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I am corious how much muscles actually help get women, Im 6'1'' and been gymcelling hard. Anyone has any opinion on muscular men or studies? Thanks!


[–]filletz 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

not anywhere near as important as the face but it helps for sure.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes but by how much? I have an avg face maybe bit above but Im gymcelling hard and after that I attracted way more average looking women in my school

[–]PenileFacial-Surgery0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Average looking women, are you are “Above Average” by your claims already.

For you to really have benefit, you need at less average height and face already, since they are much more important

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I was mistaken then

[–]Bluefishermen13-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Being tall beats muscles all day, it even excuses a sucky face

[–]FatmanO[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tbh I was tall but had a very bad face after weight loss, possibly due to shit hormones for being fat for 11 years.

I started lifting and the change is amazing. Im 6' 1''

[–]xroxn 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Face change?

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I possibly didnt lose fat as I gained 11kgs. My jaw structure hasnt changed but I still look more attractive. Idk why and its like that for most lifters

[–]VertexSoup8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

5'7 mediocre hapa here who had utterly no prior success.

I threw myself into bodybuilding pretty hardcore, tracking every calorie and lifting hard and heavy for years. After a cut I simply couldn't believe how women were reacting. I've never seen anyone flirt as hard IRL as they did with me, it was insane.

Only seems to work for a subset of women though. I think a certain fraction of the population just really adore the look of muscle, like all the guys who are into /r/hardbodies.

[–]FatmanO[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How did they react when your bulked up tho?

[–]VertexSoup10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nowhere near as good, but good enough for a muscular (shirted) selfie that showed off a pretty big forearm.

The forearm pic was by far the most successful one I used on dating sites. Way better than all the "me with friends" ones. (those just showed how short I was) Lost my V card to a girl who was all over my muscles. She remarked "oooh nice" when I pulled my shirt off, although it was jokingly followed by "hey, where's the abs?"

Having a girl who likes you for your body is the best thing ever. I can't fathom how good it must be for the big D guys.

[–]FatmanO[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What happened to me today is a girl started testing my pecs and then asked to exchange snap streaks. Not bad for myself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

After a cut I simply couldn't believe how women were reacting. I've never seen anyone flirt as hard IRL as they did with me, it was insane.

These females were reacting and flirting to u when u were wearing normal stret clothes?

[–]VertexSoup2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, t-shirt (well fitted), jeans, baseball cap.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wow even for a short happen this happens. I am tall and white and have never had this, but ive always been above 15% BF powerlifter mode Fuck i need to cut bad lol

[–]abolish_the_divine6 points7 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

i'm 6'1" as well and started from about 140lbs. in school girls talked to me but i was too retarded to do anything about it. it wasn't until i got to 220lbs that interesting things started happening, like women approaching me in the street, etc, and not just ugly women.

the thing about the face is, i feel like, either i was still developing or something or my face grew substantial "musculature" from training, because i used to have my jaw taper down from my cheek bones, kind of like a heart shape if that makes sense, but after i started training, my face turned into a square. all that bulk went everywhere pretty much. people don't appreciate how different you can look if you really try to gain a shitload of muscle.

[–]MagusMassi 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy Link

it's possible that you were still getting older and your face was developing, but you can't put on bone mass by weight training, you could have gotten a broader neck which can give the illusion of a broader jaw.

[–]abolish_the_divine2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

you have muscles in your jaw that can get bigger as your whole body gets bigger. i've seen it happen with other people as well.

[–]MagusMassi 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy Link

The masseter muscle is the only muscle in you lower jaw, your mandible, which will only grow if you train it (for example chewing or mewing), if you train just your bicep, only the involved muscles with the movement will grow, mostly the bicep. If you do bicep curls you jaw won't magically grow.

[–]abolish_the_divine-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

lol @ biceps curls. try heavy bench presses, squats and deadlifts. your face changes a lot going from 140lbs to 220lbs. try it. except i know you won't.

[–]MagusMassi 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

Bicep curls was just an example, I've been powerlifting for a couple years now, so I know my stuff. My face has gotten wider which I think is due to puberty, the only reason your face would change when putting on weight is due to muscle gain in your neck/traps which you would train with shrugs or deadlifts by holding heavy weight.

When you look at the anatomy of the jaw, you have your mandible which is the bone of your lower jaw, which is unchangeable, and you have a muscle on top, the masseter, muscles grow when they're used in an exercise, your masseter contracts only in an exercise where you extend it, which is a chewing motion.

Therefore the only change you'll see in your face when weightlifting can be bloat/water storage, fat percentage, or actual hypertrophy when doing face exercises.

Google "masseter hypertrophy", that's what it looks like when you've trained your masseter muscle. I wouldn't suggest it because it's going to look weird. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do to change the width of your mandible.

[–]abolish_the_divine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

listen, i don't mean to start some fight with you because i don't really give a shit, but do you realize how much you clench your jaw when you do a heavy lift? i don't know what percentages you're using in your training but i'm one of those retarded "no pain no gain" people or maybe because that's what always worked for me, but lots of max effort lifts DO train the masseter muscle. i googled masseter hypertrophy - that's exactly what i'm talking about.

there are also a ton of studies out there about how isolating body parts is literally impossible, there are always effects to the surrounding tissues, and especially with bigger lifts. i've always structured my training around the big 3, it's just what i enjoy. i admit "chest and bi's" bro's don't go through quite the same transformation, though. still, impossible to truly isolate.

did you know that there are residual training effects on a disabled limb, like if you fucked up your arm and could only train one side, the other side also grows, albeit less? everything's connected!

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Tbh my face got a lot better after bulk than after weight loss when I was skinny as hell, but my chin is recessed a bit so that might be that

[–]MagusMassi 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you were just that skinny that your face had just too little fat. You can look up Conor McGregor when he did a cut for featherweight vs when he fights at a higher weight, his face looks better with more fat on his body.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://imgur.com/ycaGzjX https://imgur.com/z2exGbR Here are some more prelifting ones, that one is badly taken!

[–]FatmanO[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Good point! This is 3months vs after fat loss

THIS: https://imgur.com/a/V4DdBQb

This is me now: https://imgur.com/a/xmExtvi

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[–]MagusMassi 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I agree, after looks better

[–]bathorygoat0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Howd you gain so much weight

[–]abolish_the_divine0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

just eating a lot

[–]bathorygoat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was at 5k a day and nothing

[–]abolish_the_divine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

what do you do? run marathons? i drank a gallon of milk a day on top of whatever i ate and started growing. besides gym i mostly sat on my ass though. PS bathory rules.

[–]bathorygoat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No? I'm 6'4" and eat so much protein and carbs and am stuck at 210

[–]abolish_the_divine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well that's not too bad, man. you're probably not a stick, right. but if you really wanna gain weight, do the GOMAD diet, start adding olive oil to your foods, eat more calorie dense foods in general. i've never eaten clean, but i never turned into an outright fatass either. i always cared more about strength than looks though.

[–]Bluefishermen13-4 points-3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

a 6´1 guy has all he needs to get womens attention, if you cant the problem is in your head

[–]FatmanO[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a 6´1 guy has all he needs to get womens attention, if you cant the problem is in your head

Thats true but I noticed with lifting I attract a lot more women than skinny 6' 1''

[–]abolish_the_divine1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

ok manlet

[–]Bluefishermen13-5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That response says a lot about you and how emotionally weak you are.

Weak.

[–]abolish_the_divine1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

ok manlet

[–]xroxn 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nigger

[–]abolish_the_divine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahaha what?

[–]Bluefishermen13-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, continue being butthurt bitch, its delicious

[–]GoTransOrRope3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I can tell you from experience that women were much happier to see me when I had my shirt off, a good tan going (which is key), and a clearly defined and swollen musculature.

[–]FatmanO[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I need a tan Werent they attracted to you already when you took the shirt off? I wanna ask a girl out but Im corious how much muscles will help me to getting a date

[–]GoTransOrRope11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you have good face and clearly a good body underneath your shirt, you can get positive reactions from some women. But there's a big difference in women's reactions when you have a ripped physique, the downside is that some women won't talk to you with your shirt off if there are too many people around.

If you want to find out which women are attracted to you, wear dark jeans (or running shorts if its warm enough), and a solid color shirt that fits, meaning the shoulder seam goes over your shoulders. The best colors to wear are black, red, dark blue, dark green. Rich, new looking colors subconsciously signal vitality. Women do not respond to light colors.

Put yourself out in a place with lots of women walking around that are your type. Do a bunch of pushups beforehand to get your muscles bulging. They like that shit. Make strong eye contact with each woman that you find attractive, smile, and lift your hand up as to wave.

Some women will look away disinterested, some will hold eye contact and smile, some will do this submissive smile while looking down. You'll pickup quickly by their reactions which ones like you. Also, weather has a huge influence on people's moods. Expect your best days to be when its warm and sunny outside.

Your looks alone won't carry you. You're also going to need to have enough social skills to flirt and form an emotional connection. I lack that so that's where my advice ends :p

And take 4000 IU of vitamin D so your body has enough to make decent amounts of testosterone which will help you in your interactions.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks man, good shit! Any guides on emotional stuff?

[–]GoTransOrRope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I googled some stuff on flirting and forming emotional connections, but none of it means anything to me. I might just be autistic or broken though.

[–]HolidayLemon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find the shirt colors thing interesting. Is it from studies or your opinion. Got a source?

[–]GoTransOrRope3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trial and error. You can test it yourself, just find a large sample size of women and gather data on days that have similar weather patterns (warm, sunny, cloud-free sky, etc.).

[–]WingTune0 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where to buy this 4000 IU of vitamin D?

[–]GoTransOrRope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Grocery stores, Amazon.

[–]redditispurecockshit2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

My face is avg or a bit above and Im tall tho so It might make a diffrence. also im in high school where it matters a lot more.

I hope you do approach women tho

[–]redditispurecockshit2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I used to. You quit trying after a while.

If you're actually that tall, decent face, and gymcelling you really don't have an excuse.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you really short?

[–]redditispurecockshit1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

5'8 : /

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Its fine still lift. People lift as 5 5

[–]redditispurecockshit1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn't plan on quitting.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is my body at 6 months of lifting. Im 6' 2'' Its pretty shit tbh but ill continue for another 6 months

[–]redditispurecockshit0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You forgot the link

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I am alot bigger than you and on anabolics. It can help, but the average man workout so to even be special you have to be genetic elite size, even then I believe its more so the width of your shoulders that matter, and at 5'8 it wont mean shit. Peak physical condition, only makes up for 1-2 inches in height at most it seems.

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[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thats true but then you can body mog all 5' 8'' still

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

yea but women are chad chasers, if your white then you can get an asian. But a 5'8 white would need genetic elite body to compete with a 6'2 man

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most people arent 6 2 man tho

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea but due to hypergamy those who arnt hardly even matter

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't yo think most guys athat are hot are mostly taken by other hot girls anyway? They wont go around and cheat tbh

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think hot guys have multiple various hot girls and average girls, my chad dad does and still does.

[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

I mean I did find a page that determined this (literally forgot what it was) and it stated that most women were interested in brad Pitt body types (especially his body I fight club) compared massive muscle men (even though they still attract a fraction of the voters).

Edit: I will try to see if I can find it since it has a lot more.

Edit 2: http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitness-lifestyle/the-ideal-male-physique-%E2%80%94-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/

Here you go

[–]cobalt17281 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"37.3% think that men should look good naturally without any effort"

Ok so we are supposed to be lean and jacked without effort, got it. Fuck women.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably think of good genetics, or it could possibly mean building muscle with swimming or doing other work.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

I mean I did find a page that determined this (literally forgot what it was) and it stated that most women were interested in brad Pitt body types (especially his body I fight club) compared massive muscle men (even though they still attract a fraction of the voters).

Thanks, my question is tho, as I already read this tho.

How much does it help based on attraction, not what is ideal male psyhique. Thanks tho!

[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Well you should be fine muscles wise and height but it really boils down to looks.

[–]FatmanO[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Looks is face?

[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes but then again what if my face is average and Im 6' 1'' and atm Im maxing hard in gym for like 6 months

This is my face atm: https://imgur.com/Kf5OFzl https://imgur.com/3Q2PEM3

[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yh your fine. You will get a girlfriend but they won’t flock to you since you’re not MM (Male Model) tier, instead you need to start approaching girls. Just go on TRP (TheRedPill sub) if you need advice on how to approach.

Edit: since I’ve seen your pics I’d advise to get rid of them for your own safety.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean I do attract women and Im volcel by far.

Problem is I only attract average and cant seem to get above avg so I lift hard to make up for it.

To be honest there are a lot of pictures of me already as I post on trp aswell so there is no problem

[–]Swami_of_Six_Paths0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well at least you can get girls.

[–]FatmanO[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

May I ask the reason why you cant get girls? I hope you ascend bro

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