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[–][deleted] 537 points538 points  (61 children)

This one will be fun to watch.

The below commentary from feminist Cordelia Fine strikes a chord:

His summary of the differences between the sexes, she says, was “more accurate and nuanced than what you sometimes find in the popular literature”. Some of Damore’s ideas, she adds, are “very familiar to me as part of my day-to-day research, and are not seen as especially controversial. So there was something quite extraordinary about someone losing their job for putting forward a view that is part of the scientific debate. And then to be so publicly shamed as well. I felt pretty sorry for him.”

[–][deleted] 204 points205 points  (53 children)

Great quote.

Acknowledging sex differences is empirical, not normative.... and I agree, he was relatively nuanced and careful.

[–]party_dragon 105 points106 points  (6 children)

Great feminist. These words were very hard to write.

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (3 children)

There was one other....what the fuck was her name, Sontag? Don't quote me on that part or the entirety of her work, but paraphrasing, she once said "Yeah, men are terrible until there is a natural disaster....then what are you going to do without them?"

[–]Sparrow8907 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Christina Hoff Summers is pretty cool, and Camille Paglia is downright amazing IMO, but some people are put off by her frenetic speaking style.

[–]paranoidinfidel 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah, men are terrible until there is a natural disaster....then what are you going to do without them

Maybe tomorrow...

[–]Gaddness 12 points13 points  (44 children)

Yes, but his rhetoric was all wrong for someone trying to convince people, although I admit he wrote it innocently and without the prior knowledge that he would have to convince anyone...

[–]1kick6 9 points10 points  (12 children)

It wasn’t rhetoric, though. He literally cited scientific consensus. Guys like that don’t think they need rhetoric because they have the truth on their side.

[–]Gaddness 2 points3 points  (11 children)

Oh I just mean it in the classical sense

“the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques”

Rather than the more common usage

“language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.”

[–]1kick6 5 points6 points  (4 children)

In the classic sense, he used dialectic, not rhetoric.

[–]Gaddness -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Depends how you want to view it, personally I’m referring (at least in my head) to the word choice, so for example saying “women are more open” rather than “women are more neurotic”, exploiting the fact that someone would prefer to have themselves described positively could be considered rhetoric.

He had 5 different traits to choose from that he could have used to illustrate his point, if he had chosen the ones which are views more positively by society he would have stood a better chance, although I’m not sure by how much...

[–]1kick6 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Look up the definition of dialectic. He had an opinion, and used establish science to corroborate said opinion. It’s classic dialectic.

He didn’t think he needed appeals to emotion (rhetoric), he had science. He was wrong, but that’s another topic entirely.

[–]Gaddness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I know what it is. We’re in agreement, I just said it differently. I even mentioned that he didn’t expect to have to use persuasive language, I don’t get why you’re trying to argue with me when we both clearly think the same thing.

[–]1kick6 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You’re taking about “his rhetoric.” He didn’t use rhetoric. That’s why we’re arguing.

It’s like talking about eating a steak with a knife and I say “well he used a fork” and your response is “yea...he ate a steak, we agree, why are you arguing?”

[–]destraht 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Its incredibly difficult to both learn how the world works in a way that gives you a competitive advantage over other people by applying a superior world view while also knowing the fleeting and whimsical limitations of the common people. It seems that to master both is a very particular skill set that is so particular that it could be called a career.

As an example, the other day I was speaking to my boob mom and I said that word "culture" and she was offended by it and she told me that I need to use another word. I asked her which word and she replied "I don't know, maybe 'way of life'". I said "isn't that the same thing?". So then when I got home I looked up the word "culture" and one of the definitions was "way of life". My point is that it is so fucking hard to just know which triggers have been programmed into the lay people and its quite arbitrary and pointless in itself. If I was speaking to a large group of trigger laden people then I would need to know about five hundred limitations in my audience, concepts which they simple cannot handle and words which they cannot hear and to instead use a synonym or an inarticulate paragraph to describe the same thing. I'd have to ask myself if its really worth it and if I actually care what the lay boobs think.

[–]Gaddness 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Aye, agreed, which is why I’m trying to have a decent understanding of most of these things, but also to learn how to articulate myself to different audiences. As You said though, kinda hard to account of idiocy...

[–]destraht 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Its something that you will need to stay on top of because the progressives like to constantly move the goal posts. They are told what to like, what to avoid and what to be offended by. It changes faster than New York and Paris fashion. They co-opt words and concepts, prohibit their use and all sorts of foulness. I think that once you can really get inside of several of their cycles then you'll have an idea of where they are going with it on the next cycle and when they are reusing some elements from a past one. You'll need to read some retarded magazines and watch some retarded shows. You won't need to spend a huge number of hours doing it though in any moment because they hit like a hammer with the subtlety of a retarded fat kid for a dumbed and numbed down audience. So when you get it, you'll get it and then you can move on, but you'll never be able to just ignore them forever because then you won't know how people are supposed to think at any given moment and so you will therefore not know how to route around their damage.

[–]Gaddness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ahah ahaha, aye, I mean you can study the concepts that govern the behaviour: the ideology. But while in a situation like James was, and I think what happened was no fault of his own. There is little to no defence, you can tailor it to be a more positive description, that’s about it (he chiefly chose negative words to describe women, wether changing that would have as big an impact as I first thought when I made that comment? I don’t know)

But then again that’s why I like to stick to conversations in person, ask questions, if you know the ideology well enough you know what order to ask the questions in order I show them the illogical nature of their own statements. That’s how I do it usually, one person at a time, not exactly fast moving, but it’s better than nothing in my opinion. That and I wrote blogs that barely anyone sees 😂

[–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well us knowing that there is a thing alone puts us in a higher intellectual position than most people out there. Then it just comes down to how much do you want to participate in working within it. I've decided that I don't value the lay boobs much and that is just my personal valuation and that never has little do with logic, its just a feeling. Sure there is money, fame and even possible larger change by interacting in that realm. Its just a person needs to first care and second have the skills to navigate it.

[–]anonlymouse 9 points10 points  (11 children)

Yes, but his rhetoric was all wrong for someone trying to convince people

There is no rhetoric to convince the people who wouldn't be convinced. He didn't do anything in his presentation, and nobody should be getting the idea that we just have to present the ideas differently.

[–]Gaddness 1 point2 points  (10 children)

How do you know this? I’ve convinced many people that James was right. Even ardent feminists. But that’s down to the power of asking questions to these people “why do you oppose me?” There is a small minority of people who won’t be convinced, but they don’t matter, if you can market yourself to the masses and make it sound positive, you can usually convince people.

If you start off with the positives you can drag in the negative side later and they’ll be more likely to accept it.

Hitler managed to convince most of Germany killing the Jews was a great idea, you don’t think he had great rhetorical skill to do that? Or were the German population already poised to kill them but all they needed was one word and they would do it?

[–]anonlymouse 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Or were the German population already poised to kill them but all they needed was one word and they would do it?

This. Anti-semitism has been a thing for a long time. I mean read the old testament, even according to themselves they were huge dicks.

[–]DickZinnendorf 1 points1 points [recovered]

The question is why was antisemitism so popular. Was it because Hitler made it popular? Or was it because Weimar Republic Germany had been bankrupted?

[–]anonlymouse 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Look at what Jews are doing now. Any time you have someone saying "fellow white people" followed by how horrible whites are, it's always a Jew. I have no idea if Hitler was right about the Jews having sabotaged Germany in WW1, but a certain influential segment of Jews today are trying to do that to us now. They seem real good at making people not like them. If it were just the Nazis who hated them you could say something about rhetoric, or it being misplaced anger over the depression, but when wherever you go you find people hating Jews, you start to wonder what the common denominator is.

[–]DickZinnendorf 1 points1 points [recovered]

I agree completely. Did you know that the artist Edgar Degas was an antisemite? Add to that list Max Regis, Arnold Leese, Charles Coughlin, the list goes on and on.

Jews believe they are the chosen race. Chosen by whom? By God?

No race is chosen.

They have committed horrible crimes. That is why antisemitism became popular. The people started to see the crimes that the Jews committed.

[–]AnjaJutta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just look at what is happening today. It just took them 50 years to turn from victim back to aggressor.

[–]Gaddness 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Antisemitism was rife yes, but there’s a huge difference between the dislike of the Jews and the increase of violence toward them and the eventual slaughter that took place under Hitler. I’d wager without him they would simply have continued to have been “a bit annoyed” with the Jews rather than actively murdering them.

So I guess my point comes back, given that the average German is likely a good representative of your average American in terms of his ability to be influenced, surely you could convince a feminist that maybe they haven’t got absolutely everything right in their theory.

The issue is that it also requires a lot of knowledge of their philosophies and circulating rhetoric. I mean you can easily prove to them via their own logic that calling all white people racist inherently is racist, if you can get them to agree to redefine what they believe racist means.

[–]anonlymouse 12 points13 points  (3 children)

He didn't convince them to hate Jews. He got support because he voiced their hatred of Jews. He was preaching to the choir. Hitler couldn't have convinced anyone in Germany not to hate Jews.

[–]Gaddness -1 points0 points  (2 children)

No but he convinced them that your average citizen was entitled to assault and kill them, most people wouldn’t dare even think of striking another person.

I do think Someone could have convinced them not to, not that I can prove that, but it would need a different scapegoat for the shame and humiliation they felt in their poverty. Probably not the best allegory for me to have chosen lol

[–]anonlymouse 7 points8 points  (1 child)

most people wouldn’t dare even think of striking another person.

I think you might be a bit confused about cultural norms nearly a century ago. Hitting someone was completely normal then.

but it would need a different scapegoat for the shame and humiliation they felt in their poverty.

Why find a scapegoat to take the heat of someone who probably deserves the hate they get?

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (16 children)

More specifically, he was writing for a Red Pilled (for lack of a better term) crowd. This was not written for general audiences.

I like that part.

[–]Gaddness 15 points16 points  (15 children)

Agreed, it’s part of the reason though that I think people should learn rhetoric, just a couple of tweaks would have made it more compatible for both audiences. Like if he hadn’t use the word neurotic and used openness instead (as women are more open usually) he would have stood a better chance (I wrote longer post than this on it though)

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (14 children)

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I'm an immense fan of Jordan Peterson these days. His language is superior in the general public than ours, although less succinct.

I have a plate who just got a PhD in social work, on the bleeding edge of postmodernism, who is taking a break from Peterson....because her mind is so fucking blown right now.

And personally, I'm a life long atheist and Peterson's lectures on the Bible are amazing. I've not moved a single step (the Bible is wrong in line 2) but the insights into human nature are not to be ignored.

[–]Karmelion 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It doesn’t have to be correct to be true.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf didn’t happen but it is true.

[–]1564001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. There are multiple kinds of truth. Anyone who says they listened to Peterson and failed to grasp this missed a major point.

[–]Gaddness 13 points14 points  (10 children)

Aye, I think the weirdest thing is, my gf now watches his stuff and has started to agree with me on stuff I say.

Oh totally, I much prefer his view on religion to sam Harris who wants to throw it away entirely, the bible, like any mythology is one of the best ways of understanding the minds of the past

Have You heard of Camille Paglia and Gad Saad?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Paglia....yep.

I think there's a language and mindset that transcend some of the worst of the sex wars. I mean.....on some level, let's call it what it is. It's a battle. Human males can impregnate a women each day for most of the rest of his life. Human females can breed, at most, about 20 times (the record, though, is 60). There is bound to be tension and people working at cross purposes.

That said, look at project finance. A developer and a lender are adversarial by nature, but also learn to cooperate in order for each to maximize their own returns (or minimize risk, same thing).

Now.....no doubt, divorce rape is a thing, and there are other places where I will rail against feminism, but not feminism as such, rather feminism as a zero sum game (which, sadly, is how it's usually played).

At 45 with no kids.....I really feel for guys who have to balance all of this. For me, it's easy. Send out 3 texts....."Dinner tonight?" First one wins.

[–]spareaccount2 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Aye, it’s a complicated one, I mean you have the usual “patriarchy” claims, yes the world of politics has been ruled by men, but so vocal sphere was matriarchal. Both systems gynocentric.

Unfortunately most decisions made are still gynocentric, the frustrating thing is it’s not two ways, men are gyonocentric and so are women, so there’s no way it will work out well for men in that debate, men will always lose out.

I’ve been increasingly interested in a guy called J D Unwin though who claims that the emancipation of women always leads to the decline of a society, he claims once it starts it never stops, while I don’t want to agree with what he says, I’m still going to read his book.

Haha, yeah sounds like the perfect life man.

[–]destraht 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It will be a woman's world as long as there are not dangerous and lucrative frontiers to explore. We send crazy amounts of men off to foreign outposts and war and they don't even get to bring home loot. We can make business but then be taken down by a poorly crafted sentence. That is not an environment where men are going to thrive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

men are gyonocentric

I plated an ex. I was straight up, I have other girls in my life, I have a policy of never sleeping with the same woman more than one night in a row. I never give her more than about 3 hour's notice.

And she loves it. It's just amazing to me. I take what I want, when I want it, and she just gives it up. To be sure, she might stop responding, which is fine....I have options.

This is the Golden Age of the Alpha Male.

Lift like your life depends on it.

But even in the Bloopie world, women love men who know what they want and go after it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He wasn't trying to convince people. It got leaked

[–]Gaddness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read my comment properly

[–]magikmausi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm reminded of the movie Mad Max: Fury Road

Some people say it is feminist because of all the women

Others say it is meninist because the women need the help of a man, Max, to win

I say it is realist, because in real life, you need both men and women working together to create something

[–]Atavisionary 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You should watch this youtube interview review of Cordelia Fine's BS book by Red Ice. Her only contribution to understanding gender differences is the beating of straw men. However, she is fairer than most leftists. Not a high bar to jump though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcUBTsENEa0

[–]pibcola 7 points8 points  (0 children)

G Cochran demolished her book in March 2017. Always a delight: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/old-t-rex/

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 319 points320 points  (17 children)

The full lawsuit can be read here: https://www.scribd.com/document/368692388/James-Damore-Lawsuit

Interesting to skim thru. In it you will see excerpts and screenshots from internal Google communications as well as official HR policies from their employee handbooks and what not. Some of it is downright shocking. For instance, Google gave employees monetary bonuses for publicly disagreeing with and disparaging Damore. HR also defended employees posting blatant anti-white anti-male messages on internal forum boards. Curious times we live in ...

[–]Mukato 99 points100 points  (6 children)

holy shit! that's incredibly damning.

[–]RedwSmoke 12 points12 points [recovered]

dollars to doughnuts google settles out of court to make it all go away

[–]Dhrakyn 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Dunno, they're a special kind of special. You know, the kind of special special that thinks they can get away with it because they're special.

[–]ohyeawellyousuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the same thing when it came to a bunch of the referenced material, though some of it seemed vague and potentially inadmissible. I think there is a ton of information there that should hold up and he should win, but it really depends on how effectively the defense can call for some of the material to be thrown out based on relevance and inference.

I will probably follow the story as I'm interested to see what sticks.

[–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 12 points12 points [recovered]

It is great that he partnered up with Prager University to bring publicity to this case, as Prager University has also been attacked by Google for not being communists. It is going to be so fun to see all these left-wing loonies try to come out in court and pretend that they think it is OK to male or white, I wonder how many people will actually double down and blame the lawsuit on the patriarchy.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 70 points71 points  (19 children)

This twitter thread has a good summary of the shenanigans going on at google.

I'm curious if any TRPers have experience with them? I'm in IT myself, but the biggest company I worked at was GE and it was nothing even remotely like this.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 43 points44 points  (1 child)

A few years back, they were recruiting me hard. I turned them down.

I have several friends from my grad school days who work at Google. I've heard mixed reviews. It was kind of a cool place to get a job 10-12 years ago, when it was a fun innovative place. Think things have changed. Lot more internal politics, more bureaucracy.

[–]youkickmyd0g 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same. Never even accepted an interview. All my old buddies are Googlers now, and I'm not invited to their parties anymore. That's okay. I'm an underdog guy, Google stopped being the underdog around the time of Gmail in my eyes

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That Twitter is fucking gold, thanks for the link. Diversity at Google, indeed

[–]internet_badass_here 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh God... the "polygamist" cuck one... These men are disgraces.

[–]mindlar 17 points18 points  (2 children)

It's been about a year and a half since I worked there. It is just as hostile as it sounds and I can only imagine that it has ramped up post-Trump. It really is coming from the top down.

Comments that I remember hearing from high level execs (head of HR, founders, etc.) in front of the entire company were things like:

We love Austin but would never start an engineering office there because it's surrounded by Texas.

Make life miserable for people that don't agree with LGBT so that they quit. (This one was walked back by the same exec a week later).

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Comments that I remember hearing

Consider contacting the law firm handling the suit and offering to go on-record. Every little bit helps. All that you really need to give them are dates so that they can look for specific things during discovery. If you can nail down the exact date that exec said that, then the lawyers can demand all the complaints submitted to HR around that date, or all the emails sent to that exec around that date.

[–]suaressi 28 points29 points  (0 children)

holy shit, its like tumblr in real life. what cancer.

[–]beginner_ 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My next phone won't be Android based. thats for sure. Bu i doubt Apple is any better...

But this stuff reads like it's from a foreign planet and pure fiction. It can't be? People discussing at work with their real name that their wife is getting banged right now at home? my brain just had a segfault...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sooner Samsung implements it's own OS the better. I mean they're features are always way ahead of stock Android anyway.

[–]goldenhourlivin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ I cringed so hard I think I’m paralyzed.

[–]magikmausi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My brother leads a project team at HomeDepot's IT department

He's a single alcoholic asshole who chases tail at 44 years of age and has no bad things to say about his workplace

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Whoa holy fuck...im not even white and i think this shit is fucking insaneeee

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of my subordinates worked there...a macbook chai latte white girl type...she said she hated it and the people are all pretentious as hell..

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder how high this hatred of white men goes at google? Were these beliefs Page/Brin had from the beginning?

[–]2comment 43 points44 points  (8 children)

This is tertiary, but as a general warning for the future to all of you: you'll probably want to reduce your dependence on Google and other services like it in general, regardless of this incident and how it plays out. Google is more powerful than Facebook, having your search history and in many cases email all while FB merely has likes along with chats. Make sure you opt of of any history google keeps but be aware that these optouts are based on a honor system you can't verify (corporations have no honor) and know all their connected services like Youtube, Drive, gmail, etcetera.

Google is vastly more powerful than the FBI ever was and don't think for a second it will never be abused, if not already.

The point isn't to shift all of that over to another, equally corruptible solution or provider, but to spread out so no one source will ever have all your data on their database and to reduce your digital footprint accordingly. What isn't controversial today may become so tomorrow.

There are general guidelines, such as to provide fake personal information to the service at every opportunity, to not search what you don't need to search for (ie searching an oft-visited page for access instead of memorizing or bookmarking it), searching your name from your most used computer instead of some console somewhere -- which can be used later to track the rest of your search history, etcetera.

There are gonna be a lot of tech solutions on how to browse online anonymously, but tech only goes so far and depends on no slip-ups which is hard to maintain, usually the best solution is nontechnical: put as little info you want the public to know out there to begin with and remember merely typing into a search box is putting stuff out there, if not typing into your own computer or phone. Such are the times we live in.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 15 points16 points  (0 children)

All of those have been wet dreams come true for intelligence services and are in fact integrated with them now.

As you say, unless you stop using connected computers completely then rest assured you are being tracked and watched. The same even goes for your phone and phone messages.

The best way to avoid future problems is...not to do anything you shouldn't online. Ever.

[–]666Evo 10 points11 points  (1 child)

don't think for a second it will never be abused, if not already.

They already lock Google Drive files that "breach terms of service".

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

FB merely has likes along with chats

Don't underestimate Facebook. They sit on piles of user data similar to Google. Even if you never use its Services (Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram ...), they can still track your activity across almost all websites thanks to Facebook Pixel and other Analytics.

Otherwise, valid points

[–]MrInternetDetective 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is there anyway to block those sort of analytical trackers?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are Chrome/Firefox plugins, such as Ghostery, Disconnect, and PrivacyBadger (I highly recommend the latter two), that can block trackers (and in the process, decrease loading times).

If you don't mind a browser switch, I'd recommend the Brave browser, which has all that built in.

Plugins such as NoScript go even further, but are barely practical as they break some websites.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

read this as "cats" which is also true

[–]beginner_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make sure you opt of of any history google keeps but be aware that these optouts are based on a honor system you can't verify (corporations have no honor) and know all their connected services like Youtube, Drive, gmail, etcetera.

For Google see their own help site how to remove history and stop tracking it.

Still it's questionable you want to trust them on this. So start using duckduckgo. Because we can bet that Google is and will start to filter unwanted content, like TRP.

Also disable location tracking on your phone. And maybe it might even be a good idea to switch between android and apple for every other phone so no party has the full picture.

[–]BallsMahonie 76 points77 points  (16 children)

I imagine Google will settle this out of court. The inferno it would fuel if they stuck to their guns would be quite a spectacle.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 82 points83 points  (11 children)

He doesn't have much to lose, but he has a lot to gain if he decides not to settle.

Though I'm not sure what the rules are in a class action suit.

[–]BallsMahonie 57 points58 points  (7 children)

Honestly, I'd love to see this play out all the way to the end. I think if it gets far enough through the court system, it could set a real precedence for companies in the future. Assuming any sort of judgment or ruling is fair.

[–]reckful994 26 points27 points  (6 children)

I practice in that Court. I really think his first big mistake was hiring an SF attorney- they "hometown" out of town attorneys so hard its ridiculous. Unfortunately, as all the actions in question occurred in Santa Clara County, hard to imagine getting jurisdiction or venue anywhere else.

If you want to follow the case, you can access the docket online.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Does it really matter?

I'm mostly looking for a social awareness of Damore being essentially right.

[–]reckful994 29 points30 points  (3 children)

It really matters. I've only worked 4 cases down there as I generally practice in SF and Alameda.

Even though I've prevailed, the judiciary and clerks at the filing window have been nothing short of hostile. I've had to send messengers to court several times because papers I intended to file were improperly rejected. The judges only ruled for me because I came strictly within the statute and existing case law- I wouldn't dare bring something like this in that County.

Finally, if not most importantly (and I know this will be hard to believe), that Court is BROKE. Hearings are scheduled months out due to a backlog- the clerks office closes at 12 on Fridays because they can't afford to keep it open all day.

God I could go on. Point is that it does matter. Cases are won and lost in questions of jurisdiction and venue.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Thanks for the great points.

This sounds like a strategic blunder, but I guess he couldn't have filed elsewhere.

[–]reckful994 11 points12 points  (1 child)

He should have hired a local law firm. That was the critical mistake.

Google will. Google's general counsel will figure out exactly which attorneys in Santa Clara do well in front of the judge that's assigned. Then they will hire that law firm for whatever the hell those attorneys ask per hour. 700? 1000? No problem.

And this dude will likely get reamed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heard it here first.

Damn.

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liberal outlets either won't report it or will distort it so the left never realizes what's going on. I've seen this before, I know people on the left and they don't even know what the real story is half the time. And a lot of them are so indoctrinated that even if they did know they'd side with google.

[–]BELIEVEINGODJohn812 3 points4 points  (0 children)

James Damore is a fucking legend brahs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This was my first question: what are the statues and trends in prior “white male” cases, if any?

[–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure about statues but the renaissance painters made some pretty good religious paintings in which they depicted God as the white male that, deep down, even the most fanatical SJWs know he is.

[–]MaunoBrau 3 points3 points [recovered]

The classes are (a) anyone with a conservative viewpoint employed by Google in the last 4 years, (b) any male employed in the last year, (c) any Caucasian employed by Google in the last year.

I have been a plaintiff in a class action lawsuit against a former employer for owing wages. (The owners immediately opened another company doing the same business).

From this experience, I will tell you how the rules of a class action lawsuit play out. Once the case is settled in favor of the plaintiff, each member of the class can, at that point, decide to opt-in or opt-out (the judge will decide which is default). If you decide to opt-in, then you will take your share of the settlement and you waive further action against Google for this issue. If you decide to opt-out, then you are free to litigate the issue for yourself specifically, and you can use the results of this lawsuit as a precedent.

So, if a judge certifies the one or more of these classes, then Google is in a precarious position. If they wish to settle, then they will need to offer a settlement large enough that all white people, all males, and all conservatives will opt-in. If they offer too little in the settlement, then there is less to go around and the individual incentive for each person to get their own lawyer goes up.

Note that the class includes people a large number of people that are currently employed. If Google has any other bad PR from firing someone in the meantime, this will only strengthen this case, so I predict a "chilling effect" of sorts inside Google, and this is a good thing.

[–]BallsMahonie 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This really explains it perfectly. Thanks for this.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That would suck.

How to best put this.... if some pigs sparked a national debate on sex, fine, let's play this out. We could always do better, men and women both.

It would be nice to get some fucking credit. The United States has created, what, $96 trillion in wealth since the founding? That's value add, bitches, not patriarchy. You're welcome for the best standard of living in history.

[–]deville05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SJWs don't have guns and don't have the glue. They only care about profit

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 74 points75 points  (10 children)

Does Damore have someone bankrolling him? Google has the legal firepower to pull all kinds of dirty tricks to keep this thing tied up for years. Maybe Peter Thiel and the rest of the annoyed conservatives in the valley will help him out.

Edit: Just a thought - Thiel as a silent partner? Maybe he's fed up with all the sjw takeover of the valley?

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

it's a class action. the firm is probably on contingency.

i wouldn't be surprised if Thiel is bankrolling though... this reality denial bullshit is bad for VC... virtue signalling makes lefties feel good, but doesn't actually make money. anything other than "can you build a product that becomes a company" is completely irrelevant to hiring.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child)

virtue signalling makes lefties feel good

I work in renewable energy finance.

Yeah, you're right.

[–]afkb39sdfb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would love to see a post about this.

[–]saint_pill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Apparently the firm is on contingency: https://twitter.com/MattShupePR/status/950518933953552385

[–]francisco_DANKonia 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure Mike Cernovich at least gave him advice.

[–]XxCool_UsernamexX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's just stop calling them women and start calling them what they really are. Insane feminazis and the cucks they whip. There isn't any justice in their actions and it's fucking ironic as hell.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

He's probably paying for it himself. The average software engineer at Google makes $130,000/year. According to the lawsuit, he received 20% of that 8 different times as pay bonuses, and received bonuses in stock worth $150,000 a year. That's before being promoted to Senior Software Engineer which makes roughly $160,000/year.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Wow, from what I read here: https://i.imgur.com/61aluxY.png

and in the full lawsuit: https://pl.scribd.com/document/368692388/James-Damore-Lawsuit

They basically mobbed James Damore with the result of firing him and it was under the guidance of some formal committe.

This is an article about "The 5 stages of workplace mobbing":

https://pwviolence.wordpress.com/243-2/

Stage 3: The Critical Incident

Stage 1: Social Exclusion

Stage 2: Harassment and Stigmatization

Stage 4: Adjudication

Stage 5: Elimination

In his case the stage 3 "critical incident" was the reason for his mobbing.

As someone who was mobbed at work a few years ago I have to say that at some point you become physically sick when coming to work and it stays with you for years to some degree like ptsd.

This company is fucking nasty for white men, wouldn't want to work there for any kind of money and perks.

I am sure that there are more men like him, since they did it so blatantly. I hope to see them losing this lawsuit and getting what they deserve.

edit:

Well I have just went through some of the lawsuit and on page 14 there is a picture which could be interpreted only as a "shitlib face": https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/the-shitlib-face/ white-knighting for women at google, with 16 likes...

I think that this happened because the document was leaked to a more-open group in google where there were a bunch of oversensitive women and thirsty cucks, creating a cuckball effect of mobbing.

EDIT EDIT:

I just read some more and boy are there some anti white / cis / blabla/ male serving white nights out there... Openly threatening and concern-trolling themselves and other white men.

Their message boards look like high-school facebook posts. Ridiculous.

I am happy that James Damore fired back, it's the right man in the right place and time if there ever was one in this PC madness.

I wonder what their arguments will be in court, "But but but... Aids skrillex and Carl the cuck told us that a fucking white male can't be discriminated against!!!1".

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Hope he takes them for millions.

Google is the enemy full stop. I'm convinced they are just state intelligence masquerading as private industry a-la Facebook or media.

Others are saying he was stupid to bring this fight, "think what you like, but behave as others." 99 times out of 100 this is true. But bending over and getting fucked in the ass is not a viable long term solution. At some point you have to face the enemy head on.

In this case it seems he performed his due diligence and collected vast amounts of evidence before mounting his attack. Brilliant. Brave. Bold. He may turn out to be an Assange lite.

What I find disgusting is how blatant their racism is a Google. Like the common liberal their stupidity is only exceeded by their self righteousness. I don't know how he tolerated that toxic environment for more than a month.

The racism is so blatant that they freely send memos discussing how to exclude "cheesy white males" and act as if it's some noble act. Another fuckwad blue pill white knight faggot Alex Hidalgo sent him an email telling him to "fuck off". I'm sure Google reprimanded all involved. These people are absolutely disgusting.

Stolen from another redditor here are some highlights:

"There are certain alternative views, including different political views, which I do not want people to share here. My tolerance ends at my friends' terror. You can believe that women or minorities are unqualified all your like--I can't stop you--but if you say it out loud, then you deserve what's coming to you. Yes, this is 'silencing.' I intend to silence these views; they are violently offensive... I'm fine with conservatives, butt hey must actually have human souls."

"Will the author ever be promoted again? If the author is promoted, we send a clear signal their their work output--the work output of a single engineer--is worth more than the irreparable harm their document has caused to 1000s of Googlers. If the author is promoted, we grant him more power and influence to harm Googlers that don't fit his bigoted worldview...There is no reason for the author to remain here and only damage can come of it."

"God, please let our inevitable public statement be less toothless than that internal mail. We need to say 'Wow, that was some bullshit right there. We've fired that guy into the sun and updated our code of conduct to say not to do anything that looks even a bit like that, ever. Also, we're looking at how we can change our interview process to notice toxic opinions like that, because seriously, wtf, where did that come from?"

"So, let me be straight. These are shitty opinions. I say this with all my hats on; ally, director, manager, human. They are the antithesis of what we're trying to do at Google; they are intellectually lazy, biased, and unkind. They have no place here...Leave it at home. IF you're not prepared to live it at home, then leave yourself there."

"Google HR--don't be mean to actual Nazis they are valued coworkers. Me:: They're Nazis. No. I will absolutely go out of my way to make sure I never work near anyone involved with or who endorsed that garbage. Because Nazis. And you should absolutely punch Nazis."

"From now on, I'm going to devote at least the fired third of my 45 minute interview time to a discussion of experience with diversity. If the first fifteen minutes doesn't satisfy me, I'll continue the discussion. If need be, it will take the entire forty-five minutes. I would encourage others to do the same."

"While Google appears to be doing very little to quell the hostile voices that exist inside the company, I want those hostile voices to know: I will never, ever hire/transfer you onto my team. Ever. I don't care if you are a perfect fit, or technically excellent or whatever. I will not actively work with you, even to the point where your team or product is impacted by this decision. I'll communicate why to your manager if it comes up. You're being blacklisted by people at companies outside of Google. You might not have been aware of this, but people know, people talk. There are always social consequences."

"One of the great things about Google's internal communication mechanisms (G+, mailing lists, etc), is that, as a manager, I can easily go find out if I really want to work with you... I keep a written blacklist of people whom I will never allow on or near my team, based on how they view and treat their coworkers. That blacklist got a little longer today."

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

After reading these quotes, I now feel these people and this company are my personal enemies.

[–]internet_badass_here 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm seriously concerned now that the organization composed of these people has access to my search history since childhood.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Precisely.

Let this serve as a wake up call.

That organization if full of toxic SJWs in charge of nearly all of your life's history.

[–][deleted] 175 points176 points  (37 children)

I hate the fact that it seems you have to be a conservative to oppose the SJW shit now. I'm not conservative by any means. I support things like legalisation of drugs and people getting married to their dogs or really whatever they want to do. But I find myself completely alienated by other "liberal" people because I support real equality and not feminism. I'm also not right wing. I think right wing politics are absurd and that a good economy should be somewhere left of centre. But again, completely alienated. The funny thing is that I earn enough money to benefit from conservative governments, so I'm starting to think I should just vote for them and fuck the women and cucks that support feminism.

[–][deleted] 141 points142 points  (7 children)

I feel pushed to the right just because I'm a straight white male in his 40's.

Fuck it. If it's a Shitlord you want, it's a Shitlord you'll get. This is a lot of fun.

[–]RPangerandacceptance 46 points47 points  (4 children)

That’s exactly me, 40 something centrist push right by lunacy.

[–]markdumte 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I still call myself lefty. It bothers them more that you claim they are not the real left, just a spawn of post modernism, than anything else. And I love to disturb their smug beings.

There was a video of a white male leftist discussing with a bunch of SJW in a panel. The leftists came from a very modest family, had no college degree, was dressed simple, had lost a lot if hair already in his 30's... you get the idea. The SJW were in their 20's, college kids and all very dress up with an edgy touch. He rip them apart.

At one point he explained how a feminist who wrote for The Guardian was offended by an speech he made and wrote an article criticising and accusing him of abusing his privilege over her. He explained it turns out she was the daughter of a supermarket chain owner he worked for as a young man. So, he laid out, the daughter of a very rich man, who was riding ponies while he was working minimum wage at one of his father supermarkets, was the one without privilege and oppressed by him. He then pointed out how absurd and anti-left that whole way if thinking was.

The faces of the SJW were delicious. It looked like they just wanted to banish and be somewhere else.

[–]dza76wutang 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think it's sort of like how outliers can mess up an arithmetic mean.

Bill Gates + 100 random people makes the room's average net worth millions.

The most extreme left is moving further left faster than the most extreme right are moving right, which creates the sensation of the distribution shifting left.

This is how I reconciled my own perception of shifting right despite not really changing any political views in 8 years or so.

[–]PaulAJK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I used to laugh at right wingers who ranted about SJWs, now I feel like they had a point all along. On the other hand, mind you, building muscle is connected to holding more rightish views, so we ought to bear control for that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same. Oh you want to kill/fire/demonize all white men? Guess what you just made an enemy.

[–]KnowBrainer 28 points29 points  (4 children)

They have to categorize your views into one party or the other in order to manipulate the vote.

You voted blue? You must like killing babies. You voted red? Must be racist.

Then they can flood the news with the right combination of hot-button issues to get the voting results they want.

There's a reason the oldest constitution for a country in the world is only 400 years, while there have been humans for 200,000. The oppressive regime always falls. Always. Then they rebuild elsewhere.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Divide & Conquer. It's how it works. The establishment uses meaningless wedge issues like abortion or gay marriage or racial tension to divide us against each other instead of coming together to focus our anger on the real enemy, the political establishment and ruling elite. Not just that, but the meaningless wedge issues make it appear that there is a difference between the two parties(hint: there isn't). There is just a Republican Wing and Democrat Wing of the Washington D.C. Elite Establishment Uniparty.

[–]KnowBrainer 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is why the Torah is a story about a guy named Moses who got sick of being a slave to his country and left to make his home elsewhere.

And the Bible is about Jesus who disagreed with his rulers and instead of being allowed to cause a revolution, was killed.

The Quran, Bible, and Torah all contain a framework for nation-building. We'll probably never figure out a stable and fair government.

[–]BreadcrumbBernard 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Humans are not 100% fair or stable, therefore we will never create a system that is stable & fair for a long period of time. What we have now is the best we’ve got but that’s gone by the wayside already

[–]KnowBrainer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was hoping not to be inside the empire that fell during my lifetime, and was really excited in 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved, feeling I'd dodged a bullet. Nope.

[–]BrownGummyBear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm also in your shoes, I've come to the conclusion I'll either stay neutral and not vote again or vote conservative to combat all of this alt left nut jobs. Once the shitshow is over I'll gladly vote liberal again (something tells me this won't happen in a while)

[–]Fyrjefe 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Well, anyone right of the far lefters are "conservative" by some means. They go around calling people left-of-centre alt-right.

[–]Squez360 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The alt-right are the only ones calling themselves alt-right. Most people just acknowledge them

[–]JackGetsIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

heir dogs or really whatever they want to do. But I find myself completely alienated by other "liberal" people because I support real equality and not feminism.

I'm in this exact same position. Not really a conservative but disgusted by a lot of leftist positions especially free speech attacks and PC culture.

I'd like to see a renewal of libertarianism. It's had some issues with tone death ideologues in the past but recently guys like Austin Peterson, Dave Smith, Colin Moriarty has renewed my faith. I also like Michael Malice and even Ben Shapiro has taken some libertarian positions.

Unfortunately third parties are a joke because of the two party cartel system we have in the states.

[–]BenY89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You sound more libertarian than anything my man.

[–]redd_reality 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Most people who consider themselves liberals today, don't even know what liberalism is.

They're actually cultural Marxists masquerading as progressives, who call themselves liberals.

Conservatism today is simply the brake that needs to be applied in order to ensure society doesn't utterly implode under this Marxist influence.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is the hilarious truth. Liberal humanism is so different than what these cultural marxists claim to be.

[–]Achillesreincarnated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im left when it comes to taxes etc, economy overall but feminists pushed me out of the left. The left is ridicolous now.

I remember before the Trump/Hillary election. On Swedish tv they had a woman talking about it and she claimed Hillary should be elected because she is a woman and it was time for that. Nobody could say anything against it because thats right and right is evil

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're never going to agree 100% with every single policy on each side. There will always be some segment of whatever group you associate with that's less than ideal. Politics isn't a game of getting everything you want at all times; it's a game of choosing between half of what you want or nothing.

There are dumb outliers in both parties, but only one party is sane and responsible. Be a voice of reason against the stupid element in that party.

[–]RedDeadlift 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m right there with you bro. Spot on.

[–]TheWaterTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, definitely vote for candidates who support smaller government. Big government is how we got into this mess.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Tell me again as a straight while male how awesome diversity is.

[–]TheseNthose 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I think you're missing the point.

Diversity is a good thing. Damore even made the point that diversity of opinions and experience matter. He got shunned for it. So did some exec i think for Apple got canned because she said 12 white men in a room can be diverse because of their experience and opinions.

Dumb people think diversity is only a matter of one's skin color or sex.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Diversity is not a good thing. We have been successful in spite of diversity, not because of it. Having a common culture and values is the best thing for any country, company, or other organization.

[–]TheseNthose -1 points0 points  (3 children)

so if you have a more efficient idea than i or what the mainstream has we should all discard your idea because you have feelings that diversity is not a good thing?

Hate to tell you but western culture as we know is a culmination of successful ideas from all cultures throughout history. The most obvious example is Democracy and a representative government system used by Greeks and the Romans.

So your ignorant idea of "we have been successful in spite of diversity" couldn't be anymore false. You are obviously viewing diversity as a thing only regulated to skin color or sex and not ideas and practice. If you honestly believe that, why are you even on this subreddit or reddit at all?

You came here to share ideas and learn from people with a diverse background, diverse experiences and a diversity of practice in order to expand your knowledge base and perhaps give you better and more efficient tools to operate your life.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Ok so you are using diversity to mean diversity of thought. This is obviously a good thing. I just haven't been shown any evidence though that to achieve diversity of thought it is necessary to have a racially or gender diverse group. We can see this from the university, which is about as diverse as it gets and yet is a monolith of group think. Same with many large corporations. What is needed for diversity of thought within an organization is to have good management/leadership and to recruit good people.

The proponents of diversity can't even agree on why we need it. They go back and forth between arguing that it will help your company's bottom line to be diverse because of all those amazing ideas that everyone will constantly be coming up with, and that it is necessary to help all the people that have been disadvantaged because of white males. I've already rejected the first notion, and I vigorously reject the second notion as well, although I am happy that people make this argument because it allows us to see what the call for diversity is: it is a crusade to discriminate against white males. Now we've come to the heart of it, haven't we. The push for diversity is a power grab. That's it. Minorities and women sense weakness and they are using the political process to grab more jobs and university slots for themselves, whether they deserve them on merit on not. Humans are of course capable of great cognitive dissonance, so they convince themselves that the first argument is true, or that there must be some great discriminatory force pervading the ether that is holding them back, and affirmative action is necessary to counter it. Never in a million never years will you convince me otherwise.

People of every civilization throughout history have valued their unity and cultural similarities and recognized them as a source of great strength and I see no difference today. There are a myriad of reasons that actually make sense as to why cultural homogeneity is desirable, as opposed to the ephemeral and ridiculous ideas that back the diversity push. I support low to moderate immigration from high skilled individuals. I support cultural assimilation through mandatory use of English in schools. I support everyone being treated equally before the law regardless of race. I guess that is a radical position in 2018.

[–]TheseNthose 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok so you are using diversity to mean diversity of thought.

that's what i said in my original post that you replied with "diversity is not a good thing."

Should i bother to read the rest of what you just wrote?

[–]maplemaximus 23 points24 points  (1 child)

To be honest, this all will blow up in their face as more people join these ethno-nationalist movements and just end up proving their accusations correct.

I stand by the belief that all of this is a divide and conquer conspiracy but eh.

[–]ConsumingImpulse 47 points48 points  (5 children)

Excellent. Few things would give me greater satisfaction that seeing the entire Silicon Valley cuckfest get sued into oblivion. Google can go fuck itself and take its shite, memory hogging browser with it. Brave pisses all over it.

For those not familiar, Brave is the browser designed by the guy who was kicked out of his position as CEO at Mozilla for not publicly supporting gay marriage. I find it far superior to both Chrome and Firefox and recommend it to all RP readers.

[–]meaningintragedy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He didn't "not publicly support gay marriage", he has donated to an anti gay marriage cause (or association, or whatever).

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good for him. He should've stood his ground though.

[–]Atavisionary 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Chromium is open source and brave is based on it.....

Also, try adnauseam to block ads. Its the best ad blocker right now.

[–]Mrbumby 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Adnausseam is Great and so great, that Chrome wants you to remove it every time you open the browser

[–]Johnnyvile 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry but I’m over here using Safari.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was going to post this. Pay attention closely. Ignore the trail, because this one is going to be appealed all the way to the supreme. The outcome of this would establish a powerful precedent.

[–]BertranThePharmacist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Isn't it the well-known natural selection for companies which intentionally hire SJW/feminists/other shit diversities over skills and talents? They are simply rotting from inside and while being "societies on steroids" they give us bright examples of what will happen soon.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Google is insane. White males built the entire IT industry.

[–]internet_badass_here 10 points11 points  (5 children)

White males created Google.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Since when Larry Page is white?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

White males built modern civilization but anybody can be a programmer.

[–]-Wojo- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure he might be remembering Eric Schmidt

[–]internet_badass_here 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Huh?? Both Larry Page and Sergey Brin are white.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good for him. This needs to be done.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I kinda wanna encourage Damore, despite not knowing who he is. The reason is that white males are hella disciminated against and even straight up persecuted in today's excessively liberal society. Those who are truly for equality know this and likely share my sentiment. The only way to human progress is to let go of all this racial bullshit and start focusing on what acually matters in life and for the welfare of the people as a whole. We're not moving forward if were blinded by the past and a toxic victim mentality.

I'm saying this as a young guy who grew up as a poor ass Hispanic btw.

[–]SequenceKiller 2 points3 points  (1 child)

These sjw cucks are finally getting a taste of their own medicine

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who is getting a taste? If google loses in court it won’t change shit for these crazy Google employees. You think Larry and Sergei care? They’re stupid rich. They’re probably just as red pilled as anyone here. They probably tolerate this bullshit because who cares.

[–]Jonlife 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Google is about to learn a very valuable lesson: Never pander to women (sjws)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hope he doesn't take whatever gigantic settlement he is offered.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How the fuck does this even belong to this sub? Where the fuck is sexual strategy? Also, why are we even having soft corner for conservatives?

[–]canadianmooserancher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Conservative religious idiots helped pave the way for male misunderstanding of sexuality. Redpill should fucking be a place to clean that rusty crap from our collective minds

[–]TFWyourWaifuDies 3 points4 points  (7 children)

And so the white uprising begins. The fire rises.

Ethnonationalism is the future.

[–]Aeronautix 1 points1 points [recovered]

The real problem is that America is the melting pot, but we stopped stirring.

We have a polazired culture because the mixing stopped. Blend everyone together

[–]TFWyourWaifuDies 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The melting pot fundamentally doesn't work. It defies our human nature.

People naturally self-segregate. Forced diversity leads to poor social cohesion.

America doesn't work BECAUSE it is a "melting pot."

Blend everyone together

Sounds like the Kalergi plan. When people say this stuff, this is why white people become racist.

White people just want to be respected in their own homelands. Whites have left their former colonies to freely govern themselves, but yet whites themselves now don't have that freedom.

You are effectively saying that we must force the replacement of the white race in their own homelands. Africa doesn't have forced diversity. Asia doesn't have forced diversity. Israel doesn't have forced diversity. Only white countries have forced diversity. We never voted for this. Our politicians forced this on us.

[–]Aeronautix 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm talking about generations from now when we all have the same skin color. Obviously will never happen on a global scale, I'm talking about the US.

There's nothing inherently valuable about being white. So why's it matter if we're all a light brown

[–]TFWyourWaifuDies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There's nothing inherently valuable about being white.

Wow. Imagine saying this about any other race. Just wow.

Obviously will never happen on a global scale, I'm talking about the US.

Not just the US. It's in Canada, Europe and Australia. You are effectively saying that these white countries should stop being white.

Wow. Imagine people saying that Israel should stop being Jewish (Jews are a race, not a religion). Imagine people saying that Africa needs to stop being black. Imagine people saying Asia should stop being Asian.

But no. Only the white man is the target of this racial replacement. Everyone else get's to keep their homeland, but not the white man.

This is why war is coming. Because people like you want to replace the white man from his own own homelands. His ancestors settles and developed these lands so the future white generations could prosper, but now we have people who want to invade and replace the white man.

[–]BELIEVEINGODJohn812 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oil and water is the future.

What race are Indians in India?

What race are people in the Middle East?

Ever had a DNA test done.. oh wait, that's a conspiracy rigged to make us all.... bbbrrrooowwwnnn.!

The world is gonna stop spinning guys, we're all tan or bbbrrooowwwnnn.

[–]TFWyourWaifuDies 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Did I say white nationalism?

Did I say white supremacy?

No, I said ethnonationalism.

[–]Achillesreincarnated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isnt it ironic that feminism has become the thing that is the most dangerous towards democracy - A group that effectively silences the ”wrong” opinions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If there is one thing to be learned, it's to keep your mouth shut if you have conservative views and work in a city like San Fran, Chicago, NYC, etc.

[–]canadianmooserancher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. I'd fire an idiot too. This guy needs to take a seat

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck, you're at the bottom of the intersectional hierarchy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I hope he wins, but I feel that he will not because neither conservatives nor white men are a "protected class," which shows the absurdity of the entire concept in the first place.

[–]DaHipsterDoofus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Race is a protected class and in Cali political affiliations are too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Google are simply trying to make thier business/company attractive by pandering to these sorts of causes. Way to overthink it. Since when the fuck is the ethnic composition if a workforce indicative of anything anyway? People are hired based on their ability to do the job. All the other shit is irrelevant. I wish people would quit viewing businesses as some demi-god of social justice that seek to counter "the narrative" of a white male stereotype. It's just a workplace not a fucking political belief system or institution that seeks to represent anything. Obsession over representation gives me the shits

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

People are hired to meet ratios as well.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

which is inane... the person should be hired on their ability to do that job

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

not to mention the fact it is also HR on steroids...

[–]ConsumingImpulse 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Welcome to the brave new world of post-feminist corporate

[–]francisco_DANKonia -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

His "manifesto" wasn't that great, but he sure can capitalize on this attention.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

LMAO this dude look like an elf😂😂

[–]swordshab -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

That guy would still have a job if he followed Law: Think as you like, Behave as others

[–]TFWyourWaifuDies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The slave mentality. All it does is allow more and more oppression, while you keep your mouth shut like a good boy. The reason why we are in this shithole is because men stood by and kept their mouths shut for 70 years.

Someone has to speak out. Yes, they will lose initially. But slowly, the fire rises. Slowly, more and more speak out, and it gets to the point where you can't fire them all.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Terrible example for every day life. Awesome to watch the chaos ensue though.

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