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I will preface this by saying that the following altercation is a result of my wavering frame in the last few months. I have a lot of balls in the air currently and my stress level has been through the roof. So rake me over the coals if need be but read my following Field report.

So as I have said I have been under a lot of stress recently with work, school and large financial and life plan decisions and as such have been admittedly a pretty shitty captain. Bring work stress home and other beta level shit.

Obviously this has had an effect on my wife who is getting all sort of anxiety and who takes on all of her pent up hamster but me, so vicious karma cycle of my creation and well-deserved. While I self-reflect after the arguments and realize my fuck-ups lately I have been just waltzing into her frame eagerly and just taking out my aggression in the form of screaming my point like that dude from West Coast Choppers.

So fast forward to today. I am in a ton of pain due to tearing a ligament in my knee so I am half in the bag and in a generally shit mood. I look up and see my wife is watching some murder/kidnapped show on Netflix. As one of the women was graphically describing her rape scene when she was 12 and the rapist's 40 year old dick. I say, "What the fuck are you watching?!?"

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!

After the fight which basically covers every fucking grievance I have ever made against her and some regrettable puking from me. She gives me this little gem.

"I trust you with everything. I love you with my heart and soul. I am sorry I think emotionally. I can't help it. You know that when you decide something that is what we are going to do, We do what you want because I know you are looking out for me and it is what is best for us. But I still want to have my say. So if I want something and you say no or when I come up with plans and you say no. I know it is because you want what is best for us but I can't help it that I get upset and then shut down for the rest of the night but usually the next day I am fine.

In conclusion while I did regrettably lose frame and intentionally walked right into that shitstorm of an almost 2 hour flight. I ultimately came away with a new sense and perspective of why my wife shit-tests.

In conclusion, while I would never advocate losing frame, If you are already in the middle of a fight if you poke the right nerves and are viewed favorable as her Capt. She may just actually give you valuable information that you may have never even considered.


[–]Cloudy_PirateDREAD Pirate Roberts24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You didn't pass.

When she switches over from covert to overt communication, she is basically saying "you are such a dumbass, you are never going to understand unless I completely spell it out for you."

You would know this if you were reading the sidebar.

From The Rational Male (year 1): "Lastly, I should add that women are not above using overt communication when it serves their purposes. When a woman comes out and says something in such a fashion so as to leave no margin for misinterpretation, you can bet she’s been pushed to that point out of either fear or sheer exasperation when her covert methods wont work."

https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

The good news is that you know that she loves you and she really wants this to work out.

The bad news is that she has lost a ton of respect for you and you have many, many, many more shit tests coming. Time to man up. Start reading.

[–]redwall920 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is how I read the situation. Overt comms is possible a death knell; the loss of respect may be permanent. But in the end ... doesn't matter for the man's plan moving forward.

[–]Cloudy_PirateDREAD Pirate Roberts-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the loss of respect may be permanent

Yeah. I may have been too optimistic when I said "she loves you and she really wants this to work out." Actions, not words. She's a woman.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP APPROVED19 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like she was looking for comfort at the end. Sometimes shit tests can turn into comfort tests like that. But, as you alluded, it’s not necessary to have a big fight to get there. General rule, don’t DEER or argue with a woman. It puts you in her frame because you are playing in her field (emotions). Don’t be surprised if this generates even more shit tests.

[–]CptButtertits 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

Definitely agree. Looking back on it I think I wanted to get in a fight. I think this was just a culmination of all the little shit tests and frame testing she did earlier in the week.

I am sure that had I not gone in ready for a long drawn out fight in the mud trying to nail down exactly what was wrong and keeping her argument focused on one or two major points. It would have probably not ended with such a favorable outcome. It shouldn't have even got to that point but in war sometimes you just have to engage the enemy head-on in the trenches in order to advance.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This is a fucking weird-ass post.

It's like you're dungeon mastering your marriage's game of dungeons and dragons.

Are you mormon?

What do you care what your wife's watching on TV? This isn't fucking north korea.

  • Stop yelling at your wife about netflix.

  • Stop taking out all your pent-up grievances on your wife.

  • Stop puking to your wife.

  • Stop saying "let's get ready to rumble" before yelling at your wife.

  • Stop using your dumbass knee as a dumbass excuse for your dumbass argument and your dumbass victim puke.

Since your wife likes netflix, tell her to watch The Staircase. That dude's almost as weird as you.

Does your wife really talk like a character in a Margaret Atwood novel or is that just your imagination?

p.s. Don't parse you wife-arguing skills with BobbyPeru - he's a good dude.


History glimpse update: Huh? Your wife's Brazilian? For fuck sake dude I've never heard a Brazilian woman talk like that. Something's fishy. Did you knock on her door in Sao Paolo while doing your missionary work?

... Is she a mail order bride?

Damn, that would perfectly explain what is so odd and creepy about your post.

[–]Red-Nerd13-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wtf does Mormon have anything to do with this... Or dungeons & dragons? There are plenty of us on here.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Banned for being a nerd.

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A decidedly un-red nerd.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wtf does Mormon have anything to do with this... Or dungeons & dragons?

I don't know. Ask Joseph Smith doesn't he have all the answers?

There are plenty of us on here.

I don't give a fuck. I'm not interested in your group think, fitting, in, or you for that matter, pussy.

I'm focused on me.

... and on a few of the other less sanctimonious though grinding dudes who are putting in the work, trying hard, and whining less.

Go back to your game faggot. Maybe you and OP can hang out, play D&D, and blow each other while your wives watch Making a Murderer.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait....

Did someone say Mormon?

[–]CptButtertits 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

What a weird fucking dude you are. Run along those crayons aren't going to eat themselves!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was an awful comeback. The response to your post was dead on and you just get butthurt and respond like a child. It’s not even a clever or funny response. Eating crayons? I’m new here and I can see that. You didn’t pass your “shit test” your started a fight with your wife period.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well. I figured you were a fucking retard from this craptacular FR.

Thanks for confirming. Bye.

edit: 2+ years old of MRP and this is the best you can do... shame.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

2 hour fight. I bet you average 4 of those a month.

Add in 3-5 30 minute fights per month.

Add in 8 hours lost post fight to recover and reboot.

That is 9 fights a month for an average of 10-12 hours plus an additional 56 hours a month of recovery time.

So figure 70 hours a month in bullshit fights and wife drama.

Out of approx 720 hours a month you are spending at least 10% of your time fighting.

Do you want me to continue to do math?

Or do you get the fucking point?

[–]SKRedPill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most couples I know in my life, including my mum and dad (especially them), probably spend a lot more than 10% fighting - it gets worse around 55 if you haven't done the work. Seriously. MRP is badly needed in this world.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two things cemented my decision to divorce.

My cost per fuck.

My cost per argument.

I have wrote about one, but not the other.

Maybe I should.

[–]SKRedPill3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Careful about the pain field that exists in the air at these times. I've seen this phenomenon happen too many times and have lost my frame and gotten sucked into it on many an occasion. IMHO no one ever described it better than Eckhart Tolle. It's a real thing, it happened today with my folks at lunch (since taking TRP I've had to accept that my dad's failings because in him I see a lot beta qualities). The thing is that women are sometimes aware of what's going on, but they can't control themselves rationally at that moment. It's literally a mind puke / victim puke at that moment.

Those are moments where it's very easy to lose frame and your own energy and get sucked into a vortex of negativity, reactivity and neediness. I just use these words because it is that bad.

It takes a lot of awareness to stay stoic and present in tough times, but again and again you realize that's exactly where you need to be at your strongest.

Life tests you hard where it needs you to be most aware.

Stress happens when you really want to be in a better place, while you're really in a shitty one - a lot of past baggage and future worries about the what ifs that you can't control anyway. A lot of it goes away if you accept that the only way out is through, put some distance between you and the past and stop trying to control what you can't.

And that's where women shit test you to the max, they'll relive the entire past and all their fears of the future and test your frame to the hilt. That's not easy, but just tell yourself one sentence in the future "This is not me, it's the pain. I'm present and just the witness" and stay in that. This is the masculine mechanism to shrug off pain and negativity, the stuff that APA and the media (who just want men to lose it and start crying like women) will never tell ya about.

[–]centaursg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Spot on. When they are emotional they cant control themselves and tend to just mind puke on ya.they are usually fine the next day..by being in your frame and stoic, you lessen the pain you are in. But situations like these also gives you an understanding of the other person's thinking.. arguments are awful and you should never be the one starting them especially with a women but I more often than not, you get to see the real person during arguments.

[–]SKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually that is not the real person, but it's what happens when their accumulated mind stuff and neediness has reached critical mass - their whole vibe they emit changes into something toxic. I swear their whole bio-chemistry might be different in those moments.

It was revolutionary when I read about this - I have been observing this in me and others and I realize it's caused by too much accumulation of the past and future and often something painful in the present. This is why logical debate with women won't work at all in those moments (not that it does elsewhere either). You are talking to a pain body, and it wants to make stuff toxic.

This will give you a good read into the neediness hidden inside every person. However the very toxicity of it's expression will guarantee that those needs won't get fulfilled.

In general, women being emotional have a lot more baggage and their pain body is much closer to the surface. Nice Guys have a particularly nasty case of this for men, partially because of a lifetime of imbibing feminine paradigms that guarantee to sabotage them from getting what they need. My dad often just suddenly turns needy and does a victim puke often, like he did this afternoon - I know he lost his job a while back due to recession in this country, but still, putting up with lots of beta behaviours is challenging enough for a son, so imagine how your wife must be feeling about your beta traits.

Stoicism does help for men, but the best form of stoicism is awareness of the moment and dis-identification with the tricks of the mind. It's only then you really start acting like a man for once.

[–]redpillcad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Passing Shit tests should be fun. Whether you deflect, crush, sidestep or flip.

Think of it this way. Woman dont even know they are doing this. Its instinctive because they dont want weak ass beta sperm in their womb and they enjoy watching a dominant man in action

When a man sees a milf in tight Jean's bend over and whale tail, he likes it. He stares.

Same thing when women shit test, and get a playful ZFG response from a dude who knows women well and had seen it all before.

A womans insult or challenge should roll off your back smoooooooooth

[–]ChokingDownRPMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you talked to much during the argument. I'd wager most anything that her words were just her regurgitating things you said to her in an effort to appease you. Her words say that she trusts you and recognizes you as captain. Her words, her words, her words.... You know what a woman's words are worth around here, right? She was just echoing the fight club talk you shared with her. Also, it's telling that OP considers this exchange a win for him... Since she provided some word validation.

[–]SrsWHATISWRONGWITHU0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I ultimately came away with a new sense and perspective of why my wife shit-tests.

She may just actually give you valuable information that you may have never even considered.

I can't believe no one here has pointed this out yet so.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THIS? "NEW INFORMATION" JFC

Spend TWO FUCKING HOURS reading mrp or the gd sidebar instead of TWO FUCKING HOURS (proudly!!!) arguing with your wife and you would have already KNOWN THAT "gold nugget of info that you never even considered" that she spelled out for you out of pity you gd idiot got damn.

[–]markpf730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So your wife was watching a graphic story about rape? Maybe that’s her fetish? Or maybe it’s her warmup porn to get herself warmed up to fuck her fatty...never forget how bad you suck right now.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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