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[–]empatheticapathetic38 points39 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit by epic proportions

[–]entropyoverdrive20 points21 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

You mean the numbers are too conservative?

[–]empatheticapathetic30 points31 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I’m a 30 yr old incel virgin and I’ve probably kissed 15 girls. Women just don’t count who they’ve kissed properly. “Well he didn’t count because that was just a joke...”

[–]Ryzu1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

How the fuck do you consider yourself incel if women were willing to kiss you?

[–]empatheticapathetic8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

virgin

[–]ICQME9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

mentalcel?

[–]empatheticapathetic7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At this point, majority mental cel. Nearly there I think. Made more progress this year more than any other year due to various things.

[–]Ryzu1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That's your own fault then. You definitely aren't ugly if women are willing to kiss you.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Totally my fault, or rather, totally within my control, not necessarily my fault if I don’t know what I’m doing right/wrong.

Do all incels possess peak game and are only faulted by their looks? A large amount of incels can likely be fixed with enough time and patience (and lowering of standards). If that means he has to work on himself until 50 to get laid then so be it (merely an example).

And when I say kiss, I don’t mean made out. I mean kiss, which includes just a quick peck on the lips. Made out is probably 5.

[–]Ryzu1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

If you got into those situations in the first place you can't really have zero game.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s an extreme and naive thing to say. I might have enough game to get a kiss but not enough to steer it to sex.

A kiss for a girl is absolutely nothing. A woman kissed me in front of her hulk bodybuilder husband of 20 years to humiliate him and possibly watch me get pounded into a pulp but I ran off in time.

Of the 5 make outs, all had the intention of leading to sex but various things got in the way.

If I didn’t fuck it up due to bad game and low self confidence it was because I failed to get aroused enough to get an erection due to anxiety. This is my biggest and number 1 issue I am still dealing with to this day.

[–]abolish_the_divine1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

what happened with those 15 that it didn't lead to sex? i kissed two girls my entire life and both lead to sex, the second one became my wife

[–]empatheticapathetic7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You’re an outlier. You don’t represent the majority of men. So it’s pointless asking why my case didn’t become your case. We both exist on opposite sides of the norm.

[–]giantillusion0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I never kissed a girl and I'm 18, so I'm curious why nothing happened with those girls. Were they serious kisses?

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You’re 15 bro. You’ll get laid within the next few years. Especially so due to having access to such data. Your generation is going to be super woke.

[–]giantillusion1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lmao I meant 18. Yeah of course I'll kiss a girl, but I'll be like 25. All guys and girls I know are already baffled that I couldn't do such a basic thing for so long and the longer I wait, the more my creeper status rises.

Trust me, it's not fine to never have even held hands by 18

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You have the same delusion we all had. Holding hands doesn’t mean anything. When you kiss a girl, sex will likely be on the table. And instead of you thinking you have to raise through the ranks in a linear fashion over time (holding hands, a date, kiss, making out, intimate physical contact, sex), sex is in fact immediately on the table. All you have to do is lead the situation there. She isn’t going to do it for you.

You’ll kiss a girl and have sex before 25, you just need to prevent anxiety stemming about it. But this is something you’ll have to really experience and probably fuck up once or twice before you really understand what that means.

If she’s attracted to you and wants to bang and you can see that, it’s your job to keep the anxiety at bay. Once you become anxious, you change from the person she was attracted to, and she might bail. You stay you and calmly and confidently lead her while still being you, and she’ll be up for it. Again, you have to decide it’s something you want and go for it and she can go along with it or not.

[–]giantillusion4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's easy to say "it gets better". They told me the same about depression. Still it's not that helpful.

I repeat the question, why did you kiss at least 15 different girls but never had sex with any of them? Also, how old are you?

[–]abolish_the_divine-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i know i'm an outlier, my experiences are different to most people i meet. i'm just asking for your subjective opinion on why those instances didn't develop further. personal curiosity.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No worries. I’ve written some other comments in this thread that will answer thoroughly if you are interested.

[–]abolish_the_divine-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, sounds like you struggle with anxiety issues more than anything.

[–]flumul0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You made out with 15 girls and still virgin ? You must really suck at it bro

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Made out is not kissed. Moron

[–]flumul0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Terrible kisser then? 15 times and no 2nd base is a failure. Were those 15 women asleep or something ?

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You don’t seem to have much real life experience if you think 15 kisses will lead to 15 2nd bases and more. A few have had the potential for more but things get in the way. Logistics, mood changes, attraction fuck ups. 800 other things. Get a grip pal.

[–]flumul0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well you are the 30 yo virgin aren't you ?

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great argument. Guess I’m not as good looking as you.

[–]flumul0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But if you are that ugly how did you bring 15 different women to kiss you ? Did you pay them ?

[–]incelicious16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a proven fact that women lie and lie big when it comes to their sexual histories. A good estimate is to take whatever she tells you and double it. Triple it to be safe.

[–]Stannis_B2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lies are to a not so much meant to deter incurring circumstantial danger, but a fundamental alteration to her internalised reality. Both the fabricated and factual reality coeexisting brings about a state of cognitive dissonance.

Hence why'd she'd also do something superficially absurd as lie during an anonymous survey; this is about supplanting the ugly unforgiving truth within that would unmask her as a base slut lacking any capacity for morality by extraprojecting acceptable confabulations on the matter of her notch count in any scenario that would require them. The actual truth never quite goes away though, always looms over her lies and machinations like a righteous spectre, which is what produces the aforementioned cognitive dissonance. Trying to surpress the truth and both internalise and propagate the lie is a very stressful position with no consistent longterm viability, which is why, commonly, a woman will react with unhinged aggression and instantaneously go on the offense when confronted with any discrepancies in her suspiciously tame numbers.

Point is, a lie to a woman isn't deliberately obfuscating the truth in a specific moment as much as it is alternating their perception of a past event. They can't grasp truth as an abstract, unalienable virtue divorced from individual or collective opinion and instinctively tie it to social dynamics, to which it is subservient and thus malleable if given the opportunity to ameliorate aforementioned social dynamics.

The fact that they downplay their number rather than give an outright implausible if theoretically preferable lie like 'I'm a virgin' is because that generate the most extreme cognitive dissonance; the closer the lie is to the truth the less of a stressor it will be and easier to maintain it both internally and externally. They will lie constantly, in all variations and for every reason imaginable; to stave off conflict, to preserve her social position, to safeguard resources, for personal attention, just to stir up drama because she's bored, to spare herself an awkward moment, to avoid minimal effort ... Lying comes more naturally than breathing to women, even if it's not a long-term tenable position.

[–]incelicious3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

High IQ

[–]L_darkside6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Per year?

[–]MieSelph6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only on bad years.

[–]Whiteberry[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"She will also have...lived with one ex-partner and had four one night stands."
"The biggest difference between men and women lies in the number of sexual partners - with men having ten in their lifetime, compared to an average of seven for women."

[–]abolish_the_divine10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol, women will definitely lie about the number of sexual partners they've had. i guess men too, but for different reasons, mostly to seem more manly. but the stereotype of "oh that didn't count because i didn't like him" is true. my female friend said she had 15 partners but she qualified that with "of the times i enjoyed myself". when i asked her, what about overall? she said "probably in the high 30s". she's 30 yrs old.

[–]Whiteberry[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

wow this is even more disheartening

[–]_worst_friend_ever4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The One" is her betabux.

[–]MieSelph3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Kissed." Yeah, mm-hmm, sure darling. ;)

On their COCKS! XD

[–]SinglehoodVeteran7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Damn, that's a lot of guys...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men reported 6 to womens 4 one night stand, on average that impossible. But the scenario that a few women sleeps with a lot of men, bringing mens average up and keeping womens median low.

[–]SinglehoodVeteran0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

True, it's one of the ways the math works out. Like how I've only been with one guy so far, but my 4 female coworkers have said they've been with 5-8 guys and we're all in our 30s.

I don't know if any of those guys were ONS, but it would make our combined average (1+5+5+6+8)/5 = 5, and our median would also be 5. So because of my low number, the reported values of the two highest women get somewhat "cancelled out" which is likely what is happening in a lot of these reports.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can't find the study right now, but the same recent survey data that showed that millienials had less sex also showed that if i remember correctly that the "stereotype millienial women" that sleeps around a lot exist in 10%, and 40% of women are virgins until 23 or something, and that the rest had 1-2 sexual partners. Honestly it seems to check out in my experience, i live in Stockholm, those who sleep around does it a lot and those who don't basically stay celibate.

[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey, that's my experience too. I'm 33 now and would be classified as an older millennial, and I was a virgin until 23 and that was with my long-term FWB. My friends are guys but they're all 10-15 years older (my FWB is 48 and is the oldest of the entire group). I don't know all of their numbers, but of the ones who have shared that info it's in the 4-12 range... probably because A. There wasn't this rampant SJW stuff going on back then and B. Despite the fact that we're all nerds some of them are very charismatic and extroverted. I don't talk to their wives and girlfriends much since they don't game with us, but I'd be willing to guess their numbers are probably in the 4-8 range.

It's so weird how much the times have changed. While in college I actually lied about my number since I was still a virgin, and other student women and a few men would mock me for being a "prude" or "letting the patriarchy control me". It was a highly liberal area in the northeastern US, and promiscuity was touted as normal... definitely appealed to those 10% you mentioned. Makes you wonder how many other young men and women lied about their sexual histories just to fit in. Is that similar to your own experiences? I wonder if it is at all different due to culture?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The culture have changed a whole lot, i love in Stockholm and I'm 23. Growing up being a virgin embarrassing, i lost mine at 16 but it was out of country and guess how well that is to convince others your just not making shit up. Guys would constantly make up shit of how many and what they done. Now since I've worked within youth groups etc and gaming in general at a highschool level it have come up, and the kids at 17 doesn't seem embarrassed at all that they haven't got laid yet.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Self reported, I'm guessing?

[–]sparkyyy13370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls will kiss many times more men than they will be willing to have sex with.

So a girl who has fucked 15 dudes has probably kissed 50.

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