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I spent most of my work life driving process improvement in various organizations. For the past 30 years, that has centered around continuous improvement using lean tools and concepts. The idea of continuous improvement is ingrained in my business life and personal life. The journey may or may not get easier……but only you decide when it ends.

Lifting heavy is a foundational principal to Married Red Pill and is part of the beginning trinity of lift, STFU and read/implement. It can be the easiest, because it is all you and your discipline to the process. And let’s face it, lifting heavy weights, making process, seeing the progress and feeling better each month can be a great motivator.

I am not going to talk about heavy lifting in general. That has been covered here often and well. Here is a good overview of lifting programs by /u/bogeyd6.

What happens when injury, disease, pain, body condition and/or your doctor tells you no more heavy lifting…maybe temporary…maybe permanent.

January 2019, I found I have an ascending aortic aneurysm. The artery coming out of my heart was more than twice as large as it should be, like a balloon that could burst. No more heavy lifting until my operation in June. After that I will not be able to lift heavy for my recovery period….maybe never.

Ascending aortic aneurysm. The words from my doctor hit me like an anvil hitting the Coyote in the Warner Brothers cartoons. As I searched for lifting alternatives, I found research showing that one could get most of the benefits of a heavy weights, low reps program with lighter weights and higher reps. I could use lower weights at 15, 20, even 25 reps and still produce good gains. Not the same as lifting heavy...but gains with a program that fits my circumstances.

This is one of best articles I found on the subject as it covers a number research tests on this subject comparing low reps, heavy weight vs. high reps, lighter weights. Here is part of the conclusion:

The fact that it’s possible to gain with higher reps and lighter weights doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a good idea to do so.

Remember, in terms of muscle growth at least, there were no discernible advantages to the light weight high rep protocols. They didn’t lead to superior gains in size or strength. But each set took twice as long to complete.

Plus, lower reps and heavier weights still win the day as far as gains in strength are concerned.

What it does mean is that the range of repetitions you can use to build muscle is a lot wider than previously thought.

Most studies out there show very similar gains in muscle size across a variety of rep ranges.

That gives you a lot more choice about the type of training you do.

We aren’t alone in being forced to change our workouts. Forget the 710-lb. deadlifts and 470-lb. back squats — workouts look a little different for Arnold Schwarzenegger these days.

Squatting and all those kind of like heavy leg exercises, I can’t do anymore. My knees are shot. I have to protect my knees because I want to go skiing.

The machines that you have today, I wish that I could have used them in addition to what I did, because they’re really amazing. A guy like myself who had shoulder surgery, hip surgery, knee surgery — they can always find an exercise around the injury that I could do.

So I cannot do dumbbell lateral raises anymore, but I can go and find the machine that does exactly the same thing and I have no pain.”

Arnold’s version of continuous improvement.

I am currently working the SL5x5 plan, but doing 5 sets of 15-20 reps. Basically, I am changing 5x5 to 5x20. I may not be setting 1 rep max personal records, but with the circumstances I have today, I am getting stronger, looking better, feeling better. My plan has changed. I am not going to get that 5x5 225 pound bench press before June. Some of my goals are revised, but still a plan I am working on.

I am not a doctor, not an expert, not a fitness guru. Just lessons learned from 40+ years of running, lifting heavy, bodyweight fitness, HIIT routines…and now lifting lighter weight, higher reps. But you do you…follow your plan…build your life. And always check with your doctor before taking off on any new program if you have health issues.

Some of you may be thinking, hey noaarpforme, you are 62 years old, does lifting really have a benefit at that point? And if it does, will anyone notice? Does SMV apply at 60+?

Everything you read from the sidebar and Married Red Pill, Rian’s daily email, etc…it all applies at 60+. My body has changed, I like to think I am wiser, kids are grown and out of the house.

I still love sweating through a good workout, hanging out with friends, a night out on the town, passionate sex multiple times per week, a tasty keto meal, a little too much rum, rock n’ roll cranked up to 11 and the latest Avengers movie.

And yes, women still check out an average dude who is lifting, well dressed, confident and has a bit of game.

OK, the iron is calling and those weights won’t lift themselves.……

PS. Deep appreciation to all the regular contributors on Married Red Pill and AskMRP. I learn from you guys every week. Continuous improvement; the journey never ends. Rock On!


[–]resolutions316!!CAUTION!! Runaway bus potentially ahead14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great post.

Decline is inevitable. Time is a bitch.

But you can always get better.

My friend often says: “the ‘be good’ mindset always loses out to the ‘get better’ mindset.”

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the end, all that matters is there is a process in place.

[–]rocknrollchuckMRP APPROVED8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll be 50 later this year. I started lifting about 2-1/2 years ago, having never lifted in my life. I love it, and got my lifts up pretty high and have respectable 1RM's.

I see many guys on here talking about continuously increasing the weight, into the 300-500 lb range for most of the main lifts. And then I see comments in OYS or other posts about tearing rotator cuffs, torn pecs, messed up backs. To me it just doesn't make sense to head down this road. I'm not getting any younger, and a blown disc in my back or ripping my tricep clean off the bone (which a guy at my gym did just last fall) isn't really how I want to end up.

Quality of life becomes trickier to achieve and maintain the older you get. I'm going for longevity as well, and while I lift heavier than most of the guys at my gym, I'm not trying to set records. My body will be thanking me in the years to come.

Great post!

[–]An_Actual_Politician4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mid 40s here and I couldn't agree more. I absolutely love lifting. The thought of going on the shelf because of some avoidable injury - no thanks.

I'm here for a long time, not a good time.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Approaching 50 I have to be smarter and smarter.

Going to see a knee specialist next week, know I also need and mri on my ankle to see what that dick who did a flying scissors on me at the dojo did back in 2015 that has never healed right. And 2 wonky rotator cuffs from being a hard head and not tapping earlier a few times in BJJ.

The days of stacking plates and getting that good strain are giving way to lighter weight higher rep. Just have to put in more time.

Nothing will kill your gains (and her libido) as quick as you being injured. And the older you are the slower your heal.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While it might not be lifting related, from a health standpoint I have a recent story. Both my in-laws went and got a coronary calcium scan done recently. It was around $75 or so, and it checks to see how much plaque has gunked up your arteries. My mother in law's score was "perfectly fine", however my father in law's score was "will have a heart attack tomorrow". My father in law is very healthy in general, he lifts (he's over 70, btw), bikes, golfs, and has run marathons (plural) in every continent. Dude is outwardly healthy as all get out, eats right, alpha as fuck, and for him to get that info, well, that came out of the blue. We're still waiting on the cardiologist on next steps if he needs a stint or what.

But yeah, moral of the story is take care of your health and your heart. And spend the $75 to see how you're doing from a heart perspective.

[–]Scorpio8006 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just paid $99, now I’m pissed😡

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice post. Great timing.

I'm checking out the link you mentioned.

Regarding this:

Remember, in terms of muscle growth at least, there were no discernible advantages to the light weight high rep protocols.

I would say the one discernible advantage is a lower risk of injury, the entire point of your post.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusMRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I loved your post. Every session, and every lift at the gym, I go into it with my training longevity in mind.

The weight you lift is a single variable you can manipulate. The real number that has value is the time under tension and how well you can contract the muscle.

What you do in the gym is stimulus, nothing more. Its stimulus to set the stage for growth, the rest of the stage needs to be in place for growth to even happen. That's where rest, diet, and drugs come in. The stimulus can also be used to retain muscle while on a caloric deficit.

I love seeing men your age in the gym in condition. It makes me feel good. They showed me how amazing the Smith machine is.

[–]PurpleVeteranMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An older friend went in for knee surgery last fall. He did great, jumped hard into PT, and was really making good progress. Then he slipped and fell badly on the ice. Tore up tendons and ligaments, and got a serious infection on top of that. Four months later, he’s still stuck inside and can barely get around. Not sure if he’ll ever fully recover.

Take nothing for granted about your health. Do the hard work, respect your limits, and expect the unexpected.

Nice post OP.

[–]miserablesisyphus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I watched a Joe Rogan episode where a guy who trains mma fighters talks about not lifting/exercising at 100% all the time, instead go about 70%. For example, if your max pullups were 10 reps, do however many are easy - eg 5 pullups. slowly move to 6 pullups when that's easy, 7 when that's easy, etc... The logic behind this was that you can do more reps in the same amount of time as the person who is maxing out. E.g. You could do 5 reps every day of the week and do 35 reps or do 10 rep Max and not be able to do that same amount the next day, etc. and only get 30 reps that week... It's an interesting theory, not sure how it's holds up. This guy does train some of the best fighters in the world though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like Pavel Tsatsoulin’s « Greasing the Groove » technique.

www.artofmanliness.com/articles/get-stronger-by-greasing-the-groove/

[–]SorcererKingMRP SAGE - MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spent most of my work life driving process improvement in various organizations.

You're a natural for 60 DoD then, as this is the whole point. Not just a short-term goal of gainz, but a long-term system for continuous improvement.

[–]Westernhagen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ascending aortic aneurysm -- what caused the doc to look for this? Were you experiencing chest pain, shortness of breath, something like that?

[–]NoAARPforMe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a slight heart murmur my entire life. Never bothered me or kept me from sports/working out. At my annual physical, my doctor suggested doing an ultrasound to baseline my heart murmur. That ultrasound is what found the aneurysm. There were no symptoms. Pure luck I found I have this condition.

If not repaired, the aorta can burst, often due to strain. Think of going for a record deadlift or pushing a car struck in the snow. It is that spike in blood pressure that can cause it to rupture. The chances of death are very high if it does burst because you bleed to death almost instantly.

[–]RP_PO1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s important to push your limits. It’s also important to gain the wisdom to know you will get better/stronger faster and have better injury defense if you take off ADEQUATE days from the gym with active recovery. Micro-tears are a bitch if you keep adding them on with unnecessary and counter-productive stints of 100% effort for days on end in a short term intensity schedule in a misguided attempt to undo years of eating your way into Jabba’s palace.

Mediocrity is for the weak, and anything worth doing is worth over-doing. BUT, worth over-doing smartly and safely. Get under the bar and get after it, gents.

[–]ghek110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read up on Dan John forums and look at his easier-strength program especially if you enjoy barbell work more than machines

[–]EveryGodDamnDayGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

high reps, lower weights

This could be the key to beating my tendonitis and getting my arm workouts back in gear. Thanks for the link.

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

About two years ago I switched to a modified version of SL 5x5 similar to what you talk about here. I called it SL hypertrophy. If nothing else, it will help you break out of plateaus and subject your muscles to different stimulation which is good however you cut it.

[–]NoAARPforMe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was looking for a the name for this program. I am now officially doing SL Hypertrophy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a link to this program? Or is it a program you made for yourself?

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just altered SL 5x5 into SL 4x10. You could even do 3x10 if 4 sets is too much volume

[–]NoAARPforMe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm doing the same 5x5 program, but going 5 sets x 15 reps for each exercise. Weights are about 50% of what I was doing with 5x5.

[–]FinancialLeopard50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno if it's fine, but I'm doing 3x15. Feels ok.

[–]Bobsfreestuff-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everytime there is a lifting thread, you bunch of faggots discuss the terror that fills your faggot minds at the thought of a heavy deadlift.

No wonder your wife will not fuck you, if you are afraid to deadlift, I can only imagine how afraid of her pussy you are.

Give me deadlifts and fucking or give me death.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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