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Pretty Waitresses Earn Bigger Tips, From Women (businessinsider.com)

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[–]uthant12323 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps it's just me, but I've noticed how women can be very deferential to the more attractive members of their own gender. Even more than how regular guys may look up to the prototypical Chad. Perhaps the women's generous tips to pretty waitresses is an expression of this deference?

In the trufemcel sub, it's clear the women there deeply resent/envy the photogenic "Stacies" as they call them. But in real life, they likely behave very graciously in any interactions with these Stacies.

Maybe women are inclined to equate "pretty" with "good" or "deserving" moreso than men. And for both genders.

[–]SCTN23022 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On reddit ugly fat cunts can pretend like they hate Stacy, but "femcels" (a make believe term but whatever) would lick Stacy's pussy clean if told too because women care about hierarchy more than men.

Men want authority to feel special.

Women want authority to make others feel like shit.

For them this is a constant concern where they are placed under the hierarchy. So there's no way in hell even the ugliest most crass bitch imaginable would pull the hair out of a Stacy. Shed much rather bide her time as a servant, and hope for a middle status male she can take her frustration out on all while increasing her stature.

[–]Coraxel[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are strangely obsessed with physical appearance, even with the physical appearance of people they are not attracted to (other women). I strongly agree with the last part of your comment.

[–]SophisticatedBean3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This also rings true for me in certain situations between female acquaintances and friends. Men sometimes also act opportunistically and submissive in presence of other high status males, but it does seem to be a stronger automatism in females.

However, the restaurant customers were probably on average older than the waitresses. The paper does not provide information about age, but waitresses have an average age of just 30.1 and female attractiveness is somewhat correlated with age, so the attractive ones likely have an average age of just 27, or so. The average age of restaurant customers, on the other hand, is around 40.

Not sure how power dynamics as you described play out between an older woman and a young attractive waitress, but they are most likely weaker if present at all. It's more likely a mother-daughter situation (as I suggested below) than one of respecting Stacy's status.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty women have the power. If pretty women have a stronger relationship with the less pretty women, they might be more empathetic to their ‘issues’. Just a possible explanation.

[–]SophisticatedBean10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Link to study:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016748701500046X

attractive servers earn approximately $1261 more per year than unattractive servers

Quite substantial.

One hypothesis they have not considered is the correlation between female attractiveness and neoteny. A childish waitress may elicit a mothering instinct in females more. Women are overall more egalitarian and have a drive to make sure "everyone is fed", which probably explains why they tip more (especially knowing that waitresses in the U.S. depend on tips a fair bit) and may be amplified by a childish/beautiful face.

According to some evolutionary psychologists, the modern-day benefits of being beautiful — an extra three bucks on an order of chicken wings and beer — actually stem from older humans' desire to seek out people without harmful genetic mutations.

Probably not. Unattractiveness is not a reliable signal of overall mutational load, at least not among waitresses.

[–]ColonParentheses1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed on all accounts except your last sentence.

The point being made is simply an explanation of the evolutionary logic behind the Halo Effect (beauty yielding social benefits). The article goes on to make some further dubious claims ("Maybe women are rewarding other women for the effort they make in trying to look good," he writes, "something which women might know and care more about.") but they're just explaining the evolutionary logic of wanting to associate with beautiful people here.

Unattractiveness, if we define it as "deviance from a known symmetrical morphological archetype" (which evolutionary psychology does), absolutely is a reliable signal for genetic fitness. The important thing is that this is true in the environment of evolutionary adaptation, not in the present. These mechanisms evolved to serve humans living thousands of years ago. So while you're right that they're not applicable to evaluating the fitness of WAITRESSES specifically, they are still very much at play. Our stone-age brains have not caught up to our modern environments.

[–]SophisticatedBean3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

beauty yielding social benefits

From the articles they have linked:

Evolutionary psychology holds that faces really are windows onto certain fundamental and important characteristics indicative of a person’s quality as a romantic partner and as a mate — qualities of health and genes, and even character.

They are not merely talking about social benefits, but about "good genes", but that's a dead theory.

Unattractiveness, if we define it as "deviance from a known symmetrical morphological archetype" (which evolutionary psychology does), absolutely is a reliable signal for genetic fitness.

Very unlikely. There is no relation between fluctuating symmetry and health. The science done about it has been exposed as fraud:

https://www.the-scientist.com/features/a-fluctuating-reality-46903

There is a relation between strong deformities/skin irregularity and health, but waiters and waitresses practically never have that. Human's strong preference for symmetric faces are likely Fisherian runaway, see e.g. Richard Prum's book from 2017.

[–]rigbed5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Women hate asymmetry and ugliness.

[–]SophisticatedBean0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Then one would expect females to pay a smaller tip to ugly men which they don't (at least not significantly).

[–]rigbed3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How many ugly men are waiters

[–]SophisticatedBean1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, the study is limited about the extent to which looks matter because waiters and waitresses are already mostly selected to have some level of attractiveness. A very ugly person would probably be uncomfortable with such a job.

[–]rigbed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve only ever seen ugly waitresses at restaurants that are in the middle of nowhere but in cities waitresses will sometimes be feminists.

[–]kieran93231 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I worked waiting jobs in michelin star restaurant, pubs, nightclubs, temp work during events and as a receptionist. Still incel, even though I got plenty of exposure to young female coworkers who were of similar socio-economic background.

[–]rigbed1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did you run dark triad game

[–]kieran93231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I lied my way(CV and in general) into all the jobs that I had.

[–]rigbed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you lie your way into bussing?

Lying isn’t dark triad unless you use it on women

[–]ElGupo19784 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are fans of beauty same as men are sports fans.

[–]OscarMadison-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attractive women in the service industry put up with a lot of harassment and unwanted advances. Other women are sympathetic to this.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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