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An Interesting Elaboration on Aging - Male Peak 26-36 vs Female Peak 18-24 (self.BlackPillScience)

submitted by M_C_B

I was browsing around Braincels and I thought this belonged here as it's both backed by peer-reviewed research, and well thought out and contrary to the common view even on here that male youth is desired.

Original Comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/946cuu/life_fuel/e3iuvgi/?context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/92tavy/at_what_age_do_men_peak_in_attractiveness_one/e3u3xme/?context=3

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Male peak-26-36

Female peak- 18-24

tl;dr:

https://iconicmen.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/smv-is-it-real/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_dElaRt5w

https://whoism3.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/age-and-power.jpg?w=627

Massive OkCupid study done on Age and SMV decline and peak on Men and Women based on overall desirability. Done in 2015 with both young and older people. Millions of people.

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*q95i3Ma24k-hxBtK.png

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/02/8.png

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-desirability-and-age/

Aging and desirability of both men and women is something this community gets wrong most of the time. While "the wall" is hyperbole female desirability drops very far very fast after 23-24 and male desirability shoots up rapidly up to about 26-27 where it peaks for a good 10 years then declines.

AGE BLACKPILL-

Male Prime=26-36

Female Prime=18-24

Go lookup "hot men" on google, nearly 75% of results are of men aged in that bracket above. Chads become higher tier chads in their early-mid 30s before declining.

Understand that things other than looks change what a girl thinks of you and having a dominate personality is one of them. Although looks are 60% of the battle. Social proof(signals of high status, easy to fake), money(bitches orgasm more with rich guys, google it), or generally any display of sexual dimorphic power. Basically femoids get off on sex more when they're getting plowed by a man they perceive as powerful.

This is why SOME older guys have higher SMV with age(Chads and Chadlites). Age isn't the crippling factor you guys make it out to be. Go look up "Top 100 sexiest men" or "/r/ladyboners" or just google "Hot guys" and the MAJORITY of those guys are in their late twenties to mid thirties. This is because testosterone causes masculinization of the face and voice over your entire lifetime. Meaning your voice and face and still changing(albeit much slower) even in your 20's and 30's. See here and this comment on this reddit post here.

Age doesn't make much of a difference to women as long as you're actually attractive.

For example:

See Here - He's in his Thirties.

Perhaps even better this tinder experiment article down below concerning younger vs older attractive men on tinder. Make sure you read and understand the entire article, but in summary a 26 year old attractive guy on tinder pulled tons of foids. A 34 year old attractive guy pulled even more(age ranges, older women have less options) and when factoring for age and setting the 34 year old man to an age range only allowing matches between 18-26 he pulled 3% less of this age range than the 26 year old. See this picture here.

Tinder Experiments

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

In summary JFL if you aren't attractive, age doesn't matter much only your face.

Look at the way roasties talk about guys like Jared Leto, they would gladly line themselves up, strip down, and allow him to plow them all one by one without a care in the world about his age. The dude is just attractive looking.

Think about how creepy it would be perceived if a 35 year old man were to be flirting with a 19 year old foid in the club. Now picture this 35 year old men flirting with her. Suddenly it went from creepy to A-okay with her, her friends, and everyone else(except bitter old roasties). Hell I bet if you're a loaded 35 year old and look like this you could pull her and her friends. Tell them there'a an after party with booze, movies, a huge TV, a Jacuzzi/Hot-tub, and a pool at your mansion. You get her and her friends and they would prefer you over a guy her own age of equal attractive with less flashy shit. That's a fact. Once guys are of equal attractiveness it comes down to personality(read badboy traits), status(or the perception there of), and money. You get the picture.

I understand I'm using Actors to prove my point and they're famous but it isn't the fame. It's what they look like. If it was the fame then ALL famous actors and comedians, social media moguls, etc would be pulling young puss.

But are they? Hell no. Because they aren't all attractive. Notice how for the most part it's only the attractive famous guys fucking a huge variety of 18-25 year old models and switching them out all the time(looking at you Leonardo DiCaprio). It's because they're still PSLI 7-10 they can fuck whoever the hell they want. Add their attractiveness in with their money and status and they're outright slayers. I know this mentality is bashed to shit here but it's true. Men who are fairly attractive in their 30's with good money and proper social skills can pull alot of women. If those men are "hot" PSLI(7-10 Chadlite to Chad) they can pull any women they want at any age. Nick Bateman right now at 31 and Jeremy Meeks right now at 33 could both double team any college slut in the country with ease. You guys bash "older" dudes but don't realize most of the men you prop up as chads are usually in their early to mid thirties.

I know I'm only talking about actors and models. But the same can be said of any rich attractive man in his 30's even late 30's. Can still pull young 18-25 women with ease if they look like these men I listed out(PSLI 7-10). If not then oh well they can always fuck post wall 25-35 year old women that are still hot(they exist). They all would gladly hand their pussy over for a chance to marry(lmfao not even once) a guy with a PSLI 5-6.5 Face and decent body with money. If you are over 6.5 PSLI don't bother with them and just date 18-25 and have fun it's easier and better for you in the end. Physically and mentally.

Anyway if you don't know this, or believe this you're coping about age for some reason. Maybe it makes you angry that Chads and Chadlites are fucking prime women for 20 years? Idk but either way it is what it is, can't argue with data and statistics.

Watch what they do. Not what they say.

Edit: Moved my comment from another thread here.

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As well as these brilliant responses here:

Lol. So men in the top 10% to 5% peak in their early 30's cus women are looking for betabuxx. Keep coping

Lol denying evidence on hundreds of millions of people and claiming 20 year old women are looking beta bux in tinder experiments when half the messages revolve around "come an fuck me now" or "let me come over and let's fuck" sent to 34 year old attractive men, 3% less often then the 26 year old.

You deny hundreds of studies and experiments on millions of people with your own anecdotal evidence. Then claim I'm the one who's coping.

Learn to read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/946cuu/life_fuel/e3iuvgi/?context=3

I know you won't though. You're to retarded to understand view points that differ from your own. Even if there's mounds of data and evidence to back me up. I'm sure you will dismiss the attractive 34 year old getting twice the matches as the attractive 26 year old as "betabux" despite the fact that he matched with only 3% less women under the age of 25.

Because women aged 18-22 are really looking to settle down and find a betabux. JFL are your supreme level of cope.

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They don't wantbto settle down. They want expebsive dinners, rides in nice cars ans expensive vacations.

They want to fuck Chad who can be up to about 36 years old, sometimes older in special cases. As for the expensive shit that doesn't explain why the unattractive 34 year old man barely received any matches at all. The unattractive guy would have matched with the younger than 25 year old girls just as well if this was the case. Lol you aren't looking at the data man. Explain that. Explain why the unattractive 34 year old man barely had any matches at all but the 34 year old attractive man received twice the matches the 26 year old did and the same number of matches as the 26 year old with women in the 18-24 year old range. It's because Chad is Chad at 26 or 34, and they wanted some Chad cock.

If rich men or men who fraud wealth take advantage of that and fuck women who think they can fuck their way into a relationship, good for them

Yes betabux dudes who take advantage for sure good for them. Rich guys can pull no problem as well but that isn't what I was talking about here.

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Credit goes to:

/u/iamgoingtoascend


[–]masszealots12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

this is something /r/theredpill gets right and /r/braincels doesnt listen

[–]M_C_B[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, it seems The Red Pill is right about half the time, and the other half of the time The Black Pill is correct.

On one end they all believe that all you need is frame, which is partially true as "implied status" or "game" is one of the most important attributes a man can have to pick up women, however it's just a portion of that mans overall LMS which is more important in most instances.

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You can pick up women using only game for the most part(see RSD) what they don't tell you though is that if you're not a natural you can't just magically learn how to be. The vast majority of men have terrible game and no amount of encouragement, TRP posts, RSD videos, etc will ever change that. Neither will paying them to go to their transformation camps, not that I've ever been I just believe it's much more difficult for someone to change their social skills than these "PUA teachers" make it out to be. Not that what they do doesn't work, it's just that the guys they're teaching won't actually be able to do the material or it will take them many years after being in isolation for so long.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anecdotally, my own father looked like a total dork high school age/early 20s, and looked amazing in his early 30s. I've got no reason to make this up, but he was legit amazing looking in his early 30s, it really looked like he finally grew up. My mother in the pictures next to him looked horrible already and she was probably late 20s, granted she did have a few kids by that time.

It should be said though that he had a thick, full head of hair (something I don't even have), he didn't drink alcohol, and he worked out 5 days a week. He never ate super healthy though, just a typical American diet as far as I know.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Megacope. 31 year old women get more cock and relationship offers thrown at them daily than a 31 year old man gets in a year.

[–]DaNatural_110 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While your fight about that statement, I don't think this is a cope. Ive actually been experiencing this now for a few years. From 25 till now(32), I really have been getting more attractive. Ive had strippers, 17/18 Yr olds, taken women and old women all hit on me the last couple years.

When i was 18-21 I could barely even get girls my age.

[–]M_C_B[S] 25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most of the time yes, but that is to be expected and was never implied by this data. All this shows is that these are the ages where each gender performs their best on the sexual marketplace. The average man as a whole will always perform worse in the sexual marketplace than even a less than average women as men want sex far more than women do.

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So basically just because men perform best between 26-36(or so) doesn't mean that they will get more relationship offers than the average women of that age.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This response has nothing to do with the OP, does it? He's not saying there's some magic age where men will get more attention than women.

[–]rektumsempra0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hey come on man that's not true I'm sure 31 year old men can get just as many cock offers thrown at them a day

[–]BoskOfPortKar5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am 45 yo but still in good shape and muscular (that is "work") and all my hairs (only a dozen being grey and no recessing).

I could still slay like in my 20s.

Age does not count that much for men (wrinkles are a plus indeed) if you are still "attractive" (face+muscular) with money/status/confidence in a "local" environment.

Actually, I am better looking right now than in my 20s where I was a slayer.

Men in their 20s look like boys. Not men.

[–]Nigrum-Turcam10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Female peak is clearly lower than 18.

[–]Pidjesus10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

True, look at this : https://i.imgur.com/gUnQxzs.jpg

Almost every man from the ages of 20-50 found 20 year olds the most attractive. Now here's the interesting part, they lowest age they could choose was 20. I'm willing to think 16-18 is the optimal age for attractiveness if they were allowed to choose.

[–]Nigrum-Turcam2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're lying. It's lower than that.

[–]rektumsempra0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

anyone got a study or any kind of data for this?

[–]Suitofskin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that because you guys want a confused child to control, not an actual person.

[–]UltimateCurryCel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll be bald by the time I'm 26. I'm 24 and it's already fucking bad.

[–]eduardkoopman1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

OP.
What do you think about this article/data analyse. Which came to the conclusion men peak in desirabilty at around 50 on dating apps?
They measured desirability by a combination of: 1. Number of initial messages reacived, and 2. the "pagerank"(popularity) of the women doing the sending of the first message.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/4/8/eaap9815.full.pdf

https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/study-women-peak-at-18-on-dating-apps-men-peak-at-50

[–]M_C_B[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say that it's likely true, however doesn't quite apply exactly to what I was talking about above. Let me try and explain so that you understand my perspective.

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So it makes sense in that at age 50 men can possibly have an easier dating life as there's more women interested than at prior points of his life. Although what it fails to mention is that the majority of those women are older. I'm talking 35-55, which as a man is absolutely not the ideal age range for an attractive women, which is my opinion is 18-24 as referenced by the comment in the OP which I agree with.

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Now the reason I feel the actual male peak is 26-36 is simply due to the fact that it's the age where men will find it easiest to "pickup" women in the ideal age range. This is evidenced in those Tinder studies talked about in the OP where the attractive 34 year old man does just as well as the attractive 26 year old man with women under 26(ideal/prime age women). There was a 3% drop in matches from women under 26 overall when using a 34 year old attractive man vs a 26 year old attractive man, meaning next to no real significance at all.

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Women literally age faster when it comes to their skin, even though they eat better and have far superior skincare and use makeup and men by and large don't.

https://www.livescience.com/1054-woman-skin-ages-faster.html

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What you can take from this is men age far better than women, and there's far more men in their 30s-40s that look more or less like they're in their 20s then their are women who can say the same. Men have more time to build themselves up into something greater and work on their "game/implied status" or "personality" as well which can enable them to quite literally be able to pickup college aged women that they may not have been able to when they were younger.

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So I agree and disagree, the data isn't wrong it's just that men in their 50s aren't the ideal age to pickup prime women, men in their 30s are, and perhaps even 40s if they take great care of themselves. As a man you can always lie about stuff like that and have one night stands as well, it really doesn't matter. Men are judged less on their age and more on their character and achievements, which is why the old saying goes "never ask a women her age" and not a man. Simply because a mans age is generally irrelevant and he who says he can't and he who says he can, are both usually correct.

[–]eduardkoopman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, great reply.

the ideal age range for an attractive women, which is my opinion is 18-24

That's true, also older men find that most attractive usually (if they are honest about it).

[–]Suitofskin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad, really I’d love be judged on my character and achievements...

[–]Suitofskin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spent my ‘peak’ years as a woman, to depressed to leave my bed and living in filth. This is shit.

[–]M_C_B[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In conclusion I believe what can be taken from this data this user linked is that as an attractive male you can retain or build upon your own attractiveness overtime/with age. Perhaps using "game" (faking dark triad traits) for more "implied" status when interfacing with women. So while a women's attractiveness declines with age a man in contrast doesn't always "age like wine" per say, however they can become more attractive and/or retain the physical attractiveness they had into their late 30s/early 40s in ways women cannot broadly speaking.

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The wall is real for both men and women, however for men it seems to come much later in many instances. Attractive men can physically retain that attractiveness far longer than women can.

[–]its_over_boyos3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sorry bro, but speaking as a guy in his mid to late 30s this is Major Fucking COPE. Things were sort of like this before dating apps and social media, but they changed things forever. A woman's peak no longer declines due to age but is more impacted by her online visibility. Looking back even though I was incel for most of my 20s I could appreciate how much more fair dating was back then.

[–]bigbellywhale3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk when I was in my teens and most of my 20s i looked like a pretty boy type, now in my early 30s I look super masculine and I get more attention than I ever have in my life.

[–]utopista1140 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yep, we are fucked at 30, 40 or 50.

[–]M_C_B[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sorry bro, but speaking as a unattractive(or average) guy in his mid to late 30s this is Major Fucking COPE.

FTFY

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You're not the type of man this comment was alluding too, you're in your mid 30s posting on incel forums on Reddit. Rather this pretty much only works if you're already attractive, you just don't lose it as a man until you're in your 40's whereas women have a rapid decline in SMV when talking about 18-24 vs 25-36.

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Believe me I'm aware you don't magically become more attractive with age and that wasn't what this was meant to imply at all. Generally though attractive men peak at the age of 26-36 or so as data seems to indicate, even very recent data from online dating.

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See the unattractive 34 year old man vs the attractive 34 year old man via the tinder experiment, then see them both compared to their 26 year old counterpart. The attractive men matched the same across the board, even when the 34 year old went after women ONLY below age 26. See the picture for the results broken down by percentage.

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tl;dr

Attractive Men are attractive far longer than attractive women are in terms of peak SMV.

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https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*XxUnEGiFe82-r4FA.jpg

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For reference I'm in my 20s and attractive(7/10) and have nothing to gain from this other than knowledge.

[–]utopista1143 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When attractive means only the 20%, all this theory is worthless.

[–]its_over_boyos0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not the type of man this comment was alluding too, you're in your mid 30s posting on incel forums on Reddit.

For reference I'm in my 20s and attractive(7/10) and have nothing to gain from this other than knowledge.

https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0069/47/1516961621358.png

[–]M_C_B[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, although I believe men shouldn't have feelings. Nice cogent reply you really refuted me there. I can certainly see why you're in your mid to late 30s and likely spend quite a bit of time shit posting in communities like /r/braincels. It truly sounds about right, and oh the irony in the picture you've chosen to "mock" me with; it's very palpable.

[–]its_over_boyos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My bad, perhaps I should learn to be kinder to autistic "7/10" "attractive" non-incels who post here.

[–]bigbellywhale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weirdly my mother peaked in her 30s, she got so much attention growing up it was insane. All my friends would freak out over her. But it didn't happen until her 30s. I think she was definitely an outlier but it really confused me when I was around 28 I noticed tons of girls from high school started losing their looks.

[–]Suitofskin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t care some of ladies like being old and ugly, means we get ignored. I was always ugly, now I revel in it, I like younger men and women. But ya know I’ll just keep being happy.

[–]imathrowaway1994-5 points-4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Cope

Male look peak is also 18-24 because that’s when they have 1. Their hair 2. Metabolism 3. Youthful skin

Just lol by trp posters thinking men age like fine when they’re nw3 by 26

[–]platoonpluto14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

David Beckham now is infinitely superior to David Beckham at 18-24, same as Cristiano Ronaldo.

Men age like Gods, women age like cumdumpsters brehbreh.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine actually believing this

[–]platoonpluto4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But it’s true

[–]M_C_B[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you read this or just skim through it? I'm not an older TRP poster. I'm in my 20s and NW0. I like objective reasoning and comprehensive thought when it comes to my world view, perhaps you should read the entire post, or come up with a better critique using peer-reviewed data before you reply.

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I'm not even a "redpiller", or a "blackpiller." I'm a stoic pragmatist interested in the truth.

[–]TheDroogie0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also when they have no money, no idea of what they want to be or have the willpower to make it happen, no life experiences (and the. Fascinating stories that go with it), and no ability to make the women feel safe or that they have won a huge prize far better than their peers.

Sorry dude, life really peeks up for men post 35 if they haven’t given up on life.

[–]imathrowaway19940 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep

Wrinkled skin, nw3 and high cortisol from being a wagecuck is really the peak of male existence, not some chad in his fraternity party fucking 4 girls in a night

[–]TheDroogie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, like that really happens ... enjoy your masturbatory fantasies. I know more guys in their 50s pulling 3 new twenty somethings every week than you could ever imagine. Is it as exciting as your fantasy: no, but it is real.

And also whose money are your fantasy boys spending? Their parents.... woah how alpha.... lol

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