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Male inceldom affects Male to Male relationships:

  1. Male inceldom status omits low status even to other males, this lowers your social market value to the entire community both with men as well as women, this is drastically understated. It has a systemic like effect in almost every aspect of your waking life from external relationship to the wider world and familial relationships. This is why I believe the INCEL status is so catastrophic macabre and nihilistic mentally. It is the inescapable nature of this INCEL status which is the most crushing, you cannot be treated with respect as others are normally in any social situation, this truly has massive psychological effects. The reasons for the mass effects can be shown:
  2. INCEL status has a huge effect on social status with both men and women on dominance hierarchy, both men and women know you are low status by your deficiencies, a girlfriend, money, the way you look, friends social circle, immediately you are treated as low status No HALO effect.

I believe the typical INCEL reaction is anthropologically correct, the stress of the external extreme negative environment will invoke the flight (basement dwelling computer games) or fight (Elliot Rogers blowing people up) response. This is biologically wired into us that a high stress both physical and mental stress invokes these reactions by the body, which also has biochemical implications as well, raised cortisol lowered dopamine all very very negative mentally and physically.

Frequency of this stress response is the most important factor: the frequency of experiencing these high stress responses is key to its effect on a human body, an INCEL is an INCEL because they will have an extremely high frequency of experiencing these extreme reactions, whereas a normal person may (have a bad day) experience once or twice a week, an INCEL has a bad day every single fucking day, this puts the body in an extremely negative state. And contributes hugely to the person having the negative traits associated with an INCEL, increased fatness, autoimmune diseases, bad skin, low muscle tone, spotty, dumb, incompetent.

Higher cortisol causes muscle wastage, actually catabolises every organ in your body, skin, hair, muscle bone density it fucks everything up, makes you store more body fat.

Lowers testosterone due to depression, this also fucks everything up, makes you look less androgenic less masculine features, less muscle more fat bloating, actually decrease hypothalumus memory executive function.

Lower dopamine caused by depression, has tremendous mental detrimental effects, can cause and exacerbate ADD ADHD, aspergers, other mental health disorders, greatly impacts memory centre, executive function, prefrontal cortex, actually shrinks the brain, decreases neurone activity. It fucks you up and also has massive effects on sleep quality causing severe sleep deprivation mismanagement, and sleep deprivation also causes increases depression and low dopamine so you have a massive infinite loop (coding reference lol) right there which puts you in a world of shit.

+ Low status of INCELS greatly impacts socially, you are unable to create new friendship groups, noone wants to associate with a low status person. You may even have trouble as you age maintaining friendships and retaining friends as you age. As it is obvious status is actually increasingly important almost linearly as you age, it becomes more important to normies the older they are. This has system wide affects, as this not only affects external relationships but familial ones, as this power struggle is constantly occuring within the family even, this effect knows no bounds.

PROGNOSIS:

This effect is huge psychologically and compounds the INCELS problem with women, as it greatly increases their desperation generally, which then converts to extreme behaviours and mental health problems.

Society and the way humans think have always and will always cause these problems for INCELS, they don’t care enough, whether it is put in an implied or explicit way, for them to take action on it. Look at the wider society, it is built on inequality and discrimination and it is openly so, look at these groups, INCELS, the homeless, the disabled, unattractive people, they are all humungously underrepresented in the media, on television, film, even everyday life how many disabled CEOs are there, unnattractive managers, disabled people working in positions of power. It is absurd as intelligence is distributed along a bell curve it cannot be the case that proficient and brilliant people are not disabled to such a degree where they are so misrepresented in high status positions. The premise is ridiculous scientifically, they are mutually exclusive, how does an amputation or being unnattractive stop you being intelligent and competent to a high level in your field, its fucking ridiculous.

As society is structured along these lines it is built on this inequality, they are aware they are causing the problem, you will never find the solution within the society itself it has a vested interest in continuation of the status quo, the media the government, the NGOs, charities its all the same thing.

How many film stars that you remember were unattractive, low status that you wanted to be like and were the hero not the villain in a film, tv series, comic book whatever media you can name. This is the whole game it is purely a psychological propaganda game, the game is crocked so only a certain type of person can succeed, or more precisely they are given such advantages indirectly that it is almost impossible for any other event to occur.

Solution:

INCEL male:

Become masculine as fuck, get fucking huge, people are so generic you are essentially playing their games against them, they cannot deny you if you are 15 plus stone of rock hard muscle, sub 12% body fat.

Make no mistake this takes years of work naturally, but if you do the big 3 compounds, deadlift, squat bench, no bullshit bodybuilding isolation routines, with proper rest and nutrition and 8 hours of sleep a day, this is achievable. When you do heavy (for you), deadlift, squats, bench press, shoulder press, this invokes system wide increases in IGF 1 and testosterone, this will give you secondary masculine traits, low body fat, squaring of the jaw, growing brow ridge, facial hair, over years in a compound effect. Also these exercises make you considerably broader at the shoulder and thicker (increase back width and density, increased chest shoulder width and densitiy), women are so stupid this is all they look for they don’t know or care how it is acquired birth or hard work is irrelevent.

You will pass the shit test on this alone nearly, nature cannot deny this. Most men will be intimidated by this alone and its enough to gain a minimum of respect and not be completely treated like shit.

Women may not take to you as they act even more in a binary way than men, regarding like/not like, however this now becomes less relevant to your quality of life. As I eluded to above the quality of life increases a lot as you begin to solve the ancillary problems of socializing with men and your low status is somewhat increased, as their respect for you has increased, you may gain/keep friends more easily, possibly meeting a girl from this friendship group (longshot, but still better than no shot). Also you may be helped professionaly as well, you may get a partial HALO effect from specific people, again this is better than NO HALO absolutely.

WHY I’M DONE WITH THE HUMAN RACE:

This is is also why I’m done with the human race, if you extrapolate what I have just laid out to inequality: socially, economically, this becomes too grim to bear and it is patently obvious the inequalities of society are based upon an innate discrimination regarding the factors I have mentioned and others, ie race, ethnicity, social status.

The problem mainly is that no one is talking about these factors and never historically has, no campaigns of meaning, no institutions no awareness spread, no media representation of any meaning or weight or status. This means that these problems CANNOT be rectified as an unknown unknown cannot be solved because there is no framework, to even have discourse about. To tackle the source of the problem (which I believe the media is a large part of the puzzle, with the perpetuation of stereotypes by association in every program, article).

The only postulation is that society will actually get worse regarding this factor, but enact it in ever more clandestine ways, as it is socially unacceptable to overtly convey discrimination but socially acceptable to indirectly exercise it. This to me is preposterous, insidious, and more importantly just dumb, and why I refuse to participate in society or be of benefit to it.

Thoughts, how far off am I.

cheers danny


[–]Board_Flaming 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this post. It’s everything I’ve been trying to say about my celibacy for a while, summed up in a way that is extremely articulate. It’s not about getting sex for me, since I know that sexual relationships can be extremely negative, because of female nature. It’s about all the other effects it can have on every other aspect of your life.

My conclusion is also the same, although I would like to add that being over being part of society isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Once you’ve distanced yourself from the human race, you realise you’re no longer a slave to the obsessions they have - the constant drive for being “part of ‘it’” whatever “it” is. Celdom led to distance for me. Distance led to disdain for society generally. Disdain led to freedom.

If this was r/braincels, a horde of sex obsessed cels would be screaming “cope,” but they possibly are still under the hold of the media you talk about, particularly social media, which is a distilled example of the media at large’s most destructive aspects.

[–]satansbarbedcock8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Braincels is such a waist. They've trapped themselves in the binary of either be miserable or be irresistibly desired by women.

It's a real underestimation of what the human mind is capable of.

Most of them need a good dose of asceticism and Buddhist philosophy

[–]TrannyPornO11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not science.

[–]mr-magician6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the best articles that I have even read. I had various girlfriends and ones,but I also had plenty of years where I was without women's in my life. People treated me shit in these times, like a looser. Even my family treated me like shit when I was young for not having a girl joking that I was timid. The society is completely fucked up.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the excellent contribution. I believe it would have been better if sentient life had never existed on this planet. This type of systematic cruelty is what natural selection is built on.

[–]lehappyjuice5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm an incel and my friends know because I always talk about it openly if they ask. Despite that, I'm considered high status ( I can assure you that) among my colleagues.

They call me chad/fakecel because in their eyes I'm awesome so they don't understand why I can't get laid (they don't believe in the black pill) so basically I'm treated like garbage by wymen as if I don't even exist and how could I forget the typical faces of disgust I get from random bitches.

Instead I have no trouble making new friends in my workplace, gym etc. And I find myself leading the group, conversation, activities with my friends so basically I'm an alpha among my friends and a omega with the girls.

So I don't quite agree with all you said but there are a lot of things you got right.

[–]BP-475 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Inceldom is pretty devastating and entirely unnatural to a person, mentally and physically, particularly men who have a testosterone factory in their balls. There are knock-on effects that affect friendships with men as well, plus career success. I believe taking the Black Pill (acceptance) is the 'healthiest' option under the circumstances, which prevents them going ER. This will probably be easier for a guy as he gets older.

I do believe self-improvement to be a Red Pill (awareness) philosophy and as such, is less relevant if one has taken the Black Pill. The Blue Pill (ignorance) is a joke at this point and naive at best. That said, I made an effort to be as imposing as I could be for a bald manlet by keeping a beard and making the best of my stocky frame. I may be unattractive to modern FHOs who only want Chad, but I can stop most other men from thinking they can fuck with me. People have said I appear to be an ex-cop, ex-military, or an ex-convict. These wildly inaccurate assessments prove that I have been able to put on a 'front' that works to make me appear formidable even if I am in fact not. Use escorts if you need to, especially if you need to lose that cursed V-tag. It is not a perfect fix, but it may improve your mental health and make the Black Pill easier to take, once you can stop coveting sex itself. I believe according to Black Pill philosophy that self-improvement is masturbation. I maintain that once you stop hoping, you stop caring and then you stop worrying; the Black Pill is nirvana. Maybe, an FHO can one day pick up that you give no fucks and may become interested in you. Either way, like MGTOW, it shouldn't matter either way.

I am also done with the human race. I believe that separating myself from society and being a hermit to avoid all possible triggers of seeing things I can never experience without payment is the best way for me. I was always an outsider and I have embraced being an asocial loner. I am only truly concerned about food and shelter. I don't even care about friendships anymore. I don't want to be beholden to anyone. Indifference is king.

I have also postulated that modern inceldom/hypergamy is a generational thing and has been exacerbated by the internet, online dating and Tinder. FHOs can hold out for Chad and only Chad, meaning that sub-Chad men are ignored, as if they were legitimately ugly. We also know that FHOs are brutal heightists, meaning that manlets are also increasingly barred from a sex life. Average Boomers and GenXers never had this level of problems getting sex and relationships, as they had to meet in person and FHOs had more realistic standards and were more willing to settle for an average looking man. There is also the changes in the economy in the last few decades that have made men less important as bread-winners and are easily replaceable, as well as the general misandrist and PC culture that has invaded the West. Briffault's Law still holds. I believe the post-1980 generations have been damned, as modern technology has eliminated average looking men from getting laid anywhere near as much as Chad does, leading into a rapid rise in modern inceldom/hypergamy, akin to the Japanese hikikomori.

[–]simulacransimulation[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe environment is one of the most important, shaping influences on a human being, the family being a very large part of this shaping and environment. Negative experiences within the dynamic of family has a tremendous impact upon a person. As such one of the worst experiences of my life was within this context.

I was graduating and was with my mum and dad, I spotted a friend, Steven from my course, who approached us and introduced himself to my Mum and Dad. We talked back and forward, then he stated to my mother, "I knew you were Danny's (me) mum before you told me, Danny has a strong resemblance to you".

It was as if you had just said my mother had looked like a turd, with her immediate response, "thats great, thanks a lot" in the most condescending way she possibly could, with the most negative body language imaginable. Steven didn't know where to put himself, didnt even reply, looked in shock. It was almost as if he was shocked at the response from my mum, shocked at the sheer visceral hate of the comment, the brazeness, the open hostility. Steven actually made excuses almost immediately and left, that is the nature of the exchange.

This shook me to my core, the hostility to be socially seen as level with me, was complete anathema to her, was so unthinkable, she verbally rejected it in the most vociferous way possible. She didn't care about the ramifications social, emotional, it was so ridiculous to her she assumed the reaction would be received with acceptance. I couldn't even concentrate on my graduation which had yet to begin, it had such a systemic effect on me. This is the systemic effect I speak of in my original post, the gut wrench which is actually flight or fight, the dump of uncontrolled corisol.

This revealed the true nature of my mother as it eludes to the very value system in which she operates within. She is way above me socially in her estimation, so above me that it is propesterous to her, to equate her own son to her. The problem is this is not just limited to the way my mother or family think, this is the very systemic lens in which everyone thinks, especially those in the West.

The lowness was caused by essentially betrayel, to think your mum has your back, whatever, will back you to the hilt in every regard socially, economically, emotionally unconditionally, shattered by 5 words. How does one become confident, or portray confidence when the environment is not confident in them, and even ones family members are shooting them down, in public, infront of people they have never met. During these interactions, people usually put on their virtue signalling best face, this was why this incident was so revealing even with this widely accepted premise and everyone acting in this way, my mum was so revolted by it she was compulsed to say what she said.

[–]LeakyGuts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This made tears well up in my eyes. Thank you so, so much for your eloquent description of the blackpill and inceldom in this and your original comment. I feel like you’ve put the pieces together for me in a way which I feel I’ve always inherently known but could never fully quantify and lay out in this way. For me this post is the epitome of blackpill posts.

[–]Archmage_Saltcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Irrefutable proof of BBP theory(Big Black Pill)

Absolutely brutal

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I enjoyed this read

[–]eidolize12 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

this is very well written. and the section dealing with the halo effect was spot on. i lost a ton of weight over the past few years and have been slowly improving my looks and the way that people react to me has improved. it scales with how much better i look to others, not only with trying to get a gf. i get text messages every now and then from people to "check" on me to see how im doing. i get invited places sometimes, when i go out to a bar people may buy a me drink etc. before my weight loss i was treated like absolute garbage. constant rudeness, overt and micro aggression was served to me daily. physical intimidation by other people that would initiate almost on sight. of course no friends, if i tried to speak in front of others i would be ridiculed. before my weight loss i could apply to thousands of job and get no replies. now i can find temp jobs here and there. sometimes they invite me for a lunch or to get drinks. i still wish i was dead even though things are slowly improving. all the bullying, and being outcast that i was blamed for in the past, i now realize it was INTENTIONAL and DELIBERATE by those who were in contact with me. people actually do nice things for me sometimes, it stands out to me because my whole life i was never treated this way. i dont know if i want to continue "improving" however. im tired of the game. i just want to quit

[–]simulacransimulation[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is prophetic, but may I add another layer of analysis, the problem of differing people's perspective based upon their own experience. I believe there is a cutoff point, of which people who have not been systematically and perpetually treated poorly by the spectrum of society, cannot conceptualize another's suffering socially. Furthermore, they cannot conceptualize the effect this suffering has, (as I have just posted above) on another person's quality of life.

This leads to a tremendous disconnect between these two social groups, akin to a Democrat/ Republican split, where they cannot even countenance each others argument. This is further complicated because their relative advantageous position socially, is based on the very discrimination you speak of. The social hierarchy of which they are higher than you or others is predicated on the Lookism, fatism, that you have been a victim of. Therefore it is in their best interest to perpetuate this paradigm, this informs their behaviour at every level. From what they eat to what they wear, to the friends they keep, who they value in their lives the effect is enormous/incalculable.

I believe to some degree, they cannot fathom a society in which these hierarchies do not exist, because it threatens their very position. It scares them to remove this framework as this lays naked everyone, for what they are or do not what they appear to be. As they themselves know they have leveraged this social advantage to such a degree, to remove this would leave them without a competitive advantage, without a bias in their favour, it is like an over-leveraged bank in a financial crisis.

The enlightenment you are experience is rare however, as many people do not see things for what they are because they have not experienced first hand the incredible low of human discrimination continuously. Also many people who bounce up the pyramid forget their own experience just because their own has relatively improved, NEVER FORGET.

[–]crestind-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The mod of this sub is a lazy shithead.

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