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On TRP a poster listed out a set of behaviors that women use to take over the frame of a relationship and chain down a man's commitment. They include what I call Alpha Fucks, Beta Sucks

Nagging

Criticizing and shaming

Drama and Theatrics

All sorts of shit and compliance tests

Ever unhappy and not good enough

The courtroom - where you are on trial and you must be guilty, or her ego might die.

Getting him to work

This problem is far more acute for married men - who are tested day in and out.

However, just as men need sex, but also need a woman to respect and love him, women need commitment, but also need a man whom they can respect and be attracted to.

This is part of the betaization process and apart from genuinely low value behaviours in most beta husbands / guys, it is entirely politics of frame. Underneath the loving vibes and feels, our hormones mask the reality that both alpha fucks and beta bucks are essentially selfish in nature and are devoid of virtue (WTF is that?)

And this is the most important thing - the more she wins, the more she stars setting the narrative for the relationship, the more it validates your low value in her eyes, and the greater the contempt she will have for you. This will, it WILL, result in her eventually losing attraction for you and moving on.

The moment you agree to the trial is when you have already lost, because you will not win, not in her world, her frame, her rules. Her ego and emotions at that moment are only in a mood to inflict pain and validate herself. Be aware that her pain body (yes, women have it, I've seen it, often) usually comes to life in moments of extreme neediness and never allow yourself to get swept into that. Egos when triggered are utterly self righteous and rationalize their actions away, because if they're wrong, it just invalidated and diminished them. This is threatening and painful to the ego - very few women have any strength to let go of their egos. If it goes down, what's left of you? (or so it thinks).

You can be rest assured that an emotional ego will do everything to win. For all the talk of male ego, men tend to be more objective and truth oriented and this makes it easier to let go of their egos than women's sollipsistic nature allows them to.

The more her ego increases, the more her neediness and contempt, pain and hyper-reactivity increases, which is a feedback cycle. This will end in mental illness, because high ego and insanity are directly correlated. Don't believe me, look around. See for yourself - the modern woman. This is why trying to please her won't work - because her painful ego only increases.

If her ego becomes too needy, it can become a force of mutually assured destruction even.

I had an ex who was ax-crazy in running her "courtroom". I know what I'm talking about - most lawyers in the Supreme Court didn't have her natural talent. I lost, because it was a battle I could never win. She wasn't normal after a point - I realized the only way to win was to end it - she knew that and did everything possible If you let her have her way, she will create enough pain to kill the relationship.

Even if she doesn't overtly make your life miserable, she'll try to domesticate you into compliance. Unfortunately, a sanitized piece of life is a sterilized piece of life, and your mental castration will kill the raw, wild energy that triggers her sexual attraction and respect to you.

So what's the solution? The answer lies in your own growth and self awareness. You need to own your shit, improve your situational awareness, you need to know what's really going on. You need to stay stoic and not fall into her well of pain, you need to stop wondering what she needs and make her do what you need and what you know she needs. You need to shrug off the shit tests and compliance tests. You need wisdom to bring your wild horse under your command without castrating it - that way the raw power is ever available the moment you decide it's needed. You need to proactively set the standards for raising the kids. You need to let your family know that you are fully aware of what you're doing, and they should respect that. The more alpha you become, the less you will be castrated (although shit tests won't end, they'll become benign)

You need to keep the intensity of your energy and involvement with life very high, because the wild guy within you didn't die, he just changed form, but underneath that he's as wild as ever. Don't let the world forget that you own your wildness and their ideas to castrate you are not the solution.

A cat might make a cute pet, but only a tiger is held in awe. Because power. Because we respect and admire what is bigger than us. Because something greater than us makes us humble and snaps us out of our ego. When we have escaped the ego, the better side of ourselves emerges. Women are by nature far more reactive than a mature man - if a man knows this he can play her like a piano rather than breaking his head over wondering what she needs. A moon needs a sun to humble it, simple.

Wisdom, not castration, is the solution to managing your wild animal well. As a man you are already wired for wisdom more naturally than a woman or a child. Use it. Be a wise tiger, not a foolish neutered cat.

If you can use your relationships as an opportunity to get more aware, stronger and wiser, you have won the war, even if you lose the battles. Good or bad, happy or miserable, you will always find an opportunity for this one thing, to grow and become more aware, and I strongly recommend you to learn this art. This will ground you on a foundation that can't be shaken easily. People only shake you to the extent they can get away with it.

The more needy you are for them, the more they can have power over you. Do not let your sun become her moon. For e.g. A man's emotional state that comes from a point of abundance is not something that needs his woman to make it what it is - it is energized by it's own energy. She only has power over what you commit to her. When you do not commit anything, she's powerless. Leave your needy ego at the door, and you will have more power and abundance than you can ever imagine.

Only when a man realizes this does he even realize how much power he had the whole time. He must put the right price on it, sex is cheap, commitment is not. To own your commitment even when the state laws and courts are against you requires a man to overcome the primal fear of death and loss - this enemy is only within. Fear makes him needy. Fearlessness is the much harder path, but it is freedom. A man needs spirituality, surrender and awareness for this reason (not religious, religion is just a betaization machine, but real spirituality knowing how the universe works and cutting down the false ego and it's illusions).

Every man comes with one more job in his relationship - cutting down her ego. You can't learn to cut her ego down if you haven't learnt to cut down your own - part of Red Pill is to realize that life's laws are bigger than you, and that itself brings down your ego to a point where positive transformation is possible. And you're not the only one who needs that. It's almost certain these days that she needs it far more than you.

The more her ego goes down, the more her respect for you will go up. Part of the reason why she goes into an emotional meltdown when she tests you (and when you pass the test) is that her ego did diminish, that too at a moment where it was rather enjoying the party, and this is painful to her at first, but when she's calm and more aware she respects you the more for it. It is actually the best thing for her ego to go down, it will allow her natural femininity to come out. Her own abundance will emerge, and she will learn gratitude rather than bitch about how life's always unfair and how she's the only victim.

The more her ego goes down and the more her respect increases, the more her hamster will justify your actions than her self righteous expectations - women really can't get rid of their hamster, so what happens is that her hamster works for you instead. Without a massive pruning of the modern woman's ego, it's foolish for a man to expect anything of worth for the price of his commitment. And the process only starts when a man acknowledges and embraces his role as the guardian of commitment and lives the life where he can put a high enough price that she needs to earn.

If your relationship doesn't survive that, it wasn't authentic to begin with. It's selfishness and ego could not hide forever, and eventually the truth had to come out. Better to be honest with the red pill and swallow it once, than to be deceived for life and ever frustrated. Self transformation raises your energy to another level, changes the very vibes of presence and transforms your relationships and your life. Those who are honestly incapable of staying with that will drop away. It's good for you down the road, and good for them, because in the process their egos probably received a sound thrashing they did not expect. They may keep doing the same thing over and over again until they wake up. In the meantime, it's time for you to live that high value life.


[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nagging; Criticizing and shaming; Ever unhappy and not good enough

Those are reactions to you being a shitty version of yourself.

Drama and Theatrics;

Don't tolerate that sort of behavior. If you allow it, you should not be surprised she does it. Especially if you indulge in it and it's how she gets her feelz off you.

All sorts of shit and compliance tests

Not a bug, a feature.

The courtroom - where you are on trial and you must be guilty, or her ego might die.

Here's the victim part WNS is talking about. If you think you're in a courtroom and she's the judge then you never had any frame to start with. Go back to square one and read WISNIFG. Read our wiki posts on frame and OI.

I was going to take this down, but like a scuttled ship just off shore, this post will serve as a warning for future MRP mariners.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I always felt like I was in a courtroom but both my wife and I are lawyers. Fortunately for me I am the wordsmith and a much better litigator. It doesn't matter she tried to put you on trial so long as you are the judge and jury!

[–]BigGayGainz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The prosicution once said to the defense, "You know what I hate about you? Your logic". Kindest thing she ever said to me.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course she felt that way! Logic is a tool of the patriarchy.

[–]AechzenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fun off-topic story. I saw a demo of a very-high-end video conferencing solution a few years ago. Cisco Telepresence. This was the version that cost more than a million at the time. The tech told me that he was giving a demo to a law firm and heard all this arguing, and was concerned the system was malfunctioning. Turned out that was just the law firm putting the product through its paces. They bought the product, after being convinced it was sufficient for their needs. (My company bought something much, much cheaper.)

[–]Throwawayhelper4201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“The moment you agree to the trial is when you have already lost”

I think he agrees with you and this is more of a warning post. What you absolutely will experience if you don’t own your shit and develop strong frame.

[–]mrp_awakening7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great shit here, and a lot hits close to home. I saw and saved that post on TRP. Lengthy post, but my main takeaways and thoughts are:

The more needy you are for [her], the more [she] can have power over you... She only has power over what you commit to her. When you do not commit anything, she's powerless.

Nuff Said. Dial back commitment when possible (say no to compliance tests, pass shit tests, etc...) and you'll gain power (and respect) back.

Fear makes him needy. Fearlessness is the much harder path, but it is freedom.

A major realization for me came when I realized that perhaps the defining trait of masculinity is not just fearlessness, but perhaps even embracing or even enjoying discomfort or pain when being driven accomplishing goals. If you google masculinity, it's often defined by a set of nebulous traits that vary by culture... but after distilling everything down, this is what I found I was left with. Aggression, physical prowess, career drive, assertiveness, using direct conflict, etc... they are secondary, and can be taken back to that definition. Notice that I argue one needs to push beyond being just fearless, and actually start finding enjoyment in things or situations that were found to be fearful or discomforting before. There's plenty of examples, but I'll give two here. Lifting at the gym. Takes work and during the lifts your muscles burn and ache. And then they burn and ache for a few days after. However, I can honestly say that that pain is one of the best feelings in the world. I enjoy the fuck outta it, even though it's painful at it's core. There's something about pushing through and enjoying pain when accomplishing goals that makes you feel invincible. Second example... in Amused Mastery, one often finds humor, enjoys, and even laughs in the face of shit tests. Again, it's enjoying a situation that should be uncomfortable, and the result is increased attraction (masculinity is sexy).

[–]fischbrot5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i had all this shit while growing up with a single mother and a cunt sister.

the scars are deep

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

FWIW you will get a lot of shit for posting about how women think but sometimes its worth exploring that from a purely analytical perspective and can help bring better understanding - this is why I like Rollo's posts a lot but find little practical usage for them.

It's interesting because I have been kicking some thoughts in my head around the process of building to a main event as it has been part of RP that seemed to not have been flushed out well. Many guys have them and believe its a required tipping point in the relationship and others never have one but still see a turnaround. The one thing I hadn't thought about was a main event in the context of a woman's ego and bringing the whole process full circle. We see a lot about the betaization process and its effect on men but you have outlined essentially what that process does to a woman - builds her ego. This is why they branch swing because their ego gets to a point after you have been a drunk captain long enough where they really truly believe they are so much better and deserve better. MRP basically reverses that process for her and slowly over time will chip away at her ego and this is where the main event differences occur. Some women are able to kill their ego much like we are able to through our own self introspection (or in many cases some good ole fashion hamstering) and in those cases there is no need for a main event. But other women will hold to their ego so tightly that it requires a build up to the main event where their ego is killed for them and they are looking for reassurance and guidance on their self worth. Of course, you get the third case where she is just so entrenched in her ego that she can't move forward and the relationship ends.

What does this all mean for us? Nothing really to be honest because the why doesn't really matter even if its interesting - plan is still and always will be to lift, STFU, sidebar.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

solid analysis, and congrats on your flair. i was just thinking a few days ago that you needed it.

it's a point i make over and over to bros on OYS, if the ordinance your dropping is not moving her increase the size of the ordinance. people in general, and women in particular, always see themselves as the righteous victim. nothing substantial happens (on her end) until the "i'm fucking this up" alarm goes off in her head.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I hadn't noticed I got flaired.

I completely agree - some guys hamstring their MAP/progress because they can't deal with the discomfort it causes their wives. It just becomes a big game of a game of dance, monkey, dance and a big pity party over lack of her progress. She sees through it easily and she strings him along with some good old fashion duty sex and he lives out his days in her frame.

At the end of the day everything in life comes down to two basic questions:

- What do you want?

- How far are you willing to go to get it?

[–]SKRedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I came here because I wanted to move on somewhat from the TRP sub - it's getting filled up with teenagers. So ok, I have some knowledge. I lift, I do the reading. I have started observing. I've started getting some verbal wit. Doing self improvement. I've solved some of my own shit this year. It's a start, there's a long way to go.

MRPs are older and face a different set of challenges (which are in my opinion another level of difficult). They've got more experience. I was married myself and it kicked me in the balls to wake me up.

Ok, having said this, I should STFU and listen, cause the experience level is older and higher here.

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

STFU and listen

Good plan, but here's a better one: STFU for now and get deep on our sidebar, particularly our wiki. We have material TRP does not.

[–]Kpwn881 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

why doesn't really matter even if its interesting

Knowing the why helps better to understand the how that comes after.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MRP focuses more on practice than theory.

If you're interested in theory, /r/PurplePillDebate is the place you want to be.

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

What does "main event" mean?

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Do you want me to hold your dick while you pee?

[–]mountainbiker1781 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Stroke it too while you're at it.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Would be the most action you got all week...

[–]mountainbiker1781 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The most action from the most experienced anyway...

Hey, I was just looking for a simplified definition. I've read the story on the sidebar. I've seen different people use the term in different ways...

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Its a nuclear level shit test where she throws everything at you usually including divorce in order to wrestle back control in the relationship. You pass and she submits and you take control of the relationship, you fail and your balls go back in her purse.

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope it was as good for you as it was for him.

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha. Yeah. Hey, btw, I had my brother listen to your entire series on YouTube. Very well done.

[–]Kpwn880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Read the sidebar

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have. I was just looking for a definition, like SMV means "sexual market place".

[–]weakandsensitive12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This article is written by a weak man with a victim complex.

I lost, because it was a battle I could never win.

We have an entire series of how to prep for a divorce. We've had posters write about their successes in the family courts. Victimized thinking.

The main actor throughout the entire article is a the woman. The writer is continually acted upon. Think about what that means in terms of frame.

The rest of this article is filled with platitudes, as if it's inevitable. "Do you hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability." I hate when people try to paint the world as if it's set in stone. I hate when people say "you need to x, y, z." because fuck that, and fuck you.

Dear MRP retard, let me caution you against any advice that states what YOU should do, and what they KNOW is inevitable --

the more she wins, the more she stars setting the narrative for the relationship, the more it validates your low value in her eyes, and the greater the contempt she will have for you. This will, it WILL, result in her eventually losing attraction for you and moving on.

Why the fuck would I NOT want my wife to get wins? Am I so petty and so insecure that I can't cheer for other people's successes? Am I crab in a bucket?

See - the weak shitty man who doesn't deserve any respect goes around trying to build himself up by cutting everyone else down, because that man is inherently insecure.

Man who are valuable, make the people around him better (sometimes after choosing that they bring enough value to put effort into making better).

This essay was one of the better sales pitches for MGTOW I’ve seen in a while.

If you want to be a MGTOW, I don't know what to tell you. Those guys are the biggest fucking victims in the world. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that people find them unattractive.

YOUR woman acts shitty because YOU have conditioned her that it's okay to act shitty.

[–]BarracudaRPMRP APPROVED / Dreadful '190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

+1 and saved for my own reference

newbs: confused by this thread? Start here

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The mindset here reminds me of radical feminism

[–]DicamVeritatem7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This essay was one of the better sales pitches for MGTOW I’ve seen in a while.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny you say that. All these principles are especially important in a married relationship. But as I found out, sometimes once you decide to take the pill, you might realize your relationship was already long dead and it was just waiting for that overdue grave. Mine was one such case.

So some months back I got out of what had turned into a living hell and it was around that time I found all this. Can't tell you how true the betaization process was, as is the rest of everything else here. I could see stuff happening almost word for word.

I happen to have a dad who's become extremely beta, to the extent that my mum once said that nature swapped their actual genders. Well, I'll tell you that even I have a hard time respecting him. Now I'm not ungrateful. He did a lot for me and brought our family to a level where I don't even need to work for an income, but hey, when you have to deal with people daily, it's often the present that matters. It's only now I understand why my mum seems to talk with a certain amount of contempt to him. I mean, he still doesn't see the point of even lifting right now.

Can't tell you just how much a beta father and a mum wearing the pants unknowingly fucks up their son's growth, physically and mentally.

[–]Kpwn882 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This essay was one of the better sales pitches for MGTOW I’ve seen in a while.

Bullshit. MGTOW are egotistical cowards afraid to pick their heads out of their shells.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I skimmed this while waiting in line for my amazing 151 Irish Sin coffee.

Whatever fag wrote:

“You enter a relationship to cut down the woman’s ego” or whatever the exact quote was

Is some next level faggotry thinking.

Dont have time to read crap like that.

[–]weakandsensitive6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank got the only flaired poster posting recognized how weak this article was.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You enter a relationship for many reasons, biological and otherwise. But if you let your woman's ego grow, she will start to lose her respect for you. And that's the beginning of your end.

So once you're in a relationship that's getting to the girlfriend / LTR level, this becomes important. Unless you want to know first hand what contempt feels like at the receiving end. I've been there - I know what humiliation feels like. Now I have sworn to change.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But if you let your woman's ego grow, she will start to lose her respect for you. And that's the beginning of your end.

This is so wrong, not because it's wrong, but because thinking in this manner is detrimental to personal growth. You know what, you should spend more time at MGTOW with that type of thinking.

I'm going to give you some time to spend over at MGTOW and you can figure out if you prefer that type of victimized thinking or if you'd rather embrace personal ownership.

Three years ago, MRP had a huge thing for Extreme Ownership. Thematically - personal ownership, focusing on what you can control, and rejecting inevitability - are going to remain the foundations behind MRP. That's a message I'm not willing to dilute.

[–]Redpillbrigade173 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fucking solid post bro. Saving it.

[–]BarracudaRPMRP APPROVED / Dreadful '197 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

This post belongs in TRP. Too many of these words are devoted to explaining the nature of women, why they are bad and will make your life bad if you let them. A lot of language trying to be inspirational, bold fonts and 10,000 words to say: "ego is bad, be stoic"?

This is not a field report, nothing new is added here. If anything, it takes away from the self-work that needs to be done by distracting with false ideas: that women are the enemy, or that anything we're doing is reactionary to them.

[–]firstlight7777 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I beg to differ, this is exactly how my 15 year marriage gas gone. Perhaps when he talks about breaking down her ego, this in involves negging? We are taught from childhood, to always build a woman up. I really struggle with negging my wife, and not letting her feelings dictate mine. I think this is a great post.

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that whole thing is written from the perspective of a man who wants to be a victim.

The thematic content isn't a problem. The portrayal is weak. MRP preaches extreme ownership.

[–]JCX_PulseFreedom isn't free2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I appreciated the debate and the foundation of your argument with awakening. I found it to be an interesting learning experience and also gave me some faith in humanity to see an internet argument/debate have such rational and logical thought, void of attacks or emotion. As a newb, learning and knowing vs internalizing and knowing is where I often fall short in my process. Having you fully express the deep understanding of the RP principles helps me apply them to my life. Thank you and MRP awakening for this demonstration.

[–]mrp_awakening7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly how my 4 years of marriage have gone. I'd even go as far as to argue the opposite of Barracuda here... This post is more relevant on MRP than TRP. When spinning plates ala TRP, you can easily let one go and find a new one when a plate starts pulling that power dynamic shit. If you're high value, women usually wait a bit before pulling out the nagging, drama, and shame tactics. In married life, they do it all the time. It's also much easier to fall into that slow Betaization, and it's much more imperative to fight back on it.

[–]weakandsensitive-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

If you're high value, women usually wait a bit before pulling out the nagging, drama, and shame tactics.

Listen - you're new. If you insist on acting like you're a victim and helpless to this shit, you're better off at MGTOW.

Women act shitty because men let women act shitty.

[–]Kpwn883 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women act shitty because men let women act shitty.

You can't stop it. The only thing you can do is give her reminders why it isn't worth it when she does.

[–]mrp_awakening2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You didn't understand my point. I'm not being a victim. OP's post was in response to a TRP post about how women use those tactics (nagging, drama, shame, compliance testing) specifically to gain power in a relationship. Read the top of OP's post. I'm just saying that those guns don't get pulled out early in a relationship... they don't work until there's some baseline level of commitment beyond a plate type arraignment. If you're high value, women try to first get commitment with sex not those tactics. That's why this is more relevant to MRP than TRP.

[–]weakandsensitive5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you on relevance. I disagree with you on cause.

If you think increased "nagging, drama, shame, compliance testing" just magically happens, and that your actions and responses have nothing to do with it, than I don't know what to tell you. It's the fact that your bitch ass puts up with her bullshit that leads her to thinking it's okay for her to pull that bullshit with you

use those tactics (nagging, drama, shame, compliance testing) specifically to gain power in a relationship

If you're with a woman that's that machivellian, who's intent is to "gain power" - and you're still choosing to stay - that's on you. If you think women intentionally are trying to gain leverage, that they do this consciously, that is a weak, victim based mindset. Women aren't some boogeyman out there to get you. Shift your shitty ass mindset.

[–]mrp_awakening4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's the fact that your bitch ass puts up with her bullshit that leads her to thinking it's okay for her to pull that bullshit with you

Agree 100%.

If you think women intentionally are trying to gain leverage, that they do this consciously

I don't think they do it consciously. All women shit test, and I'd think none are even aware that they're doing it. A lot of what they do is subconscious and I'm 100% with you that it's driven by the man's behavior. Putting up with bullshit leads to more bullshit.

[–]weakandsensitive7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think they do it consciously.

Exactly - which is why I see men who try to ascribe it up to malicious intent as weak men who are looking to be victimized. It's the same when people complain that the weather is out to get them, or that their airplane delay is intentionally trying to ruin their vacation.

It's wrong to attribute something to malice, when there's no malicious intent involved. It speaks to that individual's mindset.

I'm sure you've noticed by now that the majority of OYS is men working on themselves, whether that's physical or mindset.

[–]framelessglasses5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly - which is why I see men who try to ascribe it up to malicious intent as weak men who are looking to be victimized

Describes almost every noob ever......

[–]mrp_awakening4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the same when people complain that the weather is out to get them, or that their airplane delay is intentionally trying to ruin their vacation.

That was worth a chuckle.

When I see generalized shit about shit testing or female tactics used to gain power, I've always read it not as a woman's malice, but rather just how their nature can be malicious if left unchecked/unchallenged.

You're right though about OP's post, and as a mod you definitely need to keep a keen eye out. It's critical to keep discussion on point, promote individual ownership of problems, and eliminating victim mentality from creeping in.

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hanlins razor?

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without the stupidity.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a typo. Hanlon's razor. Grice and Occam are also very useful when it comes to frame.

[–]SKRedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it was a copy off. I'll take care next time.

[–]3legsbetterGrinding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm so confused.

[–]Kpwn880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Leave your needy ego at the door, and you will have more power and abundance than you can ever imagine.

I'm posting this on my desk. Kind of paradoxical, considering the ego wants the power and abundance.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is threatening and painful to the ego - very few women have any strength to let go of their egos.

the single nugget of truth in this otherwise pile of nonsense. IMHO, a feature of women in general is that once their ego (self view) is pierced they all collapse into a heaping pile of sobbing emotions. i consider my wife to have one of the strongest frames of any woman i ever met; but the half dozen times in 30 years that her ego was really pierced she literally went in to the fetal position crying unable to get out of bed for hours or days.

i think this is one of the main reasons are attracted to men with strong frames. they need a backstop to support them when their entire world is crashing down around them. this deep need for frame is why she's constantly testing.

the rest of your post reads like "i build myself up by tearing those around me down". weak. always better to build those around you up.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for blessing my day with this post.

[–]PlateTheory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for posting something valuable without using fancy intellectual words that every non native speaker needs to google.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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