entail marriage and kids, but great feats of individual courage and skill in front of admiring crowds. For men, coming to terms with the fact that he is NOT going to be a race car driver, astronaut or the star quarterback is called “growing up”, for women growing up is defined by her ACHIEVING her lifelong fantasy of marriage and kids.

Obviously, this in itself makes “commitment” much less desirable to men than women, but there is another aspect as well. A great deal is made of women’s much vaunted ability to commit to another person, but little is said about the nature of this commitment. The ability to commit to something isn’t laudable in itself–it is the ability to FOLLOW THROUGH on one’s commitments that defines the quality of the person, not the ease with which one make a promise. Women fall into “commitment” easily but also SHALLOWLY and OFTEN. They are quick to “fall in love” and just as quick to break up when things don’t suit them or when the going gets rough:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xneess_tod-crashes-while-drag-racing-from-parenthood-1989_shortfilms

At around the 1:45:52 mark a young wife confronted with a bad situation in her marriage seeks immediately to bail and has to be put in her place by her unhappily divorced mother. In the storyline of this couple in the movie, the wife is trying to force her young husband to give up his dream of being a drag racer to become a house painter because “that’s his future”. This speaks for itself

So women commit shallowly and often, what about men? The little discussed truth is that men, while they ARE loathe to commit at the outset, commit more truly and fully to their marriages once they finally do and are apt to be completely devastated when their wives inexplicably rip their homes, children and themselves and everything that NOW DEFINES THEM AS A MAN away from them. Because that’s the key. The way men give themselves permission to choose marriage over liberty is to create it as a new definition of “being a man” they can hang their hats on as they give up their adolescent dreams. Once they commit to that course it becomes WHO THEY ARE, not just an episode in their lives. More often than not he then devotes himself* to his new “dream” of being a classic Husband with the same single-minded focus with which he pursued his career and his hobbies. So when the wife suddenly announces she is bored and leaves, she is leaving him now not only in the shattered wreckage of his early dreams but now ALSO in the molecularly vaporized particles of his ENTIRE self-image.

So the next time you're thinking about why men won't "commit", think about what you can do to make a man feel safe committing to you, because it's a big risk and a sacrifice for him to fulfill YOUR dreams. Instead, never punish him for this sacrifice--help him to fulfill his new found dream as a Husband and a man

*I can already hear the objection that “how can you say men “commit” more when they so often cheat?”–that is a topic for another post but I think most people recognize that for men a type of cheating that doesn’t involve actual relationships with other women but mere sexual variety rarely undermines HIS commitment to his marriage from HIS perspective.


[–]alf_alf_a19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bill Burr, talking about the path he took to success and fame:

"What it takes to be successful...it takes sacrifice and in your 20's you have to work your fucking ass off. That's what I did. For five years, my first five years in this business I had no girlfriend, I had no social life, I had nothing. All I was doing was shows...that's what the fuck I did every god damn day. I went to work, I was writing jokes at work and at night I got in a piece of shit car and I would sometimes drive to another state, and you know why I had no girlfriend during that time? Cause none of them could understand what I had to do to get where I am today. Do you know how many Richard Pryor's and Jimi Hendix's are working at Home Depot because some twat talked them out of their dream?"

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Bill Burr is amazing. So much of his material could provide the backbone for some great discussions.

[–]Camille1132516 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The way men give themselves permission to choose marriage over liberty is to create it as a new definition of “being a man” they can hang their hats on as they give up their adolescent dreams. Once they commit to that course it becomes WHO THEY ARE, not just an episode in their lives. More often than not he then devotes himself* to his new “dream” of being a classic Husband with the same single-minded focus with which he pursued his career and his hobbies.

This is crucial! An understanding of the masculine mind is essential to a harmonious traditional relationship.

Everyone: read this post over and over, until you understand how his formal commitment becomes a fundamental part of his identity. Think about it every time you are about to do something he wouldn't approve of, and then honour his commitment to you by making the better choice.

[–]jade_cat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about it every time you are about to do something he wouldn't approve of, and then honour his commitment to you by making the better choice.

Very well worded, thank you. This entire post is such a good motivator to be a better wife.

[–]StingrayVC13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely fantastic post.

I, to this day, think about everything my husband has given up to marry me. I know where he would be if he didn't. I've talked to him about this before and told him that I hope he didn't regret that decision, that I knew how things would be without me in the picture. His answer has always been the same. Things are far better for him than they would have been otherwise. While in some ways this is true, in other ways it most definitely is not.

I do not think he regrets his decision, but I work my tail off everyday to make sure that he doesn't. That this life he chose, the life that he brought me along for, is one that I add as much value to as I possibly can. This is not a choice he needed to make, but he did and I will honor that decision for the rest of my life in the very best ways I know how.

[–]testmypatienceMale, Early 30s0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good.

[–]PixieDelightsMid 30s | Married 8 years | total 129 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Even though we have been together 12 years, really the last 5 (since I became pregnant) was when the big change in his life occurred. One day he was talking about how he had quit smoking for our daughter, and had quit riding his motorcycle because of her, and all the other changes, I mentioned jokingly that could lead to some jealousy of her because he didn't make those changes for me. His reply was "While I love you to death, you don't need me to survive like she does" and "She made me mortal".

I know I sometimes get a little froggy in my head, especially in the last year, where I sometimes think about what it would be like to leave, and then I kick myself for that. Seriously, he would do anything for me and our daughter, no way that I want to fuck that up. The stuff I get pissy about in the end doesn't really matter, and I need to get back to a more calm, loving, frame of mind

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[–]PixieDelightsMid 30s | Married 8 years | total 124 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I stomp them down real quick! It doesn't happen often, but it has been more than I am comfortable with over the last year. Part of what started my search for improving our marriage and lead me to all of this! It generally comes as an idea like "I bet there are guys out there that would/n't do XYZ and that would be better" or something akin to that; then I realize what I am thinking, realize that is freaking ridiculous, I don't want to be without him, and work on getting back in the right frame of mind.

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[–]cxj1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Remember this when your Captain bails on being an artist to support you and the chilluns!

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[–]cxj0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even worse, he'll have to sell his artistic soul to the almighty market. There is no way around this, happily ever after for you will come at the price of his dreams.

[–]stevierose345 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree with much of this, but I would like to point out that some women give up their own dreams when they commit to marriage. I know I gave up my dreams (a specific career in a large city that I went to college for four years to pursue) to stay in a small town and find a job to fit my major in order to marry the man I had fallen in love with. It was a hard decision, but I realized that my first choice in a man would make me happier down the road than my first choice in a career. Once I made the decision, I never looked back and I do not regret it. At the same time, my husband understood that he had acquired something of great value: I put him first. I think this in itself told him how much I loved him and he in turn “grew up” and gave his all to making my sacrifice (which it really wasn’t) worth it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

women's dreams and tit for tat are not the point of this post. this post is to help women understand men.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The response was short and direct, but not rude. The purpose of the post is to help women appreciate, understand, and feel grateful when their man dedicates himself to the relationship above all else. Understanding the commitment of the man does not negate the commitment of the woman, it has nothing to do with the female's side of things because the post is specifically about appreciating and understanding the male perspective.

[–]katnip862 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right and that point was gotten across very eloquently and clearly, and most of the responses to it were along the same lines.

I can see where maybe wingnut was frustrated because of another poster who was actually arguing the validity of the original post, and maybe that is why she responded to this person in the way that she did. But each person should be responded to individually, and this person is new here and wasn't arguing against this post, she was just sharing her experience. Why did wingnut have to just shut her down like that? What if her terseness turns people away from this community? I just thought it was unnecessary. But that's just like my opinion.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, blunt, straight-talk is pretty much the gold standard for /u/_wingnut_ and I think just about everyone either already knows that or learns about it very quickly. She talks directly, and succinctly which I think a lot of people read as abrasive and angry - even though there's no emotion (positive or negative) on her end.

All the mods have different personalities, and honesty has always been one of the things that draws users to the community in the past. Participation is always voluntary, and no one is responsible for the the feelings of other users. We will remove direct trolling etc, but sugar talk, and long responses have never been Wing's go to.

If you want endless blather, and (generally) a softer touch - that's where I tend to tread water. Then there's /u/camille11325, she never seems to run out of patience or energy when it comes to writing detailed explanations. /u/tempesttcup is a mix of every approach. And /u/LifterofThings tells it like it is, and, as she displayed with her most recent post - she also has an amazing sense of humor.

There's no frustration on Wing's part, her feathers don't ruffle that easily haha.

As for the community, it will thrive on the quality of the content submitted and the conversations created. No one is interested in having their language policed (particularly Mods and EC's), and I see no reason why anyone would be offended by Wing's comment.

I think /u/stevierose345 will appreciate you sticking up for her and vocalizing support. I think she also knows that she's not in any trouble. She made a comment and OP responded. If that comment creates an emotional spiral for anyone, I think that may be a sign that they will have some difficulties participating here. Which is fine, this community has never pretended that it's for everyone, only that the doors are open for anyone that wants to dive in. Whether they sink or swim will be revealed over time.

Hopefully my explanation clarifies a few things for you. :0)

[–]katnip864 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the detailed reply. I appreciate the varied feedback that you all provide, and I know that in many cases wingnut's bluntness is exactly what is needed. If I were looking for advice, hers is among the first I would seek for that very quality. It just seemed unwarranted for this lady's comment, but not that big a deal! Just didn't want her to feel attacked or unwelcome.

[–]VintageVee29f, engaged, together 2yrs5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And this why men are ultimately the real romantics. Women love the gestures but deep down it's men who commit more fully. Since I had my eyes opened to my hypergamous nature as a woman, it's saved me a deal of heartache. If I've ever glanced sideways at another man I've immediately countered it with he thought, "he looks in some way superior or more masculine or authorititive. That's all. Look away.".

Truth is I have a very high need for dominance and there aren't (in my experience) too many men who are both highly dominant and also willing to commit to marriage. I've got one and being aware of the sacrifices that entails for him makes me value it that much more.

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[–]VintageVee29f, engaged, together 2yrs2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, no, I do as you say with 99% of men. I very much feel my man's the best - best human overall lol. I barely ever even look at other men. When I occasionally have...literally once or twice in nearly a year... that's how I stop the tiny seed of a thought in its tracks.

[–]StingrayVC5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And that scene from Parenthood was always my favorite part in that movie.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the whole movie kills me, one of the best ever

"this is marriage! now get in the truck"

[–]StingrayVC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been so many years since I've seen it I don't remember most of it. Though the cowboy scene just popped into my head. But that scene, that always stood out to me.

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So when the wife suddenly announces she is bored and leaves, she is leaving him now not only in the shattered wreckage of his early dreams but now ALSO in the molecularly vaporized particles of his ENTIRE self-image.

This happened to my husband in his first marriage. The fact that he has been able to rebuild himself in the face of adversity is something I greatly admire in him. His whole story is something I really see as a Phoenix coming from the ashes.

[–]coffeedynamics7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

This post was very enlightening for me. I think it is hard for women to empathize with the pain men go through after a divorce. We are tempted to think, What's the big deal? Women suffer financially in a divorce too. Yet we fail to recognize that men make a huge sacrifice when committing to marriage. Like you said, they give up all their dreams (and sexual strategy) to make the woman happy and create a family with her. Then when his wife leaves him she essentially makes this sacrifice mean nothing. Not only does he feel like a failure as a man, but the one person he sacrificed everything for promptly spits on everything and throws it in the garbage.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Our aim here is to be the women who understand that and DONT DO THAT TO THE MEN WHO PLEDGED THEMSELVES TO US

my husband and i have a motto "no one gets out of this marriage alive"

[–]coffeedynamics4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

DONT DO THAT TO THE MEN WHO PLEDGED THEMSELVES TO US.

It wasn't my motto before, but after reading your post it is now!

my husband and i have a motto "no one gets out of this marriage alive"

I love this so much! :) I am going to steal it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

i keep planning to make a cross stitch pattern with roses and crossed duelling pistols and those words, but im too lazy

[–]coffeedynamics6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's what you can do.
1) Create the image and text using whatever software you have.
2) Apply cross-stitch filter.
3) Print it out and frame it.
4) Do not let anyone look at it too closely.

[–]stevierose345 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I love your motto too!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i freely hand it to all of you, live it, love it

[–]TempestTcup 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]cxj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of my all time favorites

movie is RP as fuck, lol

[–]little_red_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do it please, WTB. I love it.

[–]CamusSeesSumac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is SO funny.

[–]am3liia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this - it's a great reminder to always support his goals and continue to be the best partner I can be so he never regrets his commitment to me.

[–]Arlybigstickk3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I always though that I was alone in my thoughts on marriage=sacrificing all my hopes and dreams of becoming a leopard.

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[–]stevierose345 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I made the comment about the wolf alpha. Are you making fun of me? If so, please explain why.

[–]Arlybigstickk1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't think they're making fun of you, think that they are now linking me 'animal' discussions because of my leopard comment. But I'm kinda glad it was linked, I've never heard of this three types of alpha stuff before. Sounds like an interesting read.

[–]stevierose345 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It is an interesting read. Ian Ironwood (I know the names a riot) is the reason I found red pill women.javascript:void(0)

[–]stevierose345 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

So why is a 58 year old woman who has been married for thirty five years commenting on this site? It is because I believe I have something of relevance to say and you can benefit from my wisdom as well as my ignorance. I do believe in love and I do believe that with love, marriage can bring happiness. I believe you need a strong marriage before you bring children into this world. If my presence here makes you uncomfortable, I can understand that. I do not want be the mother or grandmother that invades her kids face book pages. However, the fact is that there are many children being born into a world that is not meeting their needs and I sincerely hope that you as a collective group of young people get your shit together. If some of my comments make a difference, then I will gladly be poked fun at.

[–]Kittenkajira3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome! Sounds like you're right in line with RPW, so please keep commenting. It's always great to talk to women who are experienced in long-term traditional marriages. I look forward to hearing more from you.

[–]tintedlipbalm2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hi, you being 58 years old and married for long is not an issue here a all! Have you read the the about page of this subreddit?

/u/Suzanne_by_the_River's comment wasn't meant to be pocking fun at you personally, it was simply about linking your animal alpha categories with Arlybigstickk's joke about dreaming to be a leopard. Please don't take it personally and keep bringing good content and reflections :)

[–]stevierose345 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I do not take it personally. Really I don't. I am totally clueless about so much of social media. To be honest, there is not much out there that interests me, but this site does. I have three children and I want to see them find good mates and if it is right for them, find joy in raising a family. Furthermore, I want to see other young people find some stability and happiness in world that seems to be imploding.

[–]tintedlipbalm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These are all amazing goals! I look forward to see more comments from you.

[–]Camille113252 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are actually a bunch of women over 35 on the sub and I know personally a handful of women in their 50s. Who knows how many are active and haven't revealed their age! You are more than welcome in this community :)

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marry an understanding leopardkin woman

[–]Arlybigstickk2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever met an 'animal-kin'? Fucking hideous sloths.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So, good hunting you'd say?

[–]Arlybigstickk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely, still waiting on my harpoon license though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Interesting article, but I think it leaves out the struggle on the woman's aide. This makes it sound like a woman's only dream, ever, is to be a wife and mother. Yes, that's a wonderful dream. But every woman has to figure out how to reconcile her individual needs with her role as a wife and mother...just as every man has to reconcile his individual desires with his role as a husband and father. We all give up SOME THING to be part of a larger whole. I just don't think it's helpful to pretend that it's only an issue for the man. We both need to be understanding of each other and generous with each other!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

its not about the woman's side, its about the man's side. not everything is about everything. this was written SPECIFICALLY to inform women about how men think and what MEN sacrifice. its not abotu women whos dreams revolve around their playacting fantasies of fabulous pink collar careers

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But this says that for a woman, marriage is the fulfilment of all her lifelong dreams. And I just don't think that's true. A lot of women have dreams which are not just pink collar fantasies. Just as men have a lot of dreams! Sure, I get that this article is about the man's side. I'm just pointing out that on some level, marriage is the end of liberty for BOTH people. And maybe that's not such a bad thing. By coming together we can create something bigger and more meaningful than our own selfish desires.

[–]Camille113256 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But this says that for a woman, marriage is the fulfilment of all her lifelong dreams.

Most women do dream of getting married and having a family, even if they have other goals. You can have multiple lifelong dreams.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

right thats not the point of my post at all. and that doesnt help women understand what men are giving up.

the idea that women "give up" their dreams for marriage is ludicrous and irrelevant

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dont think it's ludicrous to say women give up something when they get married. But i also dont think its a bad thing. To put it another way: I think for a lot of women -- myself included -- getting married and having babies means CHANGING our dreams. Amending our dreams. I actually think that's a good thing, it's part of the process of maturity, learning to be a good wife and mother and put others first. But it's definitely a process.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

your experiences are valid, but they aren't relevant to this post. we don't need to employ the "fairness doctrine" or Equal Time rule on male and female experiences in every post.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are women even being discussed in regards to this post?

Explain to me how harping on what women give up helps women understand men more and helps women's relationshipd with men.

[–]littleteafox4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage/kids was never a dream of mine until recently. I was actually against marriage for a long time after seeing so many crappy ones growing up. I never dreamed about my wedding day, what dress I would wear, etc. As I got older, I realized that I did want these things (though I'd still rather elope than have all the fuss of a big wedding). Also, in my past relationships, the man was always the one more eager to commit. So the assumptions made here don't apply so much to me, personally, but my experiences may have been outliers.

That said -- ignore the generalized statements in the article and focus on the man's perspective. As women we get so few opportunities to really hear the man's side and have it so well laid out for us to understand. Men aren't encouraged to talk to each other, or even their women, about these sorts of things. If anything they're punished for it. That's one of the reasons why I love RPWives so much, is that by learning more deeply about the masculine I learn how to better appreciate it and honor it and in turn make my SO happier (and our relationship better!).

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i think the value of this post is that it helps women take a moment to step outside of JUST their view and perspectives and consider how their man may feel about his role in the relationship. it doesn't matter, in this case, what we may be feeling. we're trying to understand how they are feeling. which helps bridge understanding and improves communication.

This need to defend our womanly thoughts while dismissing, ignoring or diminishing the thoughts and feelings of our SOs is disrespectful and goes straight to the point of the post.

[–]StingrayVC2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I get what you're saying, but the headline calls women "ball busting shrews" and wow, I don't see why it had to be so hostile! That's why I wanted to point out, sure, men give up things, so do women, and yeah, let's try to understand each other...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is a post ABOUT men, FOR women. that's all. It's not a post about what BOTH men and women give up for relationships, JUST what men give up for relationships.

as /u/Camille11325 said already, you're engaging in transactional thinking, which hurts relationships.

If your man was being vulnerable emotionally with you, and telling you about his fears and sacrifices regarding his being with you and the first thing out of your mouth is "well, LISTEN TO MY STRUGGLES" he will shut. down. it will takes God knows how long for him to feel safe enough to open up again. Or he may never. And write you off as a ball-busting shrew who doesn't care how he feels about being with you. You'll lose his attention. He may consider other options. So forth....

it's not being hostile. It's about a different perspective.

[–]StingrayVC4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

but the headline calls women "ball busting shrews" and wow, I don't see why it had to be so hostile!

Did it catch your attention? Make you back up for a second and think that for many women it might be true?

Look, it's a slap across the face. And why not? We are trying to make our relationships better. If it requires a firm slap, it's worth it when it wakes us up.

let's try to understand each other...

My husband isn't here reading. He's not trying to understand me by reading this sub. For most men, it is the same. We can drop the, "But women have it x, y, and z, too" here because, especially in this post, it's just not about us. It doesn't have to be about us and our feelings about the title or any of the rest of it. It is about what our husbands have given up when they committed their lives to us. It's refreshing to think about only that for a time and not anything about women.

It doesn't have to be about us and what we might have given up when this post is very specifically about husbands.

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I hear you. Still, ugh, that title rubbed me the wrong way. Glad everyone else was able to get past it : )

[–]littleteafox4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just thought it was funny ;)

[–]StingrayVC4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You get used to it and after time, for me at least, begin to really appreciate it. We all get complacent from time to time. We're human and reading that post title, frankly, made me smile because I knew it was going to be a good post and one that I would get something out of. More than that, I knew it would spark an excellent discussion, and it did.

Sometimes our feeling getting hurt can do more to motivate us than any inspirational speech ever could. Don't discount this kind of help just because it rubbed you the wrong way. Welcome it and use it for what it is.

[–]tintedlipbalm4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes strong language sticks better to the mind. Everyone has a different style of wording their arguments, and some people have a stronger one. We try not to tone police here because it can often be tangential to the message.

[–]Camille113255 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see why it had to be so hostile!

Stop focusing on the tone and pay attention to what is actually being said. Plenty of women are "ball busting shrews". It is not "hostile" to label negative character traits in a negative manner.

Please familiarise yourself with the purpose of this community and the rules. We do not allow tone policing, it is even on the sidebar.

[–]Camille113254 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her post focused on a specific aspect of relationships intentionally, not to ignore the female side but to shed more light on the male experience. It is not a requirement that every single thing written about men has to mention women. And the sub is already filled with posts that speak to the various female issues you are bringing up. You are welcome to comment on those submissions and post some of your own.

This post is helpful to women and entirely in line with the goals of our subreddit. Not only do we encourage women to stop approaching things with a tit for tat/transaction mentality, if you read the All About RPW post you would have seen this:

/r/RedPillWives subscribers seek to understand how and why men and women are different, so that we can approach our SO’s (or dating in general) with open eyes. We prioritise our men, and allow them to be themselves. We defer to their leadership and fully trust them to have the best interest of the relationship in mind.

and this:

RPWs recognize that as women, we have a lot of advantages when it comes to dating, attracting and keeping a mate. We understand and sympathize with the hoops men have to jump through, and the fact that masculinity is often discouraged and attacked in today’s world.

The entire purpose of this (wonderful and amazing) post was to get women to look at things from a perspective outside of their own. Commenting that there was no mention of the women's side shows that you missed the message.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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