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[–]1KirthWGersen 1769 points1770 points  (213 children)

The scary thing about the Ansari case is that his accuser says that she changed her mind after the fact and yet there are many vocal feminists who still class his behaviour as abuse. It makes a mockery of the whole concept of consent:

"Grace says her friends helped her grapple with the aftermath of her night with Ansari. “It took a really long time for me to validate this as sexual assault,” she told us. “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.”

She texts him, dates him, consents to sex, goes down on him twice. But when she looks back, she was not 100% satisfied and since he is famous and because presumably she can get some attention/money out of it (me too! me too!) SHE COMPLETELY CHANGES HER VIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED. And it is her subsequent feeling about the event that are real, not the actual facts.

If giving a man a blowjob is not "enthusiastic consent" what the fuck is?

And then there is the invasion of his privacy, describing the consensual sex they had together to the world. Do famous people now have to get an NDA signed as well as a consent form before sex?

Personally, I'd sue her for libel.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 725 points726 points  (78 children)

What's so messed up is that we are in a point in time where we are acknowledging the emotions about something as the actual reality of it. What a bizarre time in history.

[–]-xander 234 points235 points  (26 children)

You've touched upon a vibrant and ongoing debate in the social sciences around feminist epistemology. This includes the belief that values and emotions are the actual reality of an event (feminist empiricism).

Example: Say a girl gets creeped-out by you whilst you are both riding the bus. You didn't mean to creep her out (heck, you didn't even notice her), and others didn't think you did and, by conventional measures, you couldn't be said to have done anything. Under these circumstances, the creeped-out girl can still state with conviction that you creeped her out. If the feeling was real to her, that satisfies the criteria of reality.

This is certainly part of the reason why the #metoo campaign has taken off, particularly in university settings (even if people aren't conscious of it).

[–]1Zanford 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Ah, finally, an academic term for 'feels over reals'. I knew there had to be one! Poe's Law in action yet again

[–]youonlylive2wice 61 points62 points  (19 children)

I don't like this example because you did creep her out... Being creeped out is a purely internal phenomenon.

A better example would be if you bumped into her on the crowded bus and she says you assaulted her...

In the first she felt creeped out which is fine and legit and irrelevant... In the second she claims she was assaulted. She wasn't but that's how she FELT. She can FEEL however the fuck she wants. Feelings are irrelevant outside of your head bubble.

I felt I did well on the test... Whether I did or did not is immaterial in regards to my feelings... But my feelings don't get me a good grade either.

[–]1mrust 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Being creeped out is a purely internal phenomenon.

That was the entire point of his post. Emotional reality for feminists trumps actual reality. It was the perfect example and you missed it because of how illogical it is.

[–]BonelessSkinless 2 points3 points  (1 child)

But see feelings are going from irrelevant outside of head bubbles to actual fact in court...

[–]youonlylive2wice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they're being used to compare to the real world things.

[–]_orion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh dude, i so wish if i felt good about a test my feelings were considered in my grade

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, Stanford is hosting this. Guess I no longer regret not getting admitted there.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

What utter fucking bullshit

[–]ohyeawellyousuck 232 points233 points  (29 children)

I think it goes even further than that, where pretty soon emotional manipulation will qualify as sexual assault. I made a post in the stand up comedy reddit about this very issue where I said if we continue feeding women by qualifying this type of behavior as assault, we are setting ourselves up for a future where if a man doesn't do as a women asks, she will say he is abusing her and he will go to jail. It's absurd to think, but it's starting to feel very real.

[–]dumgum 127 points128 points  (3 children)

I think it goes even further than that, where pretty soon emotional manipulation will qualify as sexual assault.

But only when the "assaulter" is a guy, of course. The standard, run-of-the-mill emotional manipulation that women do to guys will continue as usual.

[–]Jeff4116 65 points66 points  (1 child)

But only when the "assaulter"

Assailant is the word you're looking for; one who commits assault is an assailant.

[–]dumgum 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I'll try to remember that.

[–]_orion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the real masters of brain assault

[–]09005 8 points8 points [recovered]

Maybe the “Christian Gray” method is the correct method to initiating a consensual relationship. Sign the contract or get out.

[–]wracky272 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Eh, they throw out pre-nups all the time, and it will only take one ultra lib judge to create precedent for throwing out sexual contracts, too.

[–]BlackCraneStoic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That judge would deserve a bullet between the eyes. This is why people respect law enforcement and the judicial system less and less.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Is they're somewhere I can download a PDF of NDA for sexual relations?

[–]pbgswd 3 points4 points  (2 children)

there are good discussions around consent in the kink community. There is a very good amount of information on it there around how to negotiate what is acceptable.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That sounds like a lot of work. I'd rather they just check the box for anal, pearl necklace, hair pulling etc.

[–]pbgswd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is a checklist. For all the kinks people have, the one I have is 11 pages. And anal, pearl necklace and hair pulling are all in there.

[–]1Zanford 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're rich and famous enough to be a blackmail/lawsuit target, you should seriously consider this. Plus have her consent to recording everything (people make amateur porn just or kicks anyway...make it sexy, watch 'em together later for kicks...always with offsite backup copies of course)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Useless since she can say that in the middle of the act she wanted to stop but you kept going.

[–]fatboychi 40 points41 points  (8 children)

Just look at all the feminist future greentexts from 4chan, they sound ridiculous and bizarre but their basis in reality isn't that far off.

[–]Xtermix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In specific parts of the world only

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What is a feminist future greentext?

[–]crashhacker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's when users posted a fictional reality/event on 4chan in which they amplify all that is happening right now. Such as

be me beta virgin

girl on bus didn't like my face

spending time in jail now

etc etc. Google them such as "whg greentexts" you should find them.

[–]_orion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i still have hope in humanity, that the world will grow tierd of this shit and stonewall a ho

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Explain. This isn't 4chan.

[–]TheVeryWorstLuck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's how I feel NOW... I'm single and literally afraid to flirt with a woman, because if it's unwanted flirting I'm waking up in jail with a sexual assault trial pending.

[–]NoMansLight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For a future? I'd bet you dollars and doughnuts that is exactly what happens all the time.

[–]acetylcysteine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the girl hacksquatting in front of me wearing the smallest shorts ever technically sexually assaulted everyone in the room. if a guy was working out half naked in the same gym he'd be reprimanded.

[–]kagetsuki23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this is a shit test from the system to see how much they can oppress men without men doing anything about it. Men need to fight back against the system or accept their fate.

[–]PIGamer86 26 points27 points  (7 children)

Have I got a story for you.

[–]_orion 18 points19 points  (3 children)

story reminds me of a girl i was kinda dating at the time. girl got sloshed on liquor for the first time... i had no idea she had never been drunk before. go to a concert, she gets us kicked out at the door. take her home since she couldn't find the keys to her dorm. spend the next couple of hours keeping her from drowning in her own puke in the toilet. strip her down and put her in the shower, wash her off, put her in some of my clothes and sleep beside her so she don't roll over and drown in her puke, she was that bad. now keep in mind we had been together for a couple months at that point. she wakes up the next morning complaining she can't see outta one eye. two hospitals later she finds out she has a detatched retina from puking too hard/old cheerleading injury. couple years later hooking up with one of her old friends and find out i supposedly beat the shit outta her and thats why she wound up in the hospital having her eye re attached and then we broke up. talk about a nice surprise.

[–]MomChomsky 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It took you guys a couple months before you had your first drinks together?

[–]KnowBrainer 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This man needed an assault rifle 30 years ago.

I'll be dammed if I follow an officer into a cell for a crime I didn't commit.

[–]Eckz89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what the actual fuck.

So what happened to the Denver woman? i mean i know its not technicaly not perjury but it did mislead the shit out of the Jurors.

[–]KnowBrainer 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Logic is housed somewhere in the Y chromosome, apparently.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That’s what happens when you give these 3rd wavers too much leeway.. nonsense.

[–]RedPill115 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What's so messed up is that we are in a point in time where we are acknowledging the emotions about something as the actual reality of it.

That's not really the problem. We have sex because of some sort of emotions, without emotions we'd only have sex a couple of times for procreation.

The problem is that we're at a point in time where the link between the cause of emotions and the emotions themselves doesn't matter.

It's like:
- a girl sees an ugly animal
- the the building she's in collapses on her greatly injuring her
- she demands that the animal be put down because she felt bad looking at it when she was injured

[–]sweetleef 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women have always utilized that bizarre rationale.

The difference now is that the media and the legal system are catering to it.

[–]trpanak1n 8 points9 points  (0 children)

may we find a protagonist mighty enough to defeat this iniquity...

[–]Velebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

today the only religion is empathy

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Smfh. How can we put a stop to this? One chad at a time?

[–]Bascome 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Have you noticed that the word "feel" has almost totally replaced the word "think" in speech.

Even sports announcers say it now, "I feel he could have caught that ball".

We used to have the courage to own our thoughts, now we just hide them behind feeling because everyones feelings are valid. Ugh.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have noticed that! I think we see the same things happening. Another one I noticed is conscience/shaming when it comes to handling the emotion of guilt. Go read/listen/watch some old media, and notice how much they use the word "conscience" and notice now that we've don't use it nearly as much (if at all to be honest, try and find it in normal usage and it's much much harder than ever). It's been completely replaced with the word "shaming". If I feel guilty, it's not my own conscience anymore, it's other people's fault for ____-shaming me (insert whatever you feel guilty about). I'm sure there is a much larger point that's obvious, but I haven't put as much thought into it besides the whole ego-protection aspect, but even that doesn't explain the complete 180 in usage.

[–]PowerVitamin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the same age as the dark age. We are in the Kali Yuga.

It is only our technology that has surpassed in time, not our human spirit.

[–]LawsCoolStudent 399 points400 points  (37 children)

It's getting so pants-on-head retarded. She told him to chill, they moved to the couch where she thought he'd "rub or back or play with her hair" and instead he asked her to suck his dick... AND SHE DID. How can you be this weak? You don't want to have sex and he keeps indicating he does, SO LEAVE.

But she didn't leave, and reading between the lines, you can tell it's because she wanted Aziz to be a romantic who'd date her and "treat her right." She's just mad because she wanted a relationship and he wanted a one-night stand, so she decided to try and ruin his fucking life.

[–]mitzibishi 2 points2 points [recovered]

That's her story. He didn't wife her for all her sexual effort and this is her revenge. He saw the red flags and dodged a bullet. Sex is not a contact for a relationship just like paying for dinner does not equal sex afterwards

[–]Docbear64 103 points104 points  (0 children)

This sense of entitlement is becoming insane when it was already outrageous . This bitch thinks she should be a celebrity WAG just because she sucked a famous comedians dick . She probably had nothing going for her besides a nice pair of tits and yet she deserves all the wining , dining, and romantic investment from this man who is actually holds some entertainment value and had to work to garner fame and interest.

This generation of bitches is a fucking trash heap.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The good ol inverse covert contract

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Her revenge was only something that she wanted when she saw him at the golden globes wearing the timesup pin or whatever. Having her face rubbed in the fact that he's a celebrity doing famous ppl shit ... that is what made her re-pissed off, and made her reconsider the encounter and decide she thought it was sexual assault.

Happens all the time, guy makes some money and fame in his late 20s and some chick said in college he was "sexually aggressive and raped her while she was intoxicated" - aka they both got drunk at a party and fucked. Like that TJ Miller thing.

They'll wait years until they are triggered by something else, they are biding their time, waiting to cash in until their guaranteed the maximum amount of sympathy and spotlight from society.

[–]OompaLoompaFarts 7 points7 points [recovered]

High end escorts

Worth every penny and you have protection from this kind of b.s.

Welcome to 2018!

Don’t put yourself in a position where a female can do this to you.

If I’m Aziz, I hire private investigators, bulldog lawyers, and put the screws to this biatch.

[–]toppagelame 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Unless your rich and famous, then they can still extort. If your rich and famous, you kinda have to throw the one night stands and shit out the window. Its small sacrifice for your lifestyle.

[–]NoMansLight 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Or we can just stop demonizing male sexuality. Oh who am I kidding.

[–]chemicalprogrammer 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Isn't the whole point of being rich and famous to get tons of strange? If thats off the table then why bother

[–]wanderer779 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Like with most things I think there's a happy medium. You want to be rich enough to do what you want but not so rich that you're getting hounded for charitable donations and political contributions. And you want some reputation so you have connections but not sp much notoriety that people you don't know start bothering you.

[–]choomguy 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I dont think it matters if its one night, or you’re married to her, the standard today is if she decides 30 years later that she didnt want sex, then its rape.

[–]leviathan51 11 points12 points  (7 children)

And escort cannot accuse you?

[–]kragshot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The good ones are paid enough money not to need to accuse anyone unless it's something really fucked up. And then there's the ones that get paid even more for that kind of stuff.

[–]yungassed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thats actually one of the only benefits of having having it illegal in the states is that it prevents any accusations from the whore because in doing so, she would have to incriminate herself.

[–]OompaLoompaFarts 1 points1 points [recovered]

Do you know of any accusations?

That would be really weird....

[–]greatslyfer[🍰] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It would be weird cause they would turn away future clients cause they run the risk of being accused.

[–]_orion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not if her pimp gives her the backhand and tells her if she opens her mouth shes gonna lose him some of that money

[–]MarinTaranu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but here's the trick, anyone who paid her a lot for her services can also pay to have her disappear. Or ruin her reputation in the escort community. Rich guys don't play games.

[–]NightFire45 26 points27 points  (1 child)

This is what happens though when you act like an "ally". She probably figured he's a dickless loser but got woke. For Aziz this puts him in a tough spot.

[–]1Original_Dankster 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's a big part of it. Jian Ghomeshi was the same, Louis CK as well - each was a feminist "ally" whose investment in that ideology ultimately offered them no protection whatsoever. I suspect it's partly because these dumb broads expected nu-male hand-holding instead of overt sexuality.

[–]_orion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

when she could of either a. handled it better. or b. given it up, be cool and maybe he'd stick around win some lose some type deal.

but ya know whats not gonna lead to a relationship with a star, whining, bitchin, leaving and publishing a story about it as female revenge porn.

[–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's just mad because she wanted a relationship and he wanted a one-night stand, so she decided to try and ruin his fucking life.

This is exactly what happen. Men have got to start fighting against this.

[–]JamesLucrative 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excuse you sweaty... But you cannot just say no to that amazing man's dick. His balls are literally made out of Red Lobster cheese biscuits.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 88 points89 points  (11 children)

Within minutes of returning, she was sitting on the kitchen counter and he was—apparently consensually—performing oral sex on her (here the older reader’s eyes widen, because this was hardly the first move in the “one night stands” of yesteryear),

Ahh yes, the ol' "pleasure her because you're only interested in yourself routine." Her conclusion, AMALT.

I mean as a thought exercise, what possible alternative reality could exist in this situation? How could this have even proceeded in a way that didn't cause this outcome?

The actual conclusion to this, is the only way, was for him to be more viscerally attractive.

This is an unintentional meta debate about the mechanisms of female self rationalization that plugged in men are trying to sort out without the requisite knowledge to understand what is happening here.

If we were more developed as a society, we'd be able to simply point out that "hey, you're operating naively, and bazaarly we might add, and all that really happened here is you didn't find him that attractive and the sex was bad."

But here we are having sloppy philosophical arguments about bad sex with men that are weak, and women who do not understand themselves.

[–]yes_we_can_t 36 points37 points  (6 children)

The actual conclusion to this, is the only way, was for him to be more viscerally attractive.

Nah, he could have been way more smooth in seducing her. His behavior was needy, which lowers his attractiveness leaps and bounds.

E.g. her lmr where she tells him to chill, he should be disaffected, but withdraw attention completely. Chill a bit, then reconnect at a level she's comfortable with.

Even telling her to leave if she's not interested is a better strategy than immediately picking up at a hardcore level.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 17 points18 points  (3 children)

My point stands. This is why we have a disdain for PUA at TRP to an extent. You're basically pointing out if his blue pill game was stronger he'd be okay. When otherwise, no such thing would be necessary and he wouldn't even be in this situation.

[–]yes_we_can_t 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If your point is that if he was more attractive this wouldn't be a problem, you're right. Be hot enough and you can be as needy as a baby and still get laid (though badly).

I'm making a different point. If he wasn't so needy he'd probably not been on the front page today. This has nothing to do with blue pill game, only seduction.

Secondly, I'm repeating a well proven way to beat LMR: Chill out.

I'm using PUA lingo, because it's more specific and useful than "Be attractive, hold frame!" Much of the PUA stuff is just bullshit faking attractive signals, while red pill is actually becoming an attractive man.

However, don't forget that much of that stuff has had thousands of men working for years refining techniques and documenting what works and what doesn't. That's how we got to where we are today.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Calling PUA tactic to disarm LMR BP like calling guns murderous.

[–]Godskook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why we have a disdain for PUA at TRP to an extent.

My disdain for PUA is about goals and philosophy, not technique. I'm not a big fan of 1-night stands. I want an LTR, and I want to actually become the man, not just fake it. But I still glean from PUA because good technique is good technique. I'll figure out how to integrate it into a self-actualization philosophy.

[–]chemicalprogrammer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean sometimes shit just doesn't click for whatever reason. Every guy in here taking Aziz to task for "being beta" has had similar experiences.

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

older reader’s eyes widen, because this was hardly the first move in the “one night stands” of yesteryear

President Clinton would beg to differ

[–]Indubitably_Confused 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. There are times where I mistakenly believe that our society was/is advanced/advancing. But honestly it's more akin to sophisticated, abstracted turd slinging.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's ridiculous to think that just being more viscerally attractive could have saved him.

[–]Neat_On_The_Rocks 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Some famous people legit do get nda signed. There are professional athletes who have big “house parties” in their homes where all the guests have to sign nda to enter. The atheletes that do this petty much exclusively get new partners at these parties. It’s most common in the nba, it’s fascinating to dive into that world.

It’s crazy but they gotta protect he selves.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting how extreme the relations have gotten between the sexes. Extremely bad that is.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (5 children)

I’d sue her too. The #metoo movement is empowering feelings over law and order.

This is a female that is bitter about her past hypergamy choices. Post wall, post prime, or full of regret, females act this way as they see their options and value diminishing by the year. It’s why you see so many older women leading the charge.

[–]U_Lika_Da_Tomato 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I thought I read that she was 23.

[–]orangepoppy_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Red pillers think anything past 16 is post wall.

[–]number1journeyfan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If he sued her it wouldn't go anywhere. If it did, however, it'd be a major statement and major decision in the scale of defamation cases

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 138 points139 points  (17 children)

The scary thing about the Ansari case is that his accuser says that she changed her mind after the fact and yet there are many vocal feminists who still class his behaviour as abuse.

His mistake was that he wasn't "nice" enough to her or "treat her right".

What transpired was this: swipl girl - and we know she white and liberal - gets the tingles for short-ish, middling celebrity brown guy. Swipl girl happily goes on date with said guy, gives the pussy up too soon, and, ex post facto, realizes that she was just a pump-n-dump, and Aziz was not going to be her ticket to a bi-coastal, literary, profiled-in-Vanity Fair lifestyle.

Result? "I was RAAAAAAAAYPED!!!" with the goal of running Aziz' career.

If giving a man a blowjob is not "enthusiastic consent" what the fuck is?

But...but...but HE SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON THE NON-VERBAL CLUEZ!!! /s

Be careful out there, fellas, and stay the fuck away from 99% of American women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 12 points13 points  (1 child)

We also can be pretty sure she's right around 27-29. Bitches on the wall go completely insane when they use the potential of a relationship to bait them in, then just try to pump and dump. Her wrath is that of one who was forced to realize that to a nerdy brown short male, she's too low value to get him to think of her as LTR material. She thought she found Captain save a ho, but it turns out he was "the same as all the other guys." So, since he's doing what all the other guys did, well, it's time to fuck up his life in particular.

The wall breaks some women's psyche. Save your sport fucking for younger women or married women who just need excitement.

[–]ryno55 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SWPL, I cringe every time you write swipl.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have thought about posting this for a long time, it is not just American women, it is all western women. If she was raised in a western culture (US, UK, Western Europe, Canada, Australia or any predominantly white culture) then she is NOT SAFE. The song “American Woman” has proven to be very prophetic indeed.

[–]-firemelon- 1 point2 points  (6 children)

this is her way of reducing his masculinity. his confidence , independence and assertiveness. she wasn't able to reduce his independence with her body (where he would commit) so she's reducing it in other ways.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Ansari had to misfortune to bring home a particularly poisonous "literary woman" and then have awkward, bad sex with her. She then figured out that she was being discarded and thus, in her eyes, he went from Creative Celebrity to Brown Guy Who I Accidentally Fucked, thus her 3000 word polemic revenge porn article, in which her identity is conveniently hidden - and don't think that the choice of "Grace" wasn't carefully thought out - while he he held out to be shamed because they had bad sex. She choose "Grace" as a signal - "Yes, I, Literary Woman!! starfucker, was forced to endure Bad Sex with a Celebrity! brown guy. Worse a SHORT brown guy! Quelle Horreur!!!"

The level of detail is comedic - "He offered me white wine instead of my preferred red." Well, yes, because he was trying to be a gracious host and he's not a fucking mind-reader. He probably prefers red, too, but was trying to make you happy. That never occurs to her. Why? Because is there anyone more solipsistic than that "Literary Woman"?

[–]-firemelon- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly where I think he messed up the most was having a meal with her in the first place. That's what made her think she could get him to reduce his independence and commit to her. An impossibly high status man. It should have been hey do you want to come over to my house and it would have gone fine. Or just a drink at the most.

Also the bit about him paying for the expensive meal and wine too fast for her liking is hilarious. How entitled can you get. If a guy wrote that.

It irks her that this high status man was able to basically use her as a sex toy and no commitment occurred. Now in her own eyes she is basically a whore. She even gave him her number when she was on a date with another man. It's these emotions

[–]MomChomsky 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Does " SwIpl girl " stand for, SINGLE White in powered liberal girl ?

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Personally, I'd sue her for libel.

And yet he's busy apologizing. Not only is what happened not his fault but he's been so programmed to think it is that he's not even bothering to defend himself.

[–]U_Lika_Da_Tomato 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Defending his career. Hollywood is an institution of indoctrination. Thinks what you will, but talk like others; to poorly paraphrase.

[–]hulk_hogans_alt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but regardless, he's not defending anything. He even reiterated that he thinks the metoo movement is good and necessary. He could have at least defending himself in some way.

[–]1OneRedSock 61 points62 points  (6 children)

I wanted validation that it was actually bad.

Women outsource their concept of self. Just like they outsource the burden of responsibility to men -- mansplaining, consent under the influence, etc. -- they outsource their feelings to the closest friends. You've seen it before if you've ever been around a few women: one is happy about a certain situation, then two others gang up on her and tell her how she should actually feel the complete opposite, and suddenly she starts to waiver and before you know it she's just as angry about it as they are.

This is because women take the shape of their container, but when it's just women talking they're formless and without a container. The only thing that creates the container is the one (or ones) with the stronger emotive skills at that moment.

In the case of a one-on-one female interaction, this would be whoever currently sounds most authoritative. This would be the one who is not suffering from some recent heart break or current bout of minor depression. The weaker one therefore hears any bullshit this person says and takes it as gospel, simply because she is in a more emotionally weak position at the current moment.

In the case of multiple women, even if they were all roughly at a similar emotional equilibrium, if the majority of the group simply says a minority is incorrect, then the minority will begin to take the belief systems of the majority to properly correct itself and to fit in better with the group. Even if this is not an immediate response, you will see them begin to doubt their own thoughts in the moment; sooner or later they will correct these thoughts to fit the majority.

This is why unicorns don't exist. Even if you think you found a woman raised by old-school parents who believe in a solid husband-wife relationship that seems to have a perfect family up-bringing; you will still be disappointed. Simply because your woman is still outsourcing how she should feel about you to not only her parents -- especially mom -- but also all her new-agey feminist friends; and they all dislike you if you show even a modicum of authority.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is a very accurate post - especially the bit about unicorns. She's lucky enough to have had good influences, and as a result, she developed some degree of character and hamster management. Put her in with some new friends who all party and cheat on their men, very soon she'll be guarding her phone too.

This is why women decide they were raped years later. They tell some friends their super biased mis-remembered story, as their own hamster has molded it. Those friends act appalled and say she was raped and they are so mad, they are so furious on her behalf, so angry at him, etc. She crowdsources her beliefs, character, and sense of reality (including her sense of history and what actually happened), and voila, she realizes she was raped. And because she's a woman, it's not a logical belief, it's that she actually fundamentally believes she was raped. The collective feels around her become her reality; they become more real that her own memory, and she can do her act in public with real conviction because to her, it is real.

[–]U_Lika_Da_Tomato 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Stealing that "women take the shape of their container" line. Sums it up beautifully.

[–]Sanitarydanger 1 points1 points [recovered]

is this where I was headed with my anger and frustration???

Fucking I almost became like you just because my girlfriend broke up with me what the fuck how does anyone talk like this about other human beings?

Women might be shapeless containers but you and I both are males with MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS MONKEY BRAINS

[–]Sanitarydanger 1 points1 points [recovered]

I WILL DESTROY MY HOUSR AND BREAK ALL THE THINGS I ONCE LOVED

[–]swimgewd 12 points13 points  (1 child)

There are also many feminists, like the author of this linked article, who feel what this woman is describing removes agency from women and victimizes them. There are also those feminists.

[–]1kick6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are not currently driving the dumpster fire that is feminism, though.

[–]krakenx 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Aziz literally wrote the book about Modern Romance. If even he can't avoid getting pulled into a trap like this, what hope do the rest of us have?

[–]RedPill115 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You got it backwards, he's pulled into a trap like this because he embraced feminist ideology and talked about romance.

These feminists have a huge self-hate complex. When you start joining in with them they have a chance to project that hate onto you.

[–]Docbear64 24 points25 points  (0 children)

That's why you don't romance them , you fuck them and chuck them . I've seen a directly inversely proportional relationship with romance and women being into me and I grew up a hopeless romantic .

Don't work for her, make her work for you . If you're worth the effort she'll respect and appreciate you more for it.

[–]RedPillWintergreen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol I think that book will be the new joke gift for 2018

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Do famous people now have to get an NDA signed as well as a consent form before sex?

I've heard of bands that require NDAs and sexual consent forms before allowing groupies backstage.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 15 points16 points  (1 child)

They do. And most high end superstars simply hire escorts anyway. You’re paying them to keep their mouths shut and go away.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't always work. See "Daniels, Stormy" and "Trump, Donald J".

[–]1empatheticapathetic 119 points120 points  (4 children)

All women want is drama. That's it.

It's either at your expense or to your benefit. Your behaviour will choose which one.

[–]-ATLAS-_ 85 points86 points  (3 children)

It's the lowest tool to bring significance to a person who feels insignificant. It's the same as thinking that being angry makes you powerful because suddenly people respond to you. It's the lowest form of significance and is always at the cost of others.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Women only care about results. Results define their reality for them. Everything in between is simply a tool used to achieve their desired results.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Results? Ha. You're projecting male thinking onto them. They care about how it makes them feel. Everything they do is for her to feel something. They don't give two shits in a bucket about results other than the resultant feelings they get from whatever it is.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was worded badly. But i mean that, women will shit test the fuck out of you to no end, just to see how you handle it. It doesn't matter if she kills your entire family in the process (i'm sure you're aware), all that matters to her perception is your reaction and how you handle it.

[–]parappathrptr 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I mean, it's not like Dave Chappelle didn't suggest that NDA ....

[–]Eckz89 2 points3 points  (1 child)

i believe its called the "Love contract"

https://vimeo.com/183089808

[–]Spacecop94 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Chappelle warned us about this years ago

[–]HoldDatCrew 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Everyone needs to read this comment. Read it. Women will come together to bring down any man brutally. JFC “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.”

Good lord that is frightening that women have THAT much power. That's some truly dystopian shit

[–]Eckz89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dave Chapelle called it over 14 years ago...

https://vimeo.com/183089808

[–]PrancingPeach 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She texts him, dates him, consents to sex, goes down on him twice.

Don't forget that he went down on her too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

now you get why celebrities have Heidi Fleiss type escort services. I would only order girls from guaranteed safe services, i'm sure they have pimps that have girls that sign waivers and go thru security screening before seeing the client, etc. I can't imaging being famous and just letting some random girl suck my dick. it could lead to so much trouble, as we're seeing.

but you bring up the great point about women changing their mind. as i've always said if a girl is resisting a little bit, she might just be shy, not want to seem a slut. now if she keeps resisting and clearly says NO, i'm not interested, of course you stop. any clear indicator she really isn't into it from the start, yeah you don't do anything. but this concept of oh i liked having that dick in my mouth and now i regret it because i feel he used me because he never called me back. go fuck yourself. i bet that's what hapepened. she was a slut, he pounded her face, and then when she realized he used her like a cheap groupie, she got all offended and cried assault. that is not assault. assault occurs when something forcibly happens during the incident.

it's why this system is fucked. if a woman can fuck you and enjoy then call rape because.....feelings, what choice do men have but to never participate in love or sexual relationships with women ever again.

and i'll agree, sometimes sex is weird, awkward and sometime it happens with someone that once it begins, you realize you don't want to have sex with that person. that is all personal regret, not assault. I have an anus and it'd be hard as fuck for someone to stick a dick into it without me wanting that, yet women act like a dick going into their pussy just happens, omg, what happeend, i had no idea, i feel assaulted.

i get that in sex men are the aggressors and women are passive starfish, doesn't mean because we're the ones pounding them we are someone always the aggressors. that is the biggest fallacy of the sexes which can be seen in domestic abuse which is often women. men are seen as brutal asshole abusers yet women are the ones beating everyone.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He should seriously take a moral stand and take her to court. Punishing actual attackers is of paramount importance, but society needs to understand where the boundary lies.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd sue her cos she is a dumb bitch let alone anything else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isnt there a skit about this in Chapelle show

[–]number1journeyfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, "public figures" can't sue for libel except under certain specific circumstances and they have a lot more to prove. It makes these kinds of accusations very easy

[–]2CasaDeFranco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sue for libel?

If he were wise, he would make an arrangement out of court rather than an extended public court proceeding where x other women emerge with similar stories. And there will be I bet, given his inability to escalate appropriately or handle LMR; and secondly his attempt to fuck a groupie.

His immediate focus should be to try to bury this shit.

Metoo movement wants martyrs.

The higher in status you are the more you should try to mitigate the risk of being played, i.e don't try to fuck groupies or famewhores.

In my industry, I had news circulate in WSJ, Guardian etc about a deal my company was closing, out of the woodwork girls (and men too) would contact me on social media and try to reopen our relationship.

Aziz should know better than not take it anywhere beyond pleasantries, let alone sticking his fingers in her mouth in an attempt to power through LMR.

[–]teslacars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe if she would have had a sex with him and wasn’t satisfied, then that would be rape.

[–]Onidramon 365 points366 points  (3 children)

Basically, if you become too famous in the current climate and you've had any sexual encounters whatsoever within the last 50 years, there's a 75% chance you're gonna get hit with that bullshit. Having a 15-page signed and dated contractual agreement to one toothy blowjob is pretty much even more essential to the western man's safety today than a condom.

There's never been a better time to be a high status guy with a low profile, but fly too close to the sun and know the cuckening of Icarus

[–]1DetectiveDing-Daaahh 81 points82 points  (1 child)

That last sentence is pure gold.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

"The cuckening of Icarus" is the funniest shit I've heard all day. You are a poet.

[–]wracky272 567 points568 points  (81 children)

And here we are folks: a perfect example of a date not going the way she dreamed of, so we destroy a man's career because of some discomfort.

After arriving at his apartment in Manhattan on Monday evening, they exchanged small talk and drank wine. “It was white,” she said. “I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.”

Yup, sounds like a date from hell. Nothing stinks of entitlement here, no sir!

She recalls there was still wine in her glass and more left in the bottle he ordered. The abruptness surprised her. “Like, he got the check and then it was bada-boom, bada-bing, we’re out of there.”

Wait, I thought you didn't like the wine?

When Ansari told her he was going to grab a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’”

Something like that. It doesn't matter what she said, or that she's decided 4 months later (right after Aziz wins a Golden Globe... interesting. Bitter much?) that yeah, it was definitely something like that.

She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”

Maybe the part where you were on your knees sucking his dick made him think he had consent! No, not enough. Apparently him taking oral sex as a green light was unacceptable. The rest of the encounter is admittedly really bad foreplay, and an example of a Beta trying to pull of Alpha moves, but it's not like he's forcing her to stay.

But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him.

I'll admit, not smooth at this point so, what does Aziz do? Does he rape her? Does he lock the doors? No, he calls her a fucking cab. Remember: worst night of her life, and you know what? I actually believe her because this is entitlement at its peak.

Honestly I don't know how any sound-minded male calls himself an "ally" or "male feminist" at this point. It's clear they don't want men on their side, and it clearly doesn't get you laid (it just gets you in trouble).

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 94 points95 points  (5 children)

asked her

.... "asked her to perform oral sex"

Aka the definition of consent, asking.

[–]mirage1e 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Dude! Women/media act like asking for consent is abuse now! Legally speaking you can walk around and ask every woman You see if they’d like to sleep with you, if they say no, go on to the next, would it be effective or wise? No, but you are allowed to ask lol CONSENT ASKING IS WHAT MEN DO WHEN THEY DONT WANT THE GIRL TO FEEL FORCED lol

If we apparently aren’t allowed to flirt, complement how a girl looks, give any looks or non verbal cues, ask for consent or even be in the same room without a third party, how the fuck do these feminazis expect a guy to get laid? Let alone without any backlash.

ITS SO GODDAMN TWISTED LMAO

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (1 child)

how the fuck do these feminazis expect a guy to get laid?

That's the problem with asking too. Nearly every single woman will turn down a guy if he asked for consent. Ofcourse no woman will admit this. But one of the main things we preach here is to just go for it.

But feminist are wanting guys to ask if they can kiss them and more. LOL If that was the case every guy would be a sexless drone.

If you go to other internet forums, beating LMR is considered rape to a lot of people. I dare anyone here to go to the relationship sub and mentioned LMR. You're head would be on a steak with down votes.

That's how bad its gotten.

[–]mirage1e 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like you pulled those thoughts out of my brain. Exactly what I wanted to say

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For his own protection along with enthusiastic consent being promoted, the man may have to wait for the woman to initiate but the woman will continue to wait for the man. Stalemate and the women will get miserable.

[–]mirage1e 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya, it’s very rare for women to intimidate unless they are really a whore n just wants the D bad. I think I’ve only had like 2 women initiate out of all the ones I’ve been with lol

[–]dontbedenied 1 points1 points [recovered]

“He wouldn’t let her move away from him.”

This sounds like complete bullshit. I’m sure it was something more like “I wasn’t ready for my date with a celebrity to end” rather than “He was physically preventing me from leaving”.

Not that my opinion matters, I’m just a man, after all...

[–]reecewagner 122 points123 points  (46 children)

It must be admittedly intimidating having a 5'5" giggly Indian dude trying to hump your leg, I bet she didn't leave because she was paralyzed with fear

[–]ABrownLamp 95 points96 points  (0 children)

I'm so scared right now, let me suck his dick repeatedly to get him to stop.

[–]macrotechee 13 points14 points  (42 children)

Bro why you gotta bring race into this??

[–]reecewagner 107 points108 points  (2 children)

Because culturally white women are less intimidated by men of Asian heritage. Which just adds another layer of BS to her story. It wasn't a dig at Indian dudes.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah thats true, but its all because of racist media image and stereotyping, but youre right.

[–]OpiumDesVolkes84 4 points4 points [recovered]

A lot of Redpillers are white nationalists so they don’t like seeing brown men bed white women. However hypocritically they believe they should have all access to non-white women (Asian women specifically).

[–]1empatheticapathetic 111 points112 points  (30 children)

I'm Indian and it's always been a handicap dating wise. It's worth mentioning the same way his height was worth mentioning. This is the redpill, facts over feelings.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (12 children)

yep. Same here, im goodlooking and masculine, im not stereotypical though and most girls dont realize im indian/south asian even though im quite darkskinned. Most think im latino. I get a huge ammount of tinder matches but on many occassions when they have asked my ethnicity and I told them the truth they have stopped responding or their interest very noticeably dropped.

Just being ”indian” is associated with low status and unattractiveness when it comes to men, all due to racist misrepresentative media image in western media and hollywood.

[–]dontbedenied 1 points1 points [recovered]

Upvote for honesty. TRP is about reality, not bullshit white nationalist scaremongering.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Kindly fuck off.

[–]Solon64 87 points88 points  (7 children)

If i ever heard a feminist proclaim "don't you want to be a male ally!?" I'd laugh in her face.

No, I am not your ally. Your feminism has declared idealogical war on my entire gender, so, far from being your ally, I am your enemy.

When the Nazis invaded France, many French (not all of them) sided with them. The women slept with Nazi soldiers, the men willingly joined a puppet government under Vichy France.

I am not a (femi)nazi sympathizer, I am the Resistance, and I will continue to resist until you leave my gender alone, or you kill me.

Male ally. Pssh. Get out of here.

[–]RedPill115 14 points15 points  (1 child)

So far almost every single famous man I know of who publicly declared his support for the feminist narrative has been subsequently attacked and destroyed by feminists.

Louis C.K. did bit after bit pushing the feminist narrative - "the bigger danger to women is men" he claimed in his bits. He has a whole cringeworthy thing on youtube about how he's "a privileged white male" and no words can hurt him etc etc. The result: Feminists ate him alive.

Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/

There's more if I wanted to take the time to research it further. But it's nearing a 1-to-1 ratio that any man who publicly pushes the feminist narrative will be subsequently attacked and destroyed by those feminists when it suits them.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I respected De Gaulle for his principled opposition to Nazism despite the odds stacked against him at that time when America and Soviet Union were not in the picture yet. Though he is a dick himself.

[–]MarinTaranu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is pretty clear by now that the line in the sand has been crossed, the gauntlet has been thrown, and there can be nothing less than total war on feminism and their supporters.

[–]mrbluesdude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck yeah, well said.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respected De Gaulle for his principled opposition to Nazism despite the odds stacked against him at that time when America and Soviet Union were not in the picture yet. Though he is a dick himself.

[–]KnowBrainer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She's obviously just an idiot. I like Aziz exactly as much now as before.

[–]cuteman 13 points14 points  (4 children)

They have to call themselves allies if even 10% of their fans are part of the target demographic for this bullshit.

He is trying to save his career here, not make an ideological stand... Unfortunately for justice.

When your livelihood depends on positive public opinion you cannot necessarily afford to stay firm if you expect to work in the future.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rule 38 after all, think as you like, but behave as everyone else.

[–]wracky272 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's a fair point. I do think Aziz actually believes this stuff, but I'm sure his agent continually pushes him to play to the feminists. It's huge money.

[–]cuteman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sure someone told him as they have told everyone that it's best to apologize, get out in front of it and it'll be better for his career if he does.

Young dude. Cars. Houses. Assets. Paying for his parents.

Doubt he is ready for the gravy train to end when Jerry Seinfeld got another 30 years of fame and has done questionable things.

[–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we also have to remember this is her viewpoint, she is trying to make it seem as bad as possible so the reality was probably even tamer.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 149 points150 points  (13 children)

The Babe article is infuriating. All she had to do is tell Aziz NO! Or leave. Verbal and non-verbal cues? Just tell him you aren't interested and leave! These feminists are strong, independent women until sex is involved and then they turn into toddlers unable to say no. Amazing.

[–]NorthEasternNomad 46 points47 points  (8 children)

Or as others have said...maybe...not go home with him to begin with? I mean...you already felt rushed through dinner. Why the hell would you go home with him?

[–]mirage1e 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Haha you’d enjoy the story that went viral about a girl who went to a music festival topless (covered in glitter) and punched a guy who ran up and tried to cop a feel. The internet had their pitchforks out for his head but if you were the guy who said something like “maybe don’t go topless to a sexually charged, drug and alcohol induced party and it’d be less likely to happen” you would have your head chopped off next to the assailant’s.

Women don’t make any preventative measures or have any accountability anymore. They do whatever the fuck they want without thinking and expect no consequences.

What year is it again? 2018, well there’s at least 2018 years of solid evidence that when a man takes you home with him that he will be making a move.

[–]NorthEasternNomad 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I feel obligated to mention that the guy had no right to grope her and that's not something to condone. And I fully understand you are NOT condoning his actions.

On the other hand... yeah: gonna be lots of drunk, stoned young men, but sure...go topless. What could possibly go wrong?

Yep. Not a smart decision. He had no right to try and make her a victim. But she didn't have to make herself so vulnerable, either. I'm not condoning his actions...but she perhaps should also have considered her own safety when deciding where to walk around topless.

[–]thevirtualcorner 2 points3 points  (2 children)

To be fair, you can’t touch strippers in a strip clubs also

[–]mirage1e 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lmao of course not. Careful not to make the mistake of misconstruing the point. Not once did I say it’s allowed. I was saying don’t go topless and you’re less likely to be targeted, the world isn’t full of gentlemen.

[–]Tesrali 1 point2 points  (0 children)

likely to happen” you would have your head chopped off next to the assailant’s.

Women don’t make any preventative measures or have any accountability anymore. They do whatever the fuck they want without thinking and expect no consequences.

What year is it again? 2018, well there’s at least 2018 years of solid evidence that when a man takes you home with him that he will be making a move.

ya but there's decorum in a strip club At a rock concert you're crammed like sardines into a smelly shithole.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It is amazing how many women will deflect responsibility and say that it's up to men to change without women having to do anything. If it is brought up that it may not be wise to go to the man's apartment on the 1st date until you get to know him better, they will argue that men should not be rapists and need to change their ways. If I take a midnight walk through Central Park NYC and get mugged, people would question my sanity and ask me what was I thinking not taking proper precautions. Many women seem to argue that it is their God given right to walk anywhere at anytime and that men should ensure that they are allowed to do so.

[–]RedPill115 6 points7 points  (1 child)

As the article points out her phrasing strongly suggests this is nowhere near the first time she's gone home with a guy and found the results unsatisfying.

People have claimed here that being tall and popular is an easy in and you'll get laid all the time because all the woman want your attention - but I've said it doesn't really work like that.

For a girl to get the validation she's looking for from a semi-attractive guy, she usually has to sleep with him. Otherwise, what? She flirted with someone vaguely attractive and it didn't go anywhere? Not exciting. The sex itself has to be exciting or there's not much validation for her.

But with the tall attractive guy all the girls want, it's different. She can have sex with anyone, but only by turning down the attractive guy everyone knows does she get a level of validation both that he would sleep with her and a story she can openly tell to all her friends. If she sleeps with him she knows she's attractive. If he turns him down - she can tell everyone that she's attractive enough to get together with the top guy in the group, but without sounding like a slut when she tells her story over and over (because she didn't actually sleep with him).

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's part of it. And, not to mention, Aziz isn't really a catch. He's cute and funny. Surely not a Chad that could give her the tingles. Celebrity and wealth can put lipstick on pigs, but in their heart-of-hearts, the gals still want only Chads and Tyrones. I suspect she wanted to leach onto his celebrity without putting out. Much like gals say "I want a sugar daddy but I don't want to give any sugar."

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nope. Second wave feminists are strong women. I know some IRL, many who I know for a fact have put their money where their mouth is. I actually have some respect for feminists of that generation who have the cajones to tell men to FUCK RIGHT OFF if they don't want to do something.

Third wave feminists are infantile and scream about the "patriarchy", all the while demanding for society (ie, men) to defend their every whim at every step of the way and to take no personal responsibility for their actions. Seems somewhat... Oh what's the word... Paternalistic. Good grief.

[–]1Metalageddon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well... He asked, she said no. He called her a cab.

Nothing happened. She willingly sucked his dick, he didn't force it, he didn't stop her from leaving, he did nothing wrong except maybe not be a psychic.

Now he pays the price of actually associating with a common hoe.

[–]midgetpooooo 122 points123 points  (7 children)

She wasn't violated. She just felt violated. ~ 2018

[–]GunnarX 11 points12 points  (5 children)

The feelz are all that matter in this day and age. 2018 will be the year of the feelz.

[–]356dc 1 point2 points  (4 children)

This feelz meme is so fucking moronic. There is no good and evil without feelz. Happiness and suffering are made of feelz. Feelz are the only thing that matter in this life in fact.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 points1 points [recovered]

Facts matter. Truth matters.

The idea that a woman can decide six months or six years or six decades that suddenly she "feels" like she was raped, even though she wasn't, is pure Orwellian double-think straight out of "1984". And that's a dystopian hell.

[–]356dc 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You cannot define rape outside of someone subjective experience. We condemn rape as a society based on what women report it makes them feel. One person's singular perception can't change much, but if enough women get behind this idea they can redefine rape anytime they want. Society's based on conventions and agreed upon values.

[–]midgetpooooo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Rape: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

Was there consent of the victim? Yes. Was it unenthusiastic? Yes. Was it still consent? Yup. Were any laws broken? No.

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 168 points169 points  (2 children)

"Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don’t know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. They’re angry and temporarily powerful and last night they destroyed a man who didn’t deserve it."

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Naw there's a whole country full of young women who don't know how to pay for a cab... They figure cabs just come because they open their mouth and are ready to stick a dick in it.

[–]Canttakethewhyfromme 388 points389 points  (9 children)

“You men are all alike”. Yes, we are! How the fuck have women not figured it out? It’s pretty fucking easy to figure out. Great dinner, guy invites me back to his place...surely, this time it’s just to talk.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 137 points138 points  (1 child)

I just want to lose respect for him and feel ugly by not being pursued sexually. Is that so hard to ask???

[–]Rian_Stone 91 points92 points  (3 children)

Protip, she knew.

He was so bad at seducing her, and she actually felt awkward about it.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 42 points43 points  (1 child)

But bro he wrote a book on modern romance, called 'Modern Romance'. Imagine if someone could take him down from such a pedestal in that exact context and prove him wrong. That person would be powerful right??

[–]Rian_Stone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

they all do

everyone

I get your point, and lump this whole thing under 'don't eat paint'

[–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's not it she wanted to try and get him to commit to her but she'd already shown she was a groupie.

[–]peeng_newt 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Hey!... Maybe he really likes me

[–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Maybe he will hold out sex until he marries me. He is such a great guy!

[–]blue_27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Can I interest you in any Amway products?"

[–]InfamousMJ 130 points131 points  (15 children)

Excerpts of this are golden and speak to some truths.

Notice her strategy (in hindsight): "Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend."

Was Ansari reciprocating these intentions? Probably not: "He wasn’t interested. What she felt afterward—rejected yet another time, by yet another man—was regret."

Why regret? Because she's the gatekeeper of sex. He's the gatekeeper of the relationship. Her regret was that her sexual actions didn't get her what she wanted.

And what is the penalty now a days for such a crime? "Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing."

tldr: if she wants a relationship, give it to her (don't do it) or she'll publicly shame you and potentially ruin your career because you didn't give her what she wanted. Sex is a tool FBGM

[–]OracleofFl 90 points91 points  (7 children)

This! The issue was that she realize she was being plated and that the A-lister (or B+ lister) only wanted her sexually. Well what the hell did she expect? She approaches him and he brushes her off. He asses her as below him in SMV. However, at the end of the night when he had nothing else going and in the face of her constant attention, he gets her phone number.

Fast forward a few weeks he calls up to plate her, does a fast wine and dine and then she consents to going back to his place. What the fuck is she thinking? Is she thinking he wants her to go back to his place so they can plan their wedding or to make room in his closets for her to move in? She thinks there is a connection? By her own admission, he rushed her through dinner and rushed her home. Where are the boundaries she was (or should have been taught) by her parents?

Years and years ago, I went on a date with some chick I met through friends, took her back to her place and we made out (clothes stayed on). She wasn't letting me advance and I wasn't that into her so I left and didn't call her again. A few weeks later I hear through the grapevine that she is accusing me of trying to date rape her! WTF! My real crime? I didn't call her again. Aziz's real crime? He didn't call her again so she felt like the backup plate she was being interviewed for.

[–]chemicalprogrammer 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Where are the boundaries she was (or should have been taught) by her parents?

You touch on something important here. In the past decades a woman would have been taught to be savvy to these things. It's likely this girl was raised by modern liberal parents who encouraged her to go out there "be safe" and "have fun".

[–]OracleofFl 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Beta or absent father, more than likely.

[–]mirage1e 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Bro I feel you. I was on a date at the bar, this girl got sloshed. Like she kept ordering drinks, and she knew the owners wife so he kept bringing her plastic cups (yup cheap) quarter filled with patron as “shots” when I went to the bathroom while she was with her girls she had a mix drink, the little table that was clear had like 9 empty cups when I got back and she had a glass of wine in her hand lol later when she was on her way back from her trip to the bathroom she was talking to a random sketchy looking guy. End of the night: she puked up a storm, so much that I even slipped and fell in it. I waited 2 hours by her side babysitting her, walked her to my car and driver her home. The next day she came by my place, and I was expecting a thank you and/or maybe a “sorry for getting like that” silly me. Not only did she not acknowledge any of my good will, she says “well I thought I was drinking the same amount as you, but I was wasted and you weren’t....” hmmm needless to say: you couldn’t pay me to text her ever again, even her friend who set us up stopped being her friend after that.

You know what this behaviour from these women is low key teaching men: Hey if you’re going to do the time, you may as well commit the crime!

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

“well I thought I was drinking the same amount as you, but I was wasted and you weren’t....”

She just straight up low key accused you of drugging her. That's why I don't help visually drunk chicks at all. They will use the closest available guy to scapegoat their irresponsibility without an iota of thought for what that might do to your reputation.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, he did txt her the next day

[–]Tie5o11 17 points18 points  (5 children)

I think you are missing the forest from the tree's here. Aziz acted incredibly needy and had zero game- so she lost attraction. Clearly she had hopes going into the date- as does anyone from either gender who goes on any date, ever- but Aziz killed any attraction with his lack of game.

[–]Ultimate_Mindset 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Should that be a crime? To have no game? Who cares about bitches and how they want to be seduced, fuck that shit. Why would men have to learn ''game''??? What game? The one that women play with men? WHY does this game come naturally to women and not to men? Why is only 1% of men succesfull with women? Why would this whole thing with women even be a thing? Why dont we learn from young age openly about the nature of the whole ''game''? And all the fucking manipulation from both sides in the seduction, really reading red pill I learned Its all fake, men just want sex, women just want the validation.

The shit tests are a clear sign that we as men are not enough, not trusted, weak and not worthy for what we are and what we represent. Our standard of how we behave and the need to be accepted by society has to rise in order to be interesting to females. This means following trends, thinking like everyone else, not any room for originality, sad killing of what men aspire to achieve, loss of adventurnes, loss of true self, a man today has to be a robot, too angry and he is a lunatic, too sad and he is weak, no human look at things, everyone is replacable, emotion has to go, women are allowed to keep it and they are allowed to be sluts and to be nice girls at the same time, men are OBEYING the rules set by who?

[–]Azevse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This right here is the black pill boys, drink up

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How was he needy? He seemed quite aggressive.

[–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! she was annoyed when she realised she couldn't get him to relinquish his independence and commit to her. This whole thing was an attempt to get a high value man to commit to her and it didn't go that way. TRP is truly amazing, before I had this knowledge what would I have thought? probably think he was a bad guy. now you can see through the bullshit so easily.

[–]MacAndGzus 116 points117 points  (9 children)

This article and the whole hit job is incredibly disturbing. If this is all it takes to ruin a person’s career, then we’re all done.

Beyond disappointing that entire livelihoods are being destroyed for negligent reasons and instead of trying to empower someone to defend themselves appropriately if they are truly uncomfortable, we’re teaching them to cry assault and destroy a life instead.

If these actions continue to get promoted rather than an encouragement of the appropriate way to handle these situations (don’t go back to someone’s home, simply say no, use physical force if needed/if someone else using unwanted force on you), we’ll end up in a place that is very far off from an “equal” society and we’ll likely get to the point of destroying humanity as we currently know it/have known it since the beginning of history.

The same way women crave “affection”, men crave physical action. It’s built in to our DNA. To be chastised and have our lives ruined for it is disgraceful. This isn’t even guilty until proven innocent, this is guilty until sit down and shut up while we destroy your existence.

[–]ABrownLamp 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Idk man, I thibk mumbling, giving non verbal cues and sucking dick multiple times should be enough for any man to know you're not interested

[–]Heisenbread77 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I tell you, I knew right when she put her lips on my dick that she had no interest in me whatsoever.

[–]ABrownLamp 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I kept sucking harder and harder on his dick to let him know I wasn't comfortable with any of this. At one point I even started gagging on it as a verbal cue. Guh guh guh guh ahhhh. Then I spit on it angrily and looked up at him. I'm only gonna do that one more time before I leave I said to myself.

[–]Eckz89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

guilty by accusation.. It's the modern "witch hunt" methodology.

Farmer is annoying you? Accuse his wife of being a witch... that'll teach him.

[–]needaparka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This won't ruin his career. He's still funny, people will still watch him.

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (4 children)

Women are attracted to men with power, money, fame, success, more than men are attracted to women with the same attributes.

At this point, if a woman says she was sexually assaulted without hard evidence, I’m going to assume she merely regrets her decision to get naked for a rich blue pill until proven in court.

[–]Whiteout- 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Not to mention that she's not using her real identity. This could be literally anybody. Zero credibility.

[–]obama_loves_nsa 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Downvote brigades out in massive force

Damn we’re getting close to the hive on this one. The overlords will not be happy by our investigation

[–]Blackhawk2479 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The irony is that that is the exact fucking stance the legal system is supposed to take already, but the court of public opinion has usurped the notion of innocent until proven guilty.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 152 points153 points  (25 children)

The author of this piece is still firmly plugged in, but it's still an interesting read.

"In so many ways, compared with today’s young women, we were weak; we were being prepared for being wives and mothers, not occupants of the C-Suite. But as far as getting away from a man who was trying to pressure us into for sex we didn’t want; we were strong. "

These are the working definitions feminists have been using for a while now. Anything pleasing to men is "weak." It's not just strongly implied at this point, it's spelled out in plain english.

The clinical detail in which the story is told is intended not to validate her account as much as it is to hurt and humiliate Ansari. Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing.

The author didn't get this week's memo and accidentally starting pointing out cracks in the narrative. Good luck to her.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (4 children)

Removed the mis, makes more sense now:

...to punish every kind of male sexual conduct

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Thats ok even the Betas and Omegas are waking up and realizing rosy palm and her 5 sisters are easier to deal with than trying to slay the golden vag.

Just because you think you're alpha or whatever don't think that this shit can't happen to you too. You don't end up as a celebrity or hollywood producer or whatever because you're a beta pussy. Just saying. If some bitch is pissed you dumped her ass and got a hot new 18 year old piece of ass she might come at you with accusations like this too. I fully expect to see a whole lot more of these in the future and expect to ignore the shit out of them because truth is most of the women are sucking dick to get the fame to rub off on them.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They all about that famous dick aura... until it fades, then it’s time for some bitter revenge.

[–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I saw that purple haired new character in star wars and it was funny how much my brain instantly recognized her as the type of woman that's the current voice behind this.

She always thought that one day sex and relationship would happen, but it passed her by. Now she spends her time looking disapprovingly on people having sex, doing what she can to sabotage them. Misery loves company.

[–]reecewagner 48 points49 points  (2 children)

I actually thought it was a well-reasoned piece from the female perspective. Zero screeching, and admitting of the flaws in the female narrative - disappointment is enough to punish a man for, and she says the words loud and clear.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It is refreshing to hear a reasoned female argument that begins to approach the perspective that the current climate--and these accusations--are fucking bonkers.

I don't think she was hard enough on the anonymous girl-child, but she obviously disapproves of her behavior.

[–]PrancingPeach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree, this is an extremely unusual piece in that it seems to really have empathy for everyone involved and both sides of the debate while still daring to forcefully arrive at a conclusion that goes against her own screed.

[–]disposable_pants 26 points27 points  (15 children)

Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing.

This is the crux of the discussion I've seen from nearly everyone (whether they lean left or right) who talks about these stories in detail -- that all of these situations are not equal, and that we haven't yet figured out how to handle sexual misconduct that's not blatantly horrible. Forcing someone down and raping them is blatantly horrible. Drugging someone and raping them is blatantly horrible. Audibly jacking off while you're on the phone with a female colleague (one of the stories that came out about Louis CK)? Obviously unprofessional, obviously unpleasant, but far from blatantly horrible. That's the merely "disappointing" end of the "grotesque to the disappointing" scale the author mentions, and because this stuff is just now getting widespread public visibility we are just now figuring out how to parse the difference. Behavior that up until now was all thrown in a "sexual misconduct -- treat extremely seriously" box is now getting unpacked and sorted into more precisely labeled boxes that will get handled more appropriately.

The "me too" discussion will end up being a good thing, because it's going to force the question of "is an awkward sexual encounter actually sexual assault," and society as a whole will decide that it isn't. There's going to be pushback against women whose stories come out more to humiliate men than to expose serious misconduct, and the idea that not all accusations should be career enders will gain more traction -- the author of this article says as much. Already we're seeing the shift from "X celebrity is now the worst person ever hate hate hate HATE!" to "X celebrity was accused of Y and Z; how bad is this, and should he get the same treatment as Bill Cosby?".

[–]Fingercel 11 points12 points  (9 children)

There's going to be pushback against women whose stories come out more to humiliate men than to expose serious misconduct, and the idea that not all accusations should be career enders will gain more traction -- the author of this article says as much

I'm hoping - perhaps naively - that this will not be a career ender for Aziz. I don't believe he has as of yet lost any business opportunities or creative collaborators, and the Babe article seems to have encountered at least some pushback from mainstream sources.

I think some of Ansari's behavior was inappropriate, though it clearly does not meet any reasonable definition of sexual assault. I also agree with Flanagan that the article was framed as, essentially, revenge porn: his worst behavior was curiously de-emphasized in favor of invoking the reader's disgust reflex over "bad sex" more generally.

[–]disposable_pants 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I think Ansari will be ultimately fine, even if he has to take a year or two detour in his career. I even think Louis CK will eventually make it out the other end. When you have really talented people who have done things that are cringey, but not criminal, I think they'll be OK.

The losers will be men who've actually forced themselves on women (no problem there), men who've pressured women into sex with the threat of career stagnation (mostly no problem there, although we're starting to toe the waters of "did she eagerly sleep with a guy for a part in a movie?" territory), and men who are small enough fries that they'll be chucked out in the trash even if they only did Ansari-level stuff. The last group is the largest and the least well off, so it'll suck the most for them.

[–]Fingercel 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe, but but "small fries" aren't really being targeted in the #MeToo revelations. It could spread, I suppose, but I generally get the sense that the culture just doesn't really care enough about minor figures to make it worth the mob's while. Obscurity, in this case, confers a degree of security.

And that's because so far, at least - and notwithstanding some productive discussion that I have seen here and there - #MeToo has primarily been about the humiliation and destruction of the individual. At worst, this manifests as petty, personal revenge; at best, critics talk about "making an example" and "setting a precedent." Regardless, it is only major celebrities that are really suited to the role of this sort of ritual sacrifice.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Maybe, but but "small fries" aren't really being targeted in the #MeToo revelations

I think if a female coworker takes this exact story to HR in a complaint about a male employee it's significantly more likely to get the guy fired now than before "me too". Doesn't even have to be a coworker -- I can imagine a scenario where a woman posts some version of this on her ex's employer's page. Now think of how many Mattress Girls there are out there on college campuses, where individual students have no particular utility to the school and it's amazingly easy for a 50 year old dean to tell a 19 year old student he has to find another school.

No one wants to be holding the bag in this type of scenario if it blows up. You could already get fired for an accusation like this before; now there's just a higher risk of the story going viral if you aren't fired. It's not an epidemic, but it's 100% affecting more guys now than it did 2-3 years ago.

[–]Fingercel 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think if a female coworker takes this exact story to HR in a complaint about a male employee it's significantly more likely to get the guy fired now than before "me too".

Again, you certainly could be right - I'd be interested in seeing some data, though. (It seems to me significant that, for example, there have not to my knowledge been any major campus controversies to accompany the downfall of all these powerful men.) I'd stand by the hypothesis that the high-minded rhetoric of #MeToo (poorly) conceals a voyeuristic TMZ-style salaciousness and a culture of celebrity worship that are the real forces behind this movement.

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be interested in seeing some data, though.

Data would be great, but I have no idea where one would get it. To my knowledge companies aren't required to report "canned because of a sexual misconduct allegation" firings anywhere.

It seems to me significant that, for example, there have not to my knowledge been any major campus controversies to accompany the downfall of all these powerful men.

There were plenty -- a bunch of high-profile false accusations (the Duke Lacrosse case, Mattress Girl, Grant Neal, etc.) and plenty of real ones, too (Brock Turner). They just happened before the Hollywood thing blew up, not during it. That's a common path for ideas and culture; they get fleshed out in academia before spreading to the mainstream. Works the same with a lot of bands.

I'd stand by the hypothesis that the high-minded rhetoric of #MeToo (poorly) conceals a voyeuristic TMZ-style salaciousness and a culture of celebrity worship that are the real forces behind this movement.

That's a perfectly reasonable point; I just think you're underestimating how well those same forces work on even low levels. Some VP or manager getting fired over a questionable accusation produces the same sort of drama for people around the situation, and can produce the same result writ smaller.

[–]Snoopy_Doggy 1 points1 points [recovered]

When I first heard this story I thought to myself, no way this guy is capable of forcing a woman to do anything, and doesn't deserve this. But he's a willing accomplice to the metoo movement and one of its ardent supporters. If he got hoisted by his own petard that would make a good cautionary tale.

So I think it would be better if he got his show flushed and career ended, not because it's just for himself since he did nothing wrong that night, but because every day before and since he promoted the "woman are always to be believed and men are always liars" mantra.

So, let his career burn. Hopefully this will help de-cuckify some small segment of the population, some of whom might end up actually with good careers. Honestly watching the second season of his show was cringeworthy at times, he is so awkward and beta it's not even funny. I almost think he must have driven this woman to call what he did "sexual misconduct" (even though there is no such thing, since no one can agree on what that would even mean), because of her revulsion at having slept with such an inept and ultimately unsatisfying lay. I mean, of course he's bad in bed, he oozes femininity and subservience. There's no way an attractive woman would feel anything but shame afterwards (not saying he deserves false accusations).

Let his career die that others' may live.

[–]Fingercel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I've never watched Master of None and I'm not too familiar with his routine outside of Parks and Rec, in which I thought he was great.

I do think you can make the case that Ansari's own public persona has in effect turned on him. Would this all be playing out in the same way if he didn't present himself as a kind of casually enlightened quasi-feminist who literally wrote the book on modern romance? The answer may well be no. But again, that goes back to the fact that this is about humiliation - "look at this hypocritical fraud! he's so awkward and pushy and gross!" - more than the exposure of any genuinely immoral conduct. If you're getting some kind of pleasure out of his humilation, fine. But let's be honest about it.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm hoping - perhaps naively - that this will not be a career ender for Aziz.

Why? He's getting what he deserves.

Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/

[–]Fingercel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I don't know. His "feminism" is insipid and watered down to the point of meaninglessness, as is the case with most glib celebrity "feminists" these days. I have some empathy for media figures who see a cultural moment and feel obliged to ingratiate themselves to a certain degree.

[–]indeydius 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I hope this is where it all jumps the shark but I'm not convinced. We'll know soon if Master of None isn't canceled.

There have been dozens of men purged from entertainment now. I wonder whether they will join forces somehow.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Yeah they could do a Netflix comedy special called “Netflix & Chill”.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"Netflix & Chill & Get Falsely Accused"

Not the catchiest title, I know, but accurate.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Master of None is one of the more successful netflix shows, I don't think they'll cancel it over this. I think Aziz will have to spin this right and remain adamant that he did no wrong; as soon as you give an inch, they take a mile, and they will take everything from him if he lets them. If this snowballs into some big thing, then yeah he'll lose his show, but as long as he just keeps frame he'll be fine.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a step in the right direction. I'll taken second wave feminism over third wave tumblr feminist any day of the week.

[–]indeydius 68 points69 points  (6 children)

Rollo's Dangerous Times series has three installments. After Aziz, it needs another.

Over the weekend, I was rereading TRM and there's a part where he says that men have won the sexual revolution. We didn't. It was temporary and we're living the backlash now. Here's my reasoning. We make a big deal out of women wanting mainly provisioning in their later years. That's only a piece of it. They long for male frame and comfort. The alternative is an eternal sleep with their cats. Initially, no-fault divorce seemed like it was good for women. When trad fams started divorcing, men were the breadwinners. Women got freedom and money. Men got freedom too, except for having to pay alimony. The unheard cry was for commitment. Young women now realize that they will never get the commitment that they want and they're pissed. They see their divorced moms surrounded by cats and tranquilizers and they know what is waiting for them.

We are seeing their counter-punch. Women now reserve the right to completely destroy a man if they don't get the commitment that they want. We think about where all of this is headed and the theory we usually end at is complete culling of the betas. Another theory is that we are walking a long road back to lifelong mate pairing (after the wall of course) but it will be enforced by FI, not "patriarchy."

There's a powerful lesson here. The forces that shape society shape it in ways that have nothing to do with what people say. Watch what they do and you'll see that women today are acting as frail and powerless as they did decades ago. The sexual revolution was a blip. We're reverting to the mean. New Victorianism is the same as the old Victorianism because masculinity and femininity don't change.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ten minutes into 'The Meyerowitz Stories' on Netflix, Dustin Hoffman's character is shaming Adam Sandler's character to 'not take alimony' from a wealthy ex-wife after years of living as a stay-at-home dad. FI is relentless.

Another installment, as you describe, is the FI counterpunch to awakening men - matters of sex and money. How dare a man expect alimony? Ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

sorry but nope, women can never win this game, as ultimately they need men more than we need them, and men are vastly superior to women biologically. Feminism can never enforce anything without men doing the dirty work for women, and now that even feminist men are targeted by these false accusations of rape and sexual misconduct, the powerful beta men who used to support feminist causes will stop funding them, more men will go mgtow, less children will be born, women wont find any man to marry, and eventually the economy will collapse, after that when we approach something close to anarchy, Hard patriarchy will be enforced by men again, and women will shut up and do as they are told.

Of course, this is all unless we change the social narrative and laws first before it goes that far, and give men our authority back and acknowledge that women cannot handle equality. Either way, men win.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The key word is 'men' most men today are not men. They are emasculated subservient shells or never matured at all. Therefore women have an endless supply of drones to run society for them.

Masculinity is due up for a hard rebirth.

and give men our authority back

This could easily happen if men just wake up and take back the reins. I think that's what men thought they were doing when they voted for Trump. In reality they just voted for a confident man more concerned about his bank account than the future fabric of american society.

[–]viyacondios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you've hit the nail on the head: women reserve the right to completely destroy a man if they don't get the commitment they want.

This is how I'd play devil's advocate and hamster it like they would. A guy accepting sex without intending to (or indeed feeling forced to regardless of how the two people's dynamic grows) give commitment is being duplicitous. Analogous to how pulling a dine-and-dash at a restaurant is a crime; they're both examples of fraud.

While a generalization, we can say that men enjoy relating to women but feel loved through sex, whereas women enjoy sex but feel loved through being related to. Thus early dating is a form of back-and-forth kickstarting. A guy starts by asking the woman out to and paying for dates, and relating to her. The woman (still perhaps not 100% sure) sleeps with the man. And with two compatible people you have a positive feedback loop that can turn into an LTR.

Of course there are men and women who act within this expected narrative in bad faith. Women getting free dinner from men they'd never touch. Men dating and sleeping with baby-rabies women while omitting to mention their disinterest in an LTR.

Even if done in bad faith, I don't think these are examples of theft and sexual assault, respectively.

I suppose it comes down to whether we call something an expected narrative (or social more) versus calling it a covert contract (an agreement the other party never heard or agreed to). It's not a covert contract of the restaurant to think dine-and-dash is wrong; everyone knows it's wrong. But the hamster here is thinking that this too (the expectation of commitment after sex) isn't a covert contract but a social more.

My takeaway is that if you want a sperg-like contract to sign with the woman as a way to document consent, it should contain the usual stuff about consent to the sex acts, but it should also outline that engaging in this sex is (a) not indicative of any interest in commitment (either not at all, or not until one sees how the dynamic grows between the two people), and (b) not to be held or considered as a payment for any transactional expectation of the future.

Of course good luck getting a woman to sign that...

EDIT: Although fuck it, if I ever was back in the dating game, I would ask a woman to sign something like that. I'd frame it as (since I respect her so much) I would only want to proceed with sex if I had her ultimate indication of enthusiastic consent. If they didn't like it they could go home with blue ovaries.

[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. To shorten this if women are not forceable controlled by masculine constructions (religion, law, finance etc) for good or bad women will do it. There is not compromise, there is no truce. It's control or be controlled in the gender war and since modern society gives women more freedoms than they've ever had in the history of the world we are seeing this gynocentric dystopia play out before our eyes.

[–]chemicalprogrammer 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend. He wasn’t interested. What she felt afterward—rejected yet another time, by yet another man—was regret. And what she and the writer who told her story created was 3,000 words of revenge porn.

She wanted a rich celebrity boyfriend, when that didn't pan out she cried rape.

[–]RedPill115 9 points10 points  (1 child)

She wanted validation.

As the article pointed out her language suggests this wasn't the first time something like this happened to her by a long shot.

She's likely sexually a bit broken inside. She couldn't get the sexual feelings she wanted. Her brain doesn't respond to the "well I slept with someone famous so I'm cool" that a lot of girls get. He wasn't going to make her his girlfriend.

There was 1 avenue left for her to get validation - by doing what she did. She reaffirms that she's attractive enough to entice a famous guy she perceives as romantically important, and she gets to tell her whole friend group about it without sounding like a slut (well...sorta).

She's a bit sexually broken, doesn't know how to feel the feelings she wants to feel, so this was the closest she could get to sexual validation - a famous celebrity wanted her, and all her friends pay attention to her because of her story of "assualt" or whatever.

[–]chemicalprogrammer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The only thing that gets a woman more validation than sleeping with a celebrity is being assaulted by a celebrity.

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun 48 points49 points  (6 children)

At this point are you sure we shouldn't be going MGTOW? It seems there's no limit to the destruction women can cause in 2018.

[–]wolframheart90 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Mgtow will take over I think in a few years

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun 18 points19 points  (0 children)

All of the marvelous advice on this sub is null and void once retroactive regret rape becomes widely accepted

[–]DeltVeins 17 points18 points  (1 child)

keep in mind this isn't really the norm. If you're a celebrity yeh sure you should probably stick with escorts but for the everyday guy you're probably fine just plating.

IF HOWEVER this sorta thing gets more and more prevalent for the everyday guy, my personal strategy is to play their game and when it's time to move on you become everything women despise, blue pill it up. Eventually they'll drop you and you'll be free to move on. There's nothing for women to gain from outting a loser

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is legitimately good advice most of the time - become a needy, whiny, pushover and she'll handle the exit for you. What I fear most, though, is executing flawless game, getting the fuck close, and everyone "seems" happy. You even send confirmation texts afterward. Then you get hammered with a retroactive regret rape charge because her friends at brunch the next day are bored. Sure, you may win your court case with the texts but you'll lose everything else.

[–]Heisenbread77 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am legitimately scared of them in this regard. I guess one thing this has helped me with is I plan to be much more picky when I exit monk mode this time around.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 162 points163 points  (31 children)

This woman went out for dinner with him, and went back to his place. This in itself isn't any type of offer.

However, she did allow him to make out with her, apparently strip off her clothes and give her oral while she manually stimulated him and then declined to have sex with him. Her words weren't no, they were "slow down". Meaning if he hadn't been such a beta guy who was obviously massively overeager for sex she likely would have let him bang her.

Rule for men - learn proper seduction skills and how to deal with LMR. And don't be a chump who just tries to grab a condom ten minutes after you get her back to your place.

And yet another example of guilty in the public eye as soon as a woman decides that they didn't like what you did. Lesson there is to make sure that they do.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 150 points151 points  (24 children)

Absolutely true. Men, take notice, of Ansari's failure to escalate properly. It's all push push push, no pull. He is in a rush instead of taking his time. Goes right for the honeypot immediately, instead of working her up first. And in the end, he made the woman uncomfortable ... well no surprise.

If you are doing it right, she should be wanting for it as much as you. You have to build the tension. Two steps forward, one step back. Keep it fun and playful. Draw her in.

[–]wracky272 137 points138 points  (14 children)

What's poignantly hilarious, is that if women read what you've written, they'll see a "rape guide"-- when really this is just how you have sex with enthusiastic consent which is what all of this fuss is about anyway. Men are supposed to just "pick up the subtle cues". Turns out that can be difficult, and when we try to give each other help on it? "NOPE, that's RAPE culture".

The irony is insane.

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 94 points95 points  (6 children)

Per Heartiste: “The goal of feminism is to maximally liberate female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality”.

It’s not insane, it’s malicious.

[–]KarmaEnthusiast 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Jeez that really sums it up to a tee huh.

It actually makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Restrict male access to women in a more and more hypergamous setting, thereby increasing the % of "ideal" genes getting passed through to the next generation. Doesn't really work in practice but the theory makes sense (not that women have thought that far).

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Exactly. Toxic feminity = politicized hypergamy = feminism.

And all women have the ability to let the toxic elements of their personality run wild, and are encouraged to do so currently.

[–]nicolauz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean all those women with only Instagram id's on tinder would never date me?

[–]oZeplikeo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The West is so fucking doomed.

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Eh, I think the current status quo can’t last, so it won’t.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a secondary goal.

The primary goal of feminism is to control women. The goal is to push this kind of helplessness and romantic disfunction into women's brains so that they don't date, don't have sex, just work making someone else money and vote as they're told.

[–]APSTNDPhy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They think you are tricking them. But every guy who ever got it right, had to learn somehow. They just can't see the bigger picture.

[–]disposable_pants 24 points25 points  (5 children)

Men are supposed to just "pick up the subtle cues". Turns out that can be difficult, and when we try to give each other help on it? "NOPE, that's RAPE culture".

Women want a man who "just gets it." Who doesn't need advice, or a pointer here or there. "Real men" "just get it"; men who don't immediately grok all the nuances of sexual interactions are rejects and should be shunned.

[–]Docbear64 22 points23 points  (3 children)

The irony being we basically raise a generation of boys to treat women a way that does not garner sexual interest, have essentially scrapped the concept of "L Locker rooms" and male spaces which allow for open and honest male communication and notes exchanging , and then apparently they expect men to somehow " just get it " in adulthood.... or perhaps... maybe that's the biggest shit test of all .

If you can ignore what the vast majority of mainstream society says attracts women , ignore what women themselves state attracts women , and still be a man who doesn't succumb to those pressures maybe that is what shows you're worth fucking .

Maybe the men here are right and Feminism is one Massive large-scale shit test to see who gets to fuck and who doesn't . And there are plenty of men out there not fucking.

[–]kragshot 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well... when you have a society where a large number of young men that are not getting any sex, you are setting yourself up for a major upheaval.

It's coming... watch for it. The election was just another harbinger of what is coming.

[–]Docbear64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point but if these men can't even muster up the will to lift I have very little respect or appreciation that they will be the engine of upheaval by themselves. I do think such a group could be tremendously useful idiots though.

A modified version of Lenin's mantra of " Peace , Land , Bread" rephrased as something like " Love, Land , Bread" would be all the promises you need to offer such a group to get them to do your bidding. The near future will be interesting.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They can't picture themselves settling down and being happy with someone who was socially awkward and/or inexperienced in the past. The fantasy of locking down Chad is reliant on his vast, natural experience and self-learning. A man that had to ask other men for help is no true Chad, certainly not worth pursuing.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Although I'm willing to bet with his low level celebrity status this method has worked for him many times so he doesn't know any better. He's probably used to dealing with groupies who will fuck him right away even if they don't like him for status.

It only takes one woman to ruin your life.

[–]wracky272 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wonder how many people have read his "modern romance" book without a grain of salt. How unfortunate.

[–]no_face 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A celebrity like him probably doesnt need escalation expertise 99% of the time.

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying your advice is wrong but with margins this thin, is it responsible to let average day Joes think they can play with this kind of fire and win? Suppose I did exactly what you're advocating and pulled off a big win - successful fuck close, everyone "seems" happy. What is to prevent this girl from having her friends convince her it was actually assault and she should promptly ruin my career. It's all gone completely off the rails and the rules have changed.

[–]RedPill_Swinger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Except that this is only fun for women. I don't like that push and pull shit and I bet most men here don't. So even though you have a valid point that's not the best strategy for all the parties involved. In this current state of things equality will never be reached.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Irrelevant. Even if he had been PUA master blaster 2000, and hit all the high points in the kino escalation ladder, he’d still get hit with this horseshit. Aziz is extremely lucky he didn’t get it in.

[–]Lacklusterbeard 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've been struggling with this, can you point me to the proper side bar article that helps with this?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is not on the sidebar, it's from a post written on SoSuave back in 2002, but it describes the underlying issue here, and how you need to approach it. You are not trying to "win her over", but entice her desire. To make her "reach" for you. It's a subtle, but critical, difference. She needs to play her role in the game of seduction.

Deep Blue - Cultivate Feelings of Attraction and Desire

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, she gave him the classic not yet, which he interpretted wrong. Obviously it's a great injustice and all to live in a world where a fumbled sexual encounter means career implosion and potential jail time, but if your dick is literally in her mouth and you can't escalate to sex, you fucked up.

[–]meaningintragedy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At first I thought this was satire.

You pulled most this shit out of your ass. You don't know the details, and yet you blame him.

Even if he pulled a condom ten minutes after, he didn't sexually assault her. You're doing the all-men-are-pigs propaganda.

And yet another example of guilty in the public eye as soon as a woman decides that they didn't like what you did. Lesson there is to make sure that they do.

Typical case of putting pussy on a pedestal and pussy worshipping.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But going slower could be considered to be beta and unalpha. After all, doesn't an alpha just take what he wants? It's ridiculous to think that she would definitely not have made accusations if he just slowed down and succeeded in banging her. If anything, she would have been crying rape now if that had happened.

[–]rockmasterflex 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Step 2 on the escalation ladder should never be to shove your fingers in the chick's mouth.

I think MANY teenagers have better game than this guy.

[–]ktchong 13 points14 points  (1 child)

We should ignore all these "anonymous" woman accusers. If an accuser refuses to identify herself, then we should treat her allegation as unfounded.

The right of the accused to confront his accuser is a basic tenet of our legal system. It is also the Sixth Amendment in the US Constitution. Why are we allowing women to violate a basic legal right as guaranteed by the US Constitution when they make accusations against men?

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Social and main stream media has no problems printing unsubstantiated allegations, no proof, no due process and no constitutional rights are needed. I also ask myself why so many white knight men continue to support the feminist cause to their own detriment.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 24 points25 points  (0 children)

"Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don't know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember," Flanagan wrote. "They're angry and temporarily powerful and last night they destroyed a man who didn't deserve it."

Imagine that. Girl gets put into the slutzone when she was fishing for a relationship, freaks out, claims rape, and takes advantage of the current media climate to ruin a man's reputation.

But this literally never happens ...

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 1 points1 points [recovered]

"Grace" needs to be doxxed. It's not fair for her to ruin his career in a fit of "revenge porn" (as mentioned in the Atlantic article).

Like Louis C.K. before him, Aziz did nothing wrong at all. In fact, it could argued that Aziz is more innocent (as it were) than Louis in that this interaction wasn't with someone in his same industry (we assume - again, we don't know because of cowardly Grace).

And, wow, she hit on Aziz while she had a date at that event. Classy!

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This is definitely a job for weaponized autism. I wonder what’s going on over in /pol/

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Please don't call for doxxing of anybody. This is against reddit's TOS

[–]MGTOWManofMystery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right. My bad! It's just not fair that Aziz gets dragged through the mud and she gets to hide IMHO.

[–]Denihilist 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Stupid girl.

Yes, she is a GIRL, because she did not act like a grown intelligent "strong" woman that women always say they are.

FFS, she pursued HIM, from her own account, she acted like every other star-fucker we've ever heard of. No one can blame him for thinking that's want she wanted.

She went up to his place, let him go down on her, went down on him, and acts surprised when he starts trying to initiate sex?

Where was the "strong intelligent woman" feminists always talk about.

She said she felt uncomfortable, yet stayed. She said she wanted to slow down, and STAYED.

Where was the adult woman here who is responsible, and says, "NO."

Mumbling, coming back to the man for more, continuing the sexual activity was HER choice.

If she was uncomfortable, she should have left. What an immature idiot.

[–]blue_27 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I love how her name is changed for identity protection, but his is fair game. Including the street he lives on, and who else lives in his building.

[–]MarinTaranu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She claims to be a victim, and maybe that status should be determined in a court of law. Until then, it's just baseless accusations and nothing more.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 48 points49 points  (18 children)

I've always liked Aziz, but his standup took a turn for the worse (the feminist) when I saw him in 2015. Hopefully Aziz + Louie can at least make for a cautionary tale that prostrating yourself before women will not save you from a career-ending smear campaign.

[–]wracky272 31 points32 points  (0 children)

prostrating yourself before women will not save you from a career-ending smear campaign.

In fact, it makes you an even bigger target, because feminism is misandry and they're out to prove all men are evil-- even the ones you think you can trust. That's a more prize catch than a man that women already hate.

[–]scamper_22 1 points1 points [recovered]

the only comedian i seen to do even remote justice to this issue is chapelle in his latest netflix special.

theres something odd about chapelle in appearing genuinely concerned about issues. its like he says, we (men) want to help you, but this is s witchhunt and you cant be so weak: where's your personal responsibility.

not his funniest work, but it's good.

[–]IDisagreeHere 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Chappelle has reached levels of not- giving-a-fuck every man dreams of. He's gotten his money. He's demonstrated an ability and willingness to give up fame completely. He's smart and calculating.

And now he says literally whatever the fuck he wants. He makes fun of transgenders and they come after him? Dude literally comes out with a new special essentially saying "Not sorry. Here's some more transgender jokes. Get over it. " Hollywood sex assault witch hunt in full fervor? Chappelle calls out women for having buyers remorse. Of course he displays sympathy for these groups and their causes to some extent, but he's made it pretty clear he will not be cry-bullied into making some half assed public apology for something.

And what's crazy is that there are plenty of other celebrities that could do that. If Aziz has been smart, he's been bankrolling the enormous success he's had over the last 5 years. What if he just decided, "you know what? Fuck it all, I don't need it. " Publicly call out his accuser, cancel his own show, and go off the grid? He'd be a legend.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mark Wahlberg giving back the 1.5 million reshoot money and donating it to the TimesUp movement is another example of a man handing his balls over to the feminist movement. I hope others feel betrayed and aggravated by men like him.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 42 points43 points  (10 children)

His show glorifies the nice guy. It's like a how-to manual for weak men to bring a really bad showing to dates.

In the show, at every turn, he defers to women as his default position and then wonders why he doesn't get success.

In a way, it's realistic to assume he will continue failing, so maybe it's a cautionary tale. But I don't think he's that unplugged. I think he thinks his reward is yet to come.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Aziz isn't an idiot, he knows how to pander to the common denominator - which in this case is millennials who watch a lot of netflix, aka nice guy betas and hipster white chicks. He knows the character cannot be sexually powerful and successful because this audience doesn't want a show about a man like that.

They want something comfortable, and no one - including indian millennials - wants to see the short indian awkward guy actually being cocky and confident and taking leadership. His mannerisms and jumpy beta speak and fidgetyness and voice tone, it's all about creating this beta millennial "everyman".

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I've never watched Master of None. On Parks and Rec his character being a failed womanizer was great though.

Hopefully seeing women go from patting nice guys on the head to destroying them in a heartbeat might lead some other public figures to ask themselves "Why bother when they'll never be happy? I'll never be safe, so why should I live my life trying to please them?"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

might lead some other public figures to ask themselves "Why bother when they'll never be happy? I'll never be safe, so why should I live my life trying to please them?"

Don’t tease me like that. Oh god, what if there was a great red pill awakening. LOL that would also save Western civilization too. Hahahah.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 13 points14 points  (6 children)

People on this sub say "enjoy the decline" as if sleeping around with a bunch of easy women could possibly heal the heartache of watching America devolve further and further into degeneracy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Look, I get it ok. I don’t like it either but could somebody tell me what red pilled men should do instead? I’ve yet to see any answer to this (even a bad one).

[–]2insickness 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Part of where he went wrong was sending that apology text. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire.

[–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a direct cause and effect. Be a man, push the feminist narrative, get eaten alive by feminists the moment they're hungry.

Look at:
- Louis C.K.
- Al Franken
- Aziz Ansari

All of these guys have made a big show of pushing feminist narratives.

Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/

All of them - absolutely destroyed by the same feminists who's views they promoted.

[–]2CasaDeFranco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cautionary tale?

Louis straight up masturbated in front of female peers, the key part to note is it was unsolicited.

I wouldn't put Aziz in the same category.

[–]justincacy 41 points42 points  (2 children)

"I'm going to let you eat me out but if you ask for sex then you're way out of line"! SMH

[–]ingenjor 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of the only American girl I met. I didn't realize it at the time, because we still had sex, but afterwards she told me in messages that she usually just had the guys off Tinder eat her out with no reciprocation. That kinda boggled my mind.

[–]Work_In_Progress92 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If you ever needed more proof that the feminist movement is a movement of hate...

[–]Steve-2112 16 points17 points  (0 children)

What really rubbed me the wrong way about this entire story is "Grace" and her love of his marble countertops and it being the same building as Taylor Swift. This was 100% hypergamy she even got Aziz's number while she was on a date with another man.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Although the main issues here is consent and regret, I can't help but think that this situation could have gone differently if Aziz wasn't a beta. Aside from being rich/famous, Aziz is totally beta in appearance and personality. In this situation it's clear that this woman expected romance and courtship from Aziz, only to find out he wanted sex. She realizes she's about to give a beta a quick lay and cuts him off. And even worse blabs about like she's a victim.

Imagine this scenario, but instead of Aziz Ansari it's Jason Momoa. I'd bet good money that this girl would have fucked him all night long and gone home without a complaint.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yea ofcourse but the problem is there are alot of well meaning betas running around that help hold up society. Now women are skinning them alive instead of just not fucking them.

[–]kragshot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Except that back in the 60s and before, the social contract allowed men in general access to women in exchange for helping to build and maintain society. The contract has been broken; at first the beta men adapted and began learning how to adopt alpha traits. But men are being discouraged from learning and adopting alpha traits ("we want men to just know it, not to learn it). With no other recourse, we are about to see a revolution consisting of this large number of sexually disenfranchised men... and it is not going to be nice or pretty.

[–]Vanguarde2020 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Women are out to simply destroy men at this point. Sadly, unlike years ago we can’t simply throw them to the ground as in caveman times to let them know without a shadow of a doubt who the fuck is in charge.

We have to use our brains now to outsmart women and mentally throw them to the ground and win. Not just win, but humiliate and DESTROY them in the process.

They are doing no less to us. It’s war.

[–]MarinTaranu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that women are smarter, it's that some men like to play the part of the white knights.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (10 children)

I am so glad that this metoo movement push many liberals to conservatives side. We have been saying this from the beginning. Betas will never listen

[–]disposable_pants 31 points32 points  (3 children)

I am so glad that this metoo movement push many liberals to conservatives side.

Don't get your hopes up. Someone who agrees with the left on a wide variety of political questions isn't going to suddenly throw all that out because the social element of the party has gone too far. If they think companies should be taxed more, they're not going to suddenly think companies should be taxed less just because some comedian got smeared.

It's the same thing with Trump supporters on the right. They're starting to realize that he personally is ridiculous, but that doesn't mean they're suddenly going to push for higher taxes on companies. They believe all the same fundamental political stuff they believed beforehand, even if they're starting to reject some extreme versions of specific ideas that fall broadly under the same umbrella.

[–]wracky272 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'd like to add to this that a massive percentage of voters in the U.S. are single issue voters (and this isn't the issue for most). It's things like abortion, economic policy, healthcare, or senior entitlements.

This might have an impact on the millennial vote, though (presuming they actually show up in 2018/2020). Lots of the older millenials (the ones buying houses and SUVs and starting families) are so over this reactionary emotional bullshit that it would take an exceptional Democratic candidate to keep their vote (Not Biden, not Oprah ffs).

[–]InstigatingDrunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. I am tired of seeing so much time invested in social bullshit. Fix economic issues. ensure people have livable wages and the rest falls into place.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this times 1000. I consider myself a fiscal liberal but social moderate. Trumps fiscal policies and his belief on immigrants is something I will never stand behind. instead of #metoo we should make #eattherich a thing lmao.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I don’t know if I’ve ever considered myself liberal, but Ive always been a solid democrat. But I can NOT support this crap. It’s pathetic, and the fact that anyone can support this, let alone expect an apology from aziz, is very well beyond me. If the republicans can moderate on some issues, I will gladly switch parties.

[–]pisspoordecisions 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What’s fucked is he did apologize, immediately. She still smeared him.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish people would stop calling it the #metoo movement. That word seems to imply actually taking action for a cause.

[–]asiangirlsandfascism 26 points27 points  (5 children)

I get torn on stuff like this because on the one hand I fucking love the salty tears of Hollywood elites that spend their off time judging and reprimanding anyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aid but on the other hand alot of guys who didn't do a whole lot wrong are now probably ruined forever.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

It's gotta get worse before it gets better.

[–]asiangirlsandfascism 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah the pendulum always swings back but how much further can we go from being able to ruin people's lives based on someone's word? It's hard to have hope since the Me Too Moment is turning out to be more than just a moment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The pendulum doesn't always swing back. This is just something that people convince themselves of because they like to view the world in a certain orderly way. The pendulum could swing back or it could swing further into insanity, or there could be a temporary halt or small pushback before it begins again anew in 5 years. I see nothing in this particular case to indicate that any large scale swing-back is imminent.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]bcp854 1 points1 points [recovered]

As a female this shit drives me nuts! I take offense to grace’s manipulation of the situation and paints women as weak.

How dare these feminists cast the idea that “whoops, my decision making can’t be trusted so men, don’t take stock of what I say. I’m too weak or believe in accountability of my choices; that I have a voice, a mind to speak, and value of myself to walk away or at least defend myself.”

To me this is so childish... it’s like little kids playing a game and when they do something they don’t like it’s straight to “redo, redo, I didn’t mean to.”

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

women are weak though, but the issue is the double standard, women cannot handle equality yet we keep giving it to them and they keep abusing it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes this is the issue. A decent size percentage of the population, including women, seems to be waking up to the obvious fact that something has gone horribly wrong here. Unfortunately they will never make the connection that the problem IS women's empowerment and enfranchisement, and that this isn't some aberration that we need to fix, but rather the natural way women will behave when we give them power.

[–]Wolveryn 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Is there a guide for escaping the west permanently?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Still a fan of Aziz Ansari lol that girl sounds annoying af

[–]popcornready14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My biggest fear is being falsely accused of anything and then being labeled even before the truth came out.

Its a god damn witch hunt out there now.

[–]1Original_Dankster 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I don't really feel sorry for him at all. Another white knight who built a career on mocking masculinity and kissing feminist ass got bit by the monster he fed.

There should be no surprises in this tale for red pill men. Ansari reaps what he sowed. He's just another data point on the chart of societal decline.

Meh.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just like the Vichy French hoping to cozy up to the Nazis but got owned in Case Anton.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Aziz continues to support the movement that is out to destroy him, even after the allegation. He's hopeless but I hope at least some other white knights can use this as a cautionary story to knock them to their senses.

[–]1InscrutablePUA 8 points9 points  (2 children)

We're rapidly approaching the point where a man with any power, direct or indirect, will never be able to get bulletproof consent.

Of course women are not attracted to power-less men so you have a nice Catch-22 developing.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of this is driven by older women that are post-wall and guys aren't attracted to them any more. They're miserable, they want all the younger women to be miserable to.

For some of the younger women this seems like a minimum-effort way to force a man into staying in a relationship with her. If he goes to leave she can just threaten that if he leaves she'll make sexual accusations against him.

[–]fiat30 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The thing that makes me laugh the most is that he was the most snake-like left-wing pro-womyn brown dude on the media. Even someone so deep in the fox's den is not safe.

I wonder if he'll pass through these woods now that he's been burned. If you do, Aziz, welcome bruv! Read the sidebar, lift heavy, stay single.

[–]Thizzlebot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate aziz and think he's a virtue signaling bitch but its really not assault.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, they’d stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months.

This gives away the game right here.

All of this isn't about sex at all. It's a political weapon against heterosexual white males, and the left is trying to put the brakes on it the moment it starts showing signs of splash damage.

Along with blacks and Palestinians, the left has adopted sexual accusers as mascots, and, as with the previous two groups, the actual welfare of the mascots is beside the point.

No, the point is to remove collective political power from heterosexual white males.

Why?

Because heterosexual white males are libertarian, independent, and difficult to rule, and the left's agenda is the expansion of the state into every aspect of life.

Why?

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100%. It's all about power.

[–]Rian_Stone 7 points8 points  (5 children)

A theory, called "the unthinging"

it's called unthinging If you can look past this particular subject matter and apply it to this example.

great sex middling sex Awkward sexual event unwanted sexual advance sexual assault.
Acceptable Acceptable not acceptable not acceptable criminal
Chris Hemsworth that guy from the bar Aziz Creepy dude at work Harvey Weinstein

To

great sex middling sex Awkward sexual event unwanted sexual advance sexual assault.
Acceptable Acceptable not acceptable not acceptable criminal
Chris Hemsworth that guy from the bar #METOO #METOO #METOO

To

great sex middling sex sexual assault.
Acceptable not acceptable #METOO
Chris Hemsworth guy from the bar whoever I want

[–]kragshot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You forgot one last scenario:

Great sex: man that will respect me

Middling sex: man that will consider marrying me

Awkward sex: man that will at least buy me dinner first

Unwanted sexual advance: man that won't beat me

Sexual assault: criminal

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent. This should be a top post. I might have some time on Wednesday morning to do a SMV Ladder post.

And next year that bar guy is totally fucked. How long until sexual assault convictions plea deals involve direct payments (on installment plans with interest, of course) to the victims?

[–]bcp854 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I don’t think we are weak I think we are different from men and there isn’t anything wrong with that. As soon as women realize we are not the same as men the better off we will be.

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny how the male female brain is politically corrected to being equal despite 0 evidence, and everything pointing to the exact opposite. Look at our bodies, look at all the other creatures on earth. Male and females are different.

[–]doctorcoolpop 3 points4 points  (0 children)

she voluntarily gave him a blowjob and then complained about SUBSEQUENT requests

[–]IamJonSnow22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God bless Ashleigh Banfield. A TV host. Who basically slammed the accuser, and rightfully so.

[–]JcHgvr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As someone who grew up in a broke as fuck post communism country I never thought I'll look one day at USA and think.

Wow what a shitty place to live that is.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TIL that if a girl strips naked and lets you go down on her, she is not interested in you.

[–]rationalthought314 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a woman is actively blowing you doesn't mean she's giving consent - feminist "logic"

[–]Johndoesmith67 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Article calls him Muslim which he's not. This isn't going to ruin Aziz. Shes just as in the wrong. Also, if you are a man on the rise and have the means to fuck overseas prostitutes ABSOLUTELY do so at this point.

[–]darksyndicate17 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When I first joined this community I honestly thought everyone here was paranoid "Make her sign a contract" "be careful she could cry rape" etc. But after the waves of "metoo" across social media, I'm convinced there is a sophisticated underling feminist agenda at play.

[–]milevam 2 points2 points [recovered]

Read the The New York Times article posted several hours ago. As a woman I think it's a good take. This was not rape or sexual assault--and the woman who posted this account of her "bad date" is diminishing the positive effects of #metoo and also diminishing credibility of rape victims and sexual assault survivors. (Not to mention, attempting to tarnish the name and career of an actor through her anonymous recounting in which she literally is upset that he could not read her "non-verbal" cues.) As a woman, I don't need nor do I want my partner to continuously have to ask me if I am consenting. Unless I am incredibly intoxicated and become increasingly intoxicated to the point in which it would be obvious that I may be no longer "with it" (so to speak), it should generally be assumed that I am an adult and I assume my partner is as well, so continually having to ask for consent is absurd...

[–]bduxbellorum 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Aziz Ansari clearly made some stupid mistakes.

If a girl doesn’t tell you enthusiastically where to put your dick when asked:

  1. You have fucked up your escalation and timing.

  2. Correct course forward is to shut down, de-escalate, and make it clear that she just lost a chance at awesome sex. Give her a grace period to realize her fuckup and then call an uber. She can go fuck herself.

Yeah, it sucks that this is going to be a black mark on his career. But “Your professional life should in no way be tied with your personal life!” Is an obviously stupid statement.

People are going to know if you flub sexual encounters. Shit should flow both ways, but clearly reality now demands more awareness. I’d be happier to men calling out gold diggers, cheaters, and hypocrites exploiting female privilege , but that’s going to take time.

[–]Louis1709 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Umm have you heard of tagthesponser??

[–]bduxbellorum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good example, would be interesting to see tagthesponsor articles hit the mainstream.

[–]Rimefang 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can see why the female would feel humiliated. After all, she reported this ANONYMOUSLY, and Anzari isn't exactly Chad. What I don't get is that feminism teaches you to stand up for yourself, and yet, these women would rather act like we're supposed to be goddamn mind readers before they ever own up to a mistake for fear of being ridiculed by other women.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is amazing how many women will deflect responsibility and say that it's up to men to change without women having to do anything. If it is brought up that it may not be wise to go to the man's apartment on the 1st date until you get to know him better, they will argue that men should not be rapists and need to change their ways. If I take a midnight walk through Central Park NYC and get mugged, people would question my sanity and ask me what was I thinking not taking proper precautions. Many women seem to argue that it is their God given right to walk anywhere at anytime and that men should ensure that they are allowed to do so.

[–]whoismikejoneswho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't like him or his act but this whole thing really hits a nerve. Fuck that entitled brat. Ironic that she is doing as much damage to the #me2 movement as she is to Aziz Ansari.

[–]tolkienjr 1 points1 points [recovered]

She could have just as easily lied about giving consent and said that she said NO midway but Aziz forced her to continue. If the feminists are trying to label the current version as abuse, imagine what'd have happened if she changed it to actual assault. It's a fucking witch hunt.

[–]MarinTaranu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She would have had to file a criminal complaint, her name would be exposed (I think, assault is not rape, no anonymity), and any lawyer worth his salt would have eaten her alive (pardon the pun) on the stand. Instead, like the coward she is, she used the courtof public opinion to beg for some attention.

[–]reggie-hammond 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before anyone thinks this article is a breakthrough of some kind, just remember, the only reason you're getting to read it is because the author's first name is CAITLIN.

If it were written by someone named, let's say, Charles it would've never made it to print or it would've been vilified as a misogynist hit piece that defames and discounts women.

My point is simply, treating random stories and rumors of sexual assault and rape without any due process for all involved is potentially horrendous and life-destroying. Yet its okay to do if you're a woman.

Just like writing this article.

[–]mismm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fate of every feminist male is to have it eventually turned against them. Get fucked Ansari.

[–]GreenArrow085 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Maybe he’ll stop preaching feminist bs

[–]RestlessInVegas 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well that would require an ounce of common sense. He self identifies as a male feminist so common sense is clearly not his strong suit.

[–]GreenArrow085 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This could be his red pill moment

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It should be his red pill moment, yet the clown says that he will continue to support the movement. Keep supporting those who are out to destroy and/or control you is insane.

[–]RestlessInVegas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't appear so, at least not publicly. The idiot doubled down on his support of the metoo witch-hunt/movement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've actually been wondering what he is thinking right now? Did he have red pill moment? Or did he actually convince himself that he did something wrong?

[–]GreenArrow085 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol almost like Stockholm syndrome

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

From Anzari's Wikipedia page, with a reference:

He has self-identified as a feminist

It seems that 80% of the famous guys struck down in the last few months are the type of man that brag about how sympathetic they are to the plight of women. Curious how it's never a Rob Gronkowski or a Brock Lesnar who gets accused of this. I wonder why.

[–]Wade856 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I noticed that alot of these accused aren't exactly alpha males or "Chads". Seems like the women want to punish the guys that had money and power and used that to get sex from women who weren't attracted to them for anything else but money or as a career stepping stone.

But, the guys the women want, the hot guys that are known players because they just don't give a fuck seem to be immune to this meetoo movement. As you said, it's not Gronkowski, Blizerian, Brad Pitt or anyone on that level. It's guys like Azizi , Weinstein, Masterdon and others on that level. Guys who couldn't have a shot at women who are 8+ without having money & power. They are mad that they had to "lower" themselves to be their sexual plaything and are now punishing them for it.

I've said it before, before getting into any sexual situation with anyone not a gf or wife, take a video on your phone of the girl stating her name, date & time, that she is consenting to this sexual encounter of her own choice & volition. This way, if she tries to say at a later date that she was raped, sexually assaulted or anything like that, you can just pull up that video as proof that she gave consent. Just like you'd wear a condom for your protection, do this for your protection as well. Because we're seeing that men are losing their jobs, social standing, wealth and even having the possibility of going to prison based on nothing but an accusation. No evidence, no proof, no witnesses....just her word. No sex is worth that risk.

[–]Hjalmbere 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I'd feel sorry for the guy if he didn't call himself a feminist. Now I'm inclined to think he got his just desserts.

[–]KeithRSRedPill 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If this doesn't make him red pill aware, nothing will. Even after the allegation, he continues to show his support for the movement instead of having any concern for the falsely accused, which he claims to be by saying it was consensual.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To use a historical analogy: Trotsky continued to support the ideology of Communism long after Stalin had forced him into exile. These guys are extremists. Just as you shouldn’t feel pity for guys like Trotsky, you shouldn’t feel sorry for this douchebag.

[–]WTHub 1 point2 points  (1 child)

HLN Host Ashleigh Banfield Slams Aziz Ansari Accuser: "You Have Chipped Away at a Movement"

Amen to this woman...she called "Grace" on her false accusation/ "bad date"

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hln-host-ashleigh-banfield-slams-aziz-ansari-accuser-you-have-chipped-away-at-a-movement-1074877

[–]demzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She hit the nail right on the head and as many other have been sayings, it's almost turning out now to be a witch hunt.. smh

[–]Johnnyvile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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